 Please permit me to confirm that all the members are present. And please state your name or state your presence when I call your name. So, Grant Givian. Shane Blundell. Here. John Ellis. Here. Makaya Haley. Here. Sorry. Very Margaret. I'm here. Arif Padaria. Jonathan Wallach. Here. Brian Beck. Peter Howard. He's here, but he's doing something on my computer right now. Shayleen Crawford. Here. Here. Darrell Harmer. Here. John Dice. Ellen Jones. Annie LaCourt. Bill Keller. Here. Al Tosti here George Cozer here Christine Deschler here Dean Carmen here and David McKenna here so We have Peter we have one two three four five six seven eight nine Ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen members attending so we have a quorum So I have Fifteen are there Okay so good evening This open meeting in the orange and finance committee is being conducted remotely consistent with Governor Baker's executive order of March 12 2020 due to the current state of emergency and the Commonwealth due to the outbreak of COVID-19 virus in order to mitigate the transmission of COVID-19 virus We've been advised and directed by the Commonwealth to suspend public gatherings and as such the Governor's order suspends the requirement of the Open meeting law to have all meetings in a publicly accessible physical location further all members of the public or public bodies are Allowed and encouraged to participate remotely The order which can find posted with agenda materials for this meeting allows public bodies to meet entirely remotely so long as reasonable public access is afforded so the public can follow along with the deliberations of the meeting Ensuring public access does not ensure public participation unless such participation is required by law The meeting will feature public comment only in writing by email to eat diggins at town that are like in dot ma dot us This meeting is convening by zoom video app as posted on a town whose website Identifying how the public may join please note the meeting is being recorded and that some attendees are participating by video Conference accordingly, please be aware that other folks may be able to see you and take care not to screen share your computer Anything that you broadcast may be captured by the recording All supporting materials that have been provided members of this body are available on the town's website Unless otherwise noted the public is encouraged to follow along using the posted agenda unless the chair notes otherwise Before we turn to the first item in the agenda permit me to cover some ground rules for Effective and clear conduct of our business and to ensure accurate meeting minutes The chair will introduce each speaker on the agenda after they conclude their remarks The chair will get down the line of members inviting each to provide any comments questions or motions Please hold your name hold until your name is called Further, please remember to mute your phone or computer when you're not speaking Please remember to speak clearly and in a way that helps generate accurate minutes For any response, please wait until the chair yields the floor to you and state your name before speaking If members wish to engage in colloquial with other members, please do so through the chair taking care to identify yourself Finally, each vote taken in this meeting will be conducted by roll call. Thank you very much. Okay I think Alan Jones is here Peter, it wasn't on the roll call. Okay. And is anybody else here, Grant Gibby is here. Yes, Grant joined too. And John Deist also. Okay, John Deist and Okay, good. So Some comments as we get into the meeting tonight, we're coming down to the final stretch in The last thing we have to do is the finance committee report the town meeting but tonight. I think we will finish all the Votes and and and business of putting together the budget So I want I want to thank Everyone for the cooperation and support and energy that you've put into this process in the last three months. It's really been outstanding and very very effective and I Appreciate the support you've given me since this is my first time in this rodeo as chairman so Thank you very much for for everything I wanted to briefly report that I had a discussion with state representative Sean Garber Lee today and He has He was able to give us the most important numbers of the of the House of Boys and Means Committee version of the budget that's going into the Cherry sheet the this the cherry sheet at least when I checked around five o'clock was not yet completely published but Sean did confirm that Arlington would have the same Chapter 17 money and the same Ugo, which is unrestricted the general Counselor just the general government aid government aid As as was in the governor's budget Now there are a couple of subtleties to this He mentioned that every city in town is getting the same Ugo