 Susan Shaw who's now Susan D. Martini had got one of those I forget you would do those p-touch label makers Yeah, and she got one of them and she was you know printing out labels of stupid things and then sticking them everywhere you know in other people's offices and she Printed one out that said I'm gay on it and put it on my delete key or something on my keyboard Okay, and I you know I didn't think anything of it one of the IT guys I don't know how it came about But was talking about me was Susan goes and says I thought David spark was gay and she goes No, why do you think that he goes? Oh, it doesn't say he's gay on his keyboard Susan's like, oh, I'm sorry. I'm Right, you know not usually the way people announce these things Like you thought No, no, we were just playing a game that was not meant to be taken literally It's not reading my keyboard Was the pen test You know who was it was do you remember Freddie? I can't remember the last time Police officer. He was an IT guy. No, no, you're thinking of Freddie Wu's buddy who I know I wouldn't I know who you're talking about became a Oakland PD officer. No, no, it's San Francisco Freddie became a San Francisco PD He did I thought he would only become a sushi chef Maybe he's both guys I was in the Castro district when Freddie Wu saw me But I was he was he a sushi chef at the time But as a dread so all of a sudden a cop shelling me. Hey David. I'm like what you know And it's Freddie. He's he's the he's the police officer sushi chef the blue fin and blue That'd be a great combination. Yeah, I mean seems like two good skills to have the security protect the civilians and make good food To protect and serve delicious sushi I really sure hope that people who are paying extra for this feel they're getting their money It's Stop making them evaluate whether this Obvious it's very very rewarding I've never heard of modeling Sales tactic I'm telling you the time change has got me a little weirded out on this Monday Did anyone else wake up at 5 a.m. This morning? We got two minutes till the show Was kicking me in the rib cage We should make it 21 the 30 UTC or right? I can say that I'll say that But I can What I'm asking is if that's correct. Yeah, it's either 20 or 21. We went through this last time what it was Yeah, so we need to make it's not 22. It's 20 or 21. All right because it has been 20 up until Today I know and that's why it was so confusing to us last year because we were like fall back though But now it's 21. Oh, so do you do you because we fall back, but they don't About eradicating the daylight savings Say what about we're eradicating daylight saving It's a California measure They should eradicate standard time and Keep daylight savings all the time or just make daylight one of the other I don't know what it was. It was one of the other eight. Well, but daylight savings is the better one So the one that we want state makes a decision on it, which I know Arizona has then how are you supposed to keep straight like You know, I'm cool with west coasts this time Central and you know east coast or mountain for them are but to know it state by state. That's gonna get a little confusing Thing needs to be a federal Arizona and Hawaii have both not changed Yes, we are you know that the David we can continue talking about daily saving time after this Time is very exciting. Let's pick this back up in the post. That's Eric. Can you read line three, please? I can. Yes. All right. Here we go three Two one Thanks to everyone who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash supports This is the daily tech news for Monday, November 5th, 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane and I'm Roger Chang from somewhere on the fringes of the LA County area He's our producer joining us today David from spark media solutions and co-host of the CISO security vendor relationship podcast and series Welcome back to the show David. Good to have you man. It is great to be back great back Pretty much. It's a kind also the ZDTV tech TV reunion too. It's true We all were tech TV employees at one time So it's it's it's fun was fun little fun reminiscing going on in the pre-show if you're a patron you can check that out We're gonna talk with David a little bit about some of the cool stories He's got going on in the chief information security officer space things like using open source to market instead Of spending on ads, but let's start with a few tech things you should know Verizon is re-origin into three divisions consumer media and business now network IT and corporate functions will be centralized to serve all three new Divisions the consumer group will include consumer wireless wired and wholesale service The business group will handle business wireless and wired as well as things like enterprise internet of things Telematics and edge computing and the media group will include content outlets like Yahoo TechCrunch and the Huffington Post as well as the Advertising operations the oath name for this division will be phased out. We hardly knew ye When I read that I was like, oh, yeah oath. It was like one of more of those Yeah, I completely forgot they did that now. There's no point of me remembering that Bards a noble released a nook branded 10.1 inch Android tablet It has 32 gigabytes of onboard storage and a 1920 by 2000 display with 224 pixels per inch goes on sale November 14th For a hundred thirty bucks Nikkei reports ten inch tablets. There you go Nikkei reports its sources say Apple told its manufacturing partners not to increase iPhone 10 our production lines From 45 to 60 and you might say what