 And first on the agenda is to approve the agenda. Any additions or comments to the agenda tonight? I'm from my end. I will accept the agenda as written. Second. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Great. Go ahead. Public comment inquiry. Anybody here have anything other than what's on the schedule tonight? I was hoping to give an update on the whole level project that's happening. I don't know if that's a good time. Oh, sure. Okay. So on May 15th, they will be installed and we'll have two people from Team Better Lock. We'll have a couple of people from the trans and hopefully a couple of people from the town group. Half of them will get installed in the morning, which will have a meeting, a lunch meeting with people from the trans and other community members who are in the placemaking just to see our projects. And then the other two will be installed in the afternoon. And so two will be five meals per burger, one on each side of the street. And they're not going to be all four. They're not going to have money in A or B budget to do two on each side. So it'll be one on each side and then one at the salmon shop and across the way. Five meals per one. And there's a display, a public display at Mills Burger that people can look at. It was at town meeting, but it has some photos and a map of where ours are going to be. We're planning on May 19th, I mean the Better Lock to celebrate our three art projects, the mural, the manners and the benches, and then talk about the blow-out as well. So we'll have some plug things going on on that day. And the updates on the blow-outs are there's not money for sensors in them. We thought there could be permanent sensors in them. So what's going to happen instead is read-out from... Two rivers. We're just going to install temporary ones two weeks before they go in and the two weeks right after they go in so we can have a pedestrian and auto count and speed and things like that. So we'll have some data pre and on the two weeks. And there will be planters in them for beautification. I don't know what image of what they look like, but they'll be safely installed in the blow-out and not where they're going to get hit or anything. So ARP is going to fund some beautification plans in there as well. And that's the update so far. We did planters. Yep. And are those handmade? Yeah, we have them. Okay. We'll be installing hardware and bandage around the same time and doing all the striping and the crosswalks and all that too. I run that right before that. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Yep. Yeah, we're going to put the public block on May 19th and have the artist be at the benches, the banners, the mural. And walk all through and learn about the projects and celebrate the artist on that day, which I'm super excited about. That was on the 19th? Yes. So being temporary, how fragile are they? How likely are they to deteriorate? Or how long are we going to be able to have them in place, I guess, this morning? At least a couple of years. Oh, cool. We take them out to the winters and they can be put in other places too if people decide to try different crosswalks. We'll learn how to put them in. And that goes into the concrete and they'll teach us all of that. And it's surprising that a few tools that you need to even do it, they better block, fly some on their plane, you know, with all the tools and everything. So it's pretty easy, it sounds like. So, yeah, they should, they could last, I think they set up to five years, depending on weather and things. But yeah, we can use them a couple of years at least. They're like big rubber leg-oases recently. Right, yeah. So what is the timeframe in which we're looking at using them each season here? I think it can be up to the road crew to figure out. But, you know, they'll go in May 15th now and then I'm assuming they'll want to bring them up before the snow. And so that could be up to them, I think. Just to decide. It's like end of October. Yeah, I was thinking about it. First of November. Yeah, they're going to be delivering the installation for that reason. So they don't want to do it because they want to go somewhere else and be able to take them up. And we'll store them in the shop. So, yeah, we'll just take them up there. I know this song is going to be much of a big deal to take them up anyway. So we can do it pretty quickly if we need to. Yeah. But if it enhances pedestrian traffic in the downtown and making sure that fall pedestrian tourism timeframe is fully taking advantage of them. Yeah, I think just hitting it sometime in early November before we go as late as we can and take them up. But the point is, I think, if you know a store is coming, we can get out there and take it out pretty quickly. So maybe we'll just go as long as we can. As long as we can and as long as the weather will allow us. Good. Sounds cool. Awesome. Thank you. Any other questions or anything? Anybody else? Any public comment? Seeing none, we'll move on. We're first appointment this evening at 6.15 with the ATV club. Are you guys all set now or you want to wait until 8.00 to 6.00? Okay. Hi, I'm Cat Carter. This is Chuck Kleinman. We're the central on quadrilateral ATV club. We're coming every year to ask permission to use the trails that we've been using and to make sure there's no issues. Something to address during this. Does anybody have any issues that we can hear? Not that I've heard it. Not that I've heard it. And you've got the map on file with the