 Hello, what's pop? We are on kick, K-I-C-K. We are live. So you can come join us if you want. If not, that's cool. Just leave a like, comment, subscribe. Turn on your post notification bells. Let's continue to grow the family from Chicago to the UK. This right here, this is where any highlights from the stream will be. We also got the Patreon. We just finished Misfits and we finished Peep Show. We started Sherlock last Friday, so a Friday episode is coming up again. We voted on line of duty. Line of duty is locked in to replace Misfits. And now we just gotta replace something with Peep Show. We're actually doing the voting now. Survive. Don't forget we got the Discord as well. Any links are down in the description below. This is the Table Room. Prince Dre reveals what King Vaan was like and what's Oblock like? Trap Lore, Trap Lore-Ross. Well, I don't know why that's in the title. What'd you put? Ah, you're trying to get in the algorithm. I get you. I got it, got it now. Nevermind, I got it. Prince Dre, I've never really heard of him. Like, I heard, like, I think I seen him, like, it was Vaan, like a clip of Vaan before. And then I might've looked him up. Like, I've never looked up one of his songs or something. And then since then, that was like three years ago. Since then, I ain't, me personally. But that's neither here nor there. Let's check it out. I remember he used to have braces, though. No pauses. I was schooled in, like, Aimee Gray Hill, 12. I grew up in Chicago, Illinois. I was on the southeast side. I was born in Woodlands. South east side. I grew up in Kaisgrove. Moved to 79th and east end. Then after that, I went to 71st. Well, my mama first got our own little apartment. Then moved there for, like, two years. And what was school like for you growing up in Chicago? School. What's that, what's dude, the dude that do taboo room? The Prince Dre fly to London or the UK or something? School, it was fun, but it took us, like, I'ma say, boom, I went to school in Grammar School, elementary school, I don't know, people call it different things. So I was, I went to school with the people, like, you probably had, like, LBG known, other sets that I was cool with. So, the first one was cool. Then people started, you know, we getting older, we choosing what size we were. Then once people started choosing their size, that's like high school, that's like when you mature. So then now we're in two of each other, boom, they on that side, we on that side. That's not true. That's not the real reason, though. I don't believe that, we've heard this story a thousand times of why the GDs and the BDs start beefing in Chicago while O-Block and Tukul will reveal start beefing. We know it already. It's over a female. Then y'all start, you know, everybody was cool at one point, right? This is what we all know, to be factual. We've heard it from both sides. Then something happened with a female, then all the beef started. It trickled down from there. But there's stuff that been going on from way far time with people. Yeah, well, yeah, of course. That's what they promised me when they growing up. So growing up in school, it was dangerous to, it wasn't probably dangerous to other people. But me and my life on looking back, it was dangerous. I'm getting shot at going to school, all that type of stuff. When you say you're getting shot at, how old was you at this stage? 12? Around that time probably. I was getting shot at in grandma's school then like eight grade, seven grade. 12? How old do you read in seven, eight grade? Probably like 12. Told you. He was getting shot at 12 years old. My best friend, he got killed. Eight grade, he was 12 years old. He got killed, been in drive-by. What was the circumstances? That's life in Chicago. But it's like the south side and the east side, even some of the west side, it's like they're not advancing with the rest of the city. You know what I'm saying? They just like, cause I feel like everybody is, every project building that was ever torn down, everybody just went over there. So like, they definitely don't got the same opportunities. Everybody out there robbing, stealing, shooting, killing. You know what I'm saying? The north side was just bad before too. But you know, they wasn't having that over on the north side. Literally, he was walking home or? No, no, no. My bad. It's my last boss. No, he was chilling in the hood. He was just chilling, yeah. Whoever they came to, they shot at him. And they killed him. Got hit in the head. And so yeah. And when that happened, did that change your mindset at all? Around that time. Stay strapped. I was really young in it. So it just made me like, fuck life. Like I was, before I was rapping or anything. I thought I wouldn't go make it out at them times. I really wanted to kick it out. Doing drills at the age, just pop, peel, smoke. At 12? Yeah, 12, 13, yeah. So I guess prior to losing your friend, did you have aspirations of wanting to do other things, Oak? Yeah, around that time. Really my best friend, he wanted to make me rap. Cause he was doing like writing in school. Just, they was playing with it. So it made me, I'm like, I could do that. Then I was just playing at the time though. So when Chief Keef blew up, that's really when I pushed into it. Like dang, he did, he come from out from. Chief Keef gave the whole city hope. Every