do those numbers mean? Well, the increase would have added 100,000 iPhone 10 our units per day The same sources say that Apple increased orders for iPhone 8 and 8 plus units by five million and Intel announced its 14 nanometer Xeon Cascade Lake server processors current Xeon processors have about 28 cores on a single die Not about just exactly 28 cores the Cascade Lake series will have 48 cores on Multiple dies in a single socket similar to AMD's epic line Two of these Cascade Lake chips could be installed on a motherboard to give you 96 cores total and can accept up to 24 DDR4 RAM modules That means you can get up to three terabytes of RAM or use Intel's obtained chips And you could have 12 terabytes of system memory Intel claims Cascade Lake performs 20% better than previous Xeons and 3.4% better the AMD's epic for certain tasks However, AMD is expected to announce new 7 nanometer epic chips on Tuesday All right, let's talk a little bit more about the reviews coming in for the iPad Pro the new iPad Pro from Apple the reviews have been published because embargoes have been lifted Monday it was a plethora of them and Results somewhat mixed overall positive So we'll highlight a few of the main points the new design and slimmer bezels got pretty high marks across the board as Did the liquid liquid retina LCD display? Which many a publication said was you know the best iPad display ever the Apple pencil to mostly applauded Whereas the Washington Post said quote $130 Apple pencil stylus available since the original also joined in the makeover an artist friend who drew me a quick illustration on the new pro with an app called procreate Raved about its increased responsiveness of the reviews There were some gripes about face ID when holding the device But tech radar said quote the good news is that the iPad Pro 11 doesn't deed possess a half decent camera on the back With the 12 megapixel sensor capable of taking more than acceptable low-light photos with rich enough detail when zoomed in The larger display does make a good viewfinder and if you're doing something scientific or technical You'll have some good quality visual data to work with that was something that I You know besides this sort of ha ha someone's taking a photo with their iPad at a concert type thing that the cameras were not Totally up to snuff with smart phone cameras So it sounds like if you're going to be using an iPad Pro for this reason then It's it's good to have a camera that that is actually in the mix with the best of the best The big question everybody wants to know is if this really is good as a laptop replacement And and most of these reviews said that the processor was snappy You could switch back and forth between apps really well But the big downside is you're still in iOS you still got a mobile browser Sometimes when you click on links it opens an app Which is an ideal in a PC situation and a lot of reviewers mentioned that they still needed to go to an actual PC To do certain things especially in a work environment I mean David What do you make of all these different iPad Pro reviews or what do you think of the iPad Pro? well My first response was the comment about the the stylus, but I'm also interested talking about the the sort of computer replacement One is that you know this hundred and thirty dollars stylus as I understand the new one does not work with version one and the version one Stylus does not work with the the current one and just this pattern of oh by the way that thing you bought very recently It's now obsolete What I I get a sense is it's like dominate tricks and submissive quality between Apple and its customers as in You're gonna buy this a hundred and thirty dollars stylus and you're gonna love it Whether you like it or not kind of thing and they're gonna you know they're gonna be irritated by it But they're gonna say thank you we love it regardless You know because of sort of the relationship that's been built with Apple So that was my kind of first take of that but that's not unlike a new iPad Just having a really cool feature that older iPads don't support it just happens to be something that's separate from the the unit itself It's a physical device a digital device So it's just my attitude is whatever the cost of this thing is just add a hundred and thirty bucks You know that it shouldn't be at the cost without that price because you can't really use this thing without the stylus So there's really no point. Oh, no, you don't use a tablet out of this I don't know. No, but for this one in particular why someone would be getting this one you get the keyboard, right? That's true. Yeah, but the other thing is about the issue of desktop replacement I think the problem we keep having this this topic or notebook replacement Anyway, you want to put it is we keep having this discussion I mean, this is not the first time we've had the discussion is does this thing replace the desktop? It's because they want we want this device to act like the desktop rather than us Changing our work behavior for this smaller device or this more limited device or this device that behaves differently like opening up apps And you know, I'm always surprised that you must know Harry McCracken. Yes, you probably had Harry on the show before He he actually stopped using a notebook computer a while ago and does almost all of his work on an iPad Which I was kind of stunned by But he prefers to work like that So my feeling is a lot of the quote desktop replacement discussion really should be about Do you want to change rather than does the device have to change for you? I don't know