trails that you're using. So we haven't made it out. We haven't made it out. They're using fourth class roads and some private roads that are crossing town roads and stuff like that. So that's the only thing you're asking permission for. So we typically have a map that describes it and those trails haven't changed. So if you don't have one on hand, they can get one. Right. I'll check and see if I don't have one. Most of the town roads are class four. There are some sections of class three we use to connect with. Or cross. Yeah. So do you guys have to give them, like we did the snowmobiles, the crossings? Do we have to do a motion for that? Yeah, that's what they're asking for. Same thing. And that's the only, the map gives us, and the list of roads gives us the clarity on what we're getting permission for. Well, I'll make sure that sounds like we have a map. Did you provide the map last year? Yes. We have at some point. I know we've seen it. I think the only discussion we had last year is that we were missing some pieces of the map. We didn't have the poles set. Of course, the teeth was last year. That's right. So we had something to do with, we didn't either get pieces of it or the map had changed and we didn't get an updated map or something like that. So maybe if we just make sure we work together on it. Yeah, is there any way you can just get us a piece of the map? I can send it. Okay. Electronically? I should be able to. I'm just looking to see if I had one here with me. I believe that was the only discussion that I had last year. Something that I can't remember. Exactly. Just where some of those crossings were. There was a couple of roads that was up in the air last year. And it could have been one of those things that, you know, one manager going out and one coming up. And another one here. You can bring it up. It's amended several times. Make sure that's right. You just want, what's in the map, all correct? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's just to back you up so that when people say, what do you guys get permission to do the roads and then the town office has the map and clear. Yeah. So. Entertain a motion? Yeah, make a motion and we approve the use of the, the trails and crossing the roads by the ATV club. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. Just make sure we get those maps all together. Okay. All right. Perfect. All right. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks. All right. Ellie's just coming in now. I think we have a little bit of time before we get to Ellie. So we can give her a little bit of time to settle in. If you want to move on, move on with some of our other part of the business. Are you expecting many, many others, Ellie? Okay. So we'll give you a little bit more time then. All right. So we can move ahead. We'll go into the water and sewer budgets. As we had talked about at the last meeting and there's been some side by our discussions outside about just getting that out there a little sooner this year. So it gives us an opportunity to get the information publicly. And then we'll give us one or two meetings to address any comments before, before doing the rates and knowing the past. It's been a, this comes to the meeting and there's a rate on it and we approve it and just moves on from there without any justification. So I think this year would be nice to get a little bit of a discussion. The main thing tonight would be, did everybody get the information in their packets in regards to the water and sewer? Yep. Proposals? I think on the $100,000 price for the sewer. I must have been 13, but I was clarifying some numbers when we came in today with Tim Mills about sewer was pumped. So that number might change a little bit, but won't change the budget at all. Okay. I mean really might change your, these little bit increase some, but I just need to clarify with him. I think my 613 might be off because I based it on a different number than what he batched based on. But since this is a proposed discussion, I think we'll hammer it out and get it to you. So the, so the information at hand tonight is, is a living document that we're still, you know, finalizing. So any of the numbers that we discussed are, are not set in stone yet and they might not even be the final number that we have. But that's our closest working document that we have to date. So. I think it'll be all very close except for maybe that one right there. But like I said, I was sending Tim and Tim out the end today. I had a nice visit with Greg and Therese today and answered a lot of questions that I had about the figures. Not so much the, the computations of the EU's and whatnot, and how it impacted the budget as opposed to what we had in the time report and what we had, you know, in the budget that's in effect right now. And they, they answered all the questions that I had about it. And the only other one that I came up with afterwards, two things. The 67 million figure, is that based on water coming back in through the sewer plant or is that actual water going out? We've got a master meter on both of our wells. Okay. That's the daily logs of that. That's the calculations. Okay. And then. It's not really opposite to what we're coming back in because we only have half of the money. So we actually have, we've extrapolated a little bit and we've done a multiplier of one and a half times. So we do the, to make up for that difference to kind of give us a general idea of what we're, what we should have been seeing