slum, every hood, every pocket in the city where nobody had anything. Like young, like he gave people hope. Like, oh man, people like me can really go out here and rap and get it. I can do it, too. That's why Chief Keef is a legend in the city. I don't care what nobody sees. Legend, Derry. Then what was you doing when you were 12? Like after eighth grade, what was you doing? Was you still in school at that age? Yeah, I went to school until my 10th grade, yeah. And how old is 10th grade here? It's what, like, 15, 16. So you dropped out of school at that age. And then what did you go over to do with your life? After that, I just was rapping. I was on the road with dirt. I was, I really was on the road by myself. I was just popping up the city as well, even then. Because my name was like ring around that time. And then touching back, how would you say it was growing up inside of Chicago as a child? Chicago is a gangster city. That's what we know from, like, Al Capone, the area where the Jaffa King died. So, like, my grandparents and daddy and mama was in the streets, so. That's the fact. That's really how I'd be in Chicago. Even in the summer of the suburbs, like, it's just, everybody was a gangbanger at some point. Like, my mom, my uncle, my uncles. It's really from my mom's side of the family. Like, they was thugging, thugging out here. They was black peace stones for my West stuff. I just was, I was around and young, like, riding with my daddy outside my mama's home. Like, I was born into it. So, growing up in Chicago was like normal. Well, what we thought was normal. Very normal. Everywhere the same thing going on, but what make us different in Chicago is we all gangs. It's like, basically what gang started at Chicago. We got gangs in California. But then the gangs that's in Chicago and California spread it out across the United States. Why do you think South Chicago has such a violent reputation? Why do you think South Chicago has such a violent reputation? My name is Tyler Devereaux. I'm inviting you to attend my... No, thanks, Tyler. Salute, though. In today's state, South side, it's starting. That's where the most violent shooter kills. And is that definitely the case? From the statistics, yeah. Then yes. And how dangerous would you say old block is? Old block, to me, is really like normal to me. It's normal because I travel. So I go places, I go to... Bro, teeth is blinding. I ain't even gonna lie. Whatever toothpaste you use, leave it in the comments or something like that. That mouth, the teeth is crazy. I go to dangerous cities, murder camps. So everything really the same to me is really everybody living the same lifestyle. So it was like no different from no else. Everybody in tour with each other, everybody killing, everybody dying somewhere else. Just like probably in London, it killing out there. Just everywhere the same. Just how the government and new people put us in these possessions to go against each other. As well, what are people's opinion just touching on the music there of UK Drill from coming from Chicago? Because of the... Am I opinion on it? Yeah, yeah, because I feel like Drill music was invented in Chicago and now it's pretty much gone global. No, you don't feel like it. You know that. Really, really... Drill, my first song that pushed me up was from somebody in the UK. He made the beat for it. Oh man, what's bro name? I can't even think of it. As well, going back. London always had that sound though. But he's super young, so he's younger. So it was like when he said somebody from the UK made the beat, makes sense, cause he's young. Chicago. Why is Chicago sometimes referred to as Chirac? Because of violence, it was once upon a time that the murder rate was higher than Iraq. Like the war out there. So that's how he nicknamed it, Chirac. Because of violence and the people that was dying. Then the people that was in the war, actually the war in Iraq, the numbers was way more than that. So that's how the Chirac come about. As well, touching about your school life, do you reckon if your best friend wasn't killed at 12, you still would have gone the direction that he did in regards to gang live shootings? Yes. If it wasn't for rapping, I think I'd be dead in jail for rapping really saved my life. I can truly say that even though I'm not at that point, like JZ or something like that, the bigger us, rap really saved my life. Real, real. And that's what the YouTube police don't be seeing, or the police that be shutting down, taking down videos, like this is really changing people's life. Like Lee, like they could really, like you cut down, you cut down somebody's music, that's their hard work. Like I'm pretty sure, like if an artist puts a video on YouTube and it gets taken down, they heart drop. Because that's hours of hard work sometimes. That's money that they put into it. That's like, oh man, this is fun to get me out of the hood and you just revoke that chance. It's tough. And do you really think you'd be dead now or potentially in jail if you didn't get into music? What if I didn't get into music? Yeah. What's the most extraordinary or unusual thing you've witnessed in South Chicago or all block itself? I went into so much stuff, man. I don't even know. Crazy thing, man, I was young. I lived, I seen the nigga come up the street. He come up the street, block