 All right. All right. Let's start with the minutes of. Here are seven. I noticed a typo on. Sorry. I am. I'm an issue right now with this. Why? There it is. Okay. Sorry. Say that again. Okay. January 29 minutes. Motion to consider. January 29 24 minutes. Motion to amend minutes. Yeah. And I have three. Control or new charter accounts has been created. Budget is postponed. Further investigation of salaries. Okay. Anyone have any other revision minutes? Anyone come up. To speak. As the chapter. They're waiting to do that. Was there some of them? I have a motion to approve the minutes. So moved. Second. All right. Can you close? I've been abstained. So. So I'll raise your hand. For you. No, no. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 12, 14, 15. No pose. Correct. And two. Abstentions. So we had two budgets to revisit tonight. Let's start with. The control on. Budget. Do I take it? Yes. You want to put it up? Yes. Just go to slide three. This is the adjusted one. Right. We say. You nine on it. You seven. Says adjusted. Oh, here we go. Here we go. Is anyone else who's being unable to see it? It opened the same way. Yeah. Okay. It's not there. Let me, let me just read download it. There must be something wrong with the file. Is it doing a master? It's okay. Christine. Why don't we go on to somebody else? I almost have it. I'm sorry. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. It's just so slow. Okay. There we go. Okay. Go with a slide. Start slide three. This is the original budget. And two little notes there. And the base salary is wrong. It was in the book. It should have been 148013. There's been no change since last year. And the result was that. The new salary was shown higher than the. Allow. Max in the second schedule. The second group of your schedule. That's just shown on the next page for. So page five shows the original budget. We talked about the expenses and so forth. So on page six. Show us the adjusted salary budget. And the new pay can't be any higher than 148705. And we had a step in the, in our. Heronias budget. Last week in 692, that was the correct amount. But it was, it was adding to the wrong base. So the new pay is 148705, which is the max of agree. If you go to. Page nine. You have updated. Department budget. Which has a recommendation of 32,000. I'm sorry. 362,370 dollars. With the adjustments in salary. Correct. And just discussed. So. I'm recommending that. The. The oldest budget. I will note that I had a conversation with. Alex McGee and, and with Karen. And they will, there will be some adjustments to the M schedule. To accommodate some of the changes that they originally anticipated. There are perhaps other people in the M schedule that have. Several limitations. That couldn't. So they would not be able to. Receive that they're planning to issue. So. The only time. Once the. What you're bargaining. Discussions are settled. For a second to that. Second. Final. Final taxation. Number after the offsets. Is. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. $3,000. I don't think the last thing you mentioned about adjusting the other schedule will have to be in this year's reclassification. Well, I assume that's the case. We haven't had a reclass meeting, but that's the 24. Yeah. And I replied to that. Yes. So there's, there's 2 discussions going on. And when we have our reclass meeting, I'm asking Alex to join us. It's actually not a union. It's a manager's town managers. Discretion rates. And so everyone should check their salaries for their managerial staff to make sure the new salary is not above the max salary. Because what usually happens then is the max sound, the difference ends up in the salary reserve and then added after town meeting, because town meeting has to approve the manager's increase in salary. Supposedly getting Charlie, was it a 2% or a 3%? They wouldn't discuss that, but they won't discuss it until they have to. That's right. That's right. So, so all of that has to happen. And so money, my understanding is, and I'm going to make Alex and Karen describe it in full at our meeting is that the anticipated salary will go into salary reserve town meeting will vote on the budgets. They'll vote on salary increases and then that money will exist and it will appear with a new M class max next year and their, their new total, which is above the current max. Does that make sense to people? Yep. Charlie, is that one return? Okay. Go ahead. What happens if the collective buy agreement is not agreed upon by next year? I'm just thinking about managers here, not collective bargaining. So, I mean, it's based on the practice has been that they won't make a change in the insurance. Oh, no, call them to lap all these. Well, that's the story. I mean, I raised the question because in some of these fighting units, it's gone on for three or four years. Right. So you're giving me another question for Karen and Alex. I mean, I wasn't saying that this is going to absolutely change that way. That was their discussion. Any other questions? So, I think we need a second. I think we got a second one. So if there are no questions, let's take a vote. All in favor of approving the controller's budget at 62370 say aye. Any opposed? Thank you, Charlie. Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you, sir. Um, the next thing is to help with the idea. Yeah, so there's a remote that we need to do. I also do have a few updates on some. Towards yours. So, we hopefully got the new IT sheets sent out by Alex. What happened was the manager of enterprise applications, which was vacant, was prior to late. Just started either January 31 to the 1st of February for both dates. And they had to hire the men at a higher salary than was the place for them. So this is how I'm catching something last week about this. And so we will need to vote the new total. So. So. With the adjusted sheet, the taxation total changes to 1,255,953. There's a. It's an 8124 difference in. What was budgeted earlier versus what they had to act. So that's the new taxation total. So I'm going to shut before we vote that should I just go through this? So you would also ask them to ask about the parking system. That turns out there's going to be more information coming from the treasurer because they drove that. So once I've met with Julie, I'll have an update on that. As far as the records in the town hall basement, I T pointed out that they they digitize things in the order that they've kind of been told to. They don't make the ordering decision. I've asked Genfini about what he thinks might be the next order of business, but I have not heard about it. So that's still standing. The 10 case service and maintenance costs for the body cam line going forward. She thinks Patricia said she's going to ask to put that in the network budget going forward. So I'm fine. 26 and beyond in question, so far good. The I.T. equipment, the server room is on the second floor, so it is not in the basement. So you would ask about that. The disaster recovery plans. I did have to afford an email that Patricia sent. I'm not going to read the whole thing to you because it's several paragraphs, but I think the upshot is they're aware of it. They are putting plans together. They've done some exercises. So we lose the building that the server room is in. What what do we have? So they are looking into that. Charlie, you've asked if there are any more copper wire and there's all the centric lines have been removed. She said there might be some POTS lines on the school side for a building wire, but that's that's it. So we have gotten rid of the copper. And then finally, the network maintenance item. There were several questions on about this. The first one, so if you brought up with why was the budget book, why was it different? Why was the F by 23 budget one number in the F by 23 budget book? And then another number of the F by 24. And it was because there was an additional there was an appropriation in town meeting that was the second number that happened after the F by 23 came out. But he did say that that matches what's at the end. So I think we solve that. The large amount of the actual network budget of one hundred and thirty one four thirty one basically salary savings and it was used to fund the network spend for the EPW growth screen project. And it was used for networking. So it was not really so given the bottom line budgeting that we do. The bottom line number didn't change. They just used some savings in one place to do the other. And then finally, there's a 10 K increase in the F by 25 budget. And that's the data line for the station. So I think we'll find out about the digitization of records. I'll stay on that more like I said, the treasurer's budget. But I think that covered all the questions that got asked. All right. Any other questions that we want to have right now? First, I'd like a motion to reconsider our previous vote. Right. So second second. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. We are now reconsidered. Actuation total of one million two hundred and fifty five thousand nine hundred and fifty three. And break the sheet. I have a second. So any further questions? All right. All in favor, say aye. Aye. Any opposed? None of us. Thank you so much. Well, does anyone have any budgets for tonight? You have something? Yeah, we can do a snow and ice tonight. All right. What better time to do so? Just have to work out. I think for you last week that we were doing a storm three. Do you have things you want to share? I just have a couple or just my notes here. I can share it after this with you like. Should be relatively quick for that. So just a quick reminder about how we do snow and ice. So the budget that you see for fiscal year twenty twenty five that we take the amount between seventy five to eighty percent of the ten of the town's ten year rolling average to come up with that number. So and as a refresher, this is the one budget that we would actually be allowed to deficit spend on. But we've taken what many municipalities do do, but we've taken the approach to try to have more of an accurate representation so that we have a fully funded budget and we're not looking to do either line item transfers or trying to make up the money of town meeting every year. So this number generally comes in pretty close to what we actually budget for each year. So this year year to day we spent about five hundred forty six thousand dollars across five events. One was the first storm that we had was a heavy cloud. But most of what we end up spending our money on is salt and sand. So some other large some large picture items. I know contractors have been difficult in the over the past few years to try to get. We checked with Mike and there are currently about ten vendors who can supply about 50 trucks to us. Most of our in-house staff are actually plowing themselves salt and sand. It's typically done by our in-house staff, but there is one vendor who's available to us in case we were to ever need any extra salt or sand capacity. Getting to the vendors. So costs on vendors have risen about 30 percent for the fees that they are charging the town for us to use their services for. There was a question that came in about what's the incentive that we're offering to vendors to try to get them interested in plowing for us. And that was the three thousand five hundred dollar incentive. It's basically ensuring that there's a base for the vendors so that every year it's not it's there's a guarantee that you're not going to lose money out when you come and you plow for us. So you'll at least the thirty five hundred dollars that generally covers about what it would cost for somebody to be insured for their trucks. So they get that even if they don't touch your plow. Correct. And it's like they've the way that Mike explained it to me, it's that you'll you're guaranteed the thirty five hundred. But when you plow with us, you'll make up that amount. So essentially it's you're guaranteed you're not going to be losing money out on us, but you do kind of earn it. If I hope I'm explaining that well, the floor. Exactly. It's a floor. That's a great way to think of it. And apparently this year we've already reached it. So it's not going. No one's getting a freebie. Right. We've got the thirty five hundred dollars gift. They only plow a thousand dollars. The plower is a five thousand dollars. They get five thousand dollars because they've already earned it. Got it. Exactly. And Mike's pretty confident that the amount of vendors that we have right now, he's comfortable in working with. He thinks that that should be an adequate number to be able to cover the town. We're meeting again with EPW on Friday. We'll let you know if he thinks otherwise. But I think they're pretty comfortable in their snow operations and he seems to be I think that he's confident that they're going to be able to make it this year. And I know that they're also I did we touch base on it? I think we yeah, we touched base on it when we met with them, too, about how we're trying to become a training incentive to try to train people to drive. Yeah, well, we'll go over that some more with EPW. But anyways, yeah, I think snow and ice is pretty well covered and he's confident that this project should last them for the remainder of the year. Just a couple more things. So he also mentioned that salt is also kind of dramatically so it's both salt and higher and people have gone up about 30 percent. So we've had a couple of years of lower snow numbers, but we're still spending maybe as much as we spent years ago with higher sand numbers. And then one other thing I realize is I know that we are left to send and that they can make transfers. They said, generally, we don't do that. So if they spend the next 200,000, they would make it up elsewhere rather than go to company and ask the transfer. It's only when those really, really bad snow events happen. And questions to first. So I was going to say the flip side of the guarantee pay is that if we call them, they have to come. So if we had a really big storm season, they're on the hook to be plowing a lot. Other questions. Sophie, do we historically always just budget one global number and then in the actual sea to break out or can we ever budget for a thing? My dad, my dad, he didn't know what it was. I don't know what to do. He's like, I don't know. It's always just one number and then in the actuals, we see the rep. Other questions. Yeah, this is maybe for you. Do you know when the last time is we appropriated us so nice deficit? Yeah, that was 2015. Yeah, that's a 2.3 million dollars. And yeah, that's the apocalypse. Yeah, yeah, that's the only real good we've had. So it's working. Yeah, so one of the reasons we increased the reserve fund. It's been rolling out very, very close. But only because we've been lucky to have certain low. Other questions. All right. So Jordan, Jennifer, your emotion. We have the emotion to approve these removal of snow and ice budget for one million one hundred seventy two thousand thirteen dollars. Any other questions? All right. If you have a motion, it's been second and all in favor. Say aye, aye, opposed. All right. Thank you very much for doing snow and ice. Anything else? Any other questions? What about our budget or else? I said, vote our budget or we're going to send out a lot of tax. Very timely manner. All right, so let's talk minutes. I mean, warrants. Yeah, take it from here. OK, I don't know if anybody who saw the one still herself or copy of the budget of the warrant. But let me go through it on. I guess the short answer is there's not a huge amount of additional things we need to do. But let me just sort of go through it article by article. The whole bunch of the first articles are all by law changes which are under the authority of the Board of Selectment. Then it's all the zoning changes and then all the finance articles on seven is a betterment by law revision on private ways. And so, Christine, I think when the town manager comes in, we might just want to ask him what he has in mind here because anything that's not covered by the assessments, you know, somehow it impacts us. I don't think it's not a finance article, but directly. But I think we should ask him about it. And just so you know, I confirmed with him that he and Alex will be the end to meet with us on Wednesday, March 13. It was the 13th of the month. Can I ask a question about that? OK, so hold on. Can I ask a question about. So that's a significant