 If you have a TikTok account then odds are you've stumbled across at least one of Walter Masterson's videos. He has more than one million followers on TikTok and for good reason. He's gone viral for trolling right-wingers at anti-vax rallies, Trump rallies, and even right-wing politicians as well, including Matt Gaetz, Marjorie Green, and Rudy Giuliani. And he's here with us today to break down some of his more interesting interactions. Walter Masterson, welcome to the channel. Thank you so much for coming on. I know that you're in Canada right now. Is that correct? Well, I just got back from Ottawa and it was wild there. I was going to ask you about that. So I wanted to give everyone just a little bit of a taste of what you've been doing down there. So of course, you visited the Canadian Trucker Convoy. They are calling it the Freedom Convoy. And so to give people some context, so I don't know how you do this, but you over the summer, you've got a woman, an expert, a self-proclaimed vaccine expert to speak into a corn dog, and you managed to successfully recapture the magic again with the Tim Hortons Cup. Before we get to Canada, I have to show people this original video of the corn dog. It says everything. People are remarking on Twitter that it is art, and I think that this is a form of high art. Yeah. I feel like the fact that you didn't get the medal of freedom from President Biden after this is outrageous. And people are going to see what we're talking about. If you haven't seen this, then I don't know what to say. Like you're a bad person if you haven't already seen this, but you're welcome because we're showing it to you. You're canceled. You're racist for having not seen it. Thank you. Thank you. And they say, you know, that cancel culture. Lefties are saying cancel culture is dead. We're bringing it back. OK, here's the video. I swear to God, this is my favorite video of 2021. So here it is. Talk to me about vaccine mandates. So I'm against mandating vaccines. They're saying that the spike protein, the only antigen is the spike protein in the, what's it called, in the Pfizer vaccine. Yeah, so talk about that. That switch is so subtle. Yeah, you don't know what's in it. I work as a pharmacy technician for 21 years. So I kind of know my stuff. Pharmacy, pharmacy, pharmacy, a Pazza right there. So I don't know how you kept a straight face. But when you were looking into the camera, it was evident that you were trying so hard to not lose it. Tell us about that moment and how you came up with that idea. So my writing partner, producing partner, Max, Max Amillion Clark, he's in a lot of these videos with me. He and I do these things and he had the idea. He's like, have them talk into a corn dog. And then we sort of like rift on it from there. And we thought, there's other later videos where we like, you know, like with the one with the trucker rally, it was like, we want to like be referencing the thing that they're talking into. Cause we started with the corn dog. And then we went to this anti-vax rally in Michigan with a corn on the cob and had them speak into the corn. And what's crazy is that we introduced, we came to this anti-vax rally, waving around this corn on the cob. And we go, we brought corn for the sheep, those vaccinated sheep, you know, get it cause sheep eat corn. Sheep don't eat corn. And they were like, oh, of course, because sheep eat corn. And we were like, in our heads, we're like, that's not even like, we just, duh. So we were just like, here's, talk to this corn on the cob, talk to this thing. And, you know, like we, we, we got busted for it enough times where we got sort of little savvy at, you know, making it work. And, you know, just making it be like, oh, what's this, oh, silly me. And the woman from that video actually contacted me multiple times, so upset. And at the same time, I'm like, you know, you went in front of a camera with a microphone and spread like nasty anti-vax disinformation. Like, do you realize like the dumb stuff that you were saying? When I posted it, the comments blew up. They're like, pharmacy technician, that's, it's like three months of night school. Like, this is not, you're not a doctor. Like, and she's like, you know, I'm a pharmacy technician. So I know a thing or two about a thing or two. We're like, oh, and that's sort of like the people that you keep meeting. And you're like, you're not like if maybe they are, but they're like sort of peripheral in the anti-vax movement. Someone's like a radiologist. And we go, well, I mean, I'm sure you're great, it's a radiologist. And I've had like a radiologist tell me, like, listen, during quarantine, you know, my radiology thing wasn't that busy. So this COVID thing's not real. And I'm like, like, why are you telling people this? That's like patently, like, yeah. People dying of COVID didn't need an MRI. Like, oh my God, like, okay, wow, you cracked the case. Oh my God. Deep state is, you know, sorry. They're behind it. Okay, the whole story behind that actually makes it funnier because clearly somebody who's an expert, a self-proclaimed expert, would be savvy enough to recognize the fact that she was speaking into a corn dog. I just, that just, I'm glad you told me that because that adds to it. So we have to now go to the trucker convoy because you did that again. Let's do this. With a Tim Horton cup. This is now on your TikTok. I hope that you can give us some more details about this. I love this. And really keep in mind, viewers, as you know, they're talking more and more deeper into the Tim Horton's cup. You know, the volume just fades. And it's just, it's so funny. So without further ado, here is the latest, greatest hit. Stand up for our freedoms. Show the government that freedom matters. We're not just gonna give in to tyranny. We see what they're doing. We see what our eyes are open. It's pretty obvious what they're doing. I think everyone can see it. You guys need to fight for your freedom because there is an underlining agenda that's going on. I don't know how much you know. I'm not gonna get into that. They do this right in front of us. Yeah, absolutely. And they think that we can't see what's going on. Like right in front of us. And like, like we're stupid. Probably part of it is we were all very complacent. We're awake now. Our eyes are open. Our eyes are open and we're cool. Okay, you gave them, I have to pause there for a second. You gave them so many opportunities. And it just went right over there. Oh, and the best part is like, so there's an activist that was there with me