the street. You know, like a block party, how the car turned to block all the street. And I seen him hop out of the car. He getting that, he did what he did. That was some crazy stuff that I was doing. He can't even put it all the way out there. So he blocked up the street and he got out of the car. And he did what he did. And what did he do? He did what he did. He started doing what he was doing. I ain't gonna say what he did, but he did what he did. How do residents of all block or South Chicago feel about tourists visiting? Hey! What going on, y'all? And it just really depends on how they come about. Because with things going on in the world, people are into it and stuff. That's a fact. You really don't know, like. Chicago is a spooky place, man, when you live there and you know what's going on around you, like it can keep you on your toes. So if somebody coming to the Vahn mural, I can, I understand what's 6th, 3rd and what they be doing over there. Oh, block, if somebody be, if they come over there, don't nobody know you and you pull up, they're gonna be on your car. First of all, they're gonna, who is that? Get on, bro, get on, bro, who is that? Like, because they don't know you, they at war. They don't know you, so it makes sense for them to do that. It makes sense for me, too, that they do that. Like, you can't come to somebody hood that's in a war and act like you ain't gotta play it like how you gotta play it, you get what I'm saying? They come about, how they approach themselves, man. They know, it's all about how you approach them. There's a set of GDs and vice lords in East London. For real? It's just like me, I go places by myself, knowing I don't need... Hold on, man, my camera. Know these people. For me, how I approach the situation, they get the fun out of me. They really adapt to me. If Olivia caught a taxi by herself to the South Chicago O-Block, what would happen? Like a regular lady. Yeah, yeah. She'll be good. It just really depends on how she's coming about. I think almost how you are, how you'll be good. It's just about how you are. You stand yourself and if you say, like, because her skin tone, her skin tone, she'll be good, she'll be good. She'll be good, she'll be good. She'll be good, she'll be good. She'll be good, she'll be good. She, her skin tone, white. So nine times out of ten, they gonna think there's a fan or they gonna think there's a police. Facts. So if you're black, nine times out of ten, they gonna think you're a fan or you somebody that I'm supposed to be older. Double facts. So it's just all about how they approach the situation. As well, can you explain the meaning behind the gang signs that people throw? So you're telling me there's GDs, vice lords, and four corner hustlers in north, in East London. Those are three Chicago gangs. That's tough. Obviously we haven't, we obviously see all these things that happening in the UK, but it's almost the case I guess in this country, people can be killed for throwing up certain gestures with their hands. Yeah, but nowadays people don't go out there with the gang signs. People, nowadays it's just a lot of people saying it's me to say things or you really don't know what nobody's throwing up. It ain't like how it used to be like with GD, BD, stone, vice lords, crimp blood, shit like that. That's probably still going on in like Cali and stuff, but this generation, they don't care about none of that. And when you say GDs, BDs, what would they be? Because of my viewers might not have any idea with what that is. Now with different names, with Dan, people know I was gangster to side foods, black to side foods. I wanted to know if you watched Real Trap Law's recent video that he made on King Von, and what are your thoughts on it? I didn't see it, but I heard about it. What did you hear? They were trying to make it seem like he did something that... What was he like? Something you wouldn't know what he like? Yeah, yeah. Man, he was a good art person. He was mad, man, he was how he was on the internet. And he was, to me, like obvious to your girl, you're a different person there, which you'll be with your friends. So that's what everybody, everybody not to say, but they got the same attention, but they just not the same. Like, more with your girl, you'll be more soft, but with other people, you'll be more hard. But with me, though, he was, he was him, he was, he was, I don't say he was soft, but he was a good, hard person. And as well, when he did pass away, where was you and how did that affect you? I was around, it's still hurt, it's still hurt right now. It's all, all the loss has still hurt. Even before him, after him, they all hurt. How old are you? Me, 27. And how many friends have you lost? Oh, I don't know, I lost no, I lost count, man. That's it. I lost a lot, I lost count. A bit of a deep question, I guess, with your background. Would you say you're afraid to die? Originality is overrated, wanna cook some? No, it's not, originality is not overrated. Then, like 12 and that, no, I wasn't scared to die. Now that I got kids, I'm scared to die. That's a fact, man, when you rolling around doing that dumb shit, you don't be caring. But as soon as you have a kid, it'd be over with, you see, I'm gone, goodbye. It matters now. And do you feel like your whole perception of that life? It ain't that I'm