 Everyone, welcome to tonight's Common Council meeting. As always, we start the meeting with the quote for the week by our city Clark Sue Richards. Thank you. The game of life is the game of boomerangs. Our thoughts, deeds and words return to us sooner or later with astounding accuracy. Call the 7th regular meeting of the Common Council to order. Please call the roll. Born? Here. Bawk? Here. Decker? Here. Gisha? Here. Hanna? Here. Heidemann? Here. Kittleson? Here. Cleoness? Here. Meyer? Here. Montemayor? Here. Rindflash? Here. Ryan? Excuse. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, President Hanna. I'm excited when the agenda is approved in minutes, President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Vare. I would make a motion to approve the minutes. Second. Motion in second to approve minutes, under discussion. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Minutes are approved. Confirmation of Mayor's appointments. Attorney McLean? Thank you, Your Honor. Submitted by the Mayor. Hereby submit the following appointment for your consideration. John Kittleson to be considered for appointment to the Shboygan Commission on Fair Housing Practices to fill the unexpired term of Mary Keitel, whose term expires on 4-22-13. And I need a motion to confirm. Oh, President Hanna? I would make a motion to confirm, Mr. Kittleson. Second. Motion in second to confirm appointment, under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Appointments confirmed. We should have a roll call on that front. We'll do a roll call on that. Let's take them back on the confirmation of Kittleson. Please call the roll. Boren? Aye. Bauch? Aye. Decker? Aye. Yesha? Aye. Okay. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Clioness? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Rindfleisch? Aye. Zurich? Aye. Vanderweel? Aye. Verhassell? Aye. And Wongamon? Aye. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Appointments confirmed. Please continue. Motion confirmed. I would make a motion to confirm that appointment. Second. Motion in second to confirm under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Bauch? Aye. Decker? Aye. Yesha? Aye. Hannah? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Clioness? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Motion carries. Next item on the agenda. Public forum. Adam Slu. Yes. First on the list will be Jeff Schucho. Mr. Schucho? Mr. Schucho, can I have your home address, please? 2411D Camelot Boulevard. And you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you very much. Your Honor, all the people, citizens, I just wanted to state first to the Mayor that in regard to the independent investigation by the Oshkosh Police Department, concerning a racist photo being distributed over the Internet of our Mayor during a recall election attempt, the conclusion of this investigation was it was politically motivated. And I agree that yes, it was politically motivated. It was during a recall election. The photo, however, was racially motivated. For example, an upside down American flag would have made it political. This quote-on-quote independent investigation, Your Honor, I just wanted to say I felt was a whitewash. Now in regard to flooding problems that we've had in town and I see they're still fairly widespread, partly because some of the climate change we're experiencing. I recall in the press letter to the editor that I just, for those of you that didn't have a chance to read it, I'll just briefly touch on the stormwater problems mentioned. On 17th Street National End Avenue, since 1998 actually, it's flooded almost every year since then. Even after the holding tanks under the streets were put in, this is because the holding tanks do nothing more actually than delay the inevitable in the event that we have sustained rains. After the big flood, well, let me see. Yeah, after the big flood in 1998, the city engineer told me in neighbors the proper solution would be to run another large stormwater line to the lake from that location. What we did instead was, it was a cost-saving measure and I wanted to mention to everyone in the city that this council wasn't in office at that time and neither were you, Your Honor, but there was a cost-saving measure that was implemented, which was to put in the holding tanks instead of running another main to the lake because it is very expensive. Now, what we ended up with is kind of what I suspected with the city engineer that we would still have flooding if we had sustained rains. One of them that I have on film, and we have photographs, two of Lynn's car, which is halfway underwater, and anybody that wants to see some film footage, we have it on film too, flooding three times in one week for a block and a half long, all the way across the street, up to 21 inches deep. Now, we've got a great start, actually. The decisions made aren't really bad ones. It might look that way now because the problem hasn't been solved, but what we actually have now is the infrastructure that is all in place, the additional drains, the holding tanks. It's because of all the development to the west and all the pavement that's added, more roof tops, that sort of thing. Adds tax revenue, but it also unfortunately adds stormwater runoff to the system. But now, with the system we have in place, by running one main down possibly Ashland Avenue, which needs to be repaved anyway, it's really bad. That whole system will handle almost any rain conditions. I would ask that it's at least a four foot diameter main, preferably the inside diameter, 48 inches. The past city engineer and I had discussed that. He felt that that would be the best route to go. Now, unfortunately, people's homes and basements still are flooding. Well, it's up to you folks what we end up doing. I know money's tight, but I just wanted to help provide you with some additional information to make those decisions. Like I said, anybody that would like to view the film footage, feel free to ask or give me a call. I'd be happy to show it to anyone. Thank you, Your Honor. Citizens, older people. Thank you. And then we have Lee Montemayor. Mr. Montemayor, can you give me your home address, please? Yes, 1015 Logan. And you will have five minutes, sir. Thank you, Madam City Clerk Richards. Before I get into my speech, I'd like to make a couple of comments about Mayor Perez because it's been a kind of a running joke between us for some time. When Mayor Perez was first elected, I implanted to get ready to be blamed for everything that goes wrong in Sheboygan, even the things that he has no control over. Sure enough, this guy gets blamed for laws enacted in Washington and Madison, although he does not control or influence any of these matters. The Governor signs the bills and into law and the Mayor gets blamed for it. Well, that's one powerful Mayor we elected. I joked with him that his first order of business was to fix the clock atop a U.S. Bank, even though it's not the city's responsibility. Whenever I saw the Mayor, I would ask the same question. Why isn't the clock fixed? What's the holdup? Well, now he can finally answer, it's fixed. Seriously, Floke, I would like to thank Mr. Mike Nichols of U.S. Bank for the repair of the clock. Once again, the citizens of Sheboygan can see and read the time and temperature and enjoy the clock and its full operation. It's better than ever. Now, for the Committee of the Whole Meet and Tell last week and for some misinformation and flawed procedure during, regarding the second agenda, item on the agenda, the communication was filed by Public Works Committee, the Board of Parks and Forestry Commission, and both the ROs were accepted and filed by the Common Council before coming to the Committee of the Whole. This should have been nothing more than house clean of the docket and should have been filed without discussion. But because you did go into discussion of this communication, I have some comments as chairman of the Board of Parks and Forestry Commission and the creation of the Dog Study Committee. A communication by a citizen cannot be amended. It can be filed, referred, accepted, but the one thing that cannot be done is to amend any of the wording or its contents. It must stand as written. Alvin Montemayor's statement that Chairman Harold Bevel of the Dog Study is a dog owner is incorrect. However, three of the five members of that committee are dog owners. The members of the Study Committee were confirmed by the Council and the time to question them about being dog haters was before their appointments, not after their assigned duties mandated by the Common Council was completed. Just because the final report didn't agree with the findings one would have preferred, the comment to call the Study Committee and Council members dog haters is somewhat insulting to our fellow citizens who elected the members to represent them. An apology should be made to our