amount that hasn't changed but some cities and towns are getting different amounts of Chapter 70 money and Arlington's did not change but other cities and towns chapter 70 will be somewhat increased and these are towns that qualify under a program called The Student Opportunity Act which was passed last year and there was another acronym that he mentioned that has to do with this And so some basically it's it's some sort of a wealth metric and And so he said that the most of the increases basically have gone to gateway cities That have higher populations of lower income people and there may be later This year or next year additional funds for chapter 70 for Arlington, but first these funds are going to be distributed To the cities and towns that I just mentioned We will have more details on this as soon as the The state website puts up the the details of the cherry sheet So in any event this moves us to the position where we can vote the final portions of the budget so tonight Alan Jones is going to present the override stabilization fund and some minor budget adjustments Um, and then Al Tosti is going to talk about the real estate transfer tax And then we should be virtually done for the evening. So this should be a quick meeting So let let me move to the minutes Anybody have any questions about that by the way? Oh, I'm noticing that Select person Diane Mahan is on the video Diane welcome to the finance committee Peter do you note that? Yes So, um, Peter minutes from April 12, please Um, thank you They the minister circulated for comma and I got several extensive comments. I learned a few things um And I made all the corrections um I moved that they that the notes of April 12th Be approved as corrected Here Is there a second second? Thank you. So the minutes have been moved and seconded any Comments conversations or remarks or questions about the minutes Hearing none, we'll proceed with a vote on the minutes to accept the minutes grant gibbian Hi Shane Blundell Yes John Ellis Yes Makaia Haley. Yes Mary Margaret. Yes Areefa Daria Not here Jonathan Wallach. Yes Brian Beck Peter Howard. Yes Dalyne pokers Yes Darrell Harmer Yep, and Dice Yes, John Jones. Yes Annie LaCourte. Yes. Bill Keller Yes Al-Tasih Yes George Kosher Yes Christine Deschler Yeah Dean Carmen Yes And David McKenna Yes Thank you. It's the minutes are accepted unanimously Okay, so um Ellen, um, could you uh Please take over with respect to presenting your uh your budget summary and um also um move motion on the Overage Stabilization Fund and other budget items with the overriding uh Statement that we are doing this under the Dean Carmen budget adjustment um Motion or or practice Ellen Sure Thank you, Charlie. Um We're gonna Go from the ridiculous to the sublime um And the the ridiculous thing is that uh our Retirement estimate has been adjusted by Parac by $44 So I'd like to revote the retirement budget um It increases the contributory pensions to $14,000,041,972 With a total of $12,635 and $573 um So uh, and that's that's what you should be seeing on your screen. So I I I move $12,635,573 for the retirement budget Is there a second? Second So it's been moved and seconded any questions on the adjustments to the retirement budget Okay Hearing none seeing none Um, Grant Gibbian Yes Dean Blondell Yes John Ellis Yes Kaya Healy Yes Mary Margaret Frankelmont Yes Uh reef No reef Jonathan Wallach Yes Uh, Brian Beck Peter Howard Yes Jaylene Pocrus Yes Darryl Harmoner Yeah Um John John Deist Yes Ellen Jones Yes Amy LaCourt Yes Bill Keller Yes Al Tosti Yeah George Cozer Beth Christine Deschler Yeah Dr. Harmon Yes And David McKenna Uh, Charlie Olive Stain, please Okay, one abstention. All right, so Peter, uh, we have one, two, five, we have 26, 29, 10, 11, 12, 15, 15, 16, 17 17 voting in favor, none in opposition in one extent, one abstention. Do you have that, Peter? I got it. Thank you. Thank you very much, Ellen. Carry on. Okay, so now we're going to head into the appropriation of the, from the Override Stabilization Fund. And this, uh, shrunken figure here is, uh, Appendix C from the Finance Committee Report. Not showing, Ellen. You've still got the return on it. Oh, I do. Yeah. Okay, let me, uh, share again. Okay. Can now see it small, right? Yeah, can see. So this is Appendix C, which is supposed to be the one-page summary of the entire budget, that includes all the revenues and all the expenses. It's, it's Appendix C and the Finance Committee Report. And if you want to look at all the details, it's on the SharePoint site under draft budgets. So I want to take a, just a real quick walk through leading up to the Override Stabilization Fund appropriation. On the revenue side, this is where the main part of the revenue is the property taxes, where we start with last year's levy, add 2.5% new growth and the debt exclusions, and end up with a property