man I Windows 10 or a Chrome OS tablet can can take a mouse and I can do a lot of the stuff and not have to change So why can't the iPad do that too? David should be on our follow-up to are we gonna post PC or a discussion? Yeah Chrome 71 is gonna block all ads on sites that consistently show abusive ads by abusive ads It's things like fake system messages automatically redirecting you to another page Trying to take your personal info like pretty serious stuff if an abusive ad is reported a site will be given 30 days to clean it up Before all the ads are blocked users of Chrome can also turn the filtering off if they wish The only downside here. I guess is you know, it's Google deciding which sites Don't get to show ads in Chrome and they've got a pretty dominant position with Chrome right now That doesn't sound like anybody has a problem with that No, I would like these ads blocked and I use Chrome. So good on you Don't you remember the number? I mean, it doesn't have nearly to the level it happens You know used to happen a lot earlier But the amount of viruses that we used to come through ads was horrific. Yeah, that was truly awful before It's not nearly to the level that It used to be well and as much as you can criticize Google for having a stranglehold on the advertising market in many ways I don't think this is one of them. I don't think this is your best argument Against Google because they don't tend to abuse this privilege They do tend to only really shut down sites that that need it But we'll say maybe this will be the exception and we'll get a lot of fake false positives and people complaining Let's talk about robots LG Robotics is developing a smart shopping cart that can follow customers through Korea's largest supermarket chain Which is called emart the cart will include a barcode scanner and display to show your shopping list as well as leading you to items That you might be looking for emart launched a store without cashiers in the Gangnam district of Seoul back in August No date on when the smart shopping carts might arrive in stores, but it's an interesting idea, isn't it? I I like the comment in the in the story. They said that it's it's for people who are too lazy Too lazy. No Not all no some too lazy, but they also mentioned the elderly too of course, which totally made sense There are lots of reasons that a cart might be you know, it'd be nice to have both hands free Right up in the engadget author came up with that's that's not endemic to this, right? I mean as far as but I that amused me regardless that laziness would be a sale sale for you know You can be lazy and go shopping. Although shopping is an active thing. Yeah I mean once you have multiple children and you're trying to manage them. Yes, I think after You know one or two kids is is manageable shopping if you're you're a parent with three-plus children You have to shop That becomes pretty tough. Well and or or and I've not been in an emart myself But what if a lot of the shopping experience it has to do with looking at a smartphone to figure out what's gonna go on your list, right? So the shopping cart that follows you and doesn't get lost freeze you up to do a little bit more of that If that's actually gonna end up into cost savings for you in the long run I also didn't get a chance to go in an emart when I've been in Seoul And I don't know how big their aisles are but I know that most of the stores that I was in in Korea had normal or small aisles and so Having shopped with a good old-fashioned manual cart the dance you have to do to get past people in aisles seems like it would be much more Complicated you're gonna need a lot more machine learning for these e-carts Understand like when to go past the lady that's shopping. Oh, yeah. Yeah self-driving shopping carts Yeah, the ethics of it all More complicated than it looks can I those throw up because you mentioned something sir I want to throw out a product recommendation. I know if you know of this app an app called our groceries Do you know this? No, I don't yeah, you're familiar. Do you use it with your wife? Yes? well What you mean by that You share you share you share an account you share a shopping list the idea is you share a shopping list and the idea is It's great because what I'll do is if myself for my wife are going out shopping Wonderful say I'm going shopping add whatever you want to the list and you add it out groceries in and automatically pops up Yeah, you can just press a button as you're collecting everything at the market But what's great is you don't have to manually enter everything because we usually end up buying the same things over and over again So you can just see on your list, you know milk eggs boom boom boom boom you add it to your list and then you can take it off We use it hooked up with the Amazon Echo right so you can just tell Amazon It's great. I tell Eileen just if you have anything to put on the list just tell the echo You don't even have to tell me you don't even have to open the app Still doesn't do it. I well I have I personally don't have any of those Listening devices in my home because I don't like to voluntarily bug my own house So I I've steered far away from those Yeah, I know you're with the with the the vetted recording of the Amazon Echo. I get it As blizzcon this weekend Blizzard announced a mobile version of Diablo called Diablo Immortal Blizzard promises a constantly evolving world and the chance to meet and socialize with other players taking part in events alongside a classic Diablo style gameplay set somewhere between Diablo 2 and Diablo 3 if you have No other