citizens, council members, and especially to the highly qualified Dog Study Committee members for such an unfound statement. The letters comment, the letter writer's comment should have been studied, have been studied for years and the results are basically the same after each communication is investigated. The safety and the health of our children and citizens comes first and has the utmost priority before any recommendations or passed on to the Council for action. For some of you that weren't here at the time, here's a kind of a short history of the study. A resolution mandating pet study friendly areas and park study was authored by a council member who also didn't agree with the prior recommendations and studies. The Dog Study Committee was created to fully study the resolution's request. After the initial report was submitted, the report was sent back to the Dog Study Committee for further recommendations due to citizens' concerns about dog effect in their particular area and neighborhood park. The study continued for another 30 days and once again was submitted to the council with new recommendations which were accepted and the recommendations were implemented. The Dog Study Committee can help understand facts and figures about dog parks and related matters. I recommend reading this document to educate oneself on this issue. Thank you. Thank you. That's it. Thank you to the citizens that addressed the council tonight. Next item on the agenda is a notice of a hearing. Public notice that the Board of Water Commissioners filed a report of special assessments for water laterals replacements in the following streets. Illinois Avenue from South 14th Street to South 15th Street. South 7th Street from Broadway to High Avenue. Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? Is there anyone that would like to address the council? There being none, President Hannon. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to close the hearing. Second. Motion in second to close hearing. Under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Next, another hearing to amend the zoning map for property located at 1003 South 14th Street from Class Urban Industrial to Class Urban Commercial Classification. Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Is there anyone here that would like to address the council? Now, I just need to explain that I'm not crazy. I asked three times as protocol. So, just so you know. Okay, there's no one. There being no one, President Hannon. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion to close the hearing. Second. Motion in second to close hearing. Under discussion. There is none. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion hearing is closed. Thank you very much. Next item is a consent agenda. 7-1 through 7-24. President Hannon. Thank you again, Mr. Mayor. I'd make a motion that all resolutions above be put upon their passage and all RCs be accepted and adopted. Second. Motion in second. Under discussion on the consent agenda. There being none. Please call the roll. Decker. Gisha. Hanna. Heidemann. Kittleson. Cleonis. Meyer. Montemayor. Rinfleisch. Suric. Vanderweel. For Hasselt. Wangeman. Boren. And Bauch. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Communications and petitions. 7-25 and 7-26 to be referred. Report of officers to 7-27. Lies over. To be referred. 7-28 through 7-31. 7-41 I should say. To be referred with the exception of change being made on 7-31. And that is that communication will also be referred to Committee of the Whole. Please make that notation. Vice President Borough. Thank you, Your Honor. Regarding document number 7-28. I want to just make sure that the and I talked with Chairman of the Finance Committee earlier today. Chairman Guesha. Regarding 7-28 that the Finance Committee be kept in the pipeline. I'm not necessarily going to make a referral to finance. But I think with this document talking about renewing the lease for the blue line ice skating association. Besides planning I think finance should also be kept in the loop as we proceed on this. When we do have multiple referrals and create some issues and some concerns. What I'm hoping here is that the Planning Commission has an opportunity to discuss the proposition. And then perhaps make a probably make a referral to public works and public works make a referral back to finance to have that logical sequence of discussions. Otherwise when we have multiple referrals we have multiple discussions and one comes in before the next and we have issues like we've had before. So I think that would be a good idea. I think at some point it should end up in the Finance Committee's lap. Okay. Thank you. President Hanna. Thank you. I just wanted to amplify all the person born's concerns also and I plan on attending the City Planning Commission. I think any time a property comes up from a lease situation we owe it to the taxpayers to look at whether selling it to them is the appropriate action. That's on the docket. It's going to City Plan. I would encourage people to be there. Good point, Alderman. Okay. Moving on then. Resolutions introduced 3. 742 by Alderman Ryan. Authorizing entering into a grant agreement with the Wisconsin Department of Commerce Brownfield grant program in the amount of 250,000 for the purpose of assisting the demolition and environmental cost related to the redevelopment of the former Kingsbury Brewery site. Alderman? Yes, sir. Thank you, Your Honor. I believe this is the document that I would like to also take 744 with this, unless there's an objection. Please do. As they relate and ask for suspension of the rules on 744. I don't believe 742 does need a suspension. It does. It does. Okay. Suspension on both 742 and 744. The purpose being that by entering into this agreement with the Wisconsin Department of Commerce for the Brownfield grant of $250,000, we have the clock starts ticking. We're already two months into a 26 month process. So at the end of 26 months, it's kind of a use it or lose it. So it's somewhat imperative now after talking to staff and Alderman Ryan, who called me from Florida, that we move this right along. So I ask for suspension and passage. Is there any objection to suspension? There is no objection. I just need a resolution to put it upon its passage. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. There's a motion and second to put 742 upon its passage. We'll take 744 separately, Alderman Giesha. On 742, under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Giesha. Hi. Hannah. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Heidemann. Blongerman. Born. Hi. Bulk. Hi. And Decker. Hi. 15 ayes. Motion carries, 744 Giesha would you like to make a motion on this. Yes, thank you. I move that item 744 be put upon its passage. Okay. There's a motion and second, under discussion on 744. Alderman Kle meats. Thank you, Your Honor. I was looking at the agreement. And it says, in the work authorization from the last page. I have some questions about it. It says, those services contained in Sigma's proposal dated April 25th, 2008, which are attached here to and incorporated here in by reference to number 10972. Is there something that we don't have? It says attached to. I don't have any, what are they gonna do for us? I kept reading through this thing, trying to figure out what are they gonna do, specifics, and there's nothing. Would you like for a turn with me too? Yeah, I don't know who asked the question. Hi, thank you, Your Honor. Oleg McLeonis, yes, there is an attachment and perhaps Paulette can best address it. I know Planning Department interviewed a number of consulting firms that submitted requests for proposal and believe they're recommending accepting this one, but perhaps she can explain what they're gonna do. Ms. Andrews, please come up. Mike's on. Thank you, Mayor and Command Council. We did interview, it was eight or nine different environmental consulting firms, and we do have those proposals, and Sigma's proposal would become a part of that contract, and we do have that in the office. And if that's something that you feel that you need before you can vote on that, we can do that for the council. What it does is it outlines exactly what's in the first grant that we received for the site from the Department of Natural Resources for the Ready for Reuse grant, and it's basically, it's site investigation. It would be onsite monitoring while a contractor comes in and while we're working with a developer to redevelop and clean up the site. And there's also that, I think it's roughly $47,000 that's up and expensed through the grants that we've received, and it's a not to exceed, and if they would have to go above that, they would have to contact us. Thank you very much. I wanna play this. Thank you, didn't follow a question. Is it typical that it's time and materials, the way that this is bid on is time and materials, because they don't know how much work it's gonna involve? Yes, this one was a difficult one, I know, for a lot of the consultants to bid on. We did receive some questions on it, and that's why we have a not to exceed, because we felt like we had to have some type of a ceiling. Right. Thank you. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you very much. So we have 744 in motion and second to put the resolution upon its passage. Any further discussion? There is none, please call the roll. Hannah. Hi to men. Hi. Kittleson. Hi. Clayunus. Hi. Meyer. Hi. Montemayor. Hi. Rinfleisch. Hi. Siruk. Hi. Bulk. Hi. Decker. Hi. Angisha. Hi. 15 ayes. Motion carries. Going back one, 743 by Alderman Giesha and Hannah, supporting the re-establishment of the Joint Dispatch Study Committee, a subcommittee of the shared services committee. President Hannah. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I believe that the resolution be put upon its passage. Second. Motion second to put 743 upon its passage. Under discussion. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you, Your Honor. Being a member of the city county's shared service committee, this information was presented to us at the last meeting. And I don't know, yay or nay, if this is a good idea, but it was presented to the county. The county is looking at this information, and I think it's a good step to go ahead and discuss. I don't know that this means that all of the council is fully endorsing this particular idea, but I think we're fully endorsing talking about it. Thank you. Any more discussion? Alderman Verhassel. Thank you, Your Honor. Can I ask if there's an intended time frame attached with this committee? If there's a lifetime to this committee? Just thought ahead. The resolution, it's simply in support of, there's no creation or anything like that. Correct, President Hannah? That, I would believe that that, if there's a life to be given to it, the sunset clause of some sort that would be done by the city county shared services committee as a subcommittee. All right. Okay. Thanks. Any further questions? There being none, please call the roll. Heidemann. Aye. Kittleson. Aye. Kleyunas. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. Aye. Rinflesch. Aye. Suric. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Verhasselt. Aye. Wangaman. Aye. Motion carries. 745 and 46 lies over. 747 and 48 to be referred. Report of committee seven, 749 by law and licensing, recommending that beverage operators license number 7362 be granted and to request a 28 calendar day voluntary surrender of the license. Vice President Boehring. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. Motion in second. Under discussion. Under discussion, Your Honor. This licensee is Jason Jacobs and he and his brother run Shenanigans Bar on South A Street. This has been an establishment that we've been having some difficulty with the last few months. And Mr. Jacobs appeared before our committee and we did decide to grant the license but we requested the 28 day voluntary surrender of his license. And if he chooses not to voluntarily surrender after within 30 days, he has the option of going to a quasi judicial hearing. And I believe this coming Tuesday night, Shenanigans Bar is going to be before the law and licensing committee for a quasi judicial hearing. So this establishment is establishing kind of a negative track record before our committee but Jason, we decided to grant the license. Okay, thank you. Vice President Boehring. Any further discussion on 749? There is none. Please call the roll. Kittleson. Clayunas. Meier. Meier. Montemayor. Renfleisch. Zurich. Meier. Vanderwheel. Verhassell. Wongerman. Bourne. Bulk. Berger. Gisha. Hannah. And Heidemann. 15 ayes. Motion carries 750 by law and licensing, recommending that beverage operators license number 7183 be denied based on the applicant's finger to reveal all convictions, status of a repeat law violator and record of violations related to the licensed activity. Vice President Boehring. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted. Second. Motion and second. Under discussion. Under discussion is Ashley Boehr here tonight. Would you like to address the council under discussion? Please come up. I'll proceed first, Your Honor. And then I'll open the floor to Ms. Boehr. Ms. Boehr appeared before our committee, our last committee meeting. And this is the record that the assistant and city attorney presented to the committee. Ms. Boehr revealed a 2003 misdemeanor conviction for OAS and a 2007 misdemeanor conviction for possession, which is actually three separate convictions. One for possession of THC, one for possession of cocaine, and one for possession of drug paraphernalia. The record of convictions she should have revealed is as follows. Repeat OWL 2002 misdemeanor, OAS 2003 misdemeanor, possession of THC 2007 misdemeanor, possession cocaine 2007 misdemeanor, possession drug paraphernalia 2007 misdemeanor, bail jumping, which is pending, and checking with the assistant city attorney today, those are related to some of the drug charges. That's all I'll say for now, but I reserve the right to call Lieutenant David Scheffhauser from the police department. Very well. Ma'am, you have a floor. Ashley, excuse me, how do you spell your last name? B-O-W. B-O-W-E-R. Okay, go ahead. At the time, I was having really hard time in my life. I had had a drug overdose. I almost died since then. I've been- Can you speak a little louder, please? You may want to hold the mic just two years, just a little bit. Since then, I've tried to turn my- I'm turning my life around. I went through treatment. I was put on- I'm actually up for early to get off here in about a month. It's okay, where I'm working with my P.O. She had said that was all right. I have never had a problem working as a bartender. I believe I have a letter that was sent to you guys from my boss, actually. And I'm just, I'm working on getting my life together and going back to school. And I've been clean since. And I mean, taking my liquor license would be my job. So I'm doing as much as I can possibly to keep it, I guess. Okay. Thank you very much. Okay, that's all you have to say? Yeah. Okay, thank you very much. Vice President Boren. Thank you, Your Honor. I'd like to open the floor to Lieutenant David Schiffhauser, who's the police department's liaison with the Law and Licensing Committee. Is that a motion? That's a motion to open up the floor. Motion in second to open the floor. Under discussion. There being none, all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Mike's on. Alderman Boren spoke a short time ago about some of Ashley Bowers' convictions. The first one I'll talk about was her first series of convictions in February 22nd of 2007. That's where she has these three possessions of THC, cocaine, and drug paraphernalia. These were initially felony charges, but they're all reduced to misdemeanors. The way that incident started was our officers were dispatched to assist the ambulance. This was at an apartment that Ashley Bower lived at with her boyfriend. Our street crimes unit, Meg unit, they know that this person is a, I guess a long time drug dealer. He has a number of convictions for that as well. Like I say, Ashley was indeed an ambulance, but she certainly did not want to talk to the police. She was uncooperative with the police. Both were suffering from an overdose on drugs. They're both transported to the emergency room. I don't think she was uncooperative. She did state that they were using heroin and cocaine. They were mixing the two. The officers saw a plain view in the apartment. Syringes and other paraphernalia that you would use for intravenous drug use. And that is how she obtained those three convictions related to drug activity. Less than one month later, Ashley is actually out on bond. What happens is she would have been incarcerated and she's released on bond. Part of her condition of her bond is that she's not to consume any alcohol or create any other criminal offenses. What happened was on April 18th, an officer stopped a vehicle with a loud exhaust. Ashley was operating the vehicle. Her license at the time was suspended. She admitted that she was drinking atoxicants. The officer gave her a preliminary breath test. It did come back that she was drinking. She was taken to the detention center on charge of bail jumping. When the officer got called back to the detention center, when the jailer committed, or I should say performed a strip search on Bauer, a small bag of cocaine fell from her underwear. And as a result, she was, like I say, was referred over to this attorney's office for another charge of possession of cocaine. I could not see that that charge was ever issued. Another incident, Ashley was not charged on this. But I, like I said, reviewed the report. There's certainly evidence that she was culpable. Just in November of 2007, we had a local pharmacist's