tax revenue of $142,742,625. The next revenue source was school aid. Right now, we're not getting any school aid because that's all been paid out. The next revenue source is local receipts. And here's the detail of motor vehicle excise and all these things that add up to $8.8 million. Then we scroll down a little bit. This is the cherry sheet that Charlie was talking about, where the state gives us a lot of money and takes away some money. The big one that Charlie mentioned was Chapter 70, the school aid, and the unrestricted government aid. And these are the two that really make up the difference, and they've stayed stable between the governor's budget and houseways and means for a total amount from the state of $23,500,000 in change. On the negative side, they take some money away. The largest of that is the MBTA assessment, about $3 million. You take that for the money they give us, we have a net of about $20 million. That's the bulk of the revenue sources that we have to fund the town. In this section is the bottom lines of all of the budgets that you all have been working on in a one-page summary. And for example, the town manager budget, if I go back to what will the appendix be, that would be the bottom line here, 748-219 that gets fed over here. And every one of the detailed budgets in appendix B gets fed into this column. The budgets under control of the town manager under the select board, under the clerk, and then fixed budgets like insurance and stuff. The other, another way we spend money is through the warrant articles that are not the budgets. The big ones there are the capital plan, which we treat as a warrant article, Minuteman, and then all the commissions and committees and whatever, and then OPEB for about a million dollars. Up here we have the enterprise funds and being enterprise funds, they all met out to zero. So there's no taxpayer dollars except two of the enterprise funds require subsidies to balance their budgets. The council on aging transportation, we're appropriating $50 million, and Arlington Youth Counseling, we've recommended an appropriation of $120 million. Now we get to the meat of it where these are all the revenues that are summarized. These are all the expenses that are summarized, the town budgets, the school budgets, the capital plan and all the other things. And if we go down to the bottom line, we see we have a $6.2 million deficit that we have to make up. Now the override stabilization fund is the place where when we have too much money, we put it into this big bucket, and we don't have enough money, we take it out. Well, we're sort of near the end of an override cycle, we're going to be taking money out of it. So to balance the budget, we're going to take $6,243,212 from the override stabilization fund, which zeros out the bottom line to balance the budget. So my motion is going to be to appropriate $6,243,212 from the override stabilization fund to balance the budget. Second. No, it's been moved and seconded. Thank you for that very clear explanation, Helen. Let's see. This is where I live. So questions? Are there any questions about this process, budget, amount or whatever? Mr. Chair. Yes, Allen. I'm looking at the February 5th long-range financial plan and it's got about $5,009,000 and now we're up to $6,002,000, about $300,000. And I'm just wondering, is it anything in particular that where we lost the $300,000 state aid, is there anything you could put his hands on? We can look at a couple of things, go into some of the worksheets. These are, this again is sort of a summary of all the budgets we voted. And these are the budgets that were in the town managers, the paper town managers book and the changes that have been made. So for example, we took 1,175 out of the finance committee. We removed 10,000 from the information technology and it ends up bottom line in the budgets of about $388,000. So in other words, the difference between what you saw in February is that's reflecting what's in the town managers budget book, but doesn't reflect all the changes we made. Another part of it is in the ward articles where this is what we voted and this is what was in the town managers book and the distance there was actually a reduction of a little over $100,000. So what Sandy and I do is put the latest long range plan, which we just finished today and what we voted and I put them side by side and we have to do some corrections because the long range plan line items aren't quite the same as the appendix C line items. But at the end of the day, we both end up with the same numbers and that's the double checking we do to make sure we're on the same page. So to answer your question, the difference really is reflected in the long range plan and I can all the details here about where those things come from. For example, OPEB, we increased that by $300,000, that takes almost all of it. Well, it's really... Well, I mean, sorry, this includes the $300,000 for the health insurance trust fund that he doesn't count. Yeah. So it looks like the big difference was an increase in health insurance. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, if we go back to that. So I just take you on that quick tour to show how we sort of wrap all this up with Sandy to make sure that when we put the latest long range plan as appendix D of the finance committee report, they match. And also, it's a good... Again, this is... He's playing off one sheet of music and I'm playing off another sheet of music. We both end on the same note. That's a good thing. So, Al Tossi, any more questions? No, that's it. Thank you. So are there any other questions on the motion made to withdraw $6,243,212 from the Override Stabilization Fund? Al, do you know what the balance of the fund is? I don't. But give me a second and I'll probably pull up the... Yeah, the five-year plan would tell us, probably. Yeah. The long range plans are all on the, you know, again, the SharePoint site. You think about $18 million? Yes. It's going into the year with $19 million. Okay. That's good enough. Dean Blendell, you have your hand up. I do. Thanks, Charlie. Can somebody... Very helpful presentation now on it. As a newbie-ish person here, we're taking money out now, but can we just explain how money goes in, just through the basics of how the money goes in? Well, the tradition in Arlington for quite a few years has been to pass overrides, which are larger than we need to fund that year's budgets. And by design, the surplus goes in to fill up this big pot of money. And if we're lucky, you know, the plan is usually to fill it up for maybe three years. And if we're lucky and do something smart, maybe it takes, you know, four or five, seven years. But then the structural deficit gets to a point where we're spending more than we're taking with property taxes, and now we're pulling money back out of it. So we pass overrides that are larger than we need, fill a bucket full of money, and then take it out in the lean years. Thank you. The... Shane, just a little editorial comment on that. The basic reason is that if we were facing shortfalls every year under Proposition 2.5, we would have to go to the voters every single year to get their approval. In the meantime, there are all sorts of contract obligations, you know, with different unions. You can imagine all of the complex commercial operations that the schools and the town have. And some of these have cancellation clauses and all sorts of other things that would have to be addressed on an annual basis. And before we started doing this, one of the really bad things that happened is that schoolteachers were getting laid off in the spring, you know, and then somehow they would get recruited back in the fall. But, you know, it was just a tough situation. So this planning process, obvious that need. Alan, go ahead. Well, so this was just a picture. The green is the stabilization fund. And this is where we started filling it up and filling it up and then draining it off again. And you can see in 2024, it goes out of zero and there's nothing left to spend. And that's why we're talking about another override, which would, again, fill the bucket up some going to come down later. Thank you. You're welcome, Shane. Are there other? Let me see. I just lost my... I have a... Grant, Grant Gibby, and yes, go ahead. Occasionally, I keep losing the little thing that has the hands on it. Me too. Can't take it down. So was it fair to say that the amount that we're transferring from the stability fund would be the amount of the structural deficit for that particular year? Well, it's the deficit for that year. I think the structural deficits were, you know, long-term trends. But that's the deficit. I mean, this is this year's slice of the structural deficit. Okay. Thank you. Any other comments or questions? Yeah, Charlie. And then I see Shailene. First, Jonathan, then Shailene. Yeah, thank you, Charlie. Al, can you put that graph back up that you just had? Yeah, a second. I was struck by one thing, which is I just didn't know whether I was misreading it. This is the famous Arlington Visual Budget that Danny and I have been working on for years. Right. So we're not bragging about it. Alan, does this say that we're actually going to deplete the override stabilization fund in 23 as opposed to in 24? Well, 24 is when we will need additional money. Yeah. And Sandy updates the numbers behind here. If I, you know, again, if I pull up his, if I pull up the latest long-range plan, this is possibly more up to date. Well, it only goes up to 2022, never mind. So here we go. Five years. Jonathan, normally, so if we were running out of money in fiscal 24, we would have to have the override in calendar 23 prior to July 1st