 Sort of realizing that a lot of movies are based in reality And so that kind of took me down the path of studying Ian Fleming in his life and British intelligence and The the operations that he was involved in Doing great man. Thanks for having me. Yeah The pleasure is all mine the first thing Jay and welcome to the bought the t-shirt podcast is What are the origins of Hollywood because I've heard some real kind of Fascinating stuff from a from an occult perspective People do speculate about the name the Holly branch and all that stuff But I approached it more from what I was studying in grad school So I went to philosophy. I went to school study philosophy and film just because I like movies always wanted to be an actor that kind of stuff and Ended up not doing that But I did study film and philosophy and in college in grad school and I started realizing that a lot of movies are based in reality And so that kind of took me down the path of studying Ian Fleming in his life and British intelligence and the operations that he was involved in and That was a direct parallel obviously to one of the biggest figures in Hollywood, right? I mean James Bond is iconic and so I studied how he was used during the Cold War for propaganda And what I started realizing was that Hollywood has always been an engine of propaganda It it has some fascinating roots. Obviously a lot of different mafia is involved in the rise of Hollywood over the years but the main Trek that I took and studying it was as propaganda. So I went and I read Edward Bernays for example in his famous book propaganda He has a chapter where he says that you know the greatest engine for for for propaganda is Hollywood Movies are the greatest engine the world's ever seen for propaganda. So I started realizing that there was a lot of different layers to Hollywood a lot of different things going on and then I started noticing that a lot of A-list actors have had been spies or they had been in formats. They had been assets Which kind of blew me away because you know if you hear the first time you hear that I remember the first time I heard that and I was already kind of awake to you know How the world really works? I thought that was crazy. It just sounded too much And then you start reading about you know people's biographies. They're live Jimmy Stewart Errol Flynn right there all actually had a side job where they would get paid to inform and spinal people for the government for whoever So I just went further and further down that rabbit hole and it just became obvious to me that there's this fascinating intersection of cults of intelligence agencies of Cultists of you know Studios producers actors. It's all just one big pyramid. You could say in a way And so that's what Hollywood is Hollywood is a kind of world of its own that that has just this fascinating history of all of those Elements mixing together and I would say that ultimately if you study History it's probably kind of always been that way, you know all the way back to the globe theater, right? to the The British royalty, you know, they had probably spies in the theater back at the time of Elizabeth and John D Right, so I think it's always been that way. It's just that now with mass media with the mention of the camera with War propaganda films right and that was a big part of the development of the camera was that they realized they could utilize this tool for shooting propaganda And so they started doing that early on and some of the biggest movies back in the 20s, right? Howard Hughes Hell's Angels these are the blockbusters of their day. They were just war propaganda films. That's all they were So it's kind of always been That way in Hollywood and once you read that and realize it is pretty obvious But that's what Hollywood is is just a giant engine of propaganda with all these different gears working together Before we talk about the symbolism that just seems to proliferate if that's the right word the whole the whole of Hollywood and the music scene and it's not even You know, obviously, it's not even They don't even tend to hide it now, which is kind of weird when you think More and more people know they recognize it now. Yeah, who are all these groups that are in play I Mean I Hear talk of the Kazarian mafia the Sabotee and Frank is cult Obviously, Illuminati is the the the one that most people know Then of course, we've got Freemasonry Then of course, we've got I'm hearing this word tech technocracy even more more and more which is kind of like the corporate In influence on our on our lives and all the sort of you know, the Control as it were what what what are we looking at here? Are we looking at lots of different groups? Or are we looking at one kind of? sort of Big big brother type agenda or What I look at it is is that you can think of it like a pyramid obviously that's pretty common sense everybody's seen that imagery, but what confuses people is the Fights or the the power struggles that happen at lower levels on the pyramid, right? So you might have say think of it like a mafia system like we talked about before like you might have one mafia That wants to move in on another mafia And that's probably happening at kind of the middle level of the pyramid and there's a real fat There's a real fight that's happening right the Cold War I view it in a similar way, you know on the level of espionage They're really were spies for the Soviets and spies for the CIA, you know doing these different things If you watch that TV show the Americans they actually show this in a fairly accurate way I mean, it's obviously it's exaggerated because it's Hollywood, but you know that drama takes place during the end of the Cold War And you've got this family of spies sent over here the illegals from Russia to you know do their Special operations here while they're while they're under deep cover And at the same time running throughout the film is this theme of a managed dialectic, right? So the two sides but at the top but over this this two-sided thing is a higher level and so one of my friends who's a Russian analyst he's translated a bunch of old KGB diaries and this kind of stuff from the kernels of the KGB and one thing that has come to light in these new translations is that there were certain figures like Victor Rothschild or like Robert Maxwell dislaying Maxwell's father. They were actually Working both sides British intelligence