call and they said that we just took a person to our drive-through and they turned in a prescription for hydrocodone. The pharmacist indicated that the doctor's signature on the prescription was inconsistent with previous prescriptions that he obtained from that doctor. That pharmacist called us a short time later when the person drive-through to pick up the prescription. And as a result, a 33-year-old Cheboygan woman was arrested for prescription fraud and some other narcotics-related charges. But she did implicate Bauer's boyfriend who was the same person that she earlier overdosed with as giving her forward's prescriptions in the past. She indicated that she filled these prescriptions approximately four times. And this person also implicated Bauer in forging the prescriptions, the actual writing of them. And as a result, we obtained a search warrant for Bauer's apartment, which she shares with the 33-year-old boyfriend. A small amount of marijuana was found in the apartment, suspected drug ledger, marijuana grinder. Two small pots used to cook suspected heroin. In the garage inside a McDonald's bag, on a digital scale, nine small bags which contained the marijuana. Typically, it's these nine bags indicated that they're for sale. And this is kind of important. Like I say, her boyfriend was charged with this offense. But when he had his probation revocation hearing, it was Bauer that testified that the marijuana was hers. And this was during the revocation hearing concerning her boyfriend. Inside the residence, the officers found two $1,000 piles of currency, both rubber banded together. And the officers obviously were inquiring as to where this money came from. And this is kind of important here at Bauer, told the investigators that she works part-time for a painting and landscaping company. And her boyfriend works a lot of hours there, full-time plus. And that's where the money would have came from. The officers inquired as to what this company was. The name, there is no such business. We later checked with Ashley's and her boyfriend's probation agent. And she listed the same business with her probation agent. No such business, the phone number lists to somebody else. So like I say, even though Ashley was not charged with these offenses, there is sufficient evidence that she is certainly involved in knowledge of what was going on in that residence. Like I say, we also at that same time information was received that Bauer's boyfriend had a storage unit. We ran our Sheboygan canine past the storage unit that canine did hit on one of the doors. The officers found a large amount of illegal drugs inside the storage area. Heroin cocaine marijuana, packaging material, cutting agents, syringes, digital scales, and documents linking the owner of the storage facility to Ashley's boyfriend. At the initial hearing where Ashley talked in front of the law and license committee, she kind of indicated that someone else was setting her and her boyfriend up for these charges. Like I say, there was motion hearings. Like I say, her boyfriend is trying to indicate that someone else put other... He had really no standing inside of this storage facility. Since then, the number of syringes which contained blood were sent to the crime lab. The DNA did match Bauer's boyfriend as the person who provided the blood in the syringe. So I guess basically you look at the totality of circumstances. I think the law and license committee made a good decision and not issuing this license. I guess I would ask that you go along with your initial decision. Yes. We've heard her actually admit the drug use, overdose, and participation. I guess I'm looking for when that was February and then the bail jumping was March of... Is that correct? The overdose was March 22nd, 2007. So March then April of last year, then it was the bail jumping. All the other information that you brought forward here, what's the time schedule, time frame of that? She was out after the overdose. She was charged with various drug charges. Less than a month later on April 18th, that was when the officer stopped her for loud exhaust. Her license was suspended. She was asked for bail jumping. I heard the dates on those, but I didn't hear the dates on the other... And like I say, the search warrant, which all started from the forged drug prescription, was November 5th, 2007. Okay. So it's been as recent as seven months, eight months ago, yet. A follow-up question that is an investigation in that incident. It's shown that she's still with, living with this boyfriend. It seems to be the, I guess, instigator, the one that's most common in all these issues. Do we know that yet? I asked her that question during the last long license meeting. She said, yes, she was still living with this person. Having been on that committee before, I tend to give benefit of the doubt for those that admit, and then challenge themselves to stay clear. My biggest concern in this incident is, if she truly is still with this boyfriend, that I would ask that you probably follow through the recommendations. If you're truly serious about walking away from drugs and turning your life around, it seems to me that that would be the first step, as well. So I also urge you to follow the recommendation of the committee. Alderman Montemayor. Thank you, Your Honor. Evidently, the boyfriend is a bad dude. Is he still not incarcerated, and when did all these charges against him happen? He's got a long history of arrests for drug-related charges. Okay, there was many things that he did. I'm wondering, when did these things happen, and is he, and he is still not incarcerated? He's still living at his home? I mean, he was on probation for some drug-related charges, and, like I say, he was arrested again in November 2007 after the search warrant. I'm not sure how that is proceeding in the court system. So that's not the best boyfriend in the world to have, but it's kind of guilty by association? Well, like I say, Ashley was convicted in March of 2007. She overdosed, and there was drugs in her apartment, drugs in her system. Less than a month later, she had drugs that was located in the search when she was taken to the detention center, and based on the way she responded to some of the questions the officer asked her, regarding where this $2,000 come from, she indicated she gave false information regarding where her boyfriend was working. There's no such business. Now, the information about the detention center, there were no charges with a detention center incident? The officer referred the case over the district attorney's office. I could not find where she was charged. I know she was charged with bail jumping, but I could not find a pending possession of cocaine charge. Okay, thank you. Okay, if there were no more questions, thank you. Thank you. Any further discussion? The issue now is 7.50. It's a report of committee recommending that the beverage operator's license number 7183 be denied, and that's based on the applicant's favor to reveal all convictions, status as a repeat law violator, and record of violations related to the license activity. You have heard a pretty detailed summary of what has been involved. You've also heard the individual, the applicant state that she's attempting to make a comeback as a clean person. So that's what you've got the issue to deal with tonight. An aye vote will deny. Please call the roll. Clayunas. Aye. Meyer. Aye. Montemayor. No. Rinflaich. Aye. Vanderweel. No. Verhassel. Aye. Wangaman. Aye. Born. Aye. Bauch. Aye. Decker. Aye. Excuse me. Aye. Thank you. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Dunn. 13 ayes, 2 noes. Motion carries, license is denied. The report of committee is 8.751 for all newly hired, including full-time and part-time non-represented employees. Alman Bauch. Thank you, Your Honor. I would move that the RCB accepted and adopted and put the resolution upon its passage. Second. Motion and second. Under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. Meyer. No. Montemayor. No. Rinflaich. Aye. Surrock. Aye. Vanderweel. Nair Hasselt. Aye. Longerman. Aye. Boren. Aye. Bauch. Aye. Decker. Aye. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Kittelsen. Aye. And Clionas. Aye. 13 ayes, 2 noes. Motion carries, 752 by finance. Recommend and authorize a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget. Establishing appropriation for additional sidewalk in the 2020 budget. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the resolution be put upon its passage. Motion and second. Under discussion. There being none, please call the roll. Montemayor. Aye. Rinflaich. Aye. Surrock. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. For Hasselt. Aye. Longerman. Aye. Boren. Aye. Kittelsen. Aye. Clionas. Aye. And Meyer. I'm sorry, 15 ayes. 15 ayes. Motion carries. 