expense. They they repaved all of Marion Road in my neighborhood so that the buses could get up and down it. So I think it's related to us unless he's going to do it within the budget he gets for the year. I mean, the assessments are supposed to be paid entirely by the. Butters. So I don't think that happened on Marion Road, knowing some of the butters. Well, I suggest you ask the manager when he comes in. OK, that's what I suggest. OK, the eight is the annual town meeting. That's just sort of the flexibility. But nine and ten are the times. And while that's not a finance article, it's a procedural article that could impact our meetings. Now, over the last few years of myself, Charles, you know, you we haven't really had that much to do from seven thirty eight o'clock on. But if if this passes and town meeting starts at seven thirty, you know, then we might have to start at seven. So that might be something that. And of course, that would impact the selection also. So they might have sorry, select board. They might have something to say about that. But in the result. I'm sorry. And the ARB. Yeah, so the rest of the articles. I didn't see any particular financial impact. Article twenty one. Is a home rule legislation to amend the senior citizen property tax exemption. It's been inserted by the board of assessors and has those magic words or funded by an appropriation or transfer from existing funds. So I think it might be interesting to have the board of assessors or one of their representatives come in and say, you know, what do you have in mind here and how much is this going to cost? Because then they'll say, oh, that doesn't cost anything. It comes out of the overlay. Well, the overlay we use to partially fund our budget. So yeah, it does have a at least it might not be a big one, but we should we should understand it. So that's article twenty one board of assessors. Um, OK, then you go through all the zoning articles. I didn't see anything there, which I thought John May only is trying to get his winter street property back into the MVT again. OK, now we get to the finance articles and probably 90 percent of them are the same. Um, we do have amendments to the twenty four budget. So that's the town manager to find out how last year he put this in and then we didn't we didn't make any changes. But we should ask about that. And then the rest of these articles are pretty straightforward. Um, I don't know if you would roll up just a little bit. I saw our appropriation for public education. Programming from ACMI. Hey, yeah, that's finance. We we. Yeah, we. Yeah, it used to be that the money we take in would go directly to the cable company. But about forty four years ago, the Department of Revenue said, no, that's going to be appropriate. So instead of going directly, there has to be appropriate. And so that's what that's about. That's all right. Starting with article thirty five on until almost the end. It's our articles we will we typically report on. But there are a couple of at least one new one. Well, article fifty one. I get to coordinate with her with the Council on Aging, because they keep putting in the Harry Barber as a separate article. And we keep putting it in the committees and commissions. So I think what we need to do next year is add that Council on Aging, Harry Barber program right into the wording of the article forty six commissions and committees, and then I'll talk to them about getting rid of it. I mean, it's not a big deal, but it's just extra an extra article we have to deal with. Now, the sort of new ones are article fifty three, which is the taking substratons school safe routes. And this was put in last year, but they ended up not doing something because they weren't ready on for the for the bits and pieces. And so I assume they are. But that'll be something now it's on. Community development. So we want to ask the town manager about that when he can bring whoever he wants to do them. OK, now you've got the private way repairs, revolving funds, which could tie into that revolving fund changes. So I think we need to ask the manager about that. Article fifty five is the public library construction program match. Um, we have gotten a grant to fund the Robbins library back in 1988. We were like the first ones and we got that whole addition to it. It doesn't say Fox in this, but I'm assuming that's what they are referring to. Yeah, yeah. So I was I was hoping we were talking about this a little bit before. Um, if they can put housing on top of the Fox, they can have a project like we did here back in 1980. We built a police station and a housing project on the same piece of land. I don't know if it's actually attached to each other, but it certainly is close to it. Yeah, and we got two entities to work together to create a much bigger thing. Perhaps if they can work with the housing authority or maybe the housing corporation, we could have a much more productive project, but we'll see what they said. All right. Thank you. So why is this in the operating budget, not Apple budget? Well, good question. I don't know. I just I mean, traditionally, if you have a program plan, it goes in the capital budget and this is a grant. They have the ability in the capital budget to accept grants in the other category. That's a board of library trustees and the library director. So I don't know if that thought process was at that level. I could, why don't I give team or a call and see if the capital budget. I don't think it's Chris more Chris, it's Chris more than chair. Oh, but I don't recall them putting an item. We are having a library director in March 4th to talk about this. OK, so you are a representative of capital budget? Yeah. Oh, so you don't you haven't seen this at all. I don't remember. I'm just looking to see if it was even on the last box library. It was on the sort of dual list several years ago. When the library did come to us with the request, I just don't remember anything about the box. Let me just look at the location for the celebrate. Yeah, I'm sorry. Right. So it should have gone to you. I can be initially raised with the manager also, I suppose. Absolutely. Well, we can talk to the library director on the 4th and the manager on the 13th, it would have said. Now, Article 56 is local option. On this is more, it's almost more of a more of a policy. It's just to allow the trust fund commissioners to use the prudent investor rule as opposed to whatever rule they have now on on that. So the manager put that forth. My guess is to give them some more flexibility and how they invest in best trust funds. Oh, do you think this is a finance issue? Do you think the finance committee should wait in on 56? You say yes, master. Say yes. You say yes. We should weigh in. I'm sorry, you know, sorry. Did you say my hearing aids just died? All right. And I'm just yes, we should weigh in. She needs to repeat your question. So you do you feel like we should wait? The finance committee should weigh in on Article 56. Oh. Or should we wait to talk to the manager? I'd say wait to talk to the manager and just see exactly what you had to do. Oh, so yes, and I just know. So as a legacy item on the committee, when town officials move outside of the investment schedules, we get involved. And so that happened once before it would happen again, we'd get involved. So I think we should at least hear it because if we're setting rules that we may someday have to look at. You should at least see them on the way in. Procreation master plan update. Fifty thousand dollars to update the master plans endorsed. And this is by the director. tape. It's his director. So I think we should ask the manager about this. I just had a couple of thoughts in mind. You know, we had a consultant to develop the master plan. I this is just me. I wonder if we got we should have the resources within planning community development to update it ourselves. Fifty thousand seems like a lot of one, but that's just a quick observation. So now now we're getting into the most of the standard articles. Local option taxes, which is the article we've had in forever, which never gets, you know, we always vote no action because nothing's there. Could be slightly relevant this year. The governor has proposed a whole series