and the KGB, right? So they were trying to play both sides and if you read a book like Dr. Carol Quigley's angle American establishment. This is a briefer version of his kind of massive great tone Tragedy and hope, right? He will tell you what's going on. He lays out the whole plan for the last hundred years and He's an apologist for the establishment, right? So he's riding from the archives of the council in foreign relations from the archives of the CFR Which is one of the most powerful groups that's been around since the 20s 30s set up by the Rockefeller family set up by these Extremely wealthy families in tandem with the Rothschilds in in the UK and What they wanted to do was transform the British Empire into a Global technocratic Empire a secular technocratic Empire that would utilize all these different arenas That would utilize people in the black markets that would utilize people in the deep state the military industrial complex All of this would come under the ages of this plan For a world government. It's that simple So look at it think of it like this is the big mafia moving in and taking over all the other mafias That's the way I see it It was a plan that they concocted a hundred years ago and they went and they recruited all of these academics From all these from Oxford Cambridge East Coast US University's Harvard Yale skull and bones, right? This is all part of that structure and They're in on this inner plan to create a global technocratic government that you mentioned Orwell It's that's kind of what Orwell is describing Huxley, he's describing the exact same thing in very new world if you go read Hd Wells his science fiction is all geared towards Demonstrating this exact same thing. So that's the way I see it is that at the top you have the most wealthy families And technocrats Bill Gates types Rothschild types Rockefeller types. They're up there at the top and Then below them they have what they call the managerial class and this is mentioned in the Quigley book It's mentioned in more recent books by a global elitist like David Rothkopf This is about 6,000 people who manage everything. This is the corporate elite the CEOs the people that are Working at the NGOs think tanks foundations ran corporation Carnegie Mellon, you know all this kind of stuff University heads And that's who kind of manages everything and they pull and recruit from the people who go to the universities, right? And then kind of below this managerial class you have like the intelligence agencies and You know lower level tell people who are out there doing things who they think, you know It's for some greater good some good some noble cause or whatever heads of churches, right? They're they're all kind of co-opted into this as well. They don't even realize they're serving this this big system So that's how I see it playing out. And so and we can Jay Yeah, we can add education obviously to that and absolutely and and social work and these kind of Yeah, social enterprises that profess to be benevolent and good, but in reality just It's all kind of this top-down serving a higher tier on this ladder on this pyramid, you know, exactly And by the way, the the cults that you were mentioned like quote illuminati That's kind of a generic catch-all phrase that's been used by a lot of different groups in history I mean there was a historic quote illuminati with Adam Byshop and all that and they were kind of like Enlightenment free thinkers enlightenment atheists They weren't really a cultist per se But they did kind of transmit an idea of revolutionary thought and philosophy that would influence other revolutionary movements communism this kind of stuff does have a lineage back to Adam Byshop through people like a Giuseppe Mazzini and Even even Albert Pike people like that can be Classed as revolutionary philosophers you could say and they're part of that revolutionary tradition other groups like Crowley and the Oto and you know his stuff they'll call themselves the illuminati, too, but they're more of like a Ceremonial magic black magic kind of thing So you've got a lot of different groups using this term But really in my view, they're all part of this same pyramid and they might be a different, you know bricks on this period You know, but as we get up to the top, I don't think there's any question that you know the wealthiest families Even the Vatican, you know, they're all part of this pyramid now Yeah, does he go higher than then Jay do you think because I've heard the Rothschilds are just You know, they're just like puppets again for You know, it could be I've heard that thesis as well But I just try to I just try to stick with what I can document and I can document from the establishment themselves and their writings That you know, those families are up Milner Cecil Rhodes You know, these are some of the the most powerful people last century. He's who really set up the system that's coming into play Are there people above that older families black nobility? It's entirely possible And I'm open to you know any evidence that people have for that These these people don't really have the best interest of the rest of the world in their hearts The second thing is is what they're doing. It's pretty evil and unless there's some Benevolent agenda that that we've all been blinded to or we can't we're not clever enough to see So is it a stretch then to think that they belong to these esoteric cults? Yeah, black magic Yeah, no, I think a lot of them a lot of them do right a lot of them Do have an esoteric? Bent to their to their worldview Maybe not everybody. I mean for example, I've never found evidence that's the David Rockefeller I've never found evidence that he himself had any esoteric views, but other members in the Rockefeller family did Edith I think one of the Sisters the older sisters of the Rockefeller family She thought that she was the reincarnation of Pharaoh's daughter She went and talked to Carl Jung and they did some kind of regression nonsense and Carl Jung was like, oh, yeah You're a reincarnated bride of Pharaoh. All right. So so there's definitely that background if we look at The philosophy of the United Nations Alice Bailey Annie Basant help Helena Blavatsky They were openly into this Luciferian theosophy type of worldview a lot of the early Founders of that what they call the society they elect This is the people around Milner roads Rothschild