753 by finance. Recommend and amend the debt policy for the city's limit on the annual debt. Issue was up to 5 million per year for non-TIF projects and passing the attached substitute resolution. Aldringesha. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the report of committee be accepted and adopted and the substitute resolution be put to pass. Motion in second. Under discussion. President Hanna. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd like to make a friendly amendment to the resolution if I might. I just want to restrict the utilization of the fund and say further resolved that the additional debt be earmarked for infrastructure, street repairs and reconstruction and storm water remediation. Just so down the road, it doesn't find a new home. Motion in second. On the amendment to earmark the additional borrowing for street reconstruction repair and infrastructure. We have on the amendment only. Sorry, my question is on the general one. On the amendment. Aldringesha. Thank you, Your Honor. If I could ask Alderperson Hanna on the amendment, is the language on the amendment from finance on page two that states, and that was kind of the purpose. I'm agreeing with what you're trying to do. That's what we try to do in finance. If there's a better way of doing this, that's fine. The city general capital projects excluding storm water remediation are not to exceed 3 million and the additional 2 million will be utilized for storm water remediation. Okay. Do you want to, are you adding a further, be it further resolved or restating that? I have no objection to the friendly move. And that was the intent of the finance committee. We had great discussion regarding the fact that we don't want it to become 3.3 million and then we only do 1.8. The finance committee was very clear on that. So that's a very helpful amendment. Thank you. Thank you very much. On the amendment. Thank you, Your Honor. I just need a little further clarification for Alderman Hanna because the language here seems to be quite clear that not to exceed 3 million dollars and an additional 2 million dollars to be utilized for storm water remediation, I support that totally. But I'm, I just want to clarification. Does that mean that that 2 million dollars and pardon the pun can be further diluted by other public works projects? I was my understanding that this 2 million dollars is locked in only for storm water remediation. Thank you. My language would suggest. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. For the question, the language that I had heard, which I was not able to write down fast enough if I could be repeated for the resolved, deals with the other 3 million dollars. 3 million at this point in time seems to be just general capital projects going through the capital improvements program. Sounds like you wish to restrict that to strictly street and city infrastructure. 2 million additional that we're moving our debt limit up to 5 million. And I want the 2 million dollars to be further restricted. Okay, then I'm definitely in support of the 2 million dollars to be restricted to capital improvement infrastructure. Thank you. Thank you. Only amendment only, no further discussion. Please call the roll. Rin Flesch. Aye. Suric. Aye. Vanderweel. Aye. Verhassel. Aye. Wankerman. Aye. Boran. Aye. Bauch. Decker. Aye. Gisha. Aye. Hanna. Aye. Heidemann. Aye. Kittleson. Aye.з Thank you, Your Honor, I move that the resolution be accepted and adopted, as of tomorrow. Motion and? Second. Second, under discussion. There being none, please call... There is a little hassle. Thank you, Your Honor. Can I just ask a question of the finance chair or member of the finance committee. There's reference to the 3% of the equalize valuation of the city I imagine. I assume that's the real estate citywide? And if so, what year is that figure based on? Because it's obviously ascended quite a bit here over the last six or eight years, but now we're probably heading in the other direction. So I'm just curious about that. Okay. Oh, Magesha? That question was discussed and if other members of the committee have some more information or if I'm recollecting that wrong, please chime in. Finance Director and Treasurer Hanson reported based on the percent evaluation that the city of Sheboygan is allowed to use for debt service puts us somewhere around an available debt capacity of about 58 million dollars. We are roughly at 36 million dollars. So the capacity is there and even if there is a downturn in real estate market, we certainly have sufficient cushion to chew that up. And keep in mind that these funds will be paid back out of the general fund. We no longer have the stormwater fee. That's one of the reasons we have sufficient capacity from a debt service standpoint and sufficient cushion. And if any other member heard it any differently, please interject. I have a question and I mentioned this to Alderman Gysha prior to the meeting, but I'm not clear if there's a duration on this. There's a reference in the second to last line about included in the five-year capital improvements program. There's no explicit language stating when the sunset is on this, this borrowing capacity. You're correct. There is no sunset. The council can choose to either state want or leave it open ended as it is and then change that date at a later time. What I had proposed initially and obviously the finance committee decided not to address the issue is to put together a five-year plan to borrow an additional two million dollars a year, increase our borrowing from 3 million to 5 million and earmark that additional 2 million strictly for infrastructure repair, street, resurface and reconstruction to address some of the flooding that we've had in the past that I feel is extremely important and all of you feel is extremely important to address. Vice President Barn. Thank you, Your Honor. Just to expand a little bit on some of the discussion at finance, this two million dollars that we're having to borrow is a direct result of the stormwater fee going away. Again, this two million dollars is going to fall on the backs of all the residential property taxpayers. When we had the stormwater fee in existence and as much as I need fees, I supported this one because all of the non-profits including the hospitals were paying into the stormwater fee. The stormwater fee is going away. The stormwater projects are not going to go away and as we go forward unless some type of a stormwater fee is reinstituted, this is going to continue to fall on the backs of the residential taxpayers. So I just want the taxpayers out there to know that this is a result of the stormwater fee going away and as much as we all paid fees, I thought it was very fair because everybody was paying into it, not just the residential taxpayers. Thank you. Thank you. I guess I had concerns, again, it was just talked about, but you know, we've got home values falling. I see in the very last statement that we've actually, if I'm understanding it correctly, we're going to be increasing this at a rate of 3.6 percent every year. Is that, could that number be explained? Mr. Hansen, would you like to come up here, please? Mr. Hansen is the department head. He can address some of those issues. But we're assuming home values are going up 3.6 percent? No. Yes, the language on there is that it's anticipated that it's averaged 3.6 percent, but it does not state that it's earmarked at 3.6 percent. So there is no definite 3.6 percent increase. The potential exists for that much slack. There is potential for more or less. Okay. Okay. I guess would it be proper to offer up a friendly amendment that we, you know, from a responsible standpoint, that we put a five-year definition on this resolution that we, this council, whoever it may be, revisited in five years? If you would like to make that motion, you're free to do it. It hasn't been made yet. I'd like to make that motion. I can say, yeah, I would like to make the motion that we, in the, if you read down in the, now therefore be it further resolved towards the end of the, I'm sorry, the beginning of the second sentence, the debt limit for the, it says currently the future years and the maximum amount of debt for TIF purposes to read the debt limit for the next five years and the maximum amount of debt for the TIF purposes will be included in the five-year capital improvements program. There's a motion in the second. I think it makes perfect sense since we're making sure we're earmarked at money and we earmark it for a specific timeframe. Any discussion on the amendment only? I have Alderman Wagerman Blinken. Do you want it on the amendment? No. Okay. Anybody else on the amendment? I'd like a clarification if I could. Alderman Verhassel, are you talking the debt limit for the and then replace future years for next five years? Is that all you're doing? Correct. Thank you. The increase will be in effect for five years after five years at sunset. Revisited. Do you want that stated in there or just leave