of 2023. It's always, it always gets a little confusing. Well, if you can sort of look at it. So there's 24 million of the override stabilization fund last year. We spend 6 million, takes it down to 18. We spend 7 million next year. It takes it down to 7. We spend the rest of it in 2024 and there's not enough left. So there's a $7 million deficit. So if we, if we weren't using this stabilization fund, we'd have to have an override. We didn't have to cut 7 million out of the budget. We're having override for 7 million and then do the same thing year after year after year. Yeah, I was, I was just, you know, this tells you how it goes. There's no green for fiscal 23 in that graph. That right after we've appropriated 7 million in fiscal 23, it goes to zero. So that's what it is. It's at the end of the, basically at the end of the fiscal year. It's after what we were appropriated in 23. Okay. Thank you. And there'd be a little bit left. I mean, if we, so here we can see an appropriation of 10 million. It's not on the screen. Oh, it's not. Okay. No, can't see it. Well, the graph isn't the long range. Nothing. Okay. Sorry. Seeing you, which is great. Okay. You see it on L? Yeah. Okay. So here's, here's the, the stabilization fund at 24 million. We're appropriating 6 million goes at 18 million next year. We'll have to appropriate 10 point something million that takes it down to 7 point something. Year after that, we appropriate all of that. And it's not enough. There's a $7 million hole. So before we hit that $7 million hole, we need to pass an override or reduce the budgets, cut the budgets. But that this is, this is the year that has the problem. The zero here is the graph going to the green part going to zero. Yeah. I'd like to make an observation here, which Alan or Al Tosti feel free to comment on. But I think a rule of thumb is that if we wanted to have an override last for three years, I think we'd have to, you know, that middle deficit there. We'd probably have to be the size of the override, I think. Would that be a correct assessment? That's a back of the envelope assessment. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Just as somewhere in that magnitude. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm not trying to do it to the last penny. I'm just commenting that, that fulfilling the $7 million deficit all by itself is helpful, but it doesn't get as multiple years. So the amount of the override has to be bigger than that by some amount to get rid of those three years of red that you see there on the, on the screen. Yeah. And if you, if you look at a no override scenario, we need to cut $7 million out of the budget here, which would make the $7 million lower. We have to cut $12 million the next year, which would make that lower. And they went to cut another large chunk the year after that. Just one comment. If you look in fiscal 25, the budget, the total property tax is about 152 million. We've never gone and override more than 10%, which would be 15 million. And you go down and we'd need an override approaching 20 million. The number is really very big. Now, you know, there's, I mentioned the other night that the town is expecting to get some, you know, there's this wonderful $36.7 million that's coming from the federal government. Most of that is probably not available for this budget, you know, the budgets that we deal with. Probably most of it is going to go to citizens, organizations, nonprofits, et cetera, people living in Arlington and organizations in Arlington, but not the government. But to the extent that the town has incurred revenue losses or other extraordinary expenses that have not been otherwise reimbursed, we will get some percentage of that. Some it could be, you know, I have no idea what that would be. It could be, I would suspect it's more than a million dollars, but I also suspect it would not be more than three million dollars. So that would mitigate that amount a little bit, I think. Yeah, but that's also one time money. And we all know you don't spend one time money on long-term expenses. No, but I still mentioned that this. So let's see. I lost the screen again. Hang on a minute. Shaylene, your hand was up. Yes. So since Shane was brave enough to ask a newbie question, I will also ask one. Well, and for a little while, I thought my question had been answered. And then I was just going to make a comment that I definitely think that Annie and Alan should brag about that graph. So that isn't even the coolest part. Then I'll take it offline to find out the even cooler parts, because I think that's pretty cool. I think while looking at that spreadsheet that Alan just had up, my question was answered in that this 6.2 million we're about to vote on is in line with what we expected. Is that correct? Or are we beyond what we had expected? No, it's within 300,000 dollars. That's