showing me around the whole trucker camp thing and showing me how to navigate this wonderful activist Karima. And she's been fantastic. She's been there since the beginning and she's watching me do this. And she's like, how are they not seeing this? They're like speaking into the Tim Hortons Cup. They're speaking to Tim Hortons Cup. They're agreeing to communism as a way to stop socialism and everything. So it's like, and she's like, how is this like apparent to like no one but me? Like she's there trying not to crash up and everything. You know what it is? I think that not only have you gotten so good at trolling, you keep a straight face, but you larp so well as a conservative. You've got the freedom gear on. You often will bring like MAGA hats. You'll wear the like the camouflage. So they don't suspect it. They just think, okay, you're one of my people. Let me just do word vomit and tell you all of my insane beliefs, not even trying to suss out whether or not you're there to troll them. And I feel like some of the times like you're subtle but you give them enough to where somebody can maybe see the red flags there, but they never end up, they never end up getting it. And so- I've also tested the boundaries. Right. Because there's, they have the cognitively like that dissonance starts to kick in at a certain point. I remember at Capitol Hill on January 6th trying to make up stuff, make up fake quotes about Ted Cruz. People were like, nope, he never said that. I swear to God, people went from like spouting nonsense. They believed just, you know, in Jewish space lasers, all that stuff, elections, stolen with it. And I'm like, you hear the Ted Cruz to this? They're like, nope, no, he didn't. Like flat out like, nope. And I'm like, and it's weird like you to sort of pinball against sort of their limitations of where they're just like, nope, no, it isn't. And so they just come right back down to earth on some things. So it's, it is funny to witness that you're like, okay, so you are, you're not an idiot. Like you, well, you are an idiot, but you, There's some vetting process there. It's just not necessarily perfect. You know, I actually just want to just caveat everything. So when I've done this, there's a lot of stuff that winds up on the cutting room floor because halfway through the interview, we realized this person, you know, might be neurodivergent, neurotypical, disability, something that I'm like, nope, no, no, no, no, this is not fair game. Like everyone we've done this to is, you know, above the, you know, the line for, you know, IQ, where it's like, no, they're, they're fair game. There have been people where I'm like, I can't do this. Like, you know, they've revealed that, you know, it's one person that an anti-vax rally was saying, you know, masks make him really anxious because, you know, he has autism. And I was like, okay, all right, I can't, I can't do this. Like, you know, like he's like, I can't read someone's face and I don't know this. And I was like, okay, I got, I can't do this. And that's fine. Well, that's because you're a good person. You know, it's like, the goal here isn't necessarily to dunk on people. I mean, to me, the way that I view your trolling is as it's just shining a light on how easily people are misinformed and how they'll believe almost anything and they don't properly vet anything. You know, the fact that you're, you know, you tell me that some of them will say, no, Ted Cruz didn't say that. That actually is so encouraging because it feels like a lot of folks get in this habit of just accepting everything. And my uncle, for example, is one of these people, you know, who is a COVID truth or doesn't believe it even exists as anti-vaxxer and his source is a Facebook meme. So it's really important that people see this. Like it's, it's trolling, but at the same time, I feel like it's trolling with a purpose. And also you're a good person. Like you're not trying to just needlessly shit on people. This is important because we need to see the way people think so that way as a society, we find ways to better educate people and ensure there's institutional failures as well. I think that, you know, government to a large extent, there's some responsibility when it comes to anti-vaxx sentiment, sure. But at the end of the day, we're all grown-ups and we have to have just the bare minimum of common sense. And you are here, thankfully, to at a minimum in an entertaining way, show us that, yeah, we have work to do as a society. And thankfully this is in Canada. So we, as Americans, you know, we don't even have to feel that bad about it. Well, I mean, so here's the thing. So this is what was kind of crazy. I was trying to explain to my Canadian friends that there's this running joke in the US where, you know, hey, like if the election goes south, we're all moving to Canada. The Canadians said, wait, that's a thing. Like y'all say that a lot. And I said, oh, no, all the time. It's everyone makes this joke. And they're like, what? You're going to come here to escape white supremacy? They're like, huh? Like, where? Where do you think you are? And after that, after this being at this trucker convoy, I don't think people understand what's happening at the trucker convoy. It's, it is the largest MAGA rally I have ever been to. Explain that because this is one thing that I don't think people understand. The city of Ottawa is now a MAGA rally. And we're seeing Confederate flags. The entire Nazi flags. Forget, forget all that. Forget all that. I mean, those people show up. One or two of them shows up. And those people, okay. So everyone, all the bad actors is dismissed by that group as, you know, infiltrators, Antifa, you know, they just, any bad behaviors. Like, well, that wasn't us, obviously. Of course. That was just Antifa. Yeah, of course. That's all of it. Just outright, outright. Nope. And they like to brag about how peaceful this is. Now the cops leave them alone. Okay. So what you don't understand. So there's all this, there is, it is kind of annoying to me. Like I see a lot of these liberal outlets, you know, saying like, oh, like, well, they towed these cars in Ottawa, they, they, you know, took down this part of the, you know, protest. And I'm like, no, no, no. A lot of it's the infrastructure is very much there. They have embedded themselves in Ottawa. And you have these truckers with massive rigs that have, they're not moving. And the law right now is when you're convoying, when it's three or more trucks, you know, convoying, that's when they can take legal action. They