that were setting up this coming world order a Lot of them were really into New Age stuff. They were into mesmerism They were into Christian science, which is kind of similar to the osphian New Age in certain ways So definitely a lot of these families do have that There's a lot of wealthy elites in the US rich families. I'm talking about super rich families That have interest in the occult the Duke children have come out in interviews saying that their family was involved in Occultic stuff. So there's no shortage to Stories that have come out about that, but I would say at the top Yeah, even even people who don't even know if they're serving something evil could still be serving something evil because I believe that It's a spiritual reality that's even higher You know, you probably heard David I talking about this kind of stuff I think he's I don't agree with every position of David Ike but I think that when he talks about that they're being like a higher level of spiritual entities I've interviewed a dr. Richard Spence who wrote a book on how Crowley worked for British intelligence as an asset and he thinks that Where the British establishment got the idea for their version of MK ultra was actually from Crowley's drug diaries Which I think is pretty plausible because you see people like Leary and John C. Lily directly referencing all Sir Crowley saying oh, yeah, we're gonna Continue the work that he did right so there's this conscious and and I Tracked down I read Lily's autobiography and if you don't know he's the crazy guy who came up with the dolphin like giving Dolphins LSD making flip or trip Right and this was all done at the behest of the Office of Naval Intelligence, right? Well, then he moved on to working in brain chips and putting chips in people's brains and you know working with signals and frequencies This is all in his biography. It's not it's not hidden And then he moved into working in the float tanks, so if you've ever seen that movie with William Hurd altered states That late 70s early 80s movie. That's actually about John C. Lily and he was all doing that under the ages of the Office of Naval Intelligence and the CIA and in the in the US and all of that was about him Going into the float tank so that he could speak to you know, I have this sort of interaction with these entities Now a lot of these people think it was aliens. I don't think it's aliens I think it's spiritual Spiritual beings basically demons that they say the same thing that demons have said that shaman throughout the history of you know Planet Earth have all had the same interactions They all say the same stuff. So I think that's what was going on But what's fascinating is that whether it's leery or Terrence McKenna or John C. Lily they all say that They're getting kind of ideas and inspiration and and even maybe technology from these entities. That's the fascinating part My gosh, it's yeah It's hard to know Yeah, it's hard to know. I think this this former seal that I spoke to Jay when he talked about ETS I I don't think he was referring to like the space, you know, the Space got space little spacemen sort of thing. I think he just was using extraterrestrial as Like not of this earth sort of thing, you know, yeah, right. Yeah, I agree It's that an actual thing. Do you think or do you think it's? Like metaphorical or do you think it's in people's minds because people say to me when I talk about addiction And I lost my mind for on and off six months, right? And I remember it very well. I mean, I've written written my book eating smoke about it and When I described it, I said if you take crystal meth every day for pretty much six months and you've got to take increasing quantities as you get more and more I don't know about used to it Finally you you're putting such strong chemical into the synapses of your brain that rather than fire like this they they Start doing this and so you start to not make sense of your world, right? And then and then I've had people in my comments section go Chris. That's You take this if you take drugs you open yourself to the spiritual realm and income that the the gins, you know that the I don't know if they're evil spirits, but they they they seize that to control you and yeah As a metaphor, I'd say that's Brilliant metaphor, you know because there's your higher self your spiritual self and And your lowest self so your animal self and we know that if we keep ourselves in in in this area That's your kind of like your good angel stuff and if you do the stuff from the waist down the the greed the You know the jealousy gluttony too much sex or lust that this stuff's going to make it unhappy and of course Taking a poison every day for six months. I a drug is Kind of gonna destroy your connection with God or nature or universe whatever whatever we want to call that right and when you when you when you've destroyed your Your your shrine as it were your temple and you're down there instead of like vibrating up here Then you do, you know, you are having mental health issues and Now as I said, I can get it if that's like a metaphor for these gins coming in but It's hard to someone like me it seems a real stretch that people actually think these are these are entities But I mean like what do I know, you know, let me give you here's my argument why I think they are real entities So well first of all, I've had a bad trip So I've had good trips and bad trips So I know what the bad trips like and I've had interaction with an entity on one bad trip But I'm not gonna use that as my argument because you could just say well, that's just a you know Like you said, that's just a manifestation of your mind. It's just chemicals reacting. It's a mental phenomenon. It's not a real thing There's a book by a famous Comparative religion scholar his name is Marquia Iliada. He's a Romanian. He's probably the most famous comparative religion scholar He wrote a book on Shamanism the books just called shamanism and He went and studied all the shamanic traditions and tribes that he could famous Oxford Publication And what he found was that there is a pattern To all of them a consistent pattern to every one of these shamanic Traditions and experiences now not every experience of the shamanic You know stuff is exactly the same but there is enough of a consistent pattern of the process of what happens to the shaman That he concludes that there's something