what that's what Al-Tossi was asking about before. We were expecting a little bit less. There was an increase in the health insurance because of the number of employees and rates and other things that caused that to go up. 300. I think I missed Al-Tossi's point of like, what was the three? Yeah, that actually closes that loop perfectly for me. Yeah. I mean, it was, you know, as part of this forecast, we had 6.2 million coming out of the stable inflation fund. So you can see then in fiscal 23, we're expecting to need to draw 10 million down? Yes. And then the rest of it in 24. I needed that much help reading forward in this spreadsheet, but what can I say? It's my second year on finance. Yeah, I encourage everyone to get to know this spreadsheet intimately. It really drives a lot of decisions and illustrates the problem. I mean, if you eliminate these takes out of the pool of money that we've saved up, you have a really big drawback. Yep, definitely. And that's what the structural deficit is. We're spending more than we're making. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So I see no more hands up on the little screen here. Are there any questions from the members that aren't putting their hand up? Yeah, I have a statement, Charlie, if I may. Yeah, go ahead, John. I think it's important that the whole town has to make the case, the whole town government, including us, have to make a very strong case about this override because it's a disaster if we don't get the override. I think you're right. I think was it last week that was a bell month that had an override on the ballot and it went down, right? It didn't get passed. Yes, it failed. Yeah. And so they're facing, it's not quite the same size as the structural deficit that we have, but I think they're facing a big issue. This is a small town, I think. But unfortunately, it may be about the same size, I would guess. And so it's really important that we make the case about what's going to happen if it doesn't go, if we don't get the override. Well, it's also a reason to try to be, what's the word, conservative in spending too. Yes. Every nickel counts. Okay, are there other questions or statements or comments from anybody on the committee before we move forward on this vote? Oh, since we're making statements, I'd love to just say a couple words, Charlie. By all means. So I would encourage everybody to keep a cool head and not panic about either Bellmont's override or about, or facing. The nice thing about this projection is that it gets us a good advanced look and time both to consider our options and to communicate with the voters and the taxpayers and the people receiving these services about what exactly it is they want. So it's good to be thoughtful, but it's not good to say, oh gosh Bellmont's went down so well ours because they don't think you can pair either the moment or the dollar amount or the town circumstances to Bellmont's. We aren't going to be asking for an override when everybody is still in lockdown. So I shared with Charlie that when I was running a product development lab, I had a big sign on my desk that said it's never too soon to panic. And you know what I think is we should all go Google for Bellmont override, look at the yes website and the no website and the position the finance committee took and start looking at those things because it's not too soon to start both creating an override that we can sell and then figuring out how to sell it. It's not too early to start thinking. True, but that doesn't require panic. No, I agree with that. However, I think it's very important that the people of the town realize what will happen if the override doesn't go through. And we have the town, the entire town has to make that case in my opinion. Well, I think the presentation that Alan just gave, especially the discussion of the five-year plan but with the deficit numbers there is an excellent, what's the word I'm looking for here, real world demonstration of the analysis that George Koser gave us about six weeks ago. What you see there is you see the actual numbers, which I think is sort of interesting. George went through sort of a hypothetical or theoretical approach and this is breaking it down into real numbers. Okay. Any further comments? All right. It's been moved and seconded for the Finance Committee to vote in favor of withdrawing $6,243,212 from the Override Stabilization Fund to provide revenues for the town. And I would like to add to caveat that all the cherry sheet numbers are not nailed down. Finally, at this point, we still haven't seen the charges that the state applies, which is the bottom half of the cherry sheet. We believe that they're not going to change, but there may be some adjustments to the budget and any such adjustments would come under the Dean Karman motion and vote, I think it was two meetings ago. And