coming back to the sewer plant. If everybody was on the system. Yeah. Because I know we lived up on Mills Drive. We had water, but no sewer, no town sewer. So we've tried a number of different factors. Try to kind of make an equation that kind of accounts for that. But the main number is based on the actual pump of water. Yeah. So the, I guess the main number is just to kind of get it out there in the public eye so that there are any questions over the next couple of weeks. We can address that the next meeting prior to taking action. I don't, the intent tonight wasn't to take any action on the proposed water rates. That's completely up to the board, but the, it was more of an informational, let's get it out there so people know what's coming. And should allow them two week notice to come in the next meeting and propose any questions they might have or concerns. So just looking at the rates, the current EU rate is $100 and 92 cents. And the proposed rate this year is a 15% increase on the EU, which is 11612 and EU. And this kind of runs in line with what we've been doing the last two to three years with. We knew where we need to get to and we've been trying to take it in smaller increments to get to the target. Which we're still trying to find exactly where that target is, but we're getting very close to it. So the biggest changes right now is 15% increase to the EU rate. And we've, we've had quite a bit of discussion in regards to the vacancy rate in the town. And what that is and doesn't number make sense, where should it be? And, and through Greg and Therese doing research on that, plus going back and actually looking at what our water ordinance states is the water ordinance in the state in the town of Bethel. States that the vacancy rate should at least cover the fixed cost of the system. So, which I guess makes sense, right? So according to the fixed cost, the fixed cost represent 68.96% of the overall water budget. So by using the water ordinance that we have, that we haven't really been following. And, and making that calculation based on the 68.96% percent. That would bring our vacancy rate from $25 to $80 and eight cents a quarter. So that's in line with our policy. So where the $25 in the past came from, don't know, but the $25 that had been the vacancy rate wasn't covering the fixed costs to service that, that building. And they're not using water, but it's delivered water. So, Chris, the vacancy. It's the, it's the, in essence, it's the rental. It's the hookup. And that's the cost that would even if you weren't pumping any water. That's right. So is the vacancy rate based on a monthly amount like if the quarter. So let's say there's an apartment and a building that's vacant. If it's only vacant for a month, that doesn't apply to the vacancy rate. It has to be for a quarter before the vacancy rate could be utilized. My short experience here is that it's, no one really says like they don't come in and say, oh, I was on a vacancy rate and now my apartment is full. We could already if we knew that, but we generally don't know that. And that's one of the reasons that Greg has the recent survey, but I have to see as well. And some of the other issues that we had with the calculations of the EU rate in the past has been because we haven't, when we did the EU rates the last few years or more than that, we haven't been calculating in the vacancy rate people as well. That number we had been budgeting has been slightly lower than where we should have been because we weren't factoring in the vacancy. Undercharged. Yeah. So the non-vacants were paying the difference of the vacancy. Or not even. They weren't charging enough. Because the calculation was inadequate. Right. So what we've done is we've taken each vacancy and given an EU calculation of .69, whatever it is, 689, to do that final number so that we can do that final calculation. The other number, and this number, the next number for the paper, the next number, which is your cost per thousand gallons of water metered. We currently, the current is on 90 cents, 90 cents per 1000 gallons metered. What we had found out going through this process is that 90 cents doesn't even cover the cost of the water metered per thousand. So again, where maybe that made sense years ago and it just was never updated. But so the proposed rate for the metered gallons per 1000 gallons is proposed right now at $3.59. So it's a large, large increase, but we're getting to where the cost of water is. So those four metered accounts that we have, you know, when they. 359. 359. Because these four metered counts, the way I believe it works is they pay for the EU and it comes with a certain volume of water. And if they use more than that volume of water, then they have to pay, right now they're paying 90 cents per 1000 gallons. So what was happening is if they were drawing that water, when they went past that, at that point we were losing money every time they drew water. Excuse me, what does the EU stand for? Equivalently unit. Equivalently unit is what it, yeah, whichever. That's basically because a thousand gallons is 2.7 equivalent units, right? That rate is based off of the charge for the $377, that's 377 gallons per day that go with the equivalent units. So it's all based on actual calculations off of the EU cost. So you have an EU cost breakdown and everything is being calculated back and forth off of that. This is no longer arbitrary or we're trying to be as unarbitrary as possible. We're still using the