context that that probably sounds to you like a perfectly normal game announcement and you wonder why it's here in the show Well, the trailer has generated hundreds of thousands of dislikes Accusations that Blizzard was resetting comments and light counts Accusations that Blizzard is out of touch with its own gamers. There were some booze at blizzcon an ex-blizzard employee and Diablo 2 developer Mark Kern Blame the backlash on how Blizzard teased and revealed the game Not on the game itself Kern said the game's fine But he said Blizzard used to understand that it's its base was PC gamers And they led people to believe that they were going to get Diablo 4 for the PC And when they announced a mobile game that isn't even coming to the PC people got up that really well And and were they right to do that because it wasn't as if Blizzard was like here's Diablo 4 the worst PC game ever It was something completely different Right, I mean we're talking about you know, it's like it's like a two different OS type of situation So, you know, are is the Blizzard community right in their fury here? Well, this is the other this is also sounds like a corporate decision of we want to force the community onto mobile because we want to build probably more on the mobile and there's gonna be a point of pain this definitely sounds like that point of pain and People don't like change. I mean that's that's something we've seen repeated many times in history. So People also have short memories. So my feeling is this community that boot it that are still Diablo fans will still play this game The question is will they evolve from a PC to a tablet slash mobile device? Player we'll have to wait and see Yeah, I think it's Specifically that Blizzard said we're going to have news about Diablo then a couple of days before the show They tried to play it down and say it's not gonna be the news you guys really you're excited about don't you know It's gonna be some news But they didn't want to undercut their own announcement So that it was a little bit hard to tell what they meant and then a bunch of people who wanted like a tease to Diablo 4 Right for the PC got a mobile game And I don't even know if it's about expecting people to move platforms as much as it is They made something for fans of one platform, but all the fans of the other platform were the ones in the audience Not in a post PC era say Diablo fans I think Scott Johnson has summarized this with a comic that he posted on Twitter Diablo purists and the Venn diagram of mobile gamers intersect in a very small area And and but it'd be Interesting you know mark this point in time we're we're in November 5th the question is will Blizzard be successful in making that shift away from PC gaming onto mobile which is appears what they're trying to do here They've been extremely successful with Hearthstone on on mobile Yeah, it'll be interesting to see if they're successful with Diablo immortal if the silent majority of mobile people make this a success Well, we haven't talked about Amazon in this show yet So now is the time sources tell the Wall Street Journal that Amazon is focusing on Crystal City, Virginia Or Dallas or New York as locations for its second headquarters HQ 2 as it's being called Although none of the 20 other cities that were under consideration Have actually been totally ruled out as of yet The Wall Street Journal reported later Monday that Amazon plans to split its second HQ between two cities Which would meet a second and third headquarters 25,000 employees would work at each location. So this is a big deal This is a big deal for those of us whose cities are not in consideration You're like, I don't know I just pick a city but for you know workforces in in in the area It is a big deal for not just outing a lot of jobs, but what would go into any neighborhood that surrounds this Well, I thought was also interesting with the discussion of the real estate developers either Developing or holding off sales, you know In the hopes that if Amazon comes in then it's gonna be you know a giant windfall for them you know, that's a very very risky gamble, but Maybe they've got some inside dirt that we don't have I want to give credit to rich straffolino who in our producer's slack for the show Said that with Amazon splitting the headquarters, whichever city says no no no We won't want it split you go ahead and take the headquarters will obviously be the true headquarters Because this is Solomonic split the baby. Well, yeah, yeah So if you want to get all the tech headlines each date about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines comm Let's talk about some of the stories that that David's been telling at CISO series comm that CISO series comm starting with a company That has decided instead of spending money on traditional marketing to do their marketing by contributing like legitimately Contributing code to open source projects Yeah, so this was the story of a guy by the name of Jeff Williams who had two security companies both in the application security space one called aspects security and that got sold to EY and then his new company contrast security, which is more a product-based Application security company and when he was with aspect that's when the application security market was just starting to grow and at that time the consortium o wasp, which was the open web application security project had started and He his organization Started, you know, the first thing that they did was they Provided the application web goat, which is this application that's designed to be essentially abused as you're testing the