of far revenue raising options for cities and towns. So this could be there. What I've heard from the MMA is it's it's going over like the proverbial lead balloon in the legislature on the grounds that we just voted, you know, ask the voters and they approve four million dollars of no, four percent of new revenues for the millionaires tax. This is not the time that we're going to vote more taxes for cities and towns. So it could be relevant. My guess is the legislature is not going to give it to us. I have a quick question, though. Whatever the budget would be voted for would be in July. So so would it not be relevant yet this year? Because well, they've divided up different parts of it's not what she proposed to the legislature is not just a revenue. Also has other bits and pieces of municipal. So it's been divided up between a couple of different committees. So would be in the budget as a separate we could theoretically see something by the time we have to actually vote on it, but I would wage a lot of money on it. No. OK, and then the rest of the articles. Are the same. They a little bit of a difference in the order. The Alex, our finance director, asked that the collective bargaining we put at the end. After the fiscal stability, and I never had a chance to talk to him about it, but I don't have a big problem with that. Hopefully anything that we have will be voted on before we go to print. And so. If something comes up after we go to print, then we might just have to table 64, which is the fiscal stability fund. All through the collective bargaining and go back and adjust. And then we have, well, resolution on MBTA service. By one of our favors. Don Quixote's of our town. All right, thank you, Al. Any questions? Yeah, I was wondering about Article 42. The transportation and construction fund is not a standard phone. It is. The difference is in the last few years, they've been putting in a dollar amount. It's like 62,000 or something like that. Right down to the penny this year. They just set a sum of money, but we've done that for at least two years now. John, I wonder if you have any conversations with the moderator about what items would be put into the vendor agenda and when that gender gets voted. Because if you remember last year, there was a feeling among at least one member meeting that it was too close to the finance report. Yeah, one of the problems with the consent agendas is people don't start focusing on it. Yeah, until the first night and then they get all uptight. Yeah. I've, I've suggested, because I've been involved in a lot of this stuff, I suggested to the moderator that maybe do the consent agenda the second day. Even though that means we actually have to dispose of a couple of articles. And the other thing I suggested is that anybody who yells hold has to get up, identify themselves, precinct and then say hold. Well, yeah. Put a damper on some of it, but we'll see. And what I'm going to try to do is get our finance report finished earlier. That's why I'm pushing for everything to be completed by the 25th, because that hopefully will get the three of us the time to work over Easter again. Done. So that might help that situation. And maybe this year, that person has somebody else who he wants to target. I was going to say another possible thing would be to actually have a finance, I guess it would be to consent agendas, because you need majority in two thirds that you put together and then you vote that right before the first finance article, which is going to be several nights. In the town. Well, that'd be interesting. Another thing that has been percolating in my mind and I've spoken to a couple of people is maybe the finance committee should have. A meeting after we've done our business before town meeting to educate town meeting members, newly elected town meeting members or older town meeting members about what we do, how we paint, how we, how we created this budget and then let them ask questions then so that when we get to the opening time meeting, maybe they won't be in holds on some finance issues. But we would need to organize to have that meeting. So I'm kind of curious whether there's some interest among people here tonight to try to do something like that. It's a great idea. How do we encourage the people who need to attend and ought to attend to attend. I think we can get talent, talent alerts out. We can get use the timing list and moderator can help. Yeah, I think the problem is timing because there's so many. We want to do that. And we of course have to get the right. I mean, it's almost like if it was already, if it was like a Thursday, maybe work for better than trying to shove it in beforehand. Once we're already rolling. We're already rolling. It brings back their patience over. But at that point, we might have a consent agenda. But exactly. No, right. Exactly. Any other thoughts about that. Have a meeting. We, they are having precinct meetings. You know, well, and Dickens has been trying to sort of organize that for the last couple of years. So we could try to do it through that. And, you know, and they usually combine a couple of precincts, which means a couple of us. Could ask for 10 or 15 minutes at the beginning of these precinct meetings to quickly present some of the issues and take any questions on it. Um, Becca, you had a hand up. I can reconsider my question. So usually the precinct meetings are not for town meeting members that are intended to be for town meeting members to talk to the public. So we want to have an educational meeting for town meeting members of their fiscal responsibilities. That we should do that as separate. Then I'm happy to help with that. My fault. If we did this in the studio at ACMI, they would run it several times before town meeting. That's a good point. Just as our own panel discussion, they could broadcast it. I don't know how many times they fit it in, but. Except for what we, what we would like questions. Yeah, that's a problem. Call in numbers. No. Excuse me. If we did something like that, we could, isn't there like a new town meeting member orientation? Maybe we, like, is there something every year that they do? Yeah. Yeah, that's actually. So I, I usually help them on that orientation and talk about finance, but I don't, you know, there's a lot of other stuff jammed into that. So. Is there an opening in that type of meeting or a, a, a more. Old session about to enable people to ask questions about. The budget. So. That also means the report has to be in people's hands. Yes. It's really more a, this is how town meeting runs kind of training. Right. You know, this is what these motions mean, et cetera, et cetera. So we can talk. When we get back around to considering a serious agenda for that meeting, I can see yes. That we have an extension of it possibly for people who want to talk about finance articles or something like that. We have in the past to offer a couple of different dates for that training as well so that, and we record it. So, let me see what. But other folks already are in their reports right now. We usually don't do that until well after the election because we don't know who's who. Yeah, so. I would think so. We're wrapping my March 25. We should have a draft report running. Yeah. That could be considered. I would hate to get a draft report out. And then have a second report out. So it would have to be. And I think people would want it to be close in time to get into town. Well, so let me. See, we'll send you some information about what we did the last two years. So they didn't have an idea what the agenda is and what the timing was and then we'll. Determine where I also think the precinct meetings to have value because yeah, because yes, it is for the public, but it is an opportunity for you precinct. Yeah, I mean, we don't have any members to get together together to gather here. Yeah, what happens at these things and, and, and it might be an opportunity to. I mean, they don't usually at those. I always attend mine and we don't get to talk about how time meeting works. We get overrun by the public wanting to talk about particular articles. Right. So I think the finance are chosen to be able to as Al described, take 10 minutes or five or seven minutes. And say, I'm, I'm