 RCR with Paul Brennan, reality check radio. Friday morning, time for our political panel. Ghost that week goes quick, doesn't it? And I'd like to welcome in Olivia Pearson. Hi, Olivia. Hello, Paul. How are you? I'm good. With that sexy voice you've got today. Oh, yes, yes. How are you? Marty. Good day, Marty. Marty. Hi, Paul. How are you today? I'm good. And Cam. Hi, Cam. Good morning, Paul. How are you? I'm very good. Boy, a lot to choose from this week, right? Yes, just desire. Busy week. Busy week. On every front, tell you what really got me interested this week is Yevgeny. Is it Pregosin or Pregosin? Pregosin. Pregosin. Goption. I've been watching his videos over the time, mainly during that Bakhmut thing. He struck me as, how would you describe it? Quite well. He's obviously very hard. Well, he's a blowhard, but he looks like a tough man. Tough man. You'd have to be, wouldn't you? Well, you'd have to be tough to decide that you're going to take out the head of the Russian army in Moscow by de-camping from Ukraine, going back across the border into Russia, and then driving up the freeway. He's a toy. What's he used to freeway? It was Moscow, and nobody stopped him. That was, you know, that's what I found astonishing, that here he was essentially having an industrial dispute with his employer, and working to rule, and heading off to Moscow. Working to rule. He's kind of got away with it, because they said, oh, no, he's going to Belarus to go into retirement, and we're going to move a whole lot of his troops into the Russian army. But he's still alive. And Putin, from my viewing of it, someone might disagree with this, but he looks diminished as a result of this, because there was just no reply from the organs of the state in Russia against Progosian, as he marched up to within 200 miles of Moscow. He's too popular. Well, is he? I don't know. It was, you go, Marty, sorry. No, I was just going to say, de-camp to St. Petersburg, and I did hear rumblings that Stalin stayed even 28 miles from the German front lines. So there was the comparison made, I understand, in Russia. Yeah, it was made. But it was, it was shocking that he waltzed into Rostov. I mean, that's the HQ of where the war sport in the Ukraine, but he marched into Rostov with, what, 4,000 troops surrounding all the HQ buildings unblocked. I mean, I found that really odd, but maybe that's just trust. I mean, maybe nobody, you know, thought that he would do what he was going to do. But it wasn't a coup, nor was it a civil war as we watched the whole Western media lick its chops in anticipation that it might be, but it was certainly dramatic. He's a well-known loudmouth and has made noises that the war isn't being fought hard enough in the Ukraine and he's wanted decisive action to go hard and end it. But remember that in March 2022, only one month into the war, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators were discussing a 15 point peace deal that would have involved Kiev formally renouncing its ambition to join NATO and accepting limits on its armed forces in exchange for a ceasefire in the withdrawal of Moscow's troops and security guarantees from the West. But then Prime Minister at the time, Boris Johnson, went suddenly flying on the surprise visit into Kiev and talked Zelensky out of doing any peace deals, instead urging him to fight on. Boris made two points at that time, one that Putin was a war criminal and thus shouldn't be negotiated with, which I think was nuts. And the second that even if Ukraine were willing to sign agreements on guarantees with Putin, they, meaning the UK, Germany, France and NATO were not prepared for that. So there ended that potential for a peace negotiation over a year ago. How did he persuade him in one day? Probably flattered that giant ego, I would say, you know. Money. Well, he promised him full support with weapons. That's working out well. That's working out really well. So here, Progosian, who was, you know, is now disgruntled, sent 4,000 troops to go into, well, to march to Moscow from Rostov. You know, he claimed that helicopters were used to attack some of his men, I believe that's true when people did die, I don't know how many. But here's the thing, when Putin addressed the nation in that speech that evening, I have never seen him so incandescent with rage. Putin is always so cold and emotionless, but you could see his rage beneath his ever chilly exterior bubbling away. And Progosian called a halt to the Moscow march and the Wagner group are very popular with Russian people. They want an alpha dog, like Progosian on the ground in the theater of war and who could blame them. But there are other fighters in the Wagner group from Germany, from Serbia, other countries. Like the French foreign legion kind of thing, isn't it? Yeah, there's a French foreign legion. They're a private military contractor without their ears and graces of a black water or something like that. I mean, they're just brutal killers as well. Yeah, they're very, very hard men. And interesting that this whole deal has been done by Lukashenko, president of Belarus and Progosian. Apparently they've been friends for 20 years and Progosian and his fighters are in Belarus now in exchange for immunity. There's news coming out now that, well, first of all, let me say that there were huge rumors that the CIA were behind this whole thing. And I've seen a lot of Twitter with stories that really run the length of that whole narrative. But the thing that makes me mistrust that is, although I'm sure the CIA may have tried to have had a hand but you will never get past the Russian FSB. I mean, all their leaders are surrounded by FSB operatives. Anything to do with the CIA must be picked up by them first if they wanted to pull off some sort of coup, although I as I saw it was an industrial dispute. Yeah, but now the fog of war is so thick and, you know, you've got people like idiots like Lindsey Graham and Senator Blumenthal going on and on about how there's going to be this big nuclear threat from the Zaporizhia nuclear plant, which is under Russian control. But, you know, I mean, the Russians don't need to do that. I and it would be the other way round, surely. It was the other way round there are the hydroelectric dam, I think. Well, Zolensky's been saying that for a while as well. And if the Russians wanted to nuke anything, they just push a button. Yeah, this whole thing. No, they tried to attack that. They tried to attack that last year, I remember in September and even one of the UN guys from the Nuclear Inspection Agency said that actually it was in quite good hands with Russia and that the attack had come from the Ukrainian forces. There's just a lot of BS on both sides. But this whole thing with Progosian just remind reminded me of that that movie. Nobody with Bob Odinkirk is the main character. And he goes up against Julian Kuznetsov, the Russian mafia boss guarding the Obchak. You know, I don't know if you've seen it, it's hilarious. But but the guy who's the the the main Russian guy and there's a nightclub owning, you