scared to die just, I don't know what will happen if I leave my kids. Right. I'm just scared to leave my people alone. Yes. And what are people's perception in Chicago, say, of Chicago, of people in London? Because we always have this impression that I guess people in Chicago often think people in London are a bit soft and sweet. I promise you, before I even turned on the camera, I had no perception. Somebody asked me that on stream, I think. Like, what did you think of UK people before you, like, I had no perception? That it would be nothing, literally nothing, until I stumbled across. And I was like, oh, man, what's show? Is that still the case? Was that perception changed? I ain't never heard that London was soft and sweet just. The way y'all talk is more polite than what we talk. But I understand it differently because I'm a person that study and pay attention to everything. So our education was taken from us from, like, slavery and stuff. So in London, the way they talk is regular English. But us, we got messed up in English because we come from, y'all people from London, y'all people from Mexico, y'all people from all these different places. And they come and they don't have education because they're the took from us. So I don't think that y'all are soft. I just think y'all just talk different. And then the way y'all laugh is different from my loss. America made off guns. London can't have guns. But y'all are dangerous because y'all got swords and knives and stuff. Hey, why don't you say swords first? Hey. That's funny. That's funny. You're scared to stab somebody then to shoot somebody. That's a fact because you, I always said, when you stabbing somebody, you got to be built different because that's a different type of, you're a different type of dude. If you do that type of thing, I don't condone it, you two. I'm just saying. Stoppings in Chicago, at all. There's some. Me, I stabs them, I didn't do a lot to them. Me. But people, people are scared. You probably, they hear more of, like, Mexicans doing stabs. Yeah. Facts. Me, I don't care about stabs. I just wanted to talk about, I guess, guncourtry in general. Like, to the average person is, it's almost shocking that because people are born 200 meters that way, that I guess you're going to grow up high in that person. And it is that, don't you think that's a bit, I guess, yeah, to the average person, that's crazy. But I guess when you're in it, it's different. Like, you're saying, like, you're this close to somebody. Yeah, and just because he lives there, you now have a problem with him? No, I'm proud of him. The way it is, it's not really like, like, again, we come from America. America was taught wrong. We was taught to hate each other. It's just like, even in Africa, right? They was, you got the black people that was selling the slaves to the people, to the Europeans and stuff. Prince Jerry, fake woke? So there's really no difference. I don't know where he's going with this right now. Cause it was going on, like black people against black people. Like, as they selling, they own people for money. So basically here, we're still in a trap, even though we don't know that we still got them in us, probably connected from Africa, but most some people is from Africa. They still got like they heritage ancestry in them. So, boom, it's in you to go against your own people still because it was been going on waiting for your time. Damn, we just... I'll let you know after this video. As hell on top of each other and come from projects and this, they broke up the projects and put everybody on these blocks. Now you, you was just in tune with them. I mean, you just in tune with them in the projects. Now you on the same block. Well, you buy on this block and they on that block. Now you trying to figure out how you going to get some money because you're not in the projects on session they no more. So they is like crowds and bucket, like the New Orleans saying, now they fighting each other because they want this territory for their money. It was going on waiting for my time. It was waiting for my mom and daddy time, just how it was set up. Do you think that'll ever change? Do you see an end to the violence in sale? I don't think violence will never change. I don't think it won't be no killing without killing. And almost, don't even think the picture is a little bit bigger. So it's almost like people are kept in these blocks, in these environments. Like I feel like it's the... Yeah, it's almost the government's doing why people are still in these environments. Like there's not much help. I mean, because... Let me speak my truth right now. Like, yes, there is a bigger picture. But if you can't see that picture, then there is no bigger picture. It's people in Chicago or people wherever they from that have never left their, however big their neighborhood is, they've never left it, ever. I know people that have never left California. I know people that have never left Chicago. I know people that have never left their block. Like when you brought up like that, there is no bigger picture. Especially when there's no big homies or nobody around you telling you, hey, get out here, like, go try this, go try this, go try that. How? You know what I'm saying? What was the second thing? In these environments, there's not much help. Because they may say, like, racism