security of an application Yeah, and then they also created something called the o wasp 10 which is the sort of top 10 security protocols that you should have in place when you're Setting up an application, which is similar to the sands top 20. They got the idea from that But again, both of these were things that they did for the open source community and through that work And by the way, we did a lot of other things that were not successful in the open source Community, but those two in in particular Really got them an enormous amount of tension in the community so when he went to his new company he kind of Put that thing aside or that sort of that behavior aside and started to do traditional marketing But realize how incredibly difficult that is to do in an incredibly crowded space And so he decided to go back and they did do some open source stuff But then one of the things that they did is they actually released a completely free version of their security product But just for one application to the community and as a result they are able Because people are using the free version they able to you know, bubble them up to their enterprise version You know kind of the freemium model But the free version is not limited. It's just it's you know, it's limited in that It's it only works on one application, but it doesn't limit, you know by by time or anything or have certain features crippled That has allowed him to sell faster we're in a in an industry where the sales cycle is so long and more importantly just get kudos from the community as a result and that's been That is one thing that the people in the security industry have a lot of trouble with is Trying to get build trust because that becomes critical in security sales. Well, and there's so many there's so much good good Research about the you know, the the security of an open source platform because you got more eyes on it Would does he talk about getting any benefits from that as well? Just just having more users making it a little more bulletproof Well, one of the things he said he didn't talk necessarily about that But one of the things that he talked about is that the fact that people who used his products Or like the webgoat said that webgoat was the reason I got into application security So that you know the fact that there's sort of this sort of this warmth to towards him and his company as a result of that and then the other the other issue is just you know the fact that they were You know, their name just got around a lot more. They didn't try to distribute it under their own brand name they made it a product for the community with their name is just kind of a footnote into the development, but That's that's in that respect, but it's interesting I just recorded my most recent episode of the podcast and the guest there guy by the name of Richard Sireson Who is the former CISO of lending club? He made a comment about open source He goes if you are going to contribute to open source and I felt that something felt this was a very critical comment You must commit to open source because if you put something out there and open source and either Remove it from open source or fail to continue to support it. The community is going to start hating you. Yeah There's an authenticity to open source that is that required and you really you really need to be doing it for the right reasons a positive Marketing boost may be a side benefit and it may be one of the reasons you decide to do it, but it can't be the only one right no it but it You know one of the things Jeff said because we just want to make it clear to the community that we're passionate about this space Yeah, yeah, he felt that he would get a good market But he just noticed that the effort that he was spending in traditional marketing was having less and less of act Yeah, there's some really interesting stories that you're telling on CISO series and and I know now everybody's into the security the vendor space but it might translate across different sectors here what one is An article you did in an interview did with Alan Alfred of me tell about Deciding to try to bridge the gap between vendors and the people who buy their products who just don't want to hear from them By what did he do? He like set aside some office hours. It sounded like he set up he set up Office hours. Yeah, so his plan was and by the way, I can't I can't underestimate Or it can't overestimate. I'm sorry How what a big deal this announcement was he said I'm gonna set aside two hours Every week to talk with vendors the fact that is CISO and he's the CISO of my town The fact that a CISO was proactively saying I want to talk to vendors when pretty much the rest of them Just say get away from me Was such a huge deal. It was totally explosive in the marketplace. I mean it really was a big big deal It turns out that he spent even more time because he actually had a a budget planning Was coming up and so we actually ended up spending 10 hours a week for a period of four weeks But what he said and this is the part that I thought was very very powerful Most CISOs when they're looking for a new product Will go and talk to other CISOs the problem is you get yourself into a bubble Mm-hmm, and everyone's just using the kind of the same products and it goes. Oh, yeah, I like that I like this person whatever but at some point someone new has to break in because there's constantly new solutions coming up And it either requires a CISO to go out or someone successfully penetrate someone to go out Do that education and then come in and tell all the other CISOs Well the chances you're