know, psychopath with all these hide killers all around and does all this crazy stuff. And it just reminds me of Progosian because, of course, he's got a background in, you know, entertainment, restaurants and all of that sort of stuff before he got into the Wagner group and all of that. But it just all looks very comical. I mean, you know, the for years, the the United States quivered in fear about Russia and in some respects, they still do. But Russia's military is not as good as they've they've either pretended they are or the Americans assumed because it's been a meat grinder for a year. And yeah, only one way meat grinder, though. Yeah, but but it's not only only a one way meat grinder. I mean, it's verifiable the losses of tanks, for example. It's really obvious. People who are watching these things that, you know, there's a lot of stuff that's happened that we don't know about. But, you know, the truth in war just disappears as soon as the shooting starts. Yeah. And I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not pro Russian or pro Ukrainian. I think I think there's a pox on both their houses and why we should care about this proxy war basically on behalf of NATO is is ridiculous. I mean, today it's been reported by the Moscow Times. Which has now run from inside Holland. They're they're a left leaning paper that's very anti-puting. But they were saying that Russian general Sergei Serovkin has now been arrested. No, so that yeah. And he was on Prugoshan's side and they're now claiming that there's a massive purge going on off the top military brass, which of course wouldn't be a surprise. Prugoshan demanded that the Sergei Shogu, the Russian Defense Minister, that he resign. Well, he hasn't resigned or he also wanted the general of staff Goromisov to resign. But what's happened is that Serovkin has been arrested. And he was, remember, he was the one who ran the whole war in Ukraine last year for three months and he was replaced by Goromisov. So it's a mess. But you won't detain you won't deter Russia without a proper peace deal that gives them exactly what they asked for at the beginning, and that's no NATO incursion. That goes back to Minsk. That goes back to what? No, it goes back to 2007. It actually goes back to Khrushchev. Yeah, yeah. Wasn't he drunk when he did the site that opposite? Well, I mean, it was something that the USA used to respect and NATO used to respect, but they don't respect it anymore. No one can blame Putin for being so antsy about it and starting a war in Ukraine. I'm sorry. I don't know if anybody's seen Taka's latest that came out yesterday. We played it yesterday morning. Oh, OK. Well, I mean, you know, this whole the USA and the NATO people and people, idiots like Lindsey Graham are going, you know, and Joe Biden, of course, we've got to protect Ukraine in the name of democracy in the name of democracy. It's like they are not a defining pillar of democracy, the Ukraine. They never have been. That's that that talk really annoys me. All right. OK. Glad we're not there. Oh, but what about the six billion missing? What about the Pentagon admitting that they had an accounting error and they were missing six billion dollars last week? Where's that money gone? Yeah, I wonder. Ukraine or it's gone to Lockheed, Martin Skunkworks. Yeah, UFOs that we don't know exist. And they're already here, apparently. Yeah. OK. So anything more to say about that? No, it was an industrial dispute. That's an odd term to use, though, can. Yeah, I think it's a bit more than that. Actually, it was a bit upset about getting a few of his troops bombed as conditions. Yeah, it wasn't happy with the way things were running. So we'll just withdraw from here and we'll just have a little bit of that line that his troops were bombed. I mean, we have no idea whether that's true or not. But who keys? I don't know. Well, we care because it's a world war. You can't be that flat, my darling. You can't be that flat. Yeah, OK. Well, as I said before, I've drunk quite a lot of vodka with Russians and Ukrainians, and they're both well, the ones I was drinking vodka with decent people. Nice, learned, thoughtful people. And it's a shame when they've got the vodka in. Well, maybe maybe it sounded more so to me at the time as well. Yeah. Yeah. If they can quote Dostoevetsky, then they're a friend of mine. Yeah. Chippy and China, China. There you go, Olivia. Did anyone in New Zealand know that our Prime Minister was going up to China to a World Economic Forum meeting with the villainous Klaus Schwab? I thought New Zealand leadership having any relationship with Klaus Schwab was a crazy conspiracy theory. According to Grant Robertson and Sean Plunkett, it is. Yeah. How rude was he to Peter Williams over that, Grant Robertson? But the thing, I mean, of course, he's meeting with Cheeching Pin, just ping sheech and ping, I've got to say that properly as well. And that's happened. But, you know, can you imagine a soy boy like Chipkins conducting monetary trade negotiations with a hard and old communist imperialist like Cheeching Pin? I mean, he'd be eaten for breakfast. So all we can expect is more sycophancy. Well, what we saw, though, is the insult to Hipkins from the moment he landed in China because he was met by some low ranking official in in the regime, right, not even the foreign minister, not even the prime minister. Right. So they sent some low level functionary out to give him the glad hands as he walked down the stairs of the clapped out Boeing 757 with its backup sitting in the Philippines. You know, I think of it. Who was that? I mean, just to segue into that for a little bit. Who was the fool in Hipkins office who thought taking two 757s to China or at least one of the most of the way as a backup was ever going to have good optics? For a party that has been pushing the climate agenda ad nauseam, talking about, you know, we need to do have taxes on this and taxes on that to do climate mitigation and all this. And here they are taking two of the world's worst performing aircraft in terms of field efficiency. That's not true, by the way. But anyway, China. Well, it is it is true on our planes because they're old and they haven't got upgraded engines. And there are no upgraded engines for that aircraft. Now, there are. There are upgraded engines that you can stick on them. And a lot of the US things are doing them now with their saving 25 to 30 percent. There is there is no update for the 757s, either Pratt and Whitney's or Rolls Royce's, and they don't make them the model of the engine anymore. So, yeah, it's a good, very good aircraft. They're very good aircraft. They're good aircraft, but ours are old and clapped out. And they were old and clapped out when we bought them from the Dutch. Yeah, God knows why we bought those cheap. Yeah, well, they went that cheap. Did you notice that Carmel Sepuloni just basically countered the cost of fuel and justifying it, saying that it was cheaper? Yeah, and then she said it was nine years of neglect while the planes are breaking down all the time. Well, they've been