can arrest you, ticket you, heavy fines, all that. Right now they're idling and they get one ticket a week for $50 Canadian. The trucker, $50 once every week. That the cops just give them one ticket. I mean, and these are people that, and they're like, well, we're not blocking the inters, they're blocking, not the inters, they're blocking like entire streets. And they'll be like four massive rigs like, boop, boop, boop, boop, like just back to back. They're not going anywhere. And I remember like people are sort of making fun of me on Twitter. I was like, I don't really believe this news that things are getting pulled out. It's just there yesterday. I don't think any of that's happening. And they're like, you think they can't tow like a rig. And I'm like, yeah, you can tow a rig, but you can't tow four of them on each block in a very, and these are narrow streets. These aren't wide open areas. Like it gets a little, you know, and you're towing a rig that, you know, it's not a friendly, you know, situation and everything. So it's, it's disquieting. And, you know, it's a, you know, they say it's about vaccine mandates. It's MAGA. It's all MAGA. All of them are MAGA. All of them, you just talk to them, you know, they don't believe the election. They don't believe Joe Biden election. A lot of them get their views from, there's rebel news, which is the OAN of Canada. They know OAN, they know Newsmax to do this. So on its face, and on its face, it seems like really like jolly and, but that's because there's no opposition. They've taken over the city. I mean, if you wanted to go there and just talk shit and yell at these people, you can do that, but you will be doing that and be vastly, vastly outnumbered. It's also incredibly cold there. I don't know how anyone would have a fist fight. So if this were the summertime, I think there'd be a lot more fist fights because you'd have a lot of these Canadians getting drunk and definitely fighting. Cause, so I went there with a guy, Anthony Walker. You should follow him. He does what I do, but in Canada, so. Okay, interesting. Yeah, he was helping me navigate and he's Canadian and all that. So, and he was just saying that he's like, yeah, definitely. He's like, we don't, we drink here in Canada, obviously, but we drink a lot less in the winter because we're all very aware of like that you can just die. And it was incredibly cold. There was a blizzard going on while I'm giving these interviews. It was like negative degrees. Like after every interview, like I would be like, you know, like I was like, I'm about to get hypothermia right now. Oh my God. I couldn't. Just standing there with the microphone. I was like, I was like, I don't know how I'm getting these interviews. The weather is part of the resistance and counter protest to these trucker convoys, it seems. You know, it's interesting how you characterize this as basically an extension of MAGA. It feels like over this last couple of years during the pandemic, Americans have exported our stupidity. And it's not like anti-vax movements is something that's unique to the United States. It's occurring in Europe. It's occurring everywhere. But the way that Canadian hogs have essentially emulated the American tactics and you see the American garb there, Confederate flags don't tread on me flags. It's all really interesting. And the subtext with all of this is that, you know, these truckers, if they were indigenous protesters protesting a pipeline, they would be gone like that. We all know this. So there's absolutely that element there that's so important. And one other thing to keep in mind that a lot of people don't realize is that the overwhelming majority in truckers, of truckers in Canada, they don't agree. The biggest truckers union, they disagree. So this is a very small vocal minority. They said that. So I have an interview that I'm trying to edit that I'm going to upload. I've actually been sort of conflicted as to whether I should upload it because I'm a comedian and I'm not a journalist. And it kind of frustrates me sometimes that what I do winds up being journalism. And I'm just like, this is terrible that our country has reached this level where I'm a journalist. Cause I was like, I think that's just absurd. And one of the best journalists, honestly. I went into this guy's truck. He had been there since the beginning, got this whole ass interview with him. And now it's like, all right. And he told me, and he explained everything in terms of like how much gas they go through for idling every day cause they have to idle. And he explained how the cops are just doing nothing. Like it's for his words. Like the cops will do a show of force. A show of force. Just to, you know, but mostly they privately tell him, we're with it. We're on board, like. Interesting. There's even a video circulating Twitter right now showing like the cops lining up to shake their hand at the border and everything. And so it's, it's a lot. So yeah, I mean, I have this thing with this trucker. Yeah, where he's explaining just everything in terms of how much they're paying insurance, how much they get fined every week, how they're getting donations. Also, it's pretty weird that the people that are headed the heads of this, they got $8 million. And that has not necessarily trickled down to the truckers. Yeah. And it is, it is very interesting. And the cops are there. There's, you know, provincial. There's, you know, the version of federal and everything. And it's also here. This is the craziest part. I'm sorry if I'm mansplaining like anything here and if you already know this, whatever. But like, so I just learned this this weekend. So they, their constitution is different. They have a lot of very provincial rights. You know, they're talking about in the United States, states rights, state rights. So they have, so they're like this whole campaign, they have all this like, you know, fuck Trudeau things. It's like an F and then the, you know, with the Maple Leaf and then the CK and Trudeau. And that's everywhere, right? No, Trudeau, Trudeau. And this is, this is Trudeau's fault. But Trudeau actually cannot lift their provincial mandates. It is their conservative premier of their governor that has issued the mandate. Trudeau cannot override him. Interesting, I did not know this. Yeah. And I'm like, but that's, that's, it confirmed what I, what I walked in there thinking. I was like, I have a feeling this has nothing to do with vaccine mandates. This has everything to do with being a flash point for sort of MAGA hyper nationalist fascist