timing of finding all that information is very difficult if you're not the CISO Who does that so you got to be the CISO who does that and that's what Alan wanted to do and he felt this was critical Yes, he could have chosen not to do it talk to his CISO buddies and built a plan based on What is already out there? What is kind of already known? But he wanted to build even a greater plan and he wanted it a sort of a greater education That's why he forced himself to let vendors educate him and he felt you know He's better for it and his company's better for it as well He wanted he was the change he wanted to see in CISOs. Let's say exactly. Yeah Well, thanks everybody who participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on other stories and make it into either here or daily tech headlines Do it at daily tech news show dot reddit.com very active community there also active community on Facebook Facebook comm slash groups Slash daily tech news show. All right. Let's kick it off with amateur traveler Chris Christensen Who has a follow-up to using credit cards for travel? This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute first a heads up I suggested using a one-time use credit card for buying airline tickets And some of the smart listeners of your show have told me they have run into issues or known people who run into issues Where some airlines that I've never run into this Ask to see the credit card you booked something with or at least asked for the credit card number Which seems like it's going to get you into all sorts of troubles when you're buying something for your adult children As I've been known to do but apparently it happens in some places. So good to know This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler. Good follow-up. Thank you, Chris. Let's check out the mail bag What do we what kind of emails we get in here, Sarah? Oh, thanks for asking Tom Mike aka gadget chaser We did in our story last week about tablet sales slowing and why that might be Mike says it's my opinion that the reason sales are Declining all this time is that the manufacturers don't take the category seriously They don't produce it compelling devices which leads to decline sales Proving that they don't need to put any more effort into the category. It's a self licking ice cream cone That's a good one Mike. I hadn't heard that one before Mike goes on to say for me I can't find a device that suits my needs my current tab is an Nvidia shield second-gen It's getting a little long on the tooth and although I appreciate Nvidia continuing to keep up with the latest version of Android It the on-shield devices the two plus years old hardware can't keep up with it I love to get a new tablet can't find a decent device to buy. It's impossible to find a quality vanilla Android Seven or eight inch tablet. Why can I get one with at least four gigs of RAM and running vanilla Oreo or gas? Pie even very frustrating. I suppose we'll have to make a compromise at some point But I won't be happy about it. Have I mentioned it's frustrating Yes, he has and You know, we had that nook announcement, but that's a 10 inch It's a day as we talk tablets really moving towards being PC replacements means this other niche market if people who wanted seven or eight inch tablets It's kind of drying up and and it's one of those things where your market isn't there's not enough people like you that is Causing people to want to make this but if you've got recommendations for seven or eight inch tablets Send it to us feedback at daily tech news show calm Thanks for all your feedback and thanks to also David spark for being on the show with us today It's so nice to see you. It's been a while since you and I were on a show together Anyway, tell folks where they can keep up with everything that you're up to Well, I would number one I would just go if especially if you're in the security space go to please go to see so series comm subscribe to the podcast and subscribe to the newsletter as well you see it's up there in the upper right hand corner and My regular business is spark media solutions comm if you're a big tech company interested in learning more about that and then Also, I would just say if you're in Southern, California, I'm doing a great fun workshop called business networking pickup lines I'll be in San Diego on Wednesday and Thursday, I will be in Los Angeles and this event is free It's all for people want to learn about using humor in sales and my workshop will teach you the art of business flirting So not flirting for personal reasons, but flirting for business reasons the Well, here's the analogy the analogy specifically is when we talk about flirting in a romantic sense It is about in one definition or I heard that I like is about making someone else feel physically attractive That is sort of romantic flirting. Well, what if you were to take that into a business concept? How do I make you feel? Professionally attractive very interesting. So that's exactly what we teach check that out as well Thanks to all our patrons who support the show patreon.com slash dTns I've been mentioning that we've got some bonuses now once a week. I do an editor's desk audio monologue 15 minutes or so about how I go about choosing the stories we talk about on the show That's at the $5 level and we got this email from Chris who said I finally increased my contribution Starting in December from $2 to $5 a few weeks back I was in the Starbucks drive-through and while I don't buy Starbucks more than a few times a week I was thinking how I'd be willing to buy you a cup of coffee just to have a chance to talk tech So now each month one of you can buy an extra cup of coffee. 