in for six. So they wouldn't be allowed to fly them if they didn't meet Boeing certification standards. They wouldn't be allowed to fly. No, that's right. I mean, they're not a bad plane, but they're not. Then they're not in any way efficient or there's no way that you can explain it away politically. Why didn't they just go commercial? There's flights every day to China from New Zealand and and heaps of other airlines that fly backwards and forwards between doesn't make him look so important. Yeah, but then you get met at the at the airport by a low level functionary there. So they're always already treating you with contempt. Of course. And then all of the state sponsored media in China starts lauding up how great we are because we're basically chugging the great lengths of Chinese sausage and and and sucking up to these guys. And and they're using that to say to the Australians and Americans, well, this is how you conduct diplomacy, just like New Zealanders. Yeah, good, hard swallow here. And we really are proud of them for doing it. So that's that's disgusting. You know, the the sycophancy that we have to the Chinese government. Because even even Nanaia Mahuta, you know, took her barcoded face up there two years ago. No, she didn't she was she was saying at that time as foreign minister that she was trying to signal to exporters that they needed to think about diversification and the buffering aspects of something significant happened in China, would they be able to withstand the impact? But this is just more locking more business for New Zealand. There's no decoupling going on, is what I'm trying to say. There's not even a there's not there's not a trace of that kind of speech anywhere, it's just further def genuflection to China in the name of free market. But there's no free market inside China. Everything is overseen by CCP managers and bureaucrats. And I want to say this, that for anyone out there who is under the delusion that somehow Vladimir Putin is taking on the globalists and the World Economic Forum goons to eliminate, eliminate work corruption in the class swabs of this world, lo and behold, I again make the argument that Xi Jinping is neck deep in the World Economic Forum and the surveillance, the eugenics, the big tech fascism, the totalitarianism. You know, central credit system, whole social currencies, everything. Fifteen minute city. Yeah, and the like and all this. China wants New Zealand to take off its take on its of its own accord. And it looks like we're going to and this is they are our overlords. They've locked us like wedlock into trade and it's all money, money, money, money. And at least Australia took at least a moral stance when they pushed back against China's hegemony into their economy. We are not anywhere near that. Nobody in New Zealand speaks that language and that frightens me. No, it's it's worse to when you consider that we went from, you know, labor that was heading in that direction then to John Key, who was really a absolute sycophant to the to the Chinese. You know, message. We've had, you know, essentially Chinese spies in both the National Party and the Labour Party, who are sitting there as MPs. We've still got the National Party receiving donations from CCP linked people in New Zealand, and they just they take the money. They never hand it back. They would just take it, you know, all that money that ended up in the court with a serious fraud office, you know, after the Jamie Lee Ross accusations, all that Chinese money. They never gave that back. It's still sitting there accounts. So, you know, if we, everyone's saying, oh, you know, a lot of people on my website are saying, oh, National's the only way we can get rid of this government. And I keep saying, well, why is changing a red shirt to a blue shirt going to make things any different? Though the two major parties, their policy settings, especially on China, you can run a cigarette paper between them. They're just so similar and lurching from one big party to the next big party and back again is never going to get us ahead, especially in dealing with a totalitarian regimes like China. But can that's because any politician knows it would be suicide for them as a politician to bring that up, given how many business owners like their cushy deals with China. It's a moral lack of courage in queues themselves. I'll give you a personal example of that, right? Of how much the National Party has changed when my father was the president of the National Party and before that, the Auckland Regional Director, he would get phone calls regularly from the ambassador, Chinese ambassador ordering him to get on the phone to a cabinet minister or a senior official or whatever and tell them that then the regime, the National Party regime that was in charge didn't like what these people were saying about China. And they would do this on a regular occurrence and ring that up and say this. And my father would point out to them in very strong terms that we live in a democracy. People are entitled to their opinions about anything, including on China. And so with respect, Ambassador, take your orders in your directions and shove them. But there'd be nobody in the National Party today that would stand up to China. I mean, I can remember back in those days when it was Taiwan's national holiday. You know, there would be scores of National Party MPs going to the function put on by the Taiwanese ambassador. And John Key actually stopped them going to that. He told his caucus and you're no longer going to go to anything to do with Taiwan. That's how insidious the slip in the National Party from being freedom loving, respecting people's personal choices, those sorts of things. How far they've slipped from that ethos to being toadies to the Chinese government. I have seen Simon O'Connor say something in support of Taiwan. But he's the only one, but, you know, everyone ignores him. What would happen if we, you know, just started to disconnect and we could pay a very high price? Well, we could, but where else are they going to get protein from? I mean, we've got something they want, but they can stop taking it if they want, that's fine. That's that's the world of trade. But, you know, sometimes you've got to have principles. And it seems that neither the Labour Party nor the National Party have any principles when it comes to China, their principles of sale. Or, you know, a few CCP reninbi in the back pocket. Yeah. And I mean, this is the the time I the thing I hate most about the times I'm living in. And maybe it's always been this way. And but I've just woken up to it, but it's that everyone is viable. Everyone sells themselves so flipping cheaply. Yeah. For for for for things that are monumental and horrible and a lot far reaching, you know, like a social credit system. You're right, it is cheap because we just have seen the last week. James O'Keefe, formerly of Project Veritas, now doing his own thing. Yeah. Busting a BlackRock executive boasting about buying senators for $10,000. Ten grand. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the problem isn't isn't so much that you can buy someone for that. It's more that there's a process of elimination or selection in pro place to ensure that only viable people end up there. That's what bothers me. But that but that most people we've seen from the last few years. Most people are viable. Who would have thought all our doctors would not repair to their Hippocratic oath, but would repair to their contracts with pharmaceutical companies over and above our own welfare and threats and intimidation. Nobody had any principles. Yeah. Yeah. They just thought back to how long it took them to get their medical degree. And I mean, you know, the one of the things about that, I mean, you know, there's a big veer off. But it was, you know, about a week after she sent them a letter threatening doctors with deregistration, if they stepped out of line, Jacinda Ardern said, actually, you know, the people you should really talk to your GPs because they know you the best. So she should just threaten them and then she was recommended. Well, they'll they'll give you advice. I've just threatened them to give you the advice that and, yeah, it's it's quite confronting the level of corruption everywhere. So the bad optics, OK, the planes, but the bad optics really is that W.E.F. Partly image, right? And it's like they want to stick it in our face. Although I'm so unaware that people like us sit around not liking that. Well, I mean, and what does he what? What did he call them, the new champions? It's love. Yeah. With the term you phrase, you keep using. You have penetrated the cabinet. It is penetrated the cabinet. So I wonder what Chris Ipkins thinks about his penetration. Yeah, well, shut up. But what? I don't realize it from up a heart. He's seen it all from China, and he's also got it from class. But the new champions and and I had no idea that was actually going on until Chris Ipkins got there. There's no analysis. Just like, yeah, there is just is meeting with global leaders. That's kind of global eateries. I want to see somebody make class swabs, say with a vein. I want to see him do. There's a vein. There's a vein. There's a vein. I had a German friend once says this is the word in the English language. Says most difficult. There's a vein. There's a vein. There's a vein. What is a vein? You know, on the church's people. Oh, with a vein, you mean? Yes, there's a vein. The church's people to nail his accent. You've just got to learn to say a crisis crisis crisis. So, Cam, let me ask you while I've while I've got you here sitting right in front of me. What it would Winston Peters is stance be on China and the the big problem and all our trade. What have you talked to him about that at all? Briefly, I've had a couple of discussions with him about China, mainly, you know, as information would come up about the National Party and their donations and things like that. And Winston's got a couple of examples of when he was in China, negotiating things with them and trying to get things going. He says the trouble you've got is you actually don't. You can't actually believe a word that they say. You know, I've seen him say stuff also about the WF. He's not a big fan of them. And he's certainly starting to realize that the UN and the WHO and the WF in China are all pushing particular agendas that we are all supposed to tug our forelocks off our caps and agree with. And he's coming out more and more hostile to those globalist organizations and their intentions for control of governments and countries and everything else in between. It's worth actually talking about what their their aims are because you never see discussion of it. We talked about it on media matters the week before last. And I mean, the they're about seven. You break down to about seven points. They want to end national sovereignty. So nations submit to an arbitrary global rules based order, global governance, the ESG stuff. Yeah. Well, spending is dictated by central banks and technocrats. And the aim is no growth. So, you know, the IMF in here saying, oh, you've got to cool your economy and to destroy energy efficient sources that force everyone into energy scarcity. And you look at all this is playing out. You know, what it's talking about. Germany's power has gone up five hundred percent recently. So the UK where they've had to actually get the wind power is actually failing badly and they're having to fire up coal plants to to take the base load. Yeah, it's not an accident. They want dictatorship by corporate cartels. They want some and that's backed by global NATO, which will extend into the Pacific. They want total censorship directed by the media and social media cartels and the ultimate aims depopulation. They talk about a fair bit. So, you know, that all sounds great. Oh, and we need to use AI to rewrite the Bible. Well, there's no there's no discussion of it. No, no, no, no, no, no, creep, isn't it? Guy creep, the one who wants to what's his name? Arari, yeah, wants to rewrite the Bible. Yeah, it wants a sensitive to that can tell if you're gay, so it can decide what sort of billboard you see to sell your coke. But these these these people are actually evil. Oh, very actually evil. And, you know, not a lot was made of Jacinda Ardern's links to the W. E. F. But she was deeply embedded with them and still is. Didn't you you came out cam and said that didn't you at some point you said that she was evil Oh, yeah, I did. She used to believe that That was when that was when um, she finally turned the police on us That cam I remember came put out that piece that it was if you use your police force to attack your own citizens Although it was a threshold right here Again, that was the turning point. So it's chippy evil No, I just think yeah stupid He was in there. He's kind of was in there working it, you know, he was Everything that he's the banal face of it, right? Yeah, Ardern was the matron d The guy cooking up the evil was actually hipkins and robertson You know, so so he doesn't get off scot-free. I give him But the thing is is that jisinder Ardern for me and I've met I've met every prime minister From moldoon onwards Right, most of them are dead The ones that are left and retired and nobody cares about right. So I've met all of these people I've had dinners with them. I've had lunches with them They all try all have tried to do what they thought was best, right now moldoon Was ill equipped to deal with the ill winds and the economy that he was dealing with But he did do some really good things and ironically They're the very things that the green type people and the labor people oppose like You know, the think big projects That bill birch Brought in the the Clyde dam all of it. They all opposed all of those things and they're all the things that are Actually propelling and producing the power for their, you know, gay little electric cars And they all opposed that You know, and it was actually visionary of moldoon and his government to focus on energy sustainability and self-sufficiency in new zealand and that absolute moron of a prime minister