going on more than just a mental I mean a mental state. So if it was just a mere mental state Nobody has the exact same mental state, right? So there's got to be some kind of underlying Reality beyond just the purely synapse firing type of thing So I think that book is a pretty good case even just setting aside, you know Speculations about religious traditions just looking at the data of the patterns and different shamanic traditions that In my view, there's something more going on than than just a metaphor I mean, there is a metaphor, but there's also something more than just a metaphor Jay, let's peel back to Hollywood if we may because My understanding is, you know, they're doing all these signs and I I'm guessing I don't know That these celebrities Don't really know what they're doing Or they conveniently tie on a blind eye because you know if you're told to cover your eye in a photo shoot and then You know, you're gonna get a million dollars in your bank account every year then I'm guessing For people that desperately crave fame and adulation Which a lot of people who've been damaged in their lives do it's why I started writing I wanted to be famous, you know, I wanted I wanted my five minutes of fame at least, right? I wouldn't have gone to the I don't think I would have sold myself to the to the devil to use the departments But who It's like let's talk about because who is making them do it or maybe they're involved in these cults and You know, I'm sure some of some of them are because you look at you know, no, just suspect Mr. Bono, but You just don't look right, mate. You know, you don't look right and of course, you know, they can't be blind to these lyrics that They're singing and the stuff they're having to do in the music videos and so What is going on there? Jay, do you think and also why does it so much seem to be Along the lines of the Masonic Symbology that that that that we say, you know the checkerboard and the eye of Horace and this kind of thing Good question. So I would say that yeah, most people going into entertainment. They don't know any of this stuff I mean I used to do stand up and I would you know, I'd go out to clubs and I wanted to be an actor I wanted to I had no idea what was going on I just thought I thought well you you go and if you are the most talented if you're good Then you're gonna rise to the top, right? But then you quickly learn that that's how the world really works is not based around talent one thing that's important to see is like Bloodlines dynasties, right? Hollywood dynasties. So a lot of the children of the stars who've been abused go into Stardom and they become stars and so they kind of perpetuate that cycle. A lot of those families are Involved in cults. They've been involved in these different control structures You know, Hollywood has a lot of Freemasons. It has a lot of Cobblers. It has a lot of Satanist It has a lot of Crowley ends. I mean you've got all these different new age years, right? I mean Hindus, I mean, they're basically it's it's a plethora of different cults and Families involved in long-term cults and even some of those cults have been, you know exposed as pedophile cults, right? You think about the the children of God cult right with you know, you've got Rose McGowan You've got River Phoenix Joaquin Phoenix, you know, they come out of that Well-connected kind of poll famously well-known So all of that's going on All at once and so the symbolism again like you said for a lot of the People who want to move out to Hollywood to be famous or whatever. They don't know what's going on But at those higher levels, they do know what's going on. And so think of it like a military I mean you've talked about military, you know, it's compartmentalized, right? You've got the the enlisted soldier He doesn't know what the general's up to right because the knowledge is compartmentalized even people my dad was on a ship and you know, he worked on a one gun on the ship and He would get a message. He was told to push the button when it was ready to fire, right? But he didn't know what the captain was up to right? He didn't know what intelligence the captain was getting and why they were doing he was just doing what he was told to do And so in the same way, you know Mafia has worked that way. It's compartmentalized the information is compartmentalized big operations like Manhattan project work that way People will be working on one part of the bomb. They don't know what's going on the other side of the factory Or what this is all going together to make So the world is running that same way and Hollywood's running that same way You've got these different characters at higher levels. And if you think about something like masonry I mean Albert Pike says in World's the dogma. He says that the lower levels. He says we intentionally don't tell them what's up He says we intentionally give them misinformation So we tell them a bunch of baloney, right? And it's not until people get higher and higher in this this ladder, you know pyramid structure That they have a higher a Bigger picture view of what's going on. I mean think about it like a mountain if you're at the base of the mountain You can't see what's going on You know, you're letting you can only see the tree line, right? But the higher you get up to the top of that mountain you can see the whole big scale picture, right? That's the way I think all this stuff works Gosh, yes, and so Are they trying to my understanding of these kind of cults is they believe By draining your power they they gain that power so by getting you to be negative It's not like they get positive. It's just that they that energy That feeds their needs and and makes them makes them all Powerful so to speak and you can see it. I mean to me to me J It's so obvious when you've got a rock concert And let's just say the stage is set up Like if you know what you're looking for it's it's more like an altar than a than a Than a rock concert, right? And good point. Yeah, you got the red light there and the you know red and black symbolism and all this stuff And then you've got this crowd That are so You know, you've got a star then he's What's the word adulate? You know, he's craving that adulation You can see the star he or she is soaking that up It means so much to them, right? You can see why they suck They you know They would sign a deal if it was offered to them