stuff. And it's, I mean, it's a very effective way to get everyone together. It looks like it's, you know, this populist labor movement. I have not once, you know, you know, heard them, you know, talk about, you know, better working conditions for labor and all that stuff. Better wages, anything like that. And so, and to your, to your point, original point, you said, you know, that the unions have condemned this. And the trucker basically said, yeah, the unions condemned us because the unions are in bed with the Canadian government. And he's just like, and so it's just dismissed as like, well, you know, obviously they're, you know, embedded within this whole deep state thing that's going on. You know, they're just, you know, just, they're just as corrupt because they're only government payroll and blah, blah, blah. So. It's, so one thing that I understand is that this is very heavily astroturfed. And there's, there's a lot of right-wing funding, not just from Canada, but the United States as well. What is your sense on the ground? There are some MAGA adjacent pseudo-leftists, I guess you would call them on Twitter who are trying to use this as an opportunity to like, claim this is the working class rising up. And we have to be on favor. Like there's these anti-mandate leftists that you've seen on Twitter. This is not the first time I've met them. I mean, I've been going to tons of anti-vax rallies. You get all left people there, you know, and I so, and also you get, you know, they're Black Lives Matter activists that are anti-vax. Exactly, yeah. I listen, I mean, I'm a white person, you know, if you're a person of color, your experience with the government is always been different. So it's an easy sell. QAnon is a very easy sell to people of color. One of the things that sort of worried me is I feel like in a few years, we are going to have a very real serious conversation and as to how these conspiracy theories are radicalizing, you know, Black Indigenous people of color. Yeah, this is something that I've been trying to tackle on my program for a while now. Ever since January 6th, I mean, I don't know anyone who's directly QAnon. I have a lot of conspiracy theorists that are like, I don't want to admit to being QAnon because they're just like, oh, you know, I'm not QAnon, I'm not, you know, there's no one. I mean, there are people that definitely copped to that. I've interviewed that we're like, okay, no, they're, they're on it. They, you know, they're like, they embrace it. It's, and the, you hear all the talking points, you hear all the sort of code and dog whistles and stuff like that, where you're just like, no, no, no, you're QAnon, you know, like this is the code that you're talking in right now, you know. That's interesting. Yeah, I don't know what it is specifically that makes people so susceptible to radicalization. I'm sure it's economic issues. I'm sure to an extent they just are predisposed to accept conspiracy theories, but I feel like there's a lot of really important insight that you pick up at these rallies by actually speaking to them, because, you know, to a lot of people who just know that QAnon exists and it's this crazy thing, maybe it seems a little bit elusive, but you kind of like break all of that down, push it all away and you just talk to them. And, you know, I think that that to me anyways, is very startling to see that people are so susceptible to misinformation and they have such bizarre conspiratorial ideas. I want to get to another video here, because you, and see, this is where I was talking about earlier about how common sense is so important because, you know, at one Ohio rally, I think this was the Trump rally from last year, you were speaking to somebody who absolutely was adamant about giving Donald Trump credit for the vaccines, but yet you asked him a very important question towards the end. Oh, that's the easiest question. I love this. I do this one all the time. Yeah, so let's watch this. And then I want you to break this down because this one is so fascinating. Don't give Trump the credit for getting the vaccine out there and rushing it through the market, getting it in there and just like greasing the skids, right? Correct. Are you getting vaccinated? No. I have asthma, I'm at risk. Same breath. With that being said, it's my body, it's my choice. It's your body, your choice. But with that being said, my constitutional freedoms don't end where your political beliefs start, period. And end of story. What are you going to do about this whole abortion thing? It needs to be abolished. Abortion needs to be abolished? Yes. How often do you see that? All the time. Oh, no, all the time. Because at first when I tried it, I said, I was like, let me space this out, right? Just so it's not that obvious as to where I'm going. And then I just started doing this again and again. And I was like, I don't have to space anything out. And I thought, well, wouldn't it be impressive if I got them to say this in the same breath? They just got finished telling me about how Donald Trump is a businessman, and he really jumped those bureaucratic hurdles. I'm like, are you vaccinated? Nope. And then they're like, it was a bit too rushed. Yeah, it was a bit too rushed. There's no lag. I don't have to space out these questions. They're rapid fire. They're just like, yep. And straight face, too. And then to me, they'll tell. And then they'll go right into this an experimental vaccine. It doesn't have FDA approval. I mean, this is just a thing. And it doesn't matter that Trump said he was vaccinated. None of that makes a single bit of difference. They don't even like him any less for saying it. I've been at so many events where he's spoken, said he was vaccinated, and they booed him. I honestly think that he was even just saying that just so he had cover. There's a lot of these politicians that have been like, you know, maybe some of you should get vaccinated. And everyone's like, boo. And they're like, maybe the election wasn't rigged. And they say it like once or something so that they have cover so that they can refer back to it later and go, you know, I actually did tell people to get vaccinated. I know I did literal endorsements for ivermectin, but there was that one time where I did say, and people booed me, you know, I'm not afraid to say what's unpopular and stuff. So I'm just like, eh, you know. Yeah, it is OK. So here's a question that I have two questions about these types of rallies, because you go to a lot of QAnon, anti-vax rallies, Trump rallies. First and foremost, how many times have they given you COVID? Because none of them are wearing masks. Once. Once. OK. QAnon rally, Max, Maximilian Clark and I both got COVID. It was it was the disaster. And, you know, I mean, you know, we were sick. We were fine. His wife, you know, had to go to the ER. I mean, so, you know, these in that, you know, that's the frightening thing is like, you know, people are like, I got COVID. I was fine. I was like, yeah, well, you know, my friend got it. And his wife, he was fine. But his wife had to go to the ER. I mean, you know, so down the line, someone's, you know, going to get hit really hard. You know, yeah, you could, you know, 20 people got it. Yeah, we're fine. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I definitely 100 percent got it from this goddamn QAnon rally. God, that's one thing that I've always wondered. Another thing that I've wondered is how close has anyone come in your view, just based on like you filling them out to actually being violent? There was one video in particular. You were in LA at an LA anti-vax rally. And we were watching this on my Twitch stream. And everyone in the comments, myself included, we were actually fearful for your physical safety as some of these people really approached you. Well, they do this thing where they, Andy, no, the proud boy asshole, he shares these videos and it shows Antifa being violent, right? And they're heavily edited, right? So you look at, so what they do is this, they've got it down. So they sort of agitate you to the point where you react, right? They'll sort of get in your face. They'll stick a megaphone in your face. And then the second you push the megaphone out of the way, then they have that part on tape of you just going like, get up! And then it escalates into a fight. Everyone jumps in. So they, at that rally, at that little anti-vax thing, people were agitating, but it wasn't really going anywhere. It wasn't, nothing was happening as a result of it. Because I mean, my hands are by my sides. I'm not jumping in anyone's face. I mean, this isn't the first time someone has, you know, tried to harass me and agitate me. So like, I'm sort of like, and I go into that with the mindset of, you know what, I really don't need videos circulating of me where I'm being violent because at the very worst, these people might know who I am, see me coming and going, or this guy, we hate him, but there's never, like, there's no violence. There's never me being violent. I mean, they definitely are within their rights to not like me and everything. But yeah, there's been, I mean, there has been a few times where I'm just like, all right, this is getting a little dodgy. Yeah, where you kind of see like the cues where they're puffing up their chest and the way that one guy in particular, the way he approached you kind of from behind, from the LA anti-vax rally, I was thinking, oh no, I think when I was streaming, I'm like, Walter, get out of there. No, this dude is so, let's get out of there. Just because, you know, you never know with some of these people, I think a lot of them are just trying to fight. Like part of it has got to be like, them finding a group to socialize with, of like-minded individuals. Other people I feel like want to blow off steam. And so it's those people who you really want to look out for. I do want to get to one more video that I have, which is one of my favorites. I feel like this is a classic of yours. And then I have another question followed by this video because this is something that I've been wanting to ask you ever since I found your video. So let's go ahead and watch this. Think about George Soros and Nancy Pelosi designing the banking system for Animal Crossing. It's ridiculous, it should be done. Exactly, thank you. What do you think about Nancy Pelosi and George Soros? How they created the banking system in Animal Crossing? Well, there's comebacks. Quite clearly, there's comebacks, 100% absolutely. What do you think about the story that Nancy Pelosi and George Soros designed the banking system in Animal Crossing? I would absolutely believe it. They've all been behind it, man. Animal Crossing needs to be liberated. I'm telling you, liberate Animal Crossing. Liberate Animal Crossing, man! I love that so much. She was totally it on it. I like playing around with, so my whole thing is like, these people get so angry when you say one thing that they don't hear what's coming next. So when you say George Soros, Nancy Pelosi, they don't listen to anything that's coming next. So what do you think about how George Soros and Nancy Pelosi did X? They're just gonna be like, that's awful, right? And so I was like just playing around with this of like, what do you think about them being, Nancy Pelosi being responsible for the Friends Network reboot, the Friends Netflix reboot, still like that. And just sort of playing around. And that's sort of the thing of like, you say one thing, they don't listen to anything in the sentence, they just react. One of my favorite questions is like, oh, what do you think about the Democrats' plan to have the government take over Medicare? Democrats, government and take over, and just get to Medicare. And they're just like, God damn it. And it works every, and I wind up using these jokes again and again, just so people see that this is not isolated. Like I can say that to a hundred other Trump supporters and their reaction is going to be very similar where it's like, oh, they did what? You know, like even if they know what animal causing, because I was like, I was like, what's, because I was thinking, I was like, when I heard that Animal Crossing as a banking system, I was like, oh, this is so good. Yes, like, you know, how many of these has a banking system? And they designed the banking system, you know, just throw some antisemitism in there and they'll just bite down hard. Yeah, I'm glad that you kind of confirmed my suspicion. And this is all anecdotal, obviously, but I feel like the totality of a lot of these conservative politics is buzzword politics, where they don't necessarily have any core ideological beliefs. They can't really articulate what about the economy is wrong? What about our institutions is failing? Just buzzwords, right? Nancy Pelosi, bad, Biden, bad, Kamala, bad, you know, socialism bad. This is the thing. There are some videos where I've actually been able to have a pretty substantive conversation with some of these people. And that's when I've actually stripped buzzwords from my dialogue. There's one at that Michael and Dell rally where I