EU methodology but now we're quantifying what that EU is. Because the 90 per thousand or the 25 vacancy in the past, those are entirely arbitrary. So that basically makes the entire EU system arbitrary. Okay, yeah. So now moving to a more accurate calculation on EUs and then using calculation to determine both the per thousands and the vacancy gives us some more validity. Right. Also, I think it makes it easier too, since you get customer service for the water. It's a lot easier to be able to say, you know, how much a thousand gallons or what it is or what your daily rate is. Certainly easier to quantify to a user now instead of saying, oh, you're the one EU, which somebody might not understand at all. And it definitely is all based on science and fact of what we actually found because Kelly and Tenzin have been tracking that for a while. It can also allow us to quantify the EU based on because we're capturing a loss. Right. So we're pumping, what we're pumping is not what we're filling in the past. So everybody has that problem. Right. But it also gives us some incentive to find the leaks. Absolutely. That's what you're saying. And it also allows us to come around about a way, if we assume that two ten gallons per day, which is AWW made for one EU. Let's just say that that's a solid number, an accurate number. It allows us, we've calculated here what an actual EU, how much company that actually is based on what we've found. So it'll show us how much water we've lost, what percentage of water we've actually lost. Over what the recommended amount is, the industry standard amount. Right. It helps us to track the loss there too. Yeah, I think we, I mean, Tim and Therese sort of, they work real hard on this stuff, especially this thing here. This was three or four or five of the discussions that we all had about trying to make the math. It was great having the breakdown of how the calculations were done and the possible ways you could get to the same result. Yeah. That was actually really helpful. Yeah. We were trying to, I was an office attendant to break down and then we were just kind of running the numbers. And then today we were kind of calculating it out to see, to use the same methodology for sewer. But it was, it was very interesting. It definitely took all three of us because you'd think about it and then you'd go home and be like, please. Yeah. So it was definitely worth it. And I think it's nice to have the backup on it. And you know, I know that two years I was on the board, you know, other than just saying this was the proposed rate last year versus this year. We really didn't have a lot of information to go on. So. And it's nice to know that, you know, in our water ordinance, it did state that vacancy rate should be, should be covered, you know, should at least cover the fixed cost percentage. But if you don't know what your fixed cost percentage is, then. I think that might have been the issue in the past. Yeah. So on the on the water end of things, you know, the EU is going to go up 15%, which has been the same as the last two years in a row. I remember I spent 15, 15 and 15. And then the vacancy rate is going to cover our fixed costs going forward. So that as well as our dollars per 1000 gallons, as we found the past that I just don't think there was probably enough research that was done to know what that cost was. And it's nice to see that all laid out here. I think what is this that piece there is that public. Do we have that on the website? You know, it's not it's an internal. If not, maybe, I don't know. Maybe the first page. Yeah, the first page. That might be a very handy one to put out there. Sure. Because I mean it, you know, even, even if you're really not all into the knowledge of how this all works, it seems to make sense when you read it, you know, without having a degree in it. Well, I don't know. I mean, if you get into. You really, yeah, if you get all the calculations out there, you really can get a heads up. Yeah. We did that internally. Yeah. You're going to have people coming and asking you. Yeah. Can we put an effective date on there too? Just as a reminder to the folks and when they this, when you get your bill on July 4th or whatever. And that's why we wanted to have it. Usually we have this discussion. I remember right, Carl. We have it like first of June. First meeting of June. It was late last year. Yeah. You should do it in May, right? Yeah, not June because you want to make it up for your CCR. Yeah, it was, it was, it came out late last year because of the transition. Yeah. No. Well, I think even before. Okay. June. We'll get it done. We'll get it started as soon as we, the next meeting as soon as we approve, if we approve the budget for the next meeting, then we'll. So I think we'll. Because the budget is pretty set. It's just like I said, I'm just recalculating that one thing. But it definitely, that way of information can go on the consumer conference report. That's to go out and make sense. And then on the, on the sewer end, do we have any other water discussions? You know, water is definitely the one that's, you know, has the change to it on, on the proposed sewer rates. Currently we're at $175.97 per EU. And the proposed rates are to stay the same. So there won't be any increase in EU rate with the proposed sewer rate schedule currently. There has been just like in water, there has been corrections for the vacancy rate, the current vacancy rate for sewers $50. And just like with water to