over with, they ain't over with. It's still going. That's why they got us like this because they want us out of their way. Like, for instance, right? They don't really care about us killing each other. They need neighbors. Facts, that's why there's so many cold cases. I mean, in their environment, that's when they gonna make it public and try to get you cooking it. Friends, right? Even kill somebody in the hood. Nine times out of ten, you gonna beat that case because they really not care about the case. But if we go to their territory, they gonna come get you cooking it. The suburbs. That's crazy. So it's almost like you're- That is a fact. That is a factual statement. If you do anything in the city, they really like, eh, eh. If you go to the North suburbs, South suburbs, West suburbs and do that same, if you had that same energy, oh yeah, you're getting booked that night. Over the weekend, you go on the court. You getting locked up the next week. Then your court case is probably the same week. And then you getting sentenced the next week. You're out of there. You're gone. Say good night. Life's worth nothing. I guess it's safe because there's been no hard investigation into finding what's happened. Yeah, so it's just set up like this. A lot of people don't understand that because they just stuck, still stuck in the trap. Yeah, that's a shame, man. It's literally a trap. It's a mental trap. They first, they trap you mentally. Then they put you between some blocks to trap you. And you really don't, you know, you good within the blocks. You don't really go venture out. Unless you find you a little female that's from somewhere else, and she take you out and she show you something different, that's really how you be going. Do you reckon that's ever, ever gonna change? Or do you reckon that's gonna be the... I don't think it's gonna ever change because a lot of people not waking up. Can't wake up. As well, Dre. What would you say is probably the biggest regret of your life? What if I told you for just a... Just like government aid. Government aid, section eight, or any of those things, you know, kept, it kept the man, it kept families, single households. It kept women in the household with their kids without a man because you couldn't get section eight. You could not get help from the government if there was a two parent household. So the man had to leave. The woman stayed with the kids and they got government aid. It was more beneficiary for you to be a single mother than to have a full household. It's part of the trap. I think it's almost still like that. Oh, man. I don't really got no regrets. I think life is less... I think everything happened for a reason, just to last, to learn from. What's the biggest lesson you've learned from so far? That's the biggest lesson I learned to stay me. That's the biggest, to stay yourself. Because a lot of people don't be that self. That's how they get eaten. The biggest lesson I learned is, people are only for you when it benefits you. It's the biggest lesson I learned. That don't change, period. No matter where you go in real life, IRL, if you can't benefit this one person, they're not really gonna rock with you. If somebody can't see the benefit in you, for what? For what? For what? There's no point to be around. And that's a tough cookie to swallow. There's no more genuineness out here. But real, a lot of people don't be that self. That's the biggest lesson I learned to stay myself. And what would you say is the worst memory of your life? The worst memory? Why am I blurry? I don't know. No, because every memory that's bad, it's the other side. What would you say is the best memory? The best memory? I don't know, I got to spend time with my kids together. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, I got a lot of good memories. Bro, where did you see yourself in five years time? In five years? In five years, I'll be. I see myself a little comfortable. But why did you move out of Chicago? Why did I move out of Chicago? I know if I'm in Chicago still, I'm gonna be stuck in the same thing. I'm just gonna get pulled in. So it's really like you have to leave where you're from to make it. It's just to stay focused. I ain't gonna say that's what you got to leave to make it. You got to leave, like put yourself in a, say you in, I don't know, because it's different for other people. No, no, it's not. No, it's not. I think what he about to say is, Chicago, you're gonna, even if you're on to something in Chicago, even if you're bettering yourself, but you still hang around and saying people, that pool, even though you see a better opportunity, the pool of the streets and that other stuff you used to do, that stuff was fun. Hanging out on the streets, going to parties, totem guns to a Chicago dude, that's fun. And that pool is way stronger than even, even the greatest opportunity you see. You can throw it all away. You see job on it, right? Like I don't want, I hate to use bro as an example. That man has a $200 million NBA deal, all the endorsements that he can have, but the pool of the hood is just way stronger. And if you don't, if you're not around the right people, if you're not around the right environment, it'll get you. That's why you gotta relocate. You gotta relocate so you don't know nobody. You know what I'm saying? More opportunity, you