jisinder Ardern on the base of Schoolchildren having a moan on the steps of parliament. She went and saw them She'd go and talk to them on the basis of that She basically destroyed all of that investment in gas and oil exploration in new zealand on a whim from some screaming naughty kids Yeah, I don't think that is just evil It the same things happen in in germany and it's it's it's in the line with those policies of wf to to make energy more and more expensive Yeah, she's she's a she's just a screen and a keyboard CPUs Offshore But like, you know, we've got huge resources of coal in new zealand We don't dig our own coal up and use it in power plants or or in We bring in the other we bring in dirty rubbishy indonesian coal And we sit there Virtue signaling to the world that we're cleaning green and it's bullshit So the only thing you can surmise from all that is that this is a progressive Planned control deconstruction Yeah, absolutely of us sabotage of the western way And then you can even take that down into the social upheaval that's occurring and the lack of social cohesion And this pushing of these agendas particularly around trans and all of this The chinese are funding all of this They are causing disquiet and Discohesion in society because it suits their global aims And the china we have a three-year election cycle and the chinese don't even think in three years three years is a blip they're thinking in thousands of years And so what they're trying to do is cause the west to implode upon itself So that they can then roll over the top of that with their promise on weaknesses I mean, there's no way um chinese society would allow all the time. No, they would never be tolerated No, they they allow us to be tripped up by our weaknesses. And aren't we stupid? Well, I've I've lunch every monday was a chinese mate of mine And I said to him that lunch is a group of us all get together about 10 or 12 And I said to him he said to us. Well, what's this what's this trans thing? I don't understand And I said, well, you know them boys or girls who decide they're gonna be the other I said, do you have any of that in china? He goes, no, no, no not permitted not permitted He said I said what happens to them Uh They're not in china The chinese have a word by you I think it is which uh Is is the descriptor for the west people in the west pushing The agenda that's destroying us. They just they laugh at them I have a great admirer of of darwism and the eaching and just the the thinking in So much chinese culture is fascinating and Yeah, thousands of years old, right? Oh And most people have a sentences worth of knowledge of it and dismiss it on that basis. It's very foolish So so can we say that the wef in china are working hand in hand? They're all part of the same group Hand in hand and glove hand and glove. Well, I don't know about hand and glove. There's there's there's probably an alliance where their interests are Match, but I'd say chinese aspirations to Start a consumer led world order that overtakes the finance led world order is a big part of what the undercurrent of what's gone on Well, if you've got biden who thinks that um, budin's losing the war in iraq Which is what he said then I don't know if there's any hope for anyone No, anyway, okay, should we should we move on to the next topic nationals problem with maori? What is the problem who wants to talk about that? I'll talk about that because it's it's been I mean the deterioration of race relations in new zealand really bothers me because you know coming from the east coast te taira fiji I uh, you know 50 maori and so You know, I have a lot of friends there and family and just watching Luxon fumble the ball. He started out with the best of intentions, but you know, he got um I had her name, but he got he got a lady when when he first took over Are you here punga? Yeah invited her to to the national party conference and she was Impressed that uh, he'd done it then rather than six months before the election Sereti Dury said Intel maori peace depends on mutual respect of mana and I um I don't You know, there's a lot said about Like it's absolute bollocks Right. Well peace comes through superior firepower. That's not peace. That's conquest Yeah, but it's just bollocks when you get you know people are idiot jury saying that and Yeah, if you actually try and discuss maori topics And they don't like you what you're saying then you get held down as a racist even though the developed points that you're making An idiot jury is one of those people who does that So he's saying like you all have to we all have to have mutual respect. There's no mutual respect For national from maori at all All right, it doesn't matter how much the national party bends over backwards To resolve historical Grievances to do treaty settlements to do all of these things pour billions and billions of dollars into making things better for maori They get no votes. In fact, I know one ampere or former ampere He had a spreadsheet and a calculation Working out that the more money that nationals spent the less votes they got from maori And he'd worked out that it there was a mathematical calculation That if they just spent this amount of money and it wasn't that large Especially considering the covet fund and the billions spent there that if nationals spent that money, they could completely eradicate any vote for the national party by doing that And so I don't think that nationals got a problem with maori They've been over backwards trying to stand candidates and maori seats Have all sorts of woke policies start to you and you get you get these communists like simon wilson from the herald and avowed communists who's posing out loud about how the national party needs to you know, be more diverse and They do all of that and people don't vote for them. Maori just don't vote for national And the ones that do vote for national aren't on the maori role. They're in the general role So I don't know why Uh national bothers to actually chase that vote because they just don't get it They don't get the vote I think there's there's you know that when chris hipkins was going up to Auckland to I remember recently It was reported. He doesn't have any contacts in business. It was kind of like after all sorry doesn't have contacts in business But the uh reporter said well, it's not that he is hoping to convert these people But middle new zealand wants to think that he thinks about them And I think you know, there's a case to be made for a national doing a similar thing I think a lot of it though comes down to new zealand just needs to deal with its legacy as a slave-owning country I think a lot of it comes but maori owned owned slaves too. That's what I mean That's what I'm talking about in 1840 when the treaty was signed all the rights and privileges of The ownership class of maori were protected Including the ownership of slaves. Now you think about this, right? Britain emancipated slaves 20 years earlier than that Well, a lot of the slaves went and worked for white folks and that's why there's real sensitivity