 Shut the fuck up. I tell you big man come and say that right here First of all, I'm not Sam Harrison. I disagree with Sam on a number of things I'm also not Christopher Hitchens, and I think he was monumentally wrong about war and While I served in the military for eight years. I have massive objections to what our Christian led country did to try to Democracy everywhere they fucked the world up and what they did was they helped create more People who hate this country and more people who are now compelled to become jihadis Than to become secularists because the United States is not secular humanism in action And in just the same way that he Represented the United States Revolution as if it was a principle of secular humanism secular humanism didn't exist until 1963 with the first humanist manifesto You don't get to saddle everything that isn't Islam under secular humanism and as secular humanists are here in the United States fighting for equality and Freedom that allows you to be a Muslim and my and Mike to be a Christian and me to be an atheist It wasn't secular humanism that sent people out and tried to conquer Iraq And it wasn't me so no fucking saddle me with your delusion of what you think I believe Let's address what I actually think and say like I've done with you Yeah, very convenient you can mention 9-eleven You can mention all kinds of terrorist attacks to attack my position and attack Islam It's not condemns terrorism attacks killing civilians For the purposes of war so you can saddle me with that. No problem. You can just have a cute little hashtag I didn't boomer joke about it, but when I know when I point out all of these You don't age well my friend But when I talk about all of the tens of millions tens of millions that are killed by your ideology secular human I Ideology Deny it. We heard it. We heard anybody been killed. Yes Okay, fine. All right. Tens of millions your hands are bloody with the blood of millions. I'm not bloody You literally went to war like you're the last person. Yeah, come on man. Look at this. Yeah, look at this I'm sorry. You have to be winds about being classy. Look at that. I call him a boy It is classy is defending kids classy. I think so chill man chill chill Chill, what's that? You have no real argument. You have no real. I have no real argument. Other than That's no real argument. Oh You have that you want to have that's all your argumentation is about this curse James All you've done is oh, that's not the debate topic. Oh, where's the scientific evidence? Oh, you want to have the debate? You want to F kids there? That's the whole debate. I thought you're grown up. I can say fuck It's okay. Yeah Yeah, so secular humanism is a variant of liberalism all of the values that you claim as a secular humanist that you cited in your Opening statement were also the values that were cited as the justification for the invasion of Iraq Sanctions of many Muslim countries around the world the invasion of Afghanistan those secular Values were cited as the justification. That's why they call it operation Iraqi freedom That's not a coincidence. Now you want to wash your hands of that very conveniently. That's fine I'm not saying you personally supported those wars. My argument is that your ideology was the basis as a justification for those wars in that invasion I'll ask you a very simple question You believe in international law based on secular humanism not the Manifesto that no one knows about and no one has read but the secular humanism the idea of separation of church and state Individual happiness equality etc those values that I focused on in my opening Do you think that should be the basis of international law and should there be consequences for violating international law? Didn't I make a very express thing in my opening about the separation of church and state and how I would be fine And I'm a secular humanist and I would be fine with a secular state, but not a secular humanist state Didn't I make that clear? I thought so. Yeah, so secular. That's that's exactly what I'm talking about That's exactly why I'm attacking you're equating secular with secular humanism. And so anything that secular is bad Right. No, I said that secular humanism is a sub ideology of liberalism The values in liberalism include Value for freedom value for equality maximizing freedom and equality No, I say that should be balanced by other concerns like marriage family community I don't I don't know that marriage marriage and community are necessarily the parts But I'm not opposed to either one of them, but that's that's the conflict sometimes But if you're gonna but if you're gonna but if you're gonna We both want freedom and you can't just cite well freedom is the problem. That's not why I said freedom I said freedom is a value freedom is a value, but it's it should not be The only value that we max was Okay, so what other strong and me so what other value so for example in marriage You have certain obligations you have when you sign a marriage contract traditionally that requires Giving up certain rights giving up certain duties If a person just wants to opt out of that because they're just not happy with a marriage anymore Should they be able to do that? Should divorce be allowed? Yes. I'm in favor of divorce. I'm actually divorced no fault divorce Well, I no fault divorce gets more into politics and financing But I so I don't know necessarily which version of divorce is better But since I'm still really good friends with my ex-wife I should probably message her and see if she's okay with the way we got divorced We don't seem to have a problem with it or for example like within marriage You're not allowed to sleep with whoever you want, right? My wife was allowed to sleep with whoever she wanted while we were together, but what is that good? Is that a good thing? Yeah, that helped preserve your marriage. Yeah for most people it doesn't because when you when a spouse I wouldn't think I wouldn't think for most people. It's not cheating Yes, when for okay, call it whatever you want But when I know it's not she's involved with other people that will biologically reduce the attraction that the male feels for his spouse Hey, and that is that is part of the reason why marriage customs throughout the world involve fidelity Yeah, you have to be Faithful to your spouse. That's part of being in a marriage So if you want to preserve marriage you have to restrict someone's freedom to sleep with whoever they want if you say no No, freedom is most important. They should be able to sleep with whoever they want that undermines the institution of marriage Why because there's this biological attachment that's destroyed when your spouse sleeps with other people. Yeah, so This notion that I have no problem with marriage. I have no problem with people being in monogamous committed Relationships I've been one now But and I've been in one before the notion that your marriage is right for everybody else It's problematic. There are plenty of people who have marriages