from the finance community and I represent your precinct and, and here is the report. You should have it. Here's how we developed it. Here are the main things you need to know this year. And here I am asking questions. Here's my, if I can manage to go on the website, our website, you can get the email from all of us. You can, you can. You can go to the recordings you can. Because we could if we have the finance committee report. Online. A week and a half ahead of the town meeting in the mail the week. We put in a sheet or I don't know if you want to do this or just names and phone numbers and precincts and say, do you have any questions? Call your precinct person. And try to get it that way. And that way we get to consent agenda either the first or second night. You know, we can get a lot of most of it done. John and Sophie. And then Dean. My question relates to our 21 looks like a home rule legislation to amend the senior citizens property tax exemption. As I read that that just seems like almost a touch up to some legislation that already passed. And I just want to confirm that is just a touch up. And it has known your project. But. The question was, there was an open question that we want to ask. That's what I heard. Oh, okay. You did mention that. Yeah. Yeah. I just have to notice it when I went back in. Yeah, I just. You know, so many times in the past, we've increased exemptions for this or for that. We always get the answer. Well, this isn't going to cost anything. Yeah. Well, it does cost something. And even though. Number one, it might not cost a lot of money. And number two, it serves a good purpose. It should still be out there. Yeah. I mean, you step back a bit that whole exemption. My back to the envelope map. It says at most they can't cut the property tax by more than 1%. So I mean, I'm looking at property tax is about, let's just say 150 million. And so if they gave the full rebate or whatever you want to call it, it'd be about a $1.5 billion offset to our property tax base. Yeah. And the final question, have we heard anything about that? Like, in other words, you know, how that will impact property. You know, are they going to give the whole thing out? Or is that going to be addressed later on? The property tax rebate that was on the ballot this year. I believe that that rebate is based on your. But I believe it's based on your. There's an application. So it's just a pool of money. Why could it be based on their circumstances. And then we change. I think. Money. Yeah. Well, the money available is probably pretty consistent, but change the circumstances. Eligibility. We may have increased the income limit or something like that. I forget exactly what we were. So. We won't necessarily spending a 1.5. It sounds like less than 1.5 to 1.5 in the ceiling. Yeah. I was just wondering if it's a big. It sounds like. Not necessarily. Okay. We have a variety of programs intended to help people. And. They. They never have a budgetary impact that they could. If they were maximized. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, no, that was, that was before. Yeah. So 15 and then Charlie. Yeah. Yeah. I was just wondering if it's a big. It sounds like. Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Okay. We have a variety of programs intended to help people. So the 50s, 50 years of healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy, healthy. We have a variety of programs intended to help people. So I would recommend these 3. 15 and then Charlie. It was just a comment going back to meeting. He's been saying that Charlie, he's always a fabulous, a briefing that I attended. Always talks and answers questions. Now if you said need to. You need to get into a question. It won't be the same answer. So. always been beneficial, and they at least in our precinct, people always ask about financial benefits, and Charlie always gets to talk. So you'd be there with? Sure. Well, but I represented different precincts, because I'm like, you know, I even floated around, so I have Charlie to leave. I think there's a suggestion that, well, they're often are in joint precinct meetings, so if you were to show up at, let's say, precinct 19 and said, you know, I'm from the finance committee, I don't live in those precincts, but I'm here to answer your questions, and we could just, if we want to do that, we can just sort of divvy it up to make sure that somebody, at least one person from here was at a precinct, all of the precinct meetings. So to just be there here, I can talk to you for a few minutes, but finance committee, I'm here for questions, and here is who you can contact. So just to throw, I mean, I was, I'm all for that, and had actually been wanting to do that for the past couple of years, based on my experience of Charlie speaking at ours, but I'm not sure myself to go there, so yeah, I think you're pretty good with the numbers. We won't make people do something that they don't aren't comfortable with, and maybe other people are so comfortable doing that they don't mind going to multiple meetings. Dean. So actually, it's a very good feedback, I was going to say. I think when we talk about transparency and outreach that they can all use are great. What I would say through my professional experience is stakeholders, it's amazing, they actually value transparency far more than technical accuracy, right? So like, I always tell people like, I'm on this tour right now at work where I have to present here and results to share holders and like, I emailed to 20 and two ask questions and the other team didn't even open email. I go to like our executive group and like six of them are on their phones and like, people just told like, I glazed over like, please leave, right? But then they send me these emails months later like, thank you for being so transparent, and I'm like, you were outside the room on your phone the whole week. What are you talking about, right? But what you learned through experiences, like to your points of view, it's like, when you show up to the meeting and you're like, I'm from the finance community, I'm here to answer your questions. And then I don't have any questions. They then go tell people how transparent you are and you're like, but you didn't ask me anything, right? And so I think what we do in these regards is it's important to be open to people and available to people. And even if the answer is to really good question, I'll find out for you when you're ready. I think whatever we do just being out there is far more valuable than being technically sounded on the answer. Yeah. Amen. Charlie. Thank you. So I heard, I think we start over, make a comment, people are having a separate consent agenda for the finance community. And that brought to mind, maybe we don't need it, consent agenda for the finance community. Because I recall several years back, I can't remember whether it was John Morton or John Mione, but the moderator approached the finance committee budget or the town budget by saying, okay, just went through each number and said, does anyone want to discuss this and put a hold on, which is the same thing they do on the consent agenda. But if it happens at the night that you're hearing the finance committee budget, you pass the transparency test as Dean just pointed out. You're not trying to pull a fast one on people the first night of town meeting. You're saying, okay, we're going to open this budget up in discussion. And you find out who wants to talk about it and who doesn't. As opposed to what happened last year, I think a lot of people just raised their hand on different budget numbers because they were, I don't know, out of fear or something like that. And we had to go through those budgets and then we find out nobody wanted to discuss them anyway. So I would argue that we don't need consent agenda for the finance committee budget. Well, it's the moderator's call. It's his dance. So I can have a conversation with him. I understand. So I'm just going to give that a thought that the consent agenda was not for the budget, which we do do exactly that each year. But for these other ones, like Article 49, right? Yeah, that's all of the articles. So I think every year we go to the budget and we say, okay, this budget, we're going to