about But that's a thing right are on that side when the treaty was signed Great britain didn't have slavery They'd abolished it that they abolished it very early. Yeah very early to the 1850s. I think But roughly but they signed a treaty in new zealand that protected if you think about slavery Yeah, well, you know, if you think about the uh culture around slave ownership, you could uh Take the fruits of a slave's labor without reciprocity or recognition You could denigrate their fucker papa on the basis of some past slight as utu Uh, if you had a child with a slave That child would have mana through you. So it's very similar to maori attitudes towards taxpayers Yeah, very similar. Okay. We need a great And it's not that new zealand is a racist I think they just don't like being treated like slaves And I think it's time, you know, we maybe broach the subject in a loving way Possibly It's like leis paderson. I say it with love. I say it with love. I don't like being treated like a slave I don't like you getting all herty feelings when someone says something to you and then you can say it to me It's not fair. No, that's the point. I was making about the eddy durick whether he meant it or not He said it. I mean, it's like They say it and willy jackson's the biggest racist in new zealand. Well, I mean, you know, what's his net worth Don't know but you know, I used to go on radio live with willy jackson and um You know, I used to get on all right with him But he's just been slagging me off left right and center on social media And he forgets all the things that he said and done in the past but I never forget but It's it just seems to be a willingness to accept racism as long as it comes out of the mouth of a Maori Well, that's marxism. That's marxist, right? That's what that up-facing fist is all about It means that whatever you do to the class above you. It's justifiable and that includes lying So we've got to stop expecting honesty. Yeah New zealand's productivity Well, yeah, and that's another another thing I've that's another thing And another thing. I've just been fretting about it because um I've you know, there's the um, I think it was You need to have your papers organized I'll get yourself organized there marty. I'll talk about I'll talk about productivity take Auckland council for example, right Auckland council has got a number It's not an inconsequential number of staff members Who are working from home where home is an overseas country What what they have a a reasonable number of staff At Auckland council that are working for home and have been doing so for a number of years Where home is an overseas country? And the furthest one away Lives in Spain In the villa by the pool Right, so there's your productivity. Did you know that More than half of Auckland council's staff Are still working from home And if you've been into the court system if you've been um, you know watching what's happening in the court system If you go and file anything or file a paper you get an automatic response back from from the person who You're emailing and it says are due to covid restrictions There are delays and this and then and you go into the court and everything is still on covid restrictions And half their staff aren't even in the office. They're all working from home and most government departments You know, they they were talking about the Wellington protests and how is affecting business And all of that down in Wellington these terrible unwashed people Um, you know super spreaders, um causing harm to the business in Wellington. It's bullshit The the harm that was being caused to the businesses in Wellington Was all the civil servants staying at home and drinking their coffees and thawnden And corori and candala rather than in the cbd Because they're all working from home and still are in many instances Well, how could that be tolerated now in the same way as the 28 percent increase in the public sector over the past Five years is tolerated and the increase in the You know in the minimum wage for no increase in productivity As a result, you know, I can remember back when I used to run a security company and we had $8 guards and $10 guards in our and The difference was whether or not they had a qualification But two bucks, but now those same security guards Doing the same job with no discernible change and And in in the operations of the jobs, they're all being paid 27 30 dollars an hour Well, they're not worth that much. Yeah, but that's what you need just to be able to buy groceries now Yeah, but but but the job isn't worth that much It was it was pushing it at $10 an hour a few years ago But but the reality is about that on media watch, you know, you sort of have you can't pay Your best work is what they're worth because you're having to pay your worst work is what they're not worth and You know And then they've got you know The young people today, you know, we go are the young people. Well, they have mental health days Yeah, oh, no, I wasn't feeling too good. Um, I needed a mental health day I took that off Do you need it every Friday or every Monday? What do people do on mental health days? What do they actually do? I wonder don't ask Kerry Ellen. Yeah, we'll get to that She's just had a few mental health what do you just sit there and sort of meditate or something? Well, there's a phrase. I'll clue you guys in on some of the lingo because you know, uh, there's a phrase apparently used among Zoomers called bed rotting Yeah Right, and it just means I Presumably lying in your bed with no aspirations for anything more. Okay. So that's our productivity Well, I'm feeling like a loser I mean, there's a really good, um You'll get to the you'll get to the piece of paper at some point Marty and when you've got to jump back in All right Speaking of mental health days Kerry Ellen You know this story has been coming for a long time I've been hearing about it for literally months that there was about to be a story drop About bullying in her office and you know staff turn over and all that sort of thing sure enough It finally arrived on Wednesday. What we're now going to witness From Kerry Ellen is gaslighting on her behalf and I'd put her up as a nomination for Gaslighter of the week because She's saying she's saying there have never been any formal allegations put to me which You hear that coming from a politician. You think okay. Were there any informal ones? You know, what how does this work? You're you're being accused of being a bully. Are you surprised there's never been any formal allegations put to you you know, um If you look at her and she's just had you know a mental health break of a few days off Because she's uh, you know, just had I think her third relationship in 10 years collapsed around her And um now she's facing up to these bullying allegations and saying well, I haven't seen anything put to me. Well, of course not You're a bully No one wants to talk to you about it because you'll bully them But in the term going I mean going going into the media and I mean we've all been through relationship breakups