it at the next five years? Next five years is fine. It's fine. Okay. Everybody understand the motion? Okay. On the motion, on the amendment, please call the roll. Vanderweal? Aye. Verhassel? Aye. Wagerman? Aye. Boran? Aye. Bauch? Aye. Decker? Aye. Gisha? Aye. Hanna? Aye. Heidemann? Aye. Kittleson? Aye. Clioness? Aye. Meyer? Aye. Montemayor? Aye. Rindfleisch? Aye. Ansirak? Aye. 15 Ayes. Motion carries. Now I need a motion to pass as amended. How long did you say? I moved that the resolution be accepted and adopted as amended once again. It would be. Can we do the subs? Subs of res please? I moved that the substitute. That would be better. Thank you. Accepted and adopted as amended. Is that right? Further amended. And there was a second to that. Any discussion on the amendment? Alderman Wagerman, do you have your blink and light? Anything on that, sir? I wanted to speak to the original document. Which is okay. That's the next one. We've already done the amendment, so we're on the final right now as amended. Would you like to speak? Yes, thank you. Thank you, Your Honor. I would have to echo Alderman Boran's comments. I was on the council when we decided to get rid of the stormwater fee and it's always a good thing to be able to tell our constituents, you know, we got rid of a fee for you. But this one turned around and bit us like a lot of people. There were some of us who knew it would. And it was a case of where we kind of threw the baby out with the bathwater. Tom Holton was director of public works at the time. He was very much against that idea because he couldn't see where we were going to get the water for street repairs or, I mean, where we were going to get the money for street repairs. And of course, we know where we're going to get it, where we always get it. We get it out of the taxpayers' pockets. So it was a really a foolish, short-sighted thing that the council perpetrated on the taxpayers of the city. And now here we are asking for this document to go through. And it is necessary, of course. But as Alderman Boran said, it was the people who contributed the most to the problem paid the most, such as large business areas that had large parking lots and large roofs and things. They paid a good deal more. The average householder paid a very small part of that. So it was a very equitable, I thought, and fair way to do it rather than ask everybody to contribute the way we are now. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Giesha on that. Thank you, Your Honor. This council has done, and the proposal has done, a historic job in reducing with the administration the amount of debt the city has. Millions upon millions upon millions of dollars have been refinanced or paid off. And I always get a little nervous with a handshake when you look at increasing debt after the, as I said, historic work that I think this and the last council has done. But how else do you do it? We have citizens who are under water literally and flooding around. It does need to be paid for in some way. I would remind everyone, fellow older people, that right now this debt is being paid for by the general fund, which reduces all the rest of the money for the budget. If somebody has an alternative method on how to pay for this with increased or bringing back, doing whatever, they're welcome to do so. My name on a document that increases debt is not comfortable to me, but when you have citizens who are living in mud and filled with no hope of the next time we have one of these rains of it not happening again, we have to address that. I mean, that's not only a public health concern, but it's our obligation. But there are plenty of opportunities for people to come with different ways of paying for just that two million dollar portion of it, for instance. So we have a wonderful creative minds in this room. And if those options are there, we all have the ability to bring these things forth and I would look forward to those those thoughts by fellow older people. Thank you. There is no further discussion on the motion to pass as amended. Please call the roll. Siric. Vanderwheel. For Hassel. Wongamon. Born. Bulk. Decker. Gisha. Hannah. Heidemann. Kittlesen. Clayunis. Meyer. Montemayor. And Rindfleisch. 14 ayes, one note. Motion carries. Ordinances introduced 10, 754 through 56 to be referred. Matters laid over 11, 631, RO number 790809 by the city plan commission recommending amending the zoning of property located at 03 South 13th Street from class urban industrial to class urban commercial. Is that 13th or 14th street? 14th. It says 13th there. Oh, it's 14th. It's 14th. Yeah, we moved it. Yeah, the document says. I know what I read 13th and it should be 14th. I was reading off the document on the agenda here. Make that notation. South 14th Street. That's the one we just had the hearing on. All on Montemayor. Thank you, Your Honor. I move to accept and file the RO and the ordinance be put upon its passage. Motion and second under discussion. There is none. Please call the roll. For Hasselt. Wongamon. Born. Bulk. Decker. Gisha. Hannah. Heidemann. Kittleson. Clayunas. Meyer. Montemayor. Rinflesh. Surik. And Vanderweel. 15 ayes. Motion carries. 652 resolution number 540809 by Alderman Clayunas amending the composition of the sustainable Cheboygan task force so as to add four members. Alderman Clayunas. Thank you, Your Honor. I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Motion and second under discussion. Alderman Gisha. Thank you. If Alderperson Clayunas could address the residency portion of those members as to whether they will necessary for them to be city residents or not. Alderman Clayunas. Well, we have another resolution 672 which is also talking about residency. Specifically those who are supposed to be city residents would be city residents named in on the composition task force but because maybe some of the experience or background may not be from a city resident. We're also having county people on the board on the task force specifically naming county people. I feel as if it's a good thing that we have a larger pool to pull from. There will be lots of city representation on it. It's kind of a shared service type action. It's not that we're it's a shared thinking I guess task force so that the county can work with us because we're not encapsulated in city boundaries. The issues we'll be talking about affect a larger area than just the city limits. I may add that if anything and I tend to to agree with the residency requirements but if there's anything any committee that has ever come before us and I was an alderman several years before being mayor this is probably the one that makes the most sense to have people that are not residents. We've asked for example the chamber to include to refer a name they could pick one from anyone in the county because it's such a boy in county chamber of commerce. We've asked UW-Shabuigan it could be anybody because everybody outside the county comes to UW-Shabuigan so the the the point that Alderman Clayton has made is this more of a shared thinking approach is great and if any committee should have a diverse membership outside the city limits this is probably the best one. Alderman Gisha. I'm sorry I'm going to refer I will withdraw my and then ask the questions more words more appropriate frankly at 672. I have no problem with the increase of adding four members but I do have some additional questions. Very good thank you very much. Okay we've got 652. The motion has been put the resolution upon its passage to increase the committee the composition as to add four members. Please call the roll. Motion carries 653 resolution number 50809 by Alderman Gisha Clayunas Boran Bauch and Montemayor authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget establishing appropriation for for purchase of information technology equipment. Alderman Gisha. Thank you your honor I move that the resolution be put upon its passage. Motion in second under discussion there is none please call the roll. Boran Bauch Decker Gisha Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Surik Vanderville for Hassel and Wongaman 15 ayes. Motion carries 654 resolution number 560809 by Alderman Gisha Clayunas Boran Bauch and Montemayor authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget establishing revenue and appropriation for monies received for drug enforcement activities from the federal government and Sheboygan county courts. Donations to the junior police academy donation for community policing and funds for fire department training. Alderman Gisha. Thank you your honor I move that the resolution be accepted and adopted. Motion in second under discussion. There being none please call the roll. Bauch Decker Gisha Hi Hannah Heidemann Kittlesen Clayunas Meyer Montemayor Rindflash Surik Vanderville for Hassel Wongaman and Boran 15 ayes. Motion carries 655 resolution number 570809 by Alderman Gisha Clayunas Boran