cover the fixed, to cover the fixed cost with the sewer would be $120.70. So that'll be increased to $70.70 on the vacancy rate for sewer. And right now there's probably not any need to read off the per thousand gallons because we're still kind of working on that figure. But as of right now, currently we're charging meter accounts $2.18 per 1,000 gallons. And just like with the water, that $2.18 per 1,000 gallons isn't covering our fixed cost when somebody uses over their equivalency. So we're still working on that calculation. The number that we have that we're working with right now is $6.13 per 1,000 gallons. But it sounds like there's a little bit more work with Theresa and Tim and Greg on that until we know exactly what that would be. But we should have that finalized by next meeting. How many are the same water meter accounts, the also meter sewer, or how many? So the intent of the next meeting would be to put it on the agenda as well. And if there are no big public comment or inquiries in regards to what would be to propose and move forward with the rates at that time. Do you want to go changes in the budget as to what we had proposed? I think out of 15% increase just in a different methodology for an influx sewer. We actually worked it out in a different way, but we kind of end up with the same thing. The only thing we tweaked in the budgets themselves were the addition for the grant match for the trench box. And then basically appreciation, which is something we haven't carried before, which we need to carry. So we should be covering here in the public about twice what we are, but we know it wasn't filled in the day. So we're going to, at least we're starting with that number. So those are really the only changes, I think, as opposed in the counter report and we've seen before for budgets. Yep. So good. Any other discussion in regards to the water and sewer both rates? You'll freak them on over. I feel personally offended. Just take a few minutes for the camera on. So we'll, I don't know, we table that for the next and we keep it on. And then we will get this piece here onto the website so everybody can just look at that. Perfect. I really appreciate it. Yeah, I think that's a great breakdown. And it's actually nice to know that there were an ordinance and how much we should have been charging that we weren't charging. And it really makes it easy. So, so it is 630 so we can, the Recreation Committee have everybody that you guys are waiting on. So for us and just to give you a background, I actually know from minutes and stuff, Corey Stearns had gotten Spine Ranch to come and work with us. A gentleman from Spine Ranch and from California did a workshop. Design class for us to give our input on what kind of a skateboard park that we wanted. And then, and then he took our ideas. We met in October. He took our ideas and then he made up, made a design and sent it in to us in December. And the committee has incorporated some kids. I'd say kids that are skateboard enthusiastic, enthusiasm kids from Bethel have been a part of our meetings. And then Shane here and Tim and another guy named Scott Mitchell has been a part of our committees. And we looked at the design. This is Scott. And we looked at the design that Ben sent us in December and there were so many things that we were not comfortable with in Ben's design. So these nice gentlemen Shane and Tim and Scott got together and they've been working on the design that they have with better work in Bethel. And so we are presenting the design that they have come up with to you to get your input and see where we can go from here. And then they agreed to conference call with us on May 3rd to see what the feedback is and to keep working and see if we can tweak and see what we can do with our design. So that's a background. And then you pack it and I'll have Shane explain to you the results. This is a preliminary design but it does include the features that we would like to purchase. Carl you'll notice on the digital versions there are portions of the picture cut off that this has. So there's sort of, it's like when it got scanned it just snips the corners off. But they were rotated so I can see. This is a wave introduction. I'm Shane Kinsley. I'm a member of the red committee now. I started riding BMX when I was 14 years old. I stopped riding shortly after I got married for a while. But I got back on my bike last year so playing this game again. So we've got Scotty and Tim. They're both skaters in the 20s. They know what they're doing. And we've been beating up this animal for a few months now. Almost weekly meeting with the Cockatoodles. We've been very helpful by the way. Very supportive of them. We've come up with terrain that we believe represents all age and ability levels for riders, skaters, scooters, inline skaters. So kids of any age, young and old, can go to this park and feel like there's something by way of terrain that represents what they would be interested in doing. It's not an easy feat but we're beating this animal and pretty good. How has the footprint changed at all in terms of the area that we've talked about? The original allocation was a little bit smaller than this. It was 125 on the long side and 90 on the back side. Roughly 70 wide. We've grown it just a little bit. This is 120 wide by 80. So it's an absolute rectangle but it's very much consistent with the area that's been designated for the skate park. It corresponds exactly to the same width of the tennis courts. So