because this is just from a broken childhood and because you're good at singing you're suddenly you you're getting 10 20 sometimes 30,000 people singing your name and then when you look at the crowd and then they're just like ah Well, I think the The system knows how to play to people's weakness and to their vanity and so if you're talking about the star Yeah, a lot of times people are kind of groomed and they're they're they're prepped to play that role and It really feeds into just their narcissism, right? So it to have a narcissistic pop star or whatever Uh, it helps if that person has been as you said damaged or they had a dysfunctional family And the same thing goes for people who go into, uh, you know intelligence work or whatever a lot of times those are people who Um have been traumatized intentionally And and wealthy families have for a long time known this and they've done it on purpose They they've intentionally traumatized their children to make them into kind of buttholes, right? I mean To be a leader in the system you got to be a total butthole With no empathy and that kind of stuff So they try to breathe the empathy out of people intentionally actually quickly talks about that, you know at the end of tragedy and hope he talks about how There's the the elite would intentionally for example, send their children away in the formative years So that they would not have Parental familial attachment so that they would lose that aspect of their of their self to become kind of these narcissistic sort of sociopathic Monster types and that's done on purpose. It's done. It's done the elites have done that for millennia on purpose They know how to do that stuff which is which is sad, but that's what they do So so that's going on and at the same time uh, the purpose of like a ritual of a big ceremony, you know, we think about the the Super Bowl halftime show and all this kind of nonsense and the the olympic games and all this weird imagery at the That's to focus everybody's attention You see you've got millions of people's attention focused on this billy prep maybe a billion or more And then you do this ritual that's supposed to speak to the subconscious that's supposed to it Amits a message even if the conscious audience Doesn't know it or can't see it. They don't even know but this is being implanted in the subconscious and they're being ritually programmed That's the purpose of all this and if that sounds crazy Well, just go read sun zuf go read any Classic work of psychological warfare and you will get those same principles there. You'll get the the idea that for example, there's a uh A famous chapter in macchiabelli's book art of war He wrote a version of of art of war Just like our sun zu had art of war Machiavelli wrote a separate book called art of war and in book six he talks about all the different psychological tricks to play on the the opponent, right War time if you study wartime, you know this you know that there's all kinds of tricks that you play on the enemy to dupe Them to demoralize them. That's the whole purpose of it, right? So the elite they know how to use all those same tricks on the population as a whole to demoralize them, right? So what you talked about that psychic vampirism is absolutely real The stars operate like these little figures that sort of suck in the attention and the energy of The the masses and then they feed back into the masses Whatever demoralization message that they want to send and it has a kind of Like a lot of things in life, isn't it that there's other implications as well because You've got all these masses that rather than looking to attain this kind of Higher power themself Which you can easily do through through just getting spiritual eating a good diet running around the block twice a week and loving your family Right is i'm always saying you know paradise is in your head but because they've been Controlled their whole life and fed the the rubbish food and the alcohol and the coffee and and And the junk tv and they've been broken down by magazines that tell them they're ugly And and all of this and tv that makes them scared scared scared And of course they look up to this megastar and They they're living is it vicariously through this but it's like wow You know It's prince and of course That's really powerful because it means that the people don't bandy together to work on themselves and get And and get this satisfaction in their own lives. It's it's a bit like football, isn't it? They call it opiate for them for the masses There just seems to be so many different agendas in play And i'll just name a few and maybe you'd feel free to chip in but You've got this feminization Of the masculine, you know You can see it on tv where they seem to for some reason they seem to want to make black men dresses women As often as possible and if that You know sounds a bit bizarre to anyone home just just google it, you know Every one of your black stars has been made to dress up as a woman At least one point in their career If not more Um, you've You've got the masonic symbolism blaring out of Hollywood and the music industry um, you've got the the the whole kind of um The agenda was agenda 21 and it's now what agenda 30 the kind of control you in your own home control What you see on the internet control your energy supply Maybe we have chips in our hand and that's our digital currency basically can treat complete control of the human being and the ability I guess to switch you switch you off if you don't comply um you've again got Like the the war agenda where people these corporations that the the military industrial complexes clearly create these conflict You know you've got your pyramid and let's just say you've got cubes within the pyramid or pyramids within the pyramid And of course they all interlock don't they you know, and then you might get one pyramid that actually encompasses Six or nine other pyramids inside the pyramid, right? Is it something like this or is all this just like one agenda that that Either people discover it in their life or they don't um I would say that uh, if we want to use another military um idea the pentagon Some years back came up with what they call full spectrum dominance And that's really the the game playing here. I mean that was the u.s. Milits, but remember the the u.s Military pentagon. Those are just that's just a tool of these Megacorps, right? I mean