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So take off whenever you This go this run for nothing. That's fine. I mean I can be doing other stuff, too But I'm happy. No, I'm just sorry do people when they're watching this Do they send questions or comments like? Oh, yeah We get people in our discord and in our IRC chat or chatting along right now In fact, our we are title titles are selected from missions in the IRC Oh, is in is there a link to these things on your site or IRC dot chat realm net is the IRC channel and Showbot TV or showbot chat realm net shows you all of the Chat realm net. Yeah The super special people are in the discord though because it's connected to the patreon Roger Roger has passed No, don't say that. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, Roger has passed on answering your question. Yes. Okay. That's better We miss you Roger Fails to keep its oath. That's not it. We didn't really talk about it that much, but it's pretty great. That is very good But yeah, it was kind of a throwaway the ice cream coats pretty good title Was it Yeah, I did like that. I liked that one I liked that one a lot Mike When I first I was like self-lipped. Oh, yeah Enough but it very cleverly sums up it does. Yeah, yeah, right, right. Oh You get an Amazon HQ and you get an The ethics of self-driving carts is another one I like all right self-licking ice cream cone it is I love it Good work gadget chaser. Yeah So I I put in a secret $50 patreon level without telling anyone and gadget chaser happened to be in it already So started a text adventure game with me in the thread on the close related to it. It's been really fun. I Actually see in here, too that we have a your private driver column come into the website from Sakane right About about, you know ride hailing services looks like he's he's putting one together It's been it's been a little bit since we heard from him. So I'm glad to see that We worried about Roger has that? No, I think Roger is not feeling great and He has kids And it's like are you really gonna have a good day Rise and fails to keep Sorry Roger how old are your kids? Oh old enough to be a pain in my Well, they are cute as heck. I will say, you know, we rate dogs. We should do that for children and That I don't want to do it. I'm too busy, right, but somebody else Very very cute kids It Roger and his wife Equally have produced lovely offering. I had fun hanging out with Ellie yesterday. That was good. Oh, yeah. She loves Tom It's like another guy that isn't me How how apropos yeah, literally true I think it's like Tom is one of those people who's like He'll talk to a child as if that child as an adult because that's just the way that Tom is and I think kids like that Cuz kids kind of know it's like I was like the cool uncle who's not gonna like do like It's a cool uncle that doesn't have to hang around when I have a meltdown I He's not gonna do the kids stuff. I don't yeah, I don't do that I in fact, I probably should do a little more of it because sometimes I think I I talk in a manner that doesn't quite get my Message across yes But I don't know I Maybe would have been I don't really remember if my own parents did that a lot I'm sure they did but I used to really like my aunts and uncles that Like you could almost tell that they were childless because they would just talk to me like I was a contemporary But and I knew that that was like a little weird, but I liked it Yeah, your behavior is incongruent with the sit with the with the situation at hand haven't seen frozen great, let's talk Except I have seen I feel pretty left out actually so much frozen merchandise dolls Those what do they call those for kids rooms? They're like decals that you just stick on the wall. They're like stickers, but they come off It's a decal So many as you put them up and then she tore them back down She get to get with kids. Oh, well pay off. I think when there's no more social security or whatever We've already talked about this. You've done good Roger. Hopefully thinking ahead I got to make sure she has the skills to earn a living in the new economy Just stay on her good side Should put her on the track to become a CISO at this point From seesaw to CISO My claim for the playground to the corporate ladder. I like it. You already have a bio title for it. That's good That's in pretty good. Yeah being a cop I used to bug him to bring me like hey, can I get it? Can I bum a network hub off you? So I can plug all these things that need to review for the show which which makes it surprising that he turned into a police Just kind of weird, you know I I don't I mean I'd remember Freddie. Woo. I don't think it's that weird that he is in law enforcement It wasn't it wasn't weird, but I was just shocked that first of all most often police officers don't talk to me Thankfully because thankfully I haven't done anything horrifically wrong But he was just saying hello and so they just was a kind of more of a shock wait I like that you qualified it as horrifically wrong, which implies that you Nothing terribly illegal it's it's interesting because in many ways The whole ZDTV tech TV experience was like like another six years of college for me Except I pulled the paycheck Yeah, it was a learning experience Well, it's a learning experience a lot of the people we went we worked with we went to school with so it you know There was a there's a weird Constancy to it That wouldn't been different if it was just a job where I didn't know anyone I get that We got a lot of great