Bauch and Montemayor authorizing a transfer of appropriations in the 2008 budget establishing appropriation for purchase of police department emergency response team vehicle. One more time Alderman Gisha. Long night I move that the resolution be accepted and adopted. Motion in second under discussion Alderman Rindflash. Thank you your honor just a point of order actually resolution should be put upon their passage not accepted and adopted. We've got a couple of them in a row now. Thank you. Alderman Meyer. Thank you your honor I just have some concerns with the way this resolution has been brought in. I don't feel that it has followed the process. I'm not understanding why it did not go to the Motor Vehicle Fund Committee for their review since this directly affects the motor vehicle fund and seeing that the process was not followed I won't be able to support this. Thank you Alderman Meyer. Alderman Gisha. Thank you doesn't affect motor vehicle fund at all. It's $85,000 being borrowed from the motor vehicle fund. We've never taken a nickel out of the motor vehicle fund that wasn't paid back with interest and scheduled to be paid back with interest and secondly it's a motor vehicle. So I don't know what the issue would be except that that's the mechanism for financing it and the money's being paid back. Alderman Meyer. Thank you your honor that's a wonderful concept but seeing that this department did not have the money in their budget to begin with to finance this vehicle I don't think they're going to have it in the future to pay it back. Just an observation. Thank you. It is the Motor Vehicle Fund is being the money is being put in place for the Motor Vehicle Fund through the Public Works Department only. The Police Department has never has never contributed any and never wanted to so it's not part of the formula. It is a motor vehicle I agree with you. I think while Alderman Meyer is just saying it is if it affects and it does anytime you take a penny out whether you're going to pay or not affects. She's just asking or concerned that that should have gone through the committee to. Alderman for Hassell. Thank you your honor. I guess just a question on this transfer here. Why not simply a withdrawal from the fund? I mean the fund is between eight and eight headed towards nine million dollars. In my opinion a bloated fund in excess of the needs of the fund itself and then on top of who we're paying interest and that interest is being paid with taxpayer dollars so just conceptually I'm having some issues with it on a whole lot of levels so I'm just curious the direction why we chose not to just make it a simple withdrawal. It's a one-time expense which I think is it's kind of the spirit of any withdrawal from there rather than a recurring expense. It's internal cash management pretty much. You're borrowing from a department who has not appropriated any money to an account is borrowing from there and it's logical in terms of internal cash management practice to have that particular department paid back which is what Alderman Gish has said. The only issue I think that Alderman Meyer brought up and I think it's a very critical one is when there's a committee that's assigned to deal with issues specific to that matter it should go before that committee as a courtesy and as a recommendation. Yes please. And I do understand the mechanics of it. I really do but conceptually it could be argued that that fund needs to stand more for three, four, five million dollars and we're sitting at eight gaining interest moving towards nine million dollars and we're paying back interest to this already and again my opinion a bloated fund so it's just a difference in opinions. Thank you. I'll make sure one more time. I don't disagree necessarily with Alderman person for hassle. Matter of fact I had a very spirited conversation about that very thing with then acting finance director and treasurer Nancy Bus and this was the recommendation based on the actually the definition that the mayor gave was the definition Nancy had given as well. I think some of our issue comes in with the fact that I think people look at the motor vehicle fund as owned by who contributes to it and not only conceptually but statutorily that's just completely inaccurate. The motor vehicle fund is owned by the citizens of Sheboygan not by any one department for any one particular use. It is it is a savings account that the city of Sheboygan through the taxpayers purchased a whole bunch of iron in the form of equipment. We rent that equipment much like Quasius does to individuals. The public works department is the largest user of that equipment not the only but certainly the supermajority wouldn't matter to me if there were 50 different departments utilizing that motor vehicle fund the return of those funds are the property of the citizens of Sheboygan and if we can utilize those funds so that we can save money by paying off debt restructuring things and things like that we are benefiting those who gave those funds to begin with so conceptually I understand turf with this but those funds are not owned by any department and are not the property of anyone but the citizens of the city of Sheboygan and I would agree with you but that includes the entire general operating budget and and even though that all that general operating budget belongs to the citizens we still have committees that certain requests and appropriations need to go through in order to be approved that's our structure and I agree with Alvin Meyer that perhaps even though it was an oversight it should have gone through the through the committee itself and again the public works department appropriates that money for future purchases of vehicles they don't need to do that because every time they do that they shift money from somewhere else if the department of public works doesn't elect to do that at all they're going to be using it hiring people are using for other things Alvin rainflakes thank you your honor I guess the question is I haven't yet to hear anybody saying that the time is of the essence we had to not suspend it last time around we simply laid it over so if time is not of the essence there should be no reason why we cannot refer to the motor vehicle fund committee and I'll make that motion second motion in second to refer to the motor vehicle committee for consideration under discussion on the motion to refer please thank you your honor just a quick question is there any urgency with this does anyone know as I understand the vehicle isn't we have no emergency response vehicle now we were replacing one it's not working anymore as I understood it is that anybody from the police department okay so so right now we don't have an emergency response vehicle so I will not be supporting the amendment thank you the motion is to refer back please call the roll refer to uh motor vehicle committee motor vehicle review motor vehicle review committee gisha no hannah no heidemann no kittleson hi clayunas no meyer hi montemayor hi rinflash siric no vanderweal no for hassle hi wankerman no boran no bauk no decker no five eyes 10 nose motion fails we're back on the motion to approve the appropriations please call the roll decker gisha hi hannah hi heidemann hi kittleson hi clayunas hi meyer no montemayor hi rinflash siric hi vanderweal hi for hassle hi wankerman hi boran hi and bauk hi 14 eyes one no motion carries 671 general orders number 30 0809 by alderman kittleson amended the municipal code so as to change the composition of the joint municipal advisory committee alderman kittleson thank you your honor i would make a motion to put the ordinance upon its passage motion and second under discussion under discussion the um we just increased that the committee was three and now we have five members appointed by the mayor and then it was one of three now it's two of five members shall be representatives of the village nominated by the village it's a house cleaning type of thing yes any other discussion there being none please call the roll hannah hi heidemann hi kittleson hi clayunas hi meyer hi montemayor hi rinflash siric hi vanderweal hi for hassle hi wankerman hi boran hi bauk hi decker hi gisha hi 15 eyes motion carries 672 general orders number 310809 by alderman clayunas creating a subsection in the 1975 shabuigan municipal code exempting certain members of the sustainable task force from the residency requirement. Alderman clayunas thank you your honor i move that the ordinance we put upon its passage motion and second under discussion all negation sorry i should have waited on this that's fine previous time but i agree with alderperson clayunas's earlier comments about having more of a broader approach i think that's excellent but this isn't a county city committee this is just a city committee we spent a lot of time in this room talking about residency and i believe alderperson kittleson was an author of that