they work for these big uh military industrial complexes be the defense contractors all that Big pharma it's all part of the same Power structure and the pentagon is just one arm of that And and when they say what we're going to do in the next 20 30 50 years is full spectrum dominance They literally mean every area of life like you mentioned education Uh biology the biosphere. All right geo engineering. It's very real in fact the head of davos He just wrote a book the shaping of the future of the fourth industrial revolution He's got a whole chapter on geo engineering But if you talk about geo engineering, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist But if the head of davos were all the elite going meet once a year this big Uh party when he writes a book talks about it. Oh, it's uh, oh hail this great genius who writes about it But if you talk about it, you're a crazy conspiracy theorist. I mean again, it's all areas of life It's nano tech. It's it's Psychological warfare. It's the arts. It's the biosphere. It's education It's religion all areas of the life of life come under this overall plan I'm glad you mentioned the eco stuff because that's what they dreamt up Back at the club of rome meeting many years ago. If you look up this book called the first, uh, global revolution The club of rome was one of these elite think tanks. They said that the the new problem that we would Uh invent for everybody is the environment And pollution they said will be the key for us to say that the real pollutant is humans in general And they admit that it's just made up They said we will come up with a new problem to unify everybody and it'll be this eco cult so, uh And that makes perfect sense because you read other elitists in the royal society circles like arthur kessler and ghost in the machine And kessler says in ghost in the machine that yeah, we got to bring back Uh human sacrifice we got to bring back cannibalism Blood cults, right? You were asking elites that are into that stuff. Well, there's one right there He says there's nothing wrong with any of that. Let's bring it all back. Let's just have a giant amazon as tech cult Running everything and we'll worship the planet and what we'll do is that'll get rid of a large portion of the population And then we can move into the next phase of evolution, which is transhumanism in their view You said about the conditioning as children and we all know about attachment theory Was it dr. Bulby said if a child is not with its parents at a certain age I think attachment theory is actually really young age like so when it's an infant. Yeah Then it it lacks it doesn't it doesn't understand empathy. So basically It's on its road to becoming a sociopath, right? Yeah and So these public school what we call private schools in the uk public schools I don't know why we do that, but but we do it's where all the kind of rich You know hoi paloi send their kids and So I've got this kind of picture that You know your dad's an international banker your mum's a jet set or whatever you You're a kid You've probably had nanny so you haven't had your real Mother and father look after you a tool much in your life Then you get to five years old and you're farmed off to a to a boarding school a private You know like um, yeah, I don't even know know the Know the names of them, but And then of course you don't have that parental connection at all your your maternal or and paternal figure becomes the boy that's like in the year older than you or two years or the The guys that are going to bully you right and then of course your first sexual experience It's probably one of these guys. I have a touch in you up So you basically you're a little sociopath already. Sorry children. I'm just I'm just putting this scenario scenario out there You're a little sociopath already now your role models are pretty mucked up What i'm trying to get at jay is where the hell does this mass scale? abuse take place You know or I mean and I mean I don't expect you to know. I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on it um, all I can go with is what I've You know proven. I mean, there's a lot of speculation out there Um, I know that there was speculation because of hunter s. Thompson. You know, he would talk about adrena chrome There's speculation about that. I don't I don't know the details of that Um, I have a friend who's a chemist and he says that you know this stuff can easily be synthesized So I don't I don't know if they have to like have giant farms. I mean it could be I don't know There've been cases, you know, where people like you said have you know, obviously busted a lot of human trafficking and that kind of stuff So I don't know about that in particular, but I can think of a couple books that do discuss Um, like hearth barker has an interesting book where he talks about his experiences He alleges that he went through some of this stuff when he was a kid Um, again, it's just firsthand accounts But what's interesting is that what he wrote in that book a lot of what he said would take place in the next five ten years has happened So I'll give him credit for predicting a lot of what's happened and he does discuss some of this this stuff and He doesn't mention the scale of it, but he says that you know, this is what goes on at a lot of these, you know, really elite Mansions out in the country this kind of stuff. So so all I can say is what you know Is in the books that are out there like The franklin cover-up book, uh, you know kerth barker's book I don't trust malachi martin. I think he's a dubious character But he talked about this stuff going on in the Vatican back in the you know, 80s and 90s So it's definitely there's definitely reality to it But to as to the scale, I don't know but as to how prevalent the human sacrifice is I'm not sure although I will say that when the fbi declassified their stuff on the finders And the famous mc martin case it turns out they're work tunnels So this thing that the so-called conspiracy theorists have talked about that the media was ah, you're crazy There's no tunnels. Ha ha ha. You're an idiot. Well all turns out in the fbi declassified documents. They're work tunnels So that wasn't made up. It's funny. I mean after I spoke to to rob uh, robbie williams that is for people that don't haven't seen that um podcast And he's also gone on to do another interview of it with a form of bbc