want to hold it next budget. So I think the last couple of years, we had the finance committee budget on the consent agenda. That's the whole budget. I don't think the whole budget, but what this member did was pull out things like the waterbind thing, you know, all those other things. I think it's been Sophie. I've been at those meetings and Sophie is asking Charlie all those questions. But I would just echo Michael's suggestion about acne. I think it's, I mean, why not? And I think it could probably identify some of the things that are likely to be some of controversial and maybe James Milan could ask some of those questions or something like the department had. You could have a studio audience. You could have a text line for questions. We could have a Facebook page for questions. Lots of ways to send it in while it's happening. And what type of work is that going to require from us? That's the other thing. I don't think we would require any more preparation than we would have for a public meeting, except to be behind the desk when the cameras go on and maybe stop and retake a point of somebody flubbed what they meant to say. Not too much extra work. I mean, you could do it and not report it and say that it didn't go very well. We don't want to broadcast it. We could kind of own it in a sense rather than. So, I think that it's a great idea for us to open recent years. I was going to mine. I think it's a great idea to do something on ACMI for the general public. But if you want to educate new town meeting members, that's a different discussion. They have to vote on this stuff. And so they need to understand the procedure and how the budgets developed and what they do and don't have control over. And that is seriously separate. So I'm not saying don't do all those things, but only get out of training new town meeting members. Well, we don't usually train specifically on the finance articles. We train on the process. So if you want us to expand that, I'll see what we can do. But it's a jam packed dollar and a half. And I think I'm the only finance committee member involved with it. So, would it be something about, could it be something where we take up, we offer an extra half hour that you run? It's not added to your burden and that group is that we create our own and you piggyback. Exactly. You're having a separate agenda item where finance committee members come and answer questions and present information either, you know, two hours of a long time, but we can tack it on or we could do something slightly separate and I think we'd still get none. So probably usually have 30 people who are new town meeting members show up. They're terrified. So they want to find out. It would be helpful for even existing. And existing town meeting members show up. There's instead of on day 10 of town meetings standing up and asking, what is this? Right, what do you mean by one term statement? Right. Being able to say before we even open town meeting, what is this? What is pay? We're going to say. No, Carolyn and then now. When is that meeting that currently has? So, so we do an after the election, but before town meeting starts, it usually depends on the availability of those of us who are going to need it. It's been pretty close to the start of town meeting the last couple of years, like the week before. So the timing is good for us. But let me go back and from my computer and sending mail or something like that. Yes. Thank you. Is it on a Saturday or Sunday or is it in the evening? It's usually in the evening. And like I said, it's when we record it. Oh, all right. Right. Okay. So, and that's the idea. And you do get a lot of questions, which is why it fills. Maybe one thing we can do a little bit more of is what we do already and add the comment section at the right under our motion. And so usually just a sentence or two. And I think it probably just takes the wind out of a lot of a lot of discussion. You know, maybe we could expand that a little bit. The select one go too far. I mean, their things are 20 paragraphs long, but a lot of ours, maybe we could add some more comments to some of the other articles, beef them up a little bit, no more than three, four sentences max, because otherwise they won't read them. It's easier for them to ask questions at town meeting. But maybe we could glue it out a little bit more. And that way they have it, you know, a week before town meeting and there's the answers. I mean, that's a good idea. Any other comments, Jennifer? Yeah, I just want to say that it's not always just about somebody not understanding something, but it's, you know, town meeting is one of the opportunities where people have to ask their particular dietary items just because there isn't any other opportunity. It's not the best opportunity. It's not that place to do it, but they're really given any other sort of opportunity if you want to know how much they spend on salt, for example, or something like that. I need percent of the questions on the budgets have really nothing to do with the budgets themselves. They don't, but there isn't really a good opportunity, right? They're not like a time that your doesn't make yourself available for a day to answer questions, finance can't be so available. So it really is her work's work. Well, this is a way to get people to ask those questions answered without taking up time on town meeting if you don't need to put it that way. This isn't to show any debate on town meeting for. It's just to cut down on the questions that could easily be answered. And maybe people aren't even asking them for a town meeting, because they just aren't comfortable doing that, but they want to know. And that, too, is a sort of thing to show the people. So these are all good ideas. Annie, you'll find out. I'll start out thinking about what the options are. And I think Harden says all of the above. Everyone can say that Meen and I can reprise the Meen and Annie show. That was a good time. How do people feel about they weren't articles about starting town meeting at 7.30? Do people care enough that we should take a stand on it or what? Which I did. It wasn't in short. Yeah, the starting town meeting at 7.30 rather than 8 o'clock. Dean, Jordan, and I went. I think that as long as the town moderator continues to enforce the rule on when substitute motions have to be on the chairs, starting at 7.30 has become a largely irrelevant action. I mean, I've always correlated the pre-town meeting finance communities becoming like snooze-fest. I always thought it's the fact that those substitute motions have to be on the chair, the whole meeting before. And so at current in the past, you could wake up on a Monday of town meeting and get blindsided by noon that something was going to be on the floor at town meeting that night. That doesn't happen anymore. And because it doesn't happen, there's no way an emergency finance committee meeting would have to occur before a town meeting. We would need like 48 hours notice that something was coming forward. And so I don't think it's the big deal it used to be because I think the facts have changed under why. Jordan. Maybe that answers my question, but is it really consequential to us? I know we typically have our meetings at 7.30 to 8 beforehand, but does it really affect us that much if it moves us back 30 minutes? In the past, we've had more members with small kids. And so in there, in that case, it does. They're more about just trying to get through dinner. Right. And yes. When you think, let's just say, if you work in Boston and you don't get out until five, then you have to find your way from Boston to home and then presumably have dinner with your family before you go to town. If I ask me and then town meeting and then get home at 1130, 11 o'clock. So for people who have a family, who they want to have dinner with, it may be whoever family and who aren't working remotely. Right. And then probably not. Michael. When I was a new town meeting member, I appreciated the opportunity to get what seemed to be a relatively late start for an 8 o'clock town meeting. I was home for dinner. I was home for homework time. I was almost home until bedtime. And I think a lot of town meeting members with young kids, school age kids still feel the