and they're very painful and they hurt And you might need a couple of days off, but to go and say Um, I'm struggling with my mental health You're a minister of the crowd. There's no dignity in that is there No, but she's a minister of the crown get a life. You mean you had a breakup Gosh and you're a bully Yeah, or are a bully. Yeah combined those things and doesn't look very good doesn't doesn't look pretty So this is all a legacy of the dictator the the tyrant Jacinda Ardern she let all of this rubbish Percolate along and hipkins is having to come along and clean it up But you know, you look at his roles. He was the leader of the house He was you know chief whip. He knows about all of these things covered guy, right? He but he was He was the enforcer Of Ardern so he wouldn't have known about all of these the whips would report to him They've known about all this stuff socialist bosses, man. They're the worst Speaking of bullying, um Paul I really liked your interview with Winston Peters. Oh, yeah Yeah, not not that you bullied him, but I felt that you were trying to get to you were trying to get to the social media posts, right Um where he was gunning really hard for vaccination during 2021 and Bullying the unvaccinated really heavily, but I felt that he derailed you or he didn't want You to get to them and you didn't actually Name any of them, but I made a note here of Some of the things that he actually did say At that time when he was bullying the unvaccinated in this country. I'm aware of what he said Yeah, everybody was bullying in in who was in parliament at the time the key thing is with Winston Is that he's realized that he he got it wrong? And that that's why he's starting to talk about we need to be having investigations into Uh, you know that died suddenly Start the the the things that have been yeah the death rates and and and that I I saw that I saw his thing yesterday done in Dunedin and I'm glad that that went viral I get on to your question though. I haven't heard an apology though from him Vaccination that's what I want. You'll never hear an apology. He said he owned it. He said he owned it Was all very well to say you own But this is a work of progress and um, I was prepared to fire out those lines But this is a very delicate time at the moment. Yeah, well, let's just let's just remind people Of one of those lines of one of those lines all people are seeing right now Are the unvaccinated holding the vast majority of Kiwis and the economy to ransom at immense cost That was one of that line one of those lines in 2021. Yep. You have to remember to um, Olivia that when that line was delivered He was a minister of the crown in 2021 Oh, not in 2021, but prior to that he was so he had to go along with what cabinet had decided No, he went along with it off his own free will in 2021. We're talking quite late. So But I want I want to get this out because Yo, what's the next one? Well, it's that, you know, he constantly made this push that it was the vaccinated that were holding the country to ransom when it came to lockdowns Which everybody and everybody who was in power and in contra were saying that From Biden to everything. So not everybody's running again in this current election So what I'm saying to you is that that was that that's what 95 percent of our population thought to Remember, yeah, I don't care if people are morons um What I hear about is that he needs to apologize. He needs to apologize. What he needs to do is not apologize You can't you can't apologize for things that you said in the past like that. That's the sort of thing You can that that leftist. I think what I still apologize for things that happened in colonial times, right? No, no, that's a really important person can it's a really poor comparison. We're talking about what's more important than an apology Olivia What's more important than an apology is actually putting it right I'm telling all I all I'm saying is anyone can say sorry. I could say sorry No, no, but I'm telling you you will not get he will not get the votes from the freedom movement Which he seems to be gunning for Unless he is prepared to say look. I really got that wrong You unvaccinated people actually held a line that needed to be held And he was not a government then I would be patient, Olivia But anyway, let's hear what else he said because that's fair enough that we hear them This one really I find disturbing We urge everyone to get out this Saturday to get your vaccination We need to get these rates up to get out of these lockdown restrictions But at 1 p.m. We need the prime minister to give us the plan out of this once we hit that target He was a desperately needing certainty for their businesses livelihoods and their families But you know that this is the thing is that Remember how hard that was to hold that line. We were getting blamed Neighbors friends family and all the rest of it that we were holding the country to ransom Through not violating our own bodily autonomy. It's that that Winston needs to address very directly Like in the interview with youth pool. I noticed that he kind of washed it away and said that You know, he'd owned it. He'd owned it, but he's not owning it That's I'm pretending to own it because I don't really want these things read out on on media But it needs to be addressed in a much more head-on way And I mean, maybe you could encourage him to do that can because I think people were really really Hurt the country was hurt by that. You gotta wake it up slowly, right? That's right. You gotta wake it up slowly You can't spook What does that mean paul? I don't understand that It's not a red pill. It's a pink pill, but it ends up being a red pill. Yeah, you've like a lot of us I mean, he just would have clammed up if I started going on like that You know, that was that was first base and there are another two bases at home A lot of us have given up talking to people who were locked into the vaccine the whole narrative And then we just go from whatever not listening to you. It's just static But there are people who have realized that was some terrible things That went wrong in decision-making and went wrong when in policy and all of those And they are actually in a position to help undo some of the harms that went on with that And a sorry doesn't undo the harms actions undo the harm harms And so that's sorry We all want to hear hear a politician apologize, right? We all do. I mean, it's like watching It's like going to the I know it's as rare as a unicorn. It's as rare as hell, right? It's why we go but it's why we go to motor racing because we want to see the crashes, right? We're seeing in a politician say sorry Yeah, most of the time They think that sorry is a word that's in the dictionary between shit and syphilis You know, that's basically what they think sorry is Um, so, you know, I've seen politicians apologize for things And it's oh, you know, it's not like the father Ted thing when father jack has to apologize to bishop brendan and he goes I'm so Sorry They're meaningless, right unless they're backed up with actions