can focus, lock in. So most people that go to jail, they are away from the streets. So basically they're away from Chicago. So that's like helped them, the isolation like really helped them figure out life. Like I gotta get up out in a, but then sometime there's other people that would like still do the same dumb shit. So basically it's just like a. When I was in Chicago it was like a cloud was over me. I couldn't escape the cloud that was over me. No matter what I did, no matter what motion I had, I could not escape that cloud. I had to leave. Like it was almost depressing. Like, damn, I gotta go outside with this big ass pistol on me every day. Like I gotta do this. Like this crazy. I can't walk my daughter to the corner store. Like what? Cause there's a war outside my front door every day. Like I can't even, this is too much. It really started hitting me when I had a child though. Before I had a child it was, before I had a child I was like, I don't really care if I gotta blow this pistol. It's just gonna have to do be done. Like, but like, man, you get to thinking when you got a kid. Like, yo, if I leave this earth, what's going to happen to my child? Like who's going to take care of much? Everybody says when you, oh, I love your child. Oh, you got God parents. They're supposed to be there. No, everybody got their own thing going on. And just because my world ends, my life ends, I don't want my daughter's world to end. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just gonna stay alive. It's as simple as that and relocate. The violence is everywhere, but the chances of violence happening to a Chicago person that's from Chicago and you know, living in these socially or economically challenged areas, it's a lot higher. Isolation for me to stay folk. And if you had one wish as well, Dre, what would that be? So I would wish, I wish for a hundred billion dollars. But I would wish. And how different do you think your life would have been if you didn't move out of Chicago? I definitely would be. So if you never, if you never left. Yeah. I'll tell you, I'll probably still be in a trap. I still gotta keep coming because I gotta feel that, feel my arrival to keep me focused. I ain't gotta feel shit. I'm out of there. I ain't gotta go back for what? What the fuck? That's why I go places because it's almost like motivation. I still gotta go here to get the push. Like everybody go through like hard times and everybody go through emotional states. So for me, when I go to like, bullets and stuff, you probably like, man, this man crazy going to murder camps by itself. Now I was really on just getting the love and seeing it and it just pushed me like I gotta get out of there. Every way you've been all these months. See, that's the difference though. I was, I had love in Chicago for a show, but it wasn't enough love to make me stay. It wasn't enough love. I would never choose to rack over my daughter never in life. Goodbye. You get me? My love is coming from the UK. And I can get that love remotely from anywhere. So goodbye. Where the capitals? The UK saved my life. Thank you. Where would you say all the locations is the most violent place that you have been? Chicago. I ain't gonna lie. The New Orleans culture. The most different is the culture I've ever seen in my life. That's true. I guess that's why I love it because it's like they own world. And like, they don't people really fucked up. Yeah, so tell me about New Orleans. I love New Orleans. It's the coaches, the people really, the people really in the bucket. And the crowds in the bucket, they really in the drown and trying to get out. They just, they stuck in their way. They, I don't know, I love it because it's like motivation. It do seem like, I don't know if any of y'all ever been to New Orleans, it feel like it's a whole different world. It don't even feel like a part of the USA. So what to me about your chain? Chain, I got this from King Von, my brother. What would you say that means to you? To me? I mean, I mean, it's basically like all I got. Well, I know, I know bro with me all the time, but just tell me like he with me. And when you meet, I guess fans, they'll ask for a picture with the chain. What do you say? What did Taboo just say? When you meet, I guess fans, they'll ask for a picture with the chain. I'm sorry. If I had a whole block chain, if I was from out there, if I was anybody that had a whole block chain and a fan asked me, hey, can you take your chain off and put it on me and I take a picture with it? I might slap him. What kind of question is that? Like I look at him like, bro, are you dumb? I'm like, no. Mother could, I'm my family, you know. Yeah, family, but not, you know. Let me see the chain, let me see the chain. Kids, let me see the chain. But other than that, I ain't gonna let nobody else do that, no. But kids though, yeah. And what kind of message, I guess, would you give to that next generation? Because I feel like if anyone can change the next generation, have some sort of influence, it'd be the older generation like yourself. So what kind of things would you be telling these 18-year-olds, 17-year-olds who are now, I guess, going through what you did 10 years ago? I don't know because... That's annoying. Everybody not to say, everybody don't think to say. That's something that I learned. Everybody