same. I'd rather stay at the extra half hour on the other end and have that time before daddy has to go to another meeting. To people, how many people think it's better to start just a hand? How many people think it would be better to start town meeting at eight? And how many people? Two questions. Who would like Tommy to start 730 and who would like Tommy to start eight? Knowing that we would be meeting half an hour before. Do we have a don't care category? Yeah, some of us don't care and I don't want to go to final care. All right. Who would like Tommy to start at eight? Seven. Who would like it to start at 730? Two. Who doesn't understand? So then let's see. I hope she knows what I'm talking about. So the consensus is I don't care. Followed by eight. Don't change it and followed by half a break or death. Yeah. No one would stick to it. I'd like my idea, which is eight to ten. I know. I've been to that for everybody. I've not done it for nine, seven, 30 years. Jennifer, you need to put that forward. I want to go longer and get them. Oh, you want to get, oh, that last half an hour is the limit filter. Yeah. My concern is recruiting, recruiting people for finance meeting, recruiting people for town meeting. And I don't know. It would be, if I were not working able to work remotely, it would be a hardship for me to leave my office in cell station five and be able to actually eat dinner before going. And I don't know who we would be excluding if we did that. And I don't know whether we're excluding more people by starting early or excluding more people by starting later. So I just want to throw out there. Tara probably knows when we get to April meetings, I'm on the baseball field till seven 30 with my kids because baseball goes until about seven 30. And I call into the meetings when you guys don't have a forum. So meeting at seven, I mean, like, I physically wouldn't have somebody to pick up my kids from the baseball. It's just not possible. So you lose the parents that have the kids who are self-sufficient. But we can call in, I mean, that's the beauty of technology, right? If we have a seven o'clock meeting and you can take the calls, I've done the meetings from the baseball fields or the soccer fields, and that's fine. But it is actually as close as possible to get in multiple places. Right. All right. So I think that's if for the warrant, I will have the town manager in and ask questions about what we've covered. And again, that's on the 13th. Just scheduling. Who, so we're not meeting on the 14th and we're not meeting on either the 19th or the 21st. So our next meeting will be the 26th. Does anyone think they may have budgets on the 26th or the 28th? We can start up on this for sure. I don't know if we can finish off that day, but we'll need to make it out of this. All right. I hope that you could visit the strategy plan. Yeah, great. All right. So that hopefully will be the last week in February. So I'm right now on March 4th. Are you still playing reclass on? Yes, we can do reclass on March 4th. And we could do, I just sent an email out, we could do insurance on the 20th. Yeah. Is that what the email says? Yeah, great. That means that water and soar can be done on the 20th. The insurance numbers to the issue. All right. And I get it. All right. Oh, we need to send, Karen needs to send you insurance numbers once you have something. Tell me about that before. So if you two can, yeah, just talk about what you both need. They know that too, but last year, it didn't happen. I had a little rest, I think. But they know. I mean, I asked them, they just never sent numbers. And we're having a library director on the 4th. Will you be able to do events? Yeah. Yeah, reclass will be the same day as you know, sources. Okay. So that's back in February. March. On the 4th, on the 4th, the same day as the library. No, no, no, reclass we can do as early as the 29th, right? Not until the 4th, after the 29th. We're meeting on February 26, February 28. So, yeah, when is the new reclass? It's on the 20th of February. You asked about the week of the 26th. Sorry. I just actually, if you have your email open, I send emails to you. I'm a beginning. Well, okay. So the library director will be in on the 4th. Capital planning is the 6th. Minuteman is the 11th. I assume we're going, we're starting at 730. Yeah. The manager will be in on the 13th and soon by way of people will be in on the 13th as well. And so will community preservation. So should I ask them to come later? Or do you want to do them first and then the town manager? Let's, because I said, I confirmed eight with them, but let's talk with me. Water bodies will be in on the 18th, right? That's still, that's still happening, right, Carolyn? Water bodies on the 18th. And the schools will be in on the 25th. Have you heard from any committees or commissions? Yes. I have heard from, I have heard from, so the scenic by ways asking for more and then three others that are not arts and culture, not asking for more tourism and economic development, not asking for more zero waste Arlington, not asking for more. Shall we vote those budgets now? And conservation commission will come the same day as water bodies. And we're going to ask on culture and there's one of the committee that's a lot of money. So is human rights or disabilities 20, 25,000? We weren't going to ask culture or their level. Yeah, their level funded. All right. We, if everybody, we've always said, if they're not going to raise it, we don't want to see you. Right. But there was two groups that, because they're, but their committee was fairly big by culture, arts and culture and one other. It was, this is great. There was historically, because years ago, they had arts and culture came up with how many, because I'd asked the question before I was on this committee. And you had the answers. They had increased, they'd asked for more. And you would agree and said, but next year, we have to see something, something. And so it kept coming up. And I think the past couple of years, we've said once it's more than 10 or 15, once it reaches a certain level, we would want them to come and answer questions. Yes. But I think, I think I thought this year that we determined that arts and culture, if they're level funded, we're okay. We're just going to hear the same feeling. They always bring 20 slides. So no questions. You know, they're, they're not asking for an increase in their funding. And I think our experience is they're never going to decrease it. Right. Although our experience, I will say with disability is we didn't keep having coming in and we did do decrease it last year. So it is possible to decrease it. Never mind. I can get it. I'm just saying that I, I'm comfortable. Yeah. So, so, all right. So arts and culture, the commission on arts and culture is asking for the same amount they got last year, which was pretty much the same amount that they spent in the year before. And in the bulk part of, right. So 35,000 last year, the actuals of 23, the 34th, 35,000. So who, who feels that we should have them in to discuss their level? Charlie? So thank you. I like the question is, who is concerned about how the arts and culture people are spending taxpayer money? For me personally, I was last year and the year before. Last year, they came in with a very good presentation and I felt that I was comfortable with how they were spending money, but that's me and I'm opening up to people. So what I'm saying on an ongoing basis, how do we be giving any organization $35,000 a year or $50,000 a year is dispersing the taxpayer's money to people, private people. And, you know, how do we know that it's being spent? Well, we don't know people. How do we know that? Well, we've just done it because they were the two large ones. We can't spend our time on $3,000 and $2,000 budgets all the time, but I think we should at least we could ask for a budget, right? Ask for a budget for arts and culture and ask it for a commission on disability. Those are two bigger ones. And to be honest, asking for the budget, I think, can be very good for them. So Andy, will you ask them for a budget? And Sophie, will you ask the facility? All right. And who else to be here from? Let's see. Oh, sorry. One quick question. Sophie, are