that are different There are sometimes too many who get married and it works out to women get married and it works out Evidently, there's some polygamous that that do it it works out. I don't I don't get it because it's not me It's not anything that I have want to participate in Was it but the whole premise was do you value marriage not you're okay with marriage? Because if you value something then what kind of policies would you put in place to preserve that institution? I don't I think that that an institution that has to be preserved through policy probably isn't nearly as valuable as you think it is Okay, then what about the policies for? Scientific education like what if there are countries that are like we don't need any scientific education There's only religious education and actually we're not going to educate most of the population What do you have a problem with that? Should there be a policy in place that no every country has to implement this type of educational model? I don't think I get to decide what what model in another country does But I can certainly speak out about how they may be Harming or depriving their citizens of a robust education by denying it I would prefer that they permit it. I'm gonna allow freedom That's the thing that's the thing with freedom if you want to say oh we should deny these this type of education Because we want to preserve this particular society. That's a problem. That's the problem that you built your entire Metaphor around is there are freedoms that you don't want to allow Because you're terrified of what will happen in the world if you allow them You don't get to decide for the world and that's why secular humanism is better than your version of Islam Because you get the longer mind you get to keep thinking this and living the life that you and whoever you convinced to actually be with you Want to live within reason until they come in conflict and then somebody's got to step in So is there any obligation for children to go to school? I? I am a fan of providing required public education So it's required. So you you're a fan. Yes, posing without a child's consent that they be placed into schooling I'm like so where where they learn where they rapist where they learn Yeah, so you don't believe in consent. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I fit up you so Daniel doesn't seem to understand so yet. Here's the thing that whenever you get caught on Insistency you make a joke or you blast the effort whenever you're caught out on You just Blurred out the f-word you make a joke for your plant to laugh at Every time I have a good point that he knows you're coming Whenever you don't have a chance to talk over me whenever you don't have an answer you have to make a dumb joke I have an answer if you shut the fuck up. I tell you big man. Come and say that right here I'm trying to say right where? You said come over there and say it I'm not violent I would never do you can't respond to any point you just make a joke I can't respond. So you do believe in schooling rape. So believe in Would you do you want an educational rate pretending that I don't hear you're Educational on an answer. Okay, you don't want an answer. I bet your boyfriend finds you really don't want an answer He doesn't want an answer. He'd rather pretend. I don't you believe you're a fan of educational rape Do you want an answer or you're gonna be pretending? I don't have one because I fucking got one You just you said you made a joke, but that's the reality You're you're a fan of forcing children without consent to go into schools where they will be subjected to a scientific world view That'll affect their entire lives at the deepest level You have you have no problem with the lack of consent in that situation how terrified he is of my answer And he was to prop up his straw man again about what I'm actually saying Yeah, here's the thing that Dan doesn't understand about consent and about parenthood parents don't own their children. You don't You are the caretakers of those children You are instilled with a responsibility to raise Responsible members of society and to teach them the minimal things that they will need to carry on a productive life When you're not around one of the ways that we do that is through a tax supported Public school system because parents are not equipped to work multiple jobs and teach their kids quite often Some of them are qualified to teach their kids at all And so we come up with a standardized Curriculum that we put in public schools, which represents in some cases at least the bare minimum reading writing arithmetic Things like civics and stuff like that because those are the things that kids are gonna need to know when they come To be responsible adults when it's time for them to vote when it's time for them to decide if they're going to join the military When it's time for them to choose for themself as an act of freedom What religion if any they wish to follow that is why I'm not only a fan of public education I'm not only a fan of compelled public education I think that raising the next generation of kids to understand how the world around them works So that they can function well within it is a moral duty There's your answer. Yeah, so you're a fan of educational rape Basically, you believe that you should compel children to go into these school systems where they're taught your Atheistic standards of scientific evidence the only things that are true that can be scientifically proven That is justifying atheism you're indoctrinating children with atheism within those school systems because you're teaching a Scientific worldview there is no choice that parents should have in that There's no choice on the on the part of parents that system is imposed You have no choice as a parent in certain countries in the US We still have homeschooling options, but they're fighting to liberal secular humus are fighting to actually destroy that option You go to a country like Germany you go to a country like Sweden Bastions of secular humanism. They also have banned homeschooling You have to put your children into these secular schools where atheism is the Ground ground assumption Not Islam not Christianity not Buddhism not Hinduism Atheism so this is non consensual It is quite violent because if you don't send your children to school The police will come and bust down your door and take your children by force And this is what has been happening to Christians and Muslims in Sweden. It's a Quite a heart-wrenching sight to see the police bust down the door of Muslims and take children in the name of secular Humanism you are not putting your children in schools. Therefore. We are going to take your children away This is the reality of secular humanism. Yeah, go ahead and wipe your hands Oh, that's not literally me, but you said you're a fan of compelled education. So you're in a fan of these types of policies yep If you enjoyed that especially juicy clip, don't forget to hit subscribe so the algorithm knows what to serve you moron