talked to this kid about, you know, auditing the police and auditing your local government. And I said, you know, and I prefaced it, you know, I said, you know, if you want to have a real conversation with the liberal, you know, you say audit the police because it kind of forces them to actually have a conversation with you, you know, if they want to use that to own us, they'd be like, you know, we're going to audit the police. Take that liberals were like, yeah, please. And it's a, you never really heard that before, right? Like audit the police, you know, because it's defund, defund, defund abolish, the left wants to defund. And so if you sort of stripped the buzzwords from this, from your dialogue, you can have a pretty good conversation with, you know, with some of these people and it involves you sort of not using the normal like buzzwords and just act. Cause I mean, when I want to make comedy, you get someone activated. You're like, what do you think of George Soros and Nancy Pelosi, you know, and doing this. And then they're like, God damn it. You know, when you're like, you know, why don't we just audit the police? You know, what is this defund? Why don't we see where the money's going? You know, let's look at these tech contracts, big tech, big tech, big tech, right? Let's, you know, how many of these big tech contracts are, you know, going to these police budget things and in your city, you know, they try to make these things called a smart city, but you know, that's just a way for big tech to, you know, increase their authoritarian hold and authoritarian, you know, government. And wait, I mean, and that's not difficult for anyone to get behind. A lot of these, you know, smart contracts are going to big tech. They don't do a fucking thing for the municipality. They don't do a fucking thing for the citizenry. It's just to basically give away, really. And I think a lot of people can really get up, they can get behind that one. So it's like, let's audit the police and see which one of these stupid contracts is actually wasting taxpayer money. Yeah, and that's why I think these videos are so important because you kind of give people an insight into the way that these folks think and what makes them ways that they can react to politics. A lot of it is based on buzzwords. So if you change the framing or tweak it, you really can make a difference. Like I've spoken to congressional candidates who are running in conservative districts, but when they talk about single payer, for example, they don't talk about like a government insurance program so much as they talk about a small business tax cut. Well, think about how employers wouldn't, you know, have to provide health insurance and they'd save so much money and you know, that resonates with them. So it's important to kind of know the way that they think about things. I mean, that's assuming that a lot of these people can save, right? Yeah, and so, and here's the other thing I think we were saying at, you know, it's a lot of times they don't know what they believe. You know, a lot of them do, you know, have these values. I remember I read a QAnon conference, you know, they, someone was trying to outmate and then this other person got in my face and it was just like, tell me what your values are. Right? And so, you know, I know enough about how things rolled where I just had a conversation with that person and, you know, they do, you know, they do, some of them, you know, they actually believe this stuff. You know, they actually, you know, do, they respect the military and they revere the military and they revere, you know, the police and the, you know, the this and the that except the ones that guard Capitol Hill. So they want them to do actually, like if you wanted to pitch healthcare, very easy thing, talk about veterans. You want to talk about homelessness, be like, you know, there's a lot of like homeless veterans and we should do something about these homeless veterans started from there. You know, there's a lot of the veterans that come in, you know, they're not, they're not insured. They don't have health insurance, they served their country and we don't have health insurance for them. I mean, they'll, I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, you know, we never have enough money except for the military and we somehow find it in our budgets, in our hearts to, you know, give it to them. Same difference though, they're like, you know, cause they're not, they're not shitting on the military. They're not dumping on them. Suddenly it's not like personal responsibility. It's like, well, something that should be done to take care of these people that served our country. It's harder for them to sort of just go, you know. Right. And just slap them across the face with them. Yeah, cause you're meeting them where they are on their terms, something that they specifically care about. And I think it, it's important. And another thing in terms of like unity, I think when you talk Bernie, you just talk Bernie Sanders with a lot of these people, they get on board. You talk about labor, you talk about, you know, bringing our manufacturing base back. I mean, all these Trump rallies, that's how they would design the rallies. Like in terms of just the production design for the rallies, it was, you know, they'd have this, they bring in this huge truck, you know, and, you know, and that was like part of the stage and Donald Trump's giving a speech next to it. And it was like, you know, these truckers, you know, truckers, truckers, truckers, and, you know, we all are just the backbone of our economy and, you know, labor and local, local manufacturing, local business. And, you know, I mean, it was populism, you know, sort of radical populism. But, you know, you talk Bernie to them, you talk far left with them. They get on board. I mean, and because it's people, and it actually angers me because people are like, oh, we need to sort of meet them in the middle. And I was like, no, like we've been doing that. And then the middle just keeps shifting. It's like, no, you actually, you want to, you want to unite with them. Meet them on the far left. They'll meet you. So I mean, like- Yeah, it's a matter of like, they know something's wrong. It's a matter of bringing them to that correct conclusion, right? And not the wrong conclusion, not the fascistic solution, you know? So, yeah. You kind of alluded to it. I wanted to ask you, basically you've been talking to these folks for a while. You've been in the trenches now for more than a year. Do you feel