do not think to say. So I can tell a kid, man, look, anybody I talk to a touch, they go, they grow. They listen to me. But they gotta know me to listen to me. So I tell the kids, like, stay focused. Just stay focused, don't fall into the trap. We all fail, most of us all fail from the trap. So I just tell the kids, just keep going, just stay focused in school. Whatever you want to do, stay focused on it. Because you only get one life, once there's a gun, you ain't coming back. So that's what I tell the kids, just stay focused. Don't fall into the trap. Yeah, so tell me, I guess, how the gang violence has changed from, I guess, 15, 10 years ago to now when you have, I guess, social media, because in the UK as well, when people kill people, it's often glorified now as well, and it's promoted heavily. Okay, it'll be everywhere on social media. Yeah, I guess, how has that changed over time? Then, like, you got, back then it was real, like, powerful people, like, people that had millions of dollars before, like, it's people that had millions of dollars that you don't know about because there wasn't no social media. And it's people that was, like, the biggest killers that you won't know about it because it wasn't glorified on the internet, they don't talk about it. But now, they got the internet, you see everything somebody's doing, somebody wants their name, they want to be bigger than the person they have, like, they want to be bigger than big meets, they want to be bigger than big. I think somewhere along the line, the plot was lost. There's a lot of artists, like, before this generation, that was faking it until they was making it. They was talking about stuff they wasn't really about. They was glorifying stuff. And then, the people coming up, listening to them, like, oh, okay. Shoot, I'm really living this life. I'm really living that life. Or let me go really live that life and try to get on rapping now. I think that's where the plot was lost. And then you got the people that was fake living a life that was rapping about it, fake living a life that was rapping about it, moving into the new generation, with these people who was not, that are living a life and trying to get on. And now they're glorifying, they're really rapping about what they're really doing in real life. And it's just a trickle and downer for, like, man, I don't know what I was getting at, but it sounded good in my head. And then people, so, this generation feel like you gotta go to social media. You gotta show that you gotta glorify, you gotta, me, I'm a person, I come from gangsters, like, man, I'm not a loud person. You would never know what I did or didn't do or you won't know because I'm not gonna glorify that. I'm not finna incriminate myself and lose my life because I'm putting it out there in the world to see. That's just dumb. This generation is dumb. There you go, in a nutshell. And what would you say, because in the UK particular as well, drill music is often, I guess, demonized, like it's evil. Yeah, in the UK, I would say drill music is considered not a good thing by the masses because it often promotes violence. Jack, and that is the case. With the impact to my business and income, my return. I'm a lot of taboo, thugging with the inserts. Man, that's head of tool, like people say that drill music is devil and all that. But the people that are saying it is the people that put us in this situation to go through trauma, fight against each other. Like, we don't, as a whole, we don't know nothing because we were put in this situation. But do you think with drill music does promote violence? I don't think drill music promotes violence. Well, the way drill, drill music was started from people that are telling their life and their story. That's how we blew up off it because we were just rapping regularly in their life. We never knew what it was doing to the people until Keith took off. We never knew what the industry would do when they found out that that sales. The industry would bring somebody in, turn them into a drill rapper, that ain't a drill rapper. Yeah, just talk about this, man, whatever, talk about it. Or people realizing, oh, this gets you in. Remember, what's the dude, the white dude, the Jesus, what's his name? White Slim Jesus, remember him? Example A. And I was rapping, I wasn't doing it because I'm finna talk about this, I just was rapping because I'm like, dang, he did, I couldn't do it. I could tell my story, I could tell my story because we all got stories right here. People do it now because they was doing it but they thought we was just doing it for that but people really was going through this stuff. So now, like it's a lot of people that don't even be on that now. See? And then that's why I leave the niggas be dying too quick because they don't really know how to move before they even start talking about this and that. Man, how could you talk about this and that? You got a job, you got it, like I learned my lesson, like going to school, getting shot at into a thing. Now, how the fuck is we into it? They wouldn't go in to school. We think we can't get caught going to school. We think I'm gonna go work at McDonald's and get caught leaving at McDonald's. Think I'm gonna know it. So. A dude I was acquainted with died like that. He was involved. He had a nine to five. They drove past, seen