this is the only number that would change. If the state takes another $100, we add $100 to this. Okay. So let me proceed with the vote. Grant Gibbian? Hi. Shane Blundell? Yes. John Ellis? Yes. Taya Healy? Yes. Mary Margaret? Yes. Arif Padaria? He's not here. Jonathan Wallach? Yes. Brian Beck? He's not here. Peter Howard? Yes. Shailene Pokers? Yes. Darrell Harmer? Yes. John Deist? Yes. Ellen Jones? Yes. Nitya LaCourte? Yes. Go to... Yes. Al Tosti? Yes. George Koser? Yes. Christine Deschler? Yes. The Dean Karman? Yes. And David McKenna? Yes. So the recommendation for the amount of $2,243,212 come from the overall stabilization fund to the revenue side of town budgets is passed unanimously. And I thank you all for the discussion on that. I think like several of the other budgets have been fairly substantial and are worthy of examination and discussion. So that's just great. Thank you. So the next item is we have a one warrant article that we have not made a decision on one way or the other or to report or not to report. And that's something that we heard from Jenny Raitt earlier. This I think was in, might have been February or early March. And that's the real estate transfer tax. So Al, you did some research on the status of that. Al Tosti, would you care to please comment on it for us? Yes. I originally thought that the select one were going to be voted on this this week. It turns out they voted on it last week. So the select one have voted favorable action on going with the home rule legislation for the real estate transfer tax. All this was explained in the email that was forwarded from Dungheim's to me to Charlie and I think was sent it out to all the finance committee. So I don't think I'm going to go into that detail. What's going to be happening is then this article will then go to the legislature. The legislature will then either pass or not pass the home rule legislation. It will come back to the town. This will have to go on a ballot question for the populist citizens to decide. And then town meeting will pass a bylaw to actually do the details and implementation. So we're not looking at this probably for a couple of years that it comes back to town meeting. Now a couple of decisions that somebody's town meeting is going to have to make. Is it the buyer or the seller that's going to pay this? I really don't see that it's much difference. If the seller's got to pay for it he's going to pass it on to the buyer. So I mean I can't see that big a deal. There's a range of interest rates which will have to be decided. There's an exemption that can be allowed where anything below like let's say below a million dollars can be exempt or below whatever is decided. So anyway and you all had a chance to read Doug's memo and the vote of the town of the board of select board. I don't seem to have gotten that out. I sent it to you all in SharePoint. I didn't see it. Through Outlook? April 11th if you're searching your email. So did I send it? Should I leave? I just searched my email and it looks like it came from Charlie to all of the finance committee. So this confuses me. It went to fincom at Arlingtonfincom.online and sometimes I get things at town and sometimes I get things at Arlingtonfincom. So I don't know if that helps anyone. You may need to log in to SharePoint and check your email if you know how. I don't even know if that makes sense. I just hadn't seen it. Let me add to that, Annie. The documents that Al included are the same documents that Jenny and her colleague whose name I can't remember right now used when they presented to us and they gave us the documents then as well. Go ahead, Al. I'm sorry. Okay. And it's a select board, Al. Right. Another two to five years. I'll probably get that down. And I'd like to make a recommendation. My recommendation is that the finance committee take no position on this article. I do that for four reasons. Number one, there's no appropriation. So this is a select board article. Number two, there's no broad tax impact. In other words, unlike the CPA, everybody was going to pay a certain piece. This only hits you if you're going to sell your property and move out of town and we don't care about them anyway. Just kidding. So there's no appropriation. There's no broad tax impact in the next couple of years. There's no impact on the budget. No general fund revenues are going to come in or out of it because of this. It doesn't have a short or long-term impact on the financial health. And this is basically a policy select board article. I know we've had a tendency this year to get involved in select board business, but I really think this is a select board article. It's not a finance article. If somebody asked a question about a tax impact, Charlie, the chairman could get up and answer that. So I move that we take no position on this article. Is there a second? Second