yourself losing hope for humanity? And if not, how? Because I have become a lot more doomer and blackpilled the more videos that I see of this, like I watched, you know, the channel five, I watched your videos. And it really makes me feel like, I don't know how to convince these people. I mean, you kind of alluded to it, right? You know, different things, different ways you could pitch it and frame it. But just personally, like, how are you feeling after talking to a lot of MAGA chuds and anti-vaxxers and QAnon folks? I took a three month vacation in 2021. I just had to take a three month break and it was getting too much for me. It was just also a frustration and the feeling of that I was doing this alone. And then I had to meet with certain people and realized like there are other people that are doing this and doing real activism. I wouldn't call what I do real activism at all. I mean, I'm doing comedy. So, but it gets frustrating sometimes because, you know, there was this sort of liberal bubble where everyone's like, everything's gonna be cool, right? Like, I mean, eventually everyone's gonna see that, you know, there's no vaccine deaths and everyone's just gonna eventually get the vaccine, right? Of course. Meanwhile, it's like the disinformation is like, you know, that a hundred million people are dying every day as soon as they're injected. They're just exploding. So, you know, I hear this and I hear a lot of stuff because I think the problem with a lot of this messaging is the QAnon, these conspiracy theories come out and they just get to grow and grow and faster. And, you know, by the time, you know, liberals, progressives and stuff, by the time they actually hear about it, it's mainstream. And it's also very easy to have so liberals sort of to just dismiss what's happening as, you know, a few hundred people in a cornfield somewhere and some flyover state, like, oh, that's just happening there and it gets very frustrating. Cause I'm like, no, there were millions of magas in New York state. New York is a blue state. It is a very, very blue state. But there are millions of people in New York state, which means there are millions of Trump supporters. Someone, I tweeted my frustration with this and someone was like, well, what can I do? I live in a blue state. I was like, you don't think you have Trump supporters and fascists holding rallies in your state. Are you kidding me? Like, even in California, like, has anyone been to Huntington Beach? Like, it's just literal Nazis. And so it's kind of, it upsets me because it's like, when you see, you're going to these things and you're hearing these things being spoken long before. I mean, I went to the stop the steel rallies before January 6th, I left those, I left the one in December, like, sort of crying. I was like, oh my God, like, we're going to war. Like, these people are going to war. There's like violence in the air. Like something bad is going to happen. Like, this is going to be bad. And I knew that in December. That's why when I went to January 6th, Capitol Hill, I was like, all right, well, let me get out of DC before Pence certifies the vote because that's when all hell's going to break loose. I was wrong. Like, the fireworks started, you know, as, you know, before that was happening anyway. So, you know, it is frustrating to see this stuff play out because I'm like, this is going to be a thing. And, you know, a lot of, you know, there is sort of this, you know, bubble that everyone lives in. You know, everyone sort of, it's a very fragmented society and that that's incredibly frustrating, you know, because they don't, you don't know that you don't, you wouldn't know these things. You'd have to go to a Trump rally to hear it. You'd have to go to a QAnon conference to hear all of this stuff and to, and you'd have to like see how widespread it is. That's why it was actually pretty frustrating when it went to Ottawa. I was like, this entire city is just a MAGA rally. Like, and it's this city. And, you know, normally you look at the Canadian flag, it's like, oh, cool. They have like free healthcare and maple syrup. They're all really nice. And they're all waving this flag around. And you're like, are you ruining the flag? You're ruining the Canadian flag. We are going to associate it with hypernationalism. You know, like when you see like an American flag on someone's pickup track, you're like, oh, I know what, I know what this is about. Right? So, you know, and they're doing it over there. And I'm like, oh, like God. It's cause cognitive dissonance for me because my perception of Canadians is that they're angels. They could do no wrong. And now it's, they've gone mask off. So now they're all just, yeah, you've ruined it, Trucker Convoy. Congratulations. I used to think you were all cool, but yeah, ruined it for me. The funny thing is like they've, Canadians have been saying this for a very long time. They're like, we have severe problems with, you know, Nazis, white supremacist biker gangs and all of this other stuff, this hypernationalism. Like we have a problem with this here. Like, you know, I don't know why you put us on this pedestal and everything. So like, I think it's sort of like us like waking up to like what's there. Being like, you know, like, like waking up and not in like a, you know, the great awakening, but more of like a, no, like this is reality. Like this thing's happening, you know. They're America 1.5, you know, it's now it's like, rather than thinking about, you know, fleeing to Canada. Now I'm thinking, okay, well, where else now? New Zealand? Well, I was almost happy to tell people this because I was like, no fucking deal with it here. We're not going, no one's going anywhere. Exactly. Like it's a, you know, there's, you know, elections, you know, like in Hungary or like, you know, these fascist governments where their platform was, you know, hey, I'm going to defeat George Soros. You know, that, you know, wins election points in other countries, you know, mentioning Soros and you're like, because, you know, it's all founded on, you know, this anti-communist, you know, hyper nationalist thing. So yeah. Interesting. Well, before you go, I just want to also turn people on to some of your really cool skits. They're part of your TikTok, I believe. You're very, there's a variety of different things. You have these videos where you talk to people at MAGA rallies and whatnot, but also your skits are really great. You had a great skit where you were criticizing the Democratic party's response to the left and how the left, we