emails from folks who use the Jupiter open source platform that we mentioned last week And we were we were almost gonna read one on on a show last week But I'm glad we we held off because we got a lot more. I was surprised just how many data scientists in the audience Responded like oh, yeah, I use it So I intend tomorrow to kind of go through and pick some of the highlights from the ones we got but I was really excited about that I'm right on Friday. Oh you did. Okay, but that we had enough time for Justin read one of them on Friday Yes, so that was probably the one that we didn't read earlier in the week Well, I'll look at that one and then I'll make sure I pull from the other ones that we got because I would like to acknowledge that as well Pretty great. He had some really good points It's it's always good to get that kind of first-hand take from people who actually use this stuff, you know, yeah Still I Can tell when something is legitimate To be excited about like I can I can sort of read this the tea leaves Because of which outlets write about it and what kinds of reporters write about it and what they say about it But it's it's sometimes hard to then turn that into a convincing argument to somebody who doesn't know about it So it's good to get it from people like no, I actually have my data scientist professional data scientists I use Jupiter and here's why it's great That's things since Diablo showed up on mobile. I Still I'm not surprised But I wonder and this goes back to the the point David made in the show how well it's going to do I think it's going to do fine Dots that you'll be a commercial success what's interesting is that for me, it's more telling of at least the kind of psychological divide between PC gaming and everything else. Well, what I was going to say is I don't think it's a representative sample of people I don't think there's that many people even have that psychological divide like really seriously I think it's just a loud a number of very loud people who are very angry and I won't take away their anger People that's a big group. How many they claimed according to the story. They claimed that there were like a half a million Dislikes yeah, well, they claimed that's not a scientific that's are not a scientific collection of numbers also Blizzard reaches billions of people so even then it's like and how many of those people are Going along for the ride to feel good about joining the crew and and and clicking dislike And then we'll go on to download that mobile game and play it enjoy it. I would say all 500,000 I don't know if it'd be that but yeah Mobile game play it and enjoy and then dislike the trailer Wait, you're gonna wait to dislike the trailer until after you've played the game. Is that what you're saying? Yeah You're like on a class year I am I I watched some of that blizzcon and I felt like Like my parents felt when they watched Me watching MTV going like what are those stupid kids doing? That's how I was watching blizzcon. I'm like, I don't get what they're so excited about because I'm not part of this Community, but they keep referencing the characters in all these games and the crowd went nuts completely nuts I mean, I have played world of warcraft. I've played Hearthstone I've been to many blizzcons And because I've only played the tiniest bit of overwatch and that was a couple of years ago when they started talking about overwatch I'm right there with you David. I no longer. I'm like, I think I know who that is I know a couple of characters are but it's I'm yeah, I haven't kept up What is the game of choice? No, not really I just I mean I enjoy playing games, but I I don't play them often enough and I I used to feel bad like I literally would feel bad like oh, I really need to play more hearthstone You're disappointing at that point play more destiny Uh, but I just you know, I never stick with anything for very long. I don't know what it is Well, it's a time commitment. You need to declare out your calendar. My point is usually people are saying I really got to stop playing this game because it's too good and I don't have time for it It's not about whether you have the time. It's just about whether you make the time There's there's very few games that suck me in like mass effect. Oh, sex me And so whenever the latest one and drama that came out I waited a year to play because I knew it would be a time sink and I was right I like every free moment I had I would play that game And I was like, I can't do this but um So how much gaming do you do now that you're a parent? uh, maybe squeezing like 15 hours a month at most It's really hard to play No, that's I mean the only game I'm very much a fan of the racing games Like I'm a very big fan of forza games But that's pretty much it. I kind of stop it the forza racing game. I like I like I like 3d platformers so anything like a tomb raider prince of persia or um anything with a really deep storyline so like Like any of the bioware rpg so Any of the mass effect, uh dragon What's the one? What's the dragon? That's dragon quest So, um Are you are you a completist? Do you need to finish the game? Yes? No, no, I will be only a completist if there's it's compelling enough storyline to it that I need to see the end So if it's like even just go online and find the video So that's what I do for a game. I don't want to play through I will go to youtube and I will watch the cut scenes. It's like, all right done Hey, everybody, uh watching video. Thanks for watching. Uh, I hope you enjoyed the show if you're listening to the audio Those stick around there's more to come Dragon age