co-author of that yet it doesn't apply to this i it just seems confusing to me to have a person from the county making a recommendation uh who isn't a tax-paying citizen if if somebody wants to make this a county-wide committee that would be fine but it is not it's a city committee it just seems a bit odd after all the time we've spent on residency and there is a precedent one in particular that we dealt with when i was an alderman is a member of the water utility board commissioners uh the resident requirements stood that you had to be a resident the county council at that time wanted to change the residency requirements i actually made a motion to amend to allow it just one not to be a resident otherwise you could have all five in this case it's pretty specific here a question on that mayor yes it was was that not done if you can clarify that for me for one specific person who's named not to say we're always going to have one person who's not from the city i believe that was done for jerry vandercreek one individual who spent the last 20 years on the water commission but i don't believe it was done as a broad stroke of we'll always have one person who it's okay to have one person not from the city on the water commission i believe that was one exception made for an individual my recollection is one exception was made for that person but it was it stood if you were to leave at least one person could be could be allowed to be an unresident okay but that was that was the uh the uh the starting point okay we have alderman cleaners attorney clean maybe attorney McLean uh thank you your honor i just want to point out you see that the the numbering on this is b and sub seven what that references is the general proposition and a is you got to be a city resident if you're on a board or commission b one through six are six exceptions this would be the seventh exception so as the mayor mentions uh the water utility member was exempted uh there's member of the mayor's international committee who as long as they reside within the school district members of the marina and harbor committee as long as uh they have either a boat at the marina or they're representing the county and because the county has money involved uh we've got members of the contractors boards because we had problems with licensed contractors serving on those boards uh that was limited to if they had a business within the city so there's a number of exceptions and this uh is would be another one to the general rule of residency thank you i'll explain as you wish to speak anymore thank you your honor i just would add that any recommendations that would come from this task force would be coming to the council so you still it's not going to be like it's something you know slipped under the rug or something like that it would be brought back to the council for approval and uh hopefully they would always be making recommendations that would improve the city of shabuigan and the county would i would think catch on and be part of it in some way and doing their own expansion of it in their own uh forums i hope thank you and finally all of them what they might want thank you your honor um alderman gisha i can understand what what do you mean but i would think that on this sustainable shabuigan task force we should get as many people as we can from our area that have expertise and knowledge to help us with this particular problem and if there's somebody outside the city limits that has a key and bit of information expertise i think we need to use that person okay nobody okay then the motion is to uh put the resolution upon its passage please call the roll heidemann kittleson clay unis meyer montemay or rinflash suric fander wheel for hassle wangaman boran bauk decker gisha and hannah 15 eyes motion carries 673 general owners number 320809 by alderman hannah rinflash ryan heidemann and kittleson relating to no parking zones so as to add a no parking in the alley zone in the east west alley south of michigan avenue west of north 17th street president hannah motion and second under discussion all over hassle thank you ron i just wanted to verify that the uh all the affected homeowners have been approached or given a notice of this change um but president hannah yes um absolutely yeah they were all pooled and uh they were all surveyed and it came back very positive very good and that is the general practice for you we have this okay there'll be no more discussion please call the roll kittleson clay unis meyer montemay or rinflash suric fander wheel for hassle wangaman boran bauk decker gisha hannah and heidemann 15 eyes motion carries other matters authorized by law returning McLean thank you your honor 757 is communication from david gilani requesting that mini storm sewers be installed in his area as he has experienced numerous flooding in his basement that will be referred to public works 758 is a communication from mark gurney stating that he has had replaced by greece meyer concrete they're already rising with tree roots and fields they should be replaced by greece meyer concrete without charging the city or himself that will be referred to public works 757 is an aroh by the board of electrical examiners submitting or advising that the following licenses have been issued 759 lies over 760 is an aroh by the city clerk submitting a communication from tami hitman 2008 broad days parade chair person stating that broad day board has passed a motion to have any participating political figure pay a $50 fee for participating in the parade however if the mayor council are able to provide 10 volunteers for the event the $50 fee would be refunded it's at uh it's at $5 a minute an hour i should say that will be referred to finance oh my gosh i get that one 761 is an aroh by the city clerk submitting communication from mark man president of the liars dice club requesting permission to close swift avenue for the annual fundraising street dance beginning at 7 a.m. rather than 10 a.m. on august 3rd that will be referred to public protection and safety 762 is an aroh by the city clerk submitting a claim from gary sharon brock for alleged damages to their basement when the sewers backed up because they were plugged up with tree roots and debris that will be referred to risk management 763 is a resolution authorizing the city attorney to engage services of special outside legal counsel to represent the law and licensing committee and counsel uh with regard to quasi judicial hearings regarding suspension revocation of class b alcohol beverage license number 2521 and class a alcohol beverage license number for shenanigans uh and authorizing payment for said services 763 will lie over 764 is a committee report by the city county shared services committee committee to whom was referred ro 603 0708 by the city clerk submitting communication from glenn marcus regarding the matter of joint dispatch and stating that they established an ad hoc committee recommends that the document be accepted and placed on file lies over 765 is an ordinance amending section 29-75 of the 1975 municipal code so to include the following change to pay schedule x claddy 4 765 will also lie over 766 is an ordinance amending section 29-75 of the 1975 municipal code so as to include the following change to pay schedule y class grade 23 that too lies over 767 is a committee report by city county shared services advising your committee to whom was referred res number 4108 09 by all the persons for hassleton boron authorizing the city shboygan to initiate a shared services study with the shboygan county government for the purposes of determining the most cost effective efficient location for a joint emergency dispatch recommends that the resolution be placed on file that one also will lie over 768 is communication from anthony and susan pucksich of foxridge court regarding the noise level of the music being played at crossroads 4604 south business drive that will be referred to law and licensing committee 769 is an arrow by the city clerk submitting various license applications for the period ending june 30 2009 and june 30 2010 that will also go to law and licensing committee president hannon in motion to go into procession thank you mr. mayor i would make a motion that we go into closed session which like motion in second to go to closed session do you want me to read the statue yes thank you okay under the exemption provided by section 19.85 one g wisconsin statutes for the purpose of conferring with legal counsel for the city who is rendering oral or written advice concerning the strategy to be adopted by the city with respect to litigation in which it is involved here please call the roll. motion carries we'll go into closed session for the benefit of the public when we reconvene uh we will not be on on tv anymore this will be a closed session i'd ask everyone to leave except our council and hr director thank you very much