get blamed for everything. We'll give them perfectly common sense and reasonable advice and then they don't take it and then we get blamed. So you have this skit. Well, what's going to happen, let's just call it the 2022 midterm elections. Let's say it now, the young Turks did this as well. Let's just say, you know, we were just too woke, right? I mean, that's why the election didn't go our way, right? Too woke, right? Defund the police. Cory Bush wouldn't stop saying it. That one congressperson wouldn't stop saying it and look what happened. Because, and you know, because we weren't conservative enough. And you know, if only we would just get on board and just, you know, be conservative, we would start winning elections, right? That's how you win elections, right? This is by being conservative, right? You just gotta come to the middle. Like come to the middle, right? Yeah. It's like a cycle. I feel like we're living in a time loop where the same thing happens every couple of years where, you know, we'll see low turnout because Democrats will fail to deliver. Republicans will get elected and then Americans will remember, oh my God, they are batched fucking insane. So they'll elect Democrats again. Be reminded that Democrats don't deliver. And then Republicans, so it just, it kind of repeats and repeats. But you know, even as- It's kind of like you're leading from the center type of nonsense. And like, you know, let's bring them across the aisle and, you know, and just if only we just sort of got, you know, just, you know, we need to be conciliatory. You know, I have family members that yell at me over this and like, you know, it's like I'm supposed to be reaching across the aisle to them. And I'm just like, dude, I make comedy and I put it on the, I upload it to my Twitter account. Like, I don't know what you want me to do here. But I went on Michael Cohen's show and I said the same thing. I was like, most of the Democratic leadership that's in charge of, you know, messaging and all that. Like I really want them to be fired. There's a few people that are good at messaging. Like John Ossoff, like, you know, he can, when they were, you know, talking about his relationship with China, he went after it right away. Cornered a Fox News reporter and like, was like, no, let's talk about it. Nope, nope, nope, nope, that's not true. Why would that be true? Like, and there's no response. And, you know, I remember AOC said something right after the election where she said, you know, Obama's campaign could fire back quickly because he built it outside of the Democratic Party. And it frustrates me because I don't think Biden got himself, we got Biden elected. Like we the people got Biden elected. I don't think Biden and Kamala did a goddamn thing. Oh yeah. You could have put basically a ham sandwich there and run it against Trump. And I feel like, you know, with how bad COVID was, he would have, you know. You could tell me that Biden is dead right now. I'd still, I'd be like, we're gonna vote for him again? Sure, sure. Like, let's like, whatever, man. You know? Yeah, it's a matter of like just trying to get, I guess my project is trying to radicalize the Normie Democrats, like the MSNBC liberals who they acknowledge rightfully so that Republicans are absolutely insane. They're cuckoo for cocoa puffs. But the problem is that because they're insane, they just by definition defaulted Democrat good. When I'm trying desperately as a leftist to get them to see, maybe at a bare minimum, we all have healthcare. They have it just north of the border. And there's another thing, there's this thing. A lot of the people I really lock horns with are what I call toxic centrists, right? And you know, they don't, I mean, they don't like Trump and it's just sort of similarities end there. But they're identifying as part of our camp. And they have a ton of critiques for how we should be behaving and tone policing us. And you shouldn't say that, you know, let's not go after Joe Rogan too hard because we're gonna lose the midterm elections. You know, God forbid we ask for some accountability for Joe Rogan having a fucking anti-vaxxer on his show for four hours. And you know, the people, they're sort of coded up in the language, you know, both sides, both sides, you know, let's see, both sides. Let's see the thing. And there's a lot of, you know, code that these centrists will use. And it's just, just being like, that's code for, you know, I'm a conservative, just say you're a conservative. Right. Like when someone's like, you know, hey, listen, I'm socially liberal, but I'm just fiscally conservative. Like just say you're a conservative, okay? You know what? How many genders are there? You're like, oh yeah, you're real social liberal there. Like, I gotcha, you know? Because it's never true. Like I'm tired of hearing this. You're gonna have done enough debates with someone. At the end of the debate, I'm like, why are you debating with me over this? You're like, you just didn't like Trump. You're like, just say you're a conservative. Right. Start the conversation from there. Like stop with this like, oh, I'm a big old progressive there, you know? Yeah. Like no. Free market progressive, you know? So I think that's a huge problem, you know? It's like Malcolm, who said, talking about the white moderate, like MLK is talking about the white moderate and Malcolm is talking about these sort of, you know, liberal people that sort of, they're not really that liberal. You know? An obstacle to progress, you know? It's an issue. Whenever you start hearing self-identified progressives, talk about, you know, private solutions, the public problems, just future advice for everyone. That's a huge, huge, huge red flag. That is neoliberalism. And that is what got us to this point as a country. But I've taken up a lot of your time. I wanna give you a chance to plug your content. You're on TikTok, but you're also on YouTube. Yes. And I want people to watch your content. Yes, my YouTube and my Twitch. So yeah, I'm putting sort of longer form things onto my YouTube. And so it's YouTube, it's Walter Masterson on YouTube. Same thing for Twitch. I just like to go on Twitch, show my content and just sort of give context for it. So yeah, both just any platform you go to just Walter Masterson and that's where you'll find me. But yeah, definitely my YouTube and my Twitch because those are, yeah, I'm starting to live stream a lot more just going on there and just talking shit and everything. Just, yeah. That's therapeutic, isn't it? It's just very therapeutic.