and a quick comment is that I think that we tabled this because it was going to be sent back to the select board specifically for some types of appropriation. So nothing has changed in that respect. So I think it makes full sense to table one. Thank you. That's a nice cat. Yeah. I'll be your pardon. Your great cat is sitting right next to you. Oh yeah. One of two cats. The twin. So I don't know which one it is, but which one are you? Say hi. Okay. Let's get back to the cat or the hand. Thank you. Thank you. That was what I wanted to say. Any other comments on this article? Okay. So it's been moved that we have a no report on that since it's been in front of us for a long time. It's been tabled. Let's come back. I think we should just do a quick vote. Any more comments? I don't see any more comments. Grant Gibbian? Hi. Oh yes. I need no report. Correct. No report. Shane Lundell? Yes. John Ellis? Yes. Sia Healy? Yes. Jerry Margaret Frankelman? Yes for no report. Jonathan Walke? Yes. Brian Bexon. Peter Howard? Yes. Kayleen Poker? Yes. Darrell Harmer? Yes. John Dice? Yes. Al Jones? Yes. Do you report? Yes. Koehler? Yes to no report. Al Connesty? Yes. George Koster? Yes. Christine Dechler? Yes. Carmen? Yes. Dave McKenna? Yes. Thank you. So it's clear everybody's no report on that article. Okay. So we have completed the basic business objective of tonight. We are working on the finance committee report. You've seen a big body of work from Al Jones on the financial side of it. And tomorrow I'm hoping that Liz and I will be charging ahead on the Microsoft Word textual side. And there is a folder on SharePoint that says fiscal 22 report the town meeting in the FY22 folder section. So the information is going to be there in real time, both the budget side and the text side, so you can have access to it, to view it, make comments, etc. And I will be sending out emails to people at key points, asking for reviews. Now Al Jones, Alan Jones sent out an email about a week ago on the budgets. And I think, Alan, how many responses have you had? A few. When I put together like the final draft with all the formatting and stuff, I'm going to send that out again. And I'd ask everybody to just double check the numbers and think of headcounts, tell me about any typos. Appreciate it. Yeah, it's, I mean, I think Al Tosti can tell you it's a painful process to stand up in front of town meeting or in this case sit down in front of town meeting and go through, you know, eight or 10 minutiae changes to, you know, make things come out the right way. So if you can check all those budgets and other items in the report, that would be really helpful. Okay, any old business to address tonight that have been on people's minds? Okay, so we're going to try to bring the report to press. One comment that I wanted to make is that I know that John Ellis is probably going to want to whack me in the head on this, but I am going to, we're going to go to hard copy with this report for the town meeting members. Having gone through the full town meeting and watching so many people have difficulties with managing the town app and the zoom app at the same time, I cannot imagine how they're going to be able to be looking at a PDF on the screen of the budget and not have things just, you know, completely devolved into chaos. So we are going to go to hard copy and get that out to the town meeting members. And I think with this, the next meeting will be the opening night of town meeting at 730. We normally have a half an hour budget. I don't know what the program is this year for the state of the town meeting. If there's any, if it's, if it's going to start at eight o'clock as it has in the past, or it's going to start earlier. But basically, we have a think on meeting, usually every night of town meeting for the, for a half an hour before that. So any questions? Comments. Thank you all very much. Thank you for your support the last couple of months. I have to, I have to make one comment. And that is that this experience since, since last June has imprinted on my mind the tremendous effort and work and job that Al Tosti has done for the past couple of decades. I can't believe, I don't know, I can't understand how he, how he managed to do that. And, and that was, I think the, the technology that we've had this year with the SharePoint and some of these other features that the IT group has put up for, put up for us has made it a lot easier. So I just have to say that I'm, my hat's off to Al for all of the effort that went in prior times. So motion to adjourn is in order. So move. Second. John, you're saying, John is, John Ellis is, okay with Brendan. Thank you, John. Okay. It's always on recycled paper. Oh, thank you, everyone. It's been moved to second. Did any objections to adjourning? I hear no objections. So we are, thank you. Thank you. All on the other side.