journalist now and Like my god, they It's interesting when I chatted to him they came in and they did articles But it was only on the pop stuff, you know the tacky Superficial he said this about this pop star and that was as deep as it went right for this um Other journalist it's gone a bit deeper now But but only as far as they'd come out and they called him wacky for Talking about pizza gate, right? They got it wrong. They said he was supporting the theory, but he wasn't he was saying My jury is out. I I'm not saying it's happened. I'm not saying I haven't I don't know and you know, it's kind of like a Could could be a fair argument But um I've just kind of got this thing, you know, if wikipedia calls it a conspiracy theory then well You know, it kind of means it's true, right? The mainstream media call it conspiracy then it's kind of true Yeah, I mean in that particular case. I don't know the exact details. Uh, a lot of it's uh Unclear. I mean obviously something crazy is going on Um, we again, there have been many many cases have documented You know trafficking so I mean I think it'd be more beneficial people focused on the things that are documented But people love to speculate and they love to I'm not saying there's nothing going on I'm just saying people love to kind of speculate about stuff when it's a lot easier to look at the real documented cases I mean you mentioned the uk In the u.s. I mean how many instances have we had of human trafficking busted? you know how many Cases of of sundeskis and savils and I mean it comes out all the time and yet people are gonna spend all day speculating I mean we don't have to speculate because there's countless cases keep coming out when people call it doing this stuff So why would it even be like what why is it crazy to speculate when there's Countless cases where it's real and documented court cases Yeah It's interesting. I haven't looked a lot of this kind of is it ninth circle stuff And there's undoubtedly Well, I don't know about that like I'm not been I'm just talking about again what things are And I'm not saying oh, well, then I trust the mainstream media. I'm just again Going with what I can prove And when something's in court, that's a much better case for it being real then Yeah, just kind of people speculating online, which is again not to say that there was nothing going on or that I know for sure what's going on. Yeah, if the football league the premier league is your main educator in life That's what you're gonna believe right, you know, that's yeah, well, I mean I mean that no disrespect. It's just the truth. That's That's just just how it is the same way in the u.s. People, you know worship the nfl It's it's a that's what they live. Yeah, and it doesn't it serves a very important function It keeps people's mind off of off of what, you know, the of community spirit and Talking to people and other than talking about football obviously um, but yeah So so that I get that a lot. I think people still feel like they've got to be the apologist for For seeking the truth and I like everybody I meet now just knows the truth Yeah, I mean if if after epstein, you still can't figure out what's going on. There's no hope for you Yeah, my only thing is is I I try to get people not Robbie Williams came up with a great expression. He said don't be a red pillar, right so meaning Don't be a person that grabs hold of every single theory out there and believe in it because obviously a lot of them are Put out by the cai cia. Yeah, there's a lot of dis info. Absolutely disinformation like all the jfk stuff that Is now We now know obviously comes from shadow government three magic bullets or whatever it whatever it whatever it is but My thing is I just say to people yet always keep your jewelry up your your jewelry out You know, could you give your books a shout out so we know know what they are? Yeah, I did esoteric hollywood one and esoteric hollywood two and they focus on Kind of my weird way of doing a film analysis So I do about 80 pages of cubrick and then I go into science fiction how it programs us what we're supposed to Why science fiction was so important to the establishment? Then I go into intelligence agencies in hollywood towards the end and then in the second book I went into Areas that I kind of overlooked like relationship between different mafias in hollywood Colts in hollywood And then I get into mk ultra in hollywood how it's presented and then it ends with Transhumanism in hollywood so you can get those books at my website jason allsas.com and then I have TV show hollywood decoded full production tv show at gaya tv where we basically took information in the book And then my website is jason allsas.com where you can get my lectures and talks where I cover a lot of these writings of the elite and kind of summarize those and then recently last few days have been Yesterday I hosted the outer jones show so You can find my stuff at band up video as well Right, and I'm going to put all your links underneath the youtube So anybody who's listening on itunes or whatever wants to find just go to my youtube channel They'll all be there So for people listening mk ultra was a project monarch as in like Named after the butterfly was a cia Project back in there. I don't know if we're talking sixties that Well it began in I think the late 40s where they were looking for a Truth serum and it was under the ages of the military initially And like I said, there was a kind of a British Version of it with earlier on with huxley and tavastock institute and all that but in the us Mk ultra itself was just one of the many sub projects of the overarching Mind control projects of the of the cia that began like I said It was military and then it transitioned into the cia in the 50s and 60s big pharma had a big role in that Um And what they were looking for was I said initially a truth serum, but then it kind of morphed into Bio warfare. Uh, so it became these other projects at fort detrick became in case search Where they were trying to look for the different ways that chemicals could alter human consciousness human thought There's a lot of great books on this. There's walter bowert's book operation mind control there's uh Search for the Manchurian candidate by john marx My book has multiple chapters that discuss it Um, but yeah, there's a lot of public information that's out about this now. That's pretty It's