they asking for an increase? You know, I haven't gotten an answer. I'd love to. Okay. Okay. Are you asking the Harry Barber? Am I asking Harry Barber? Or somebody asked me. I will add that. Oh, yes. Let me add that to the list. Okay. So, well, I guess, oh, right, because they're not under this list. They're on the Warren articles. That's right. Okay. So the other ones, we've heard from scenic by the way, they're going to come in when the Community Preservation Act comes in. And then tourism and economic development, they don't need an increase and neither does zero waste. All right. So let's talk about tourism and economic development. They're asking for 4275, which is what they got last year. I would like to hear that tourism and economic development and scenic by way and 250th anniversary groups are working together well. Tourism 250th and who else? They're all related. So would you like them to come in? Yeah. So who was a kind of tourism? Tourism is Angela. Yeah. And then scenic by way is for Clarissa 250th. Is that in here? Oh, that's a Warren article. Okay. Do you want me to ask to see if Angela can come in on the on the day that the the 13th? Yeah. Yeah. So zero waste for us. Level funding at 3,000. How do you feel about zero waste? Is there a motion that approves zero waste if level funded at 3,000? Second. Second. All right. Any discussion? All right. All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Not adjourned. Yes. This is a matter of policy. It might be, I mean, I thought I was suggesting great that they don't have to appear it, but presenting a budget in new appearance would be a, I mean, that might be. I hate to do it for $3,000 for the last one, but if we do it for one, maybe it's nice to have in some big policy. That's all I'm thinking. I think it's great to have them submit a budget, but maybe not the program. Who else? Just the four. So yeah, just those four. Can you get in touch with everyone again and say you want some form of budget? Yeah. And again, you have until you have until I told them this Thursday. This Thursday. What's the date for the budget? Um, give them another. Let's have it before we need it again. So give it, give it, give them until the 22nd. 22nd. Okay. So they have this week and then they have next week, but next week is the vacation week. I'll ask. Oh, yeah. So, so each one of these, make it to the 26th. 26th. Okay. They have to invest a budget by the 26th and tell us because we're going to take a vote on the 26th. Okay. And what do I threaten them? We're going to take a vote on the 26th. The 26th with no funding them if they don't give us a budget. Okay. Okay. Okay. I'll pass. Oh, Jordan. Yeah, I'm wondering, is part of the budget maybe just like a quick paragraph or a narrative for what they've been up to or how they plan on stepping in? I'm sure that kind of goes with the budget. But for some of the ones you may not necessarily hear, maybe just a quick narrative that just explains what they're up to. Yeah. We're going to get into the, you know, what's an adequate budget and what's not. How are they spending their money? That's, that's, that's really what we want to know. How are they planning to spend their money? Yeah. So for them, Josh. That's going to say in the description more than expenses or otherwise in the class. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a good idea to ask them all for budgets, but I do have some hesitation that since these are all committees we're asking that they then have to draw something up and then they have to meet with their committees and I know some of the groups I've been with that could take them several weeks to agonize over it. Yeah. So I think a light hand would be good. I mean, if we get something we'd like to have. How are they particularly spending money? You know, how many? Three for you. Um, other than a 250, can we approve the other celebration and events? Veterans Day Memorial Day, Pickard's Day, that's kind of, when they see any reason not to do that today. And I told them that you're an idea. All right, so this is on page 19. And these are all, and I haven't heard otherwise, level funded. So the first one is to the parade, such as the Memorial Day and Pickard's Day parade. You're at the budget is five, six, seven. You hear a motion? Level. Second. Second. All in favor. All right. All right. Any opposed? We just wrote nothing. On page 195, celebrations and events, money for the parades, that can stay in the Memorial Day, if you'd say. Are you specifically referring to that? Um, flags on graves, we got to do this by state law. I've been spending $4,500 each year. Is there a motion? So I'm just going to second. So I don't know. All in favor. Say aye. Aye. Opposed? Town day. So moved. Second. Second. All right. Any discussion? All in favor. Say yes. Any opposed? I am going to hold off on that 25th until they come in on 13th. They're coming in on the 13th. Well. Oh, right. Okay. So tourism and scenic by way, I'm not sure. I don't know if it's responsible, but I think it is, you know. I don't. I will, I will look around for that. Allen, do you have a question? I thought Allen was going to say, are you working on a tour for the 50th now? I'm working on the 50th. I don't want to see the ball. Okay, I thought you were sorry. No. Okay. I'm trying to spend much more than that. All right. So we will meet next on the 26th and then the 28th. And it sounds like we might have some budgets. And then hopefully we'll have more committees and community missions to the trip. We'll just try to run through all of them if we can. And D.P.W., there are always lots of questions with D.P.W. Yep. Now it's time to look at the budget book and get your questions to Jennifer and Jordan. And facilities is next Tuesday, so get any questions for it. So the example is definitely. So. A bit of a random question, I know, but I learned about an hour before the meeting that there was a 2019 warrant article allowing the town to sell prints and artwork from the Robbins Library. There's a sale happening next week, I believe. And there was a sale that happened a year ago. And in the warrant article, it's or in the news article I read, it said that there was the money goes to the general fund. Yeah. But that there was going to be talking discussion about allocating it. Back to the libraries and I know you guys have talked about, you know, a new position maybe that was wanted at some point in no way. Is there some connection between there's been a changeover in town government? I know since then, but do we track any of that as finance money, of going money? No. Let me do the ask her how much money. Oh, you're going to sell something. How much money are you going to make? I forget the numbers you gave me. I could look it up. It's very little. Mostly they're trying to get rid of them instead of the storage space bag. It's not primarily a money making thing. Yeah. I could find out because I know we asked how much money are we going to make, but just technically they had to sell them. Right. I mean, I know there was a curator at the MFA that I know that texted me. Did you know that you guys were selling these nice prints and stuff? So I don't know. They weren't on. Yeah. They weren't picking up space and they were not precious. And the other thing you got to keep in mind is it's four-packed money. You can't put it in the personnel anyway. So. Tofer and then Carolyn. I was going to say that he spent a lot of these things for pictures, but we're about that. This came up in our precinct. We went out right up to nothing. There was a library trustee there, a fellow precinct company member who was able to explain this because people were like, my God, they're showing off all the artwork. Yeah. And it was like, no, it was a fire hazard and storage pin mapping. I'm assuming these are the ones that you pen borrow. It's like borrowing up. Oh, it's not even those. No, this was a collection. Somebody left to the library. Oh, okay. And it's not very valuable. Therefore, and it was taking up space. Yeah. But lots of stores. Right. So they need to. Okay. They need the specters. Anyone have anything else? Is there a motion to adjourn? So there's a favor. Say bye. All right. I'll call it. It's great to adjourn. Thank you.