that are gonna say well, I made I said these things I did these things and you know, I believe that I was hoodwinked. I believe that the information that we got from Pfizer Fire and also that doesn't quite rub actually because we already knew Well, well, we did a lot of us. We suspected a lot of stuff But it's only now that the documentation Of the fraud that went on in the testing from Pfizer And getting all of these governments around the world with these locked in You know agreed things that they would say and do It's only now that's a lot of that stuff is actually getting out for the majority of people to actually see Sure, sure, but but at the the reason I bought that up on the back of the other thing was the bullying It's like winston was appalling Um in his bullying of the unvaccinated people who were protecting their own autonomy And he should apologize for that and I won't vote for him unless he does you won't gonna vote for him Anyway, I love you. No, but I'm look, I'm I'm either gonna vote for winston peters Or I'm gonna sit it out entirely small steps and you got to lead them to the water to make the horse No, we need big steps. We need That's what I was trying to do just to make a start of it chip away a bit And then more and more the guy gets more confidence in talking about it and you end up with something Like the wellington Hard attacks up 83 percent and strokes up 25 percent. That's a thing. Yeah. Yeah, but okay. What do you say to that? Then you're starting out about the people dying each week in New Zealand. I know all about that I've had friend a friend died. So I I'm across that. Yeah, but but in the end What is the alternative? Liz gun a lovely lovely beautiful woman. I spent the the the political party thing is delusional Completely delusion. I mean, she's got 500 people to sign up To say that they're members so that she can register this new political party, which is called. I think nz loyal or Something I mean, it looks like they used an etch etch a sketch to design the logo. It's very amateurish I would have thought she would go for Winston Peters because she has a relationship with them and did that very good interview with him Yeah, it's it's strange. I mean, she's very genuine The problem is is that They deluded into thinking that they've got support because they signed up 500 members in in the well, is she actually deluded? Yeah, I think she what she is having a go at something But then there's thinking that it's going to be a winner. I mean the two different things Well, having a go all credit She's having a go. She's putting a name out there and anyone who stands for public office Get should get a pat on the back for that for giving it a go But giving it a go and actually making a success of it two different things Well, you tell me about success though cam. I mean, you know my guess and I'll get elected would be a start That her view of success in this is going to be getting on to the hustings and talking about things and Maybe getting some funding because she's got members to do advertising I would Be surprised if she thought she was going to win But I think she wants to get a bigger audience the point of standing for parliament so you can mouth off Well, that's that's pointless It's literally all right. Yeah, but I get paid for it Right Well, you can someone does it and then they get shot down Well, no, they don't get shot down and you have to be realistic here It lives gun needs to answer answer the same two questions that I've put to mat king and not got an answer from That I put to leighton baker and won't get an answer from to any of these third parties that are out there The foot if they cannot answer a cogent response to these two questions one How are you going to get 150 000 votes? Or two How are you going to win an electorate seat? Because those are the only two things that matter and if they don't have a cogent answer to those two questions Then all they're doing is living on hope And they will won't will not succeed They will split the vote and when you split the vote like that And there's all these little parties that are hoovering up 10 000 votes here 4 000 votes there 3 000 votes there none of them add up to a hundred thousand 150 000 votes combined But those all become wasted votes and every time you waste a vote That basically gets split 50 50 between the labor party and the national party When they do the recalculations on the on the thresholds That's why winston peters needs to apologize and clean up all that get those votes Well a great great statement. I don't want to fix that on winston, but Cameron you seem to know a bit about this. Will you see that unfolding Of being upfront about it addressing it front on to the level where someone like Olivia would go okay I don't know. I mean, I haven't had a full You know enough time really over some whiskies and cigars to to get to the bottom. He must have seen the response But he is um to to that he is very you know adept and finely tuned political antenna and so He will He will be watching what happens. He reads what happens on social media. He reads what happens on webs websites Do the more thing of finding an angry crowd and agreeing with them Well, you know, he's he's the consummate politician. He really is I mean you have to admire his skills and his longevity and all that sort of thing Right, but he's he's not a stupid man And I'll periodically, you know, have a conversation with him and say, you know, I read an article that you wrote three days ago You made some really good points, but you missed this one, you know, that's the sort of he's actually reading stuff and then giving feedback And so You know, it's early days yet, but I I hope to see him Come out of his shell It's not early days. I'm sorry. It's not that we are we are 14 weeks away from an election As everyone keeps saying it's an incredibly important election as we sleepwalk Well, he said it was the most important one. He said that Yeah, I exactly Okay, so it's not early days Hang on. Let me address that And this doesn't apply just to Winston. It applies to every politician, right? But but in particular to Winston So if he did come out and apologize like you said I can see right now all of the Blue rinse gnats with their blinkers on What they'll say is our head say anything for votes, you know He's got all these bottom lines and he never delivers anything he betrayed us in 2017 So it doesn't matter that he's apologized. These are the lines that my readers Say about Winston Peters They are not ever going to open their ears to that it is locked in inside the national party that Winston Peters is An evil, you know person that we mustn't even want to deal with and we must try and destroy him at every opportunity And the same goes for inside the Labor Party ask worry nons parents what they would like to hear. Yeah Hopefully we'll get there baby steps Exactly. All right folks. All right. That's that's us for another week. Thank you cam. Thank you. Thank you all Thank you, Olivia. Thank you You're welcome RCR with Paul Brennan Reality check radio