a lot of not everything but a lot of it's declassified Um, and so who knows where they've taken it since then but It was always connected what a lot of people don't know about this was that it was always connected to Um electronics research signals research elf dlf brain ships that was always part of mkilture, right? It wasn't just a mind control Uh lsd thing all of these things were part of this overarching study to master The domain of the mind And a kind of a red flag for me there is whenever the Security agencies come out and say oh we don't do that anymore It's a what you had the ability to control someone's mind to The perfect assassin and you want us to believe you just you drop that project Right, okay, you know, it's almost I'll make maybe i'm being a bit naive on it. I think it's No, it's what what's more important than this the assassin thing that was just one aspect of it with the doctor, uh, you and cameron and got leave and all that but there was a Applying the principles that they learned to The mass population that's what it was really about It's not so much about creating some so-called assassin It's about what do we learn in these test cases with individuals that we can apply on the mass scale That's what it's about But I do think that some of these people you watch the interview with britney spears I mean she seems to have altered personalities Yeah, it's it's crazy for for people listening that And to al if you ever get to watch this no, no, I mean no offense to you, but It's very bizarre. So you've got this tv personality generally a sort of presenter type chat and he's In this outside audience and he's doing his talking bit with a couple of other presenters and one of them turns to him and speaks When that person says the the phrase holy ghost, which is just in in the conversation Yeah, holy ghost he goes And he's just Flops into this trance staring dead ahead these two continue talking away and then they're like And and you see this a lot in these presenters it's this isn't just like a one-off There's numerous Much video footage of this happening. There's that wendy the the black woman. I she's got like a daytime show She just suddenly starts Freaking out and screaming in the middle of one of her things and i'm i'm i'm not a subjective type person I'm probably like uj. I lean to the objective and yet You don't know that this couldn't have been put on you don't know it might not be some kind of Like one of these illuminati Where the celebrity has to go and make a fool of themselves because that seems to be part of a humiliation ritual Yeah, the humiliation ritual, you know, like when Kanye goes and tries to grab the the music award of of this kind of thing right but but um I really it really does seem like these People have these split personalities Many do uh, you know how many I don't know but they at times they talk about it. Um You know Beyonce seems to hint at that at times whether she's playing that up or I don't know but Uh, I think Britney Spears pretty clearly does. I don't think she was acting. She's not a very good actress So in that uh barba walt that famous barba waltz interview she seems to um Uh, Anna Nicole Smith if you watch the old clips of her she seemed to have these dissociation spells Brian wilson of the beach boys claims to have these dissociation spells. So Uh, that does happen. Um, but as to how many of the pop stars actually have that it's hard to say But there is some reality to that. Absolutely and just one aspect I I've mulled over is If you think about it These people in the they're in the public eye They must be many rich men's fantasy these gorgeous looking, you know news news presenters who who all look stunning and These celebrity pop stars that are you know at the top of their top of their game and It it because one of the mk ultra thing was the sex kitten one, wasn't it? You know they they you say You say the keyword and they turn into this sex bomb and Yeah, there was uh, yeah attempts to create uh, like a sex slave Yeah, absolutely because when you see like a newscaster and they break down and they they suddenly can't talk they go Like like this it's weird, right And you think and we're hanging why would they control a newscaster? I mean to do that job You're gonna you you probably got to be the sort of person that's just got a lie for a living Any you know tell tell the sociopaths lies and not question it which they obviously don't But then of course you think we're having a set This is a really pretty woman and there's there's Millions of people watch her every day. Well, that's the story of candy jones. I mean she's one of the famous Donald bane wrote a book about her. She's the famous kind of monarch sex kitten That supposedly was one of the first and she claims a lot of that stuff. She comes up in the walter billard book Uh, I mentioned her story in my book Uh, but there's other stories of uh, people who've gone through that as well The the kerf barker book mentions that of the the sex slaves Um, and I would not be surprised if yeah, some of these pop stars haven't also been through some kind of Uh sex kitten thing because Yeah, I mean, I mean that was a story a long time ago about I won't say who but one of the big pop stars Admittedly she said yeah, I was paid. Uh, I don't know how many thousands of dollars to go sleep with one of the sheiks Right, some arab sheet dude paid. I don't know how much And uh, she said yeah, I was I went and I did it for you know, $50,000 or whatever much it was So, you know if that's going on And and they have the opportunity to you know Be around world leaders this kind of stuff. There's a lot of information that could be had there, right? You get a you get a Uh, I mean intelligence agencies have used swallows ravens and swallows raven as a male Sex gigolo operative a swallow as a female. I mean that's gone on for millennia So thank you so much for coming on the show. Um, thank you Um, you're obviously a man that knows knows your stuff. It's um, very impressive Thanks, man. Appreciate it. So jay, just stay on the line when I say goodbye to our wonderful friends at home So wonderful friends at home. Thank you for watching. I hope you found that as fascinating As I have thank you for watching the bought the t-shirt podcast big love and respect to you and your families Please like and subscribe if indeed you did like and uh, See you next time