him at his nine to five, spent the block, killed him at his nine to five. That's why gangsters can't have no nine to five. You just gotta be a gangster full time if that's the life you're choosing. E, coming back to Chicago whenever you do come back, is there still certain areas that you can't go? Would you feel free to go anywhere in Chicago? RIP. Chicago you like? Man, it's really like everywhere, everywhere, not just Congress, the place that it's just about how you move and how you come about with the situation. We really can go anywhere we wanna go. My understanding is that all blocks opposite is mainly 63rd. So could you walk through 63rd without no consequences? Could I do it? Yeah, yeah. And now, at this stage in your life? No, because if I'm just walking, just walking and they go, oh, they go, get them. No, I'm not gonna do no dumb ass shit like that. That's crazy, but. That is not, okay, I guess it is crazy to the average, but nah, just because you on a different path in life, that don't mean your past has changed. They still want you even more now. Oh, you think you just gonna give your life to God? Well, go meet them. That's really what they be on, okay? At the same time, what I can go, yeah, like I can do whatever I wanna do, but what I do that, do a dumb move like that, nah, I ain't doing that. Because I feel like the people who I've spoken to in Chicago, the older demographic, I guess have the same impression as you in the sense that, I guess, they're not really trying to promote that kind of lifestyle anymore. Like it's almost like you're trying to change the narrative to some degree. Like it shouldn't be shooting, it shouldn't be killing, which I guess is strange because I guess the 18, 19 year olds coming up now, they're constantly just promoting everything, like the lyrics, especially in the UK. The older generation now that used to rap like that, they understand the plot, that was messing up their money. So they're trying to backtrack it and walk it down so people will see like, oh, okay, he changed it. Let's book him now, book him for this, book him for that. Now the pocket books are back open. When you listened to Jalal Eswar in 1921, it's very self-incriminating. See, me, I ain't no hypocrite. I can't say stop the violence, I'm still talking about violence. Do you think your lyrics would influence again the next generation? See, that's how I come about. I'm trying to influence. I'm trying to tell you this, it ain't right. This is not what you think. You can lose your life like that. This is take two, one, zero seconds, man. That's how I come about. I ain't finna tell you, man, go kill them people, no. I want you to go make it out. What about a surprise, Erica, and that answer? WKG ad, we still skipping it, doesn't matter. You get me. That's just how I am. I want you to make it out. I don't want it to keep going with young people. I want you to make it out, too. But I also want you to be living reality. Be, know what's around you and know what you got to do. But also stay focused on your future. That's crazy, that's a crazy statement, I just, let me just. People, I got kids growing up. You think I want them to fall into the trap now? When you say that, fall into a trap, what does that mean? You already explained it, didn't you? Fall into a trap. Be stuck in, with my dog, say, environmental trap. Hey, is it cringey when I say you get me? So basically, in the private trap of what the government set out, they set the trap out with the cheese and they wanted to all fall in and we all fell in. I don't want the kids to grow up to be what we did or seen. As well, right, talk to me about Chicago slang. Since I've been here, everyone keeps saying bet. Bet? I've never had that. Oh, he's in Chicago. What's the taboo room? Hey, I hope you get some good interviews while you or did get some good interviews. Unless you were having a bet in the shop as a gamble. Bet me, like, I, okay. Yeah, yeah. If you be like, I'm on such and such screen and I tell you I bet. I mean, just okay. Yeah, it just means okay. I mean, I use that word a lot. I know of whoever watches my channel or I use bet, I think that's the top three words in my vocabulary is bet. Basically, okay. Yeah, it's like, okay. I think, is it back door? I think Wayne sent me a message saying, that's what back door means. Back door, back door just basically means. Set up. A snake. It's really in truth. My first time hearing back door was in St. Louis. It's just a quick one as well, on St. Louis, over there. St. Louis? St. Louis. St. Louis, wild too. East St. Louis is wild too. It's been busting too. Yeah. It's been on murder rates since back then in the 80s, 90s. St. Louis, another place where there was, I used to be there a lot too, a bit of vibe. All these murder capitals seem to have the same thing in common, that everyone there is black. Damn, tap. Because everybody is still in the trap. We is all in the trap. It's no different from an old block. It's no different from a Magnolia, no Calio, no these projects, no Cabrini Greens, these blocks. We is no different from nobody else. We all stuck in the trap. And I guess you're glad that you made it out? Truly, I ain't out, but I'm put out. It's a good little interview, man. That's all right. TLO, leave a like, comment, subscribe, turn on your post notifications. I'm gone.