if the tennis courts form this rectangle, we're just off one end of it extending 80 feet back from that. So by coinciding our slab with the tennis court slab, I think it'll make sense topographically too. So I'm not sure if you were in on that and I know you weren't. There was a discussion of moving the skate park to the north to integrate with the tennis courts. So eventually when the tennis courts go in they will share, if you will, a slab with this or share a space with this. You'll just have the tennis courts and then this will be right next to it. Part of the reasoning I think was to bring it down slope and get it away from the big hill so that we weren't worried about having a big wall with that slope coming down. So that explains what he's talking about a little more. It gets a move to the north. If you've seen some of the topographical information on the terrain, until you get really far of the hill, it is very, very mellow slope. So by cutting down just a little bit into the ground and elevating the tennis courts just a little bit, it won't be as much of an extreme digging to the hillside or as much of a mountain to every tennis court is on. It'll promote really good drainage for both features by having just a little bit of space in there. Yep, okay. Thank you. We've got a variety of funding options. We've got probably a hundred gates so far available. We're looking at an AARP grant. We're also looking at a land and water conservatory matching grant. And Scotty's been working on the GoFundMe to bring in some outside sourcing. That'll be quite helpful. Do you want to talk about that for me, Scotty? Yeah. I actually went to the GoFundMe page in order to start it. They obviously asked for a small percentage for the donation. That's how they run the platform. They don't have to make money too. The only thing is, in order to start that, which on the first page, you have to pick a category on what the donation is going for. It's either yourself, which it obviously is. Someone else, which they take a 2.9% and every donation, they get 30 cents on the donation. So that's just standard. But if it's for someone else as in the category, it's 2.9% that they get. But I don't know if this is considered a non-profit or a charity, but you have to have the 501, whatever. C3, non-profit. So if that falls into that category, then it goes up to 7.9%. So I couldn't really make the page yet without knowing if that's what we are, or if that's not what we are, or how we're supposed to categorize that. We're not a 501, C3. No, we're not. We're not a 501, something. Yeah. And all bearers are non-profit and tax-exempt. Okay. We're considered non-profit. So yeah, we're being in that category then. So that's basically what I need to hear from you guys before I could continue that page, because that's literally the first page. So the important thing to consider with raising funds for the municipalities that you need to work with to research or with Greg, because it's not the Recreation Committee isn't raising funds. It's the town of Bethel raising funds. Yeah, that's basically why we're coming here to see all the fine points of the details before we actually go and make the page, because I'm pretty sure as soon as you make the page, there's only so many changes you can do with it, and I don't want to make it as a non-profit to find out that we are coming to this meeting and have to change everything. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's got to be something similar to managing grants. And you're going to need an account number and stuff. Well, there's also the, I don't know if this is work or not, but an option that was kind of presented to us is to donate it to the town. I don't know if that would, like, if it goes into somebody's name and then you donate it to the, like, to our cause. I don't know if that's something that... That's probably the best way to make a donation to the town, because I don't know if the town is going to be able to do a GoFundMe page. Do they not have an option to get a simple government or government? Not in the three categories. In, like, there's the three categories you can choose for the donation, and then down at the bottom, I took a picture of it. Down at the bottom... I'm just going to show you so I don't have to read them all. See, down at the bottom, this... You can pick through all these categories, but that doesn't change, like, the percentage or anything. So I was thinking, like, it could even be, like, the non-profit charity's down here, or it could be the animals and community and neighbors. It can, like, fit in a number of those. I think that my gut tells me, what do you think, but if somebody else were to do the GoFundMe page and you donated that money to the town, that would be the best, in my opinion, that would be the best way to do it. I can help you, because you're going to need an account, because they're going to have to be at work to put the money out. So if you come in, I'm happy to help you. If you were, like, friends of the skateboard park, GoFundMe, then the friends of the skateboard park could donate the money to the town. This goes worldwide, like, literally... What I'm getting at is that if the municipality can't have its own page, then you raise money as friends of the skateboard park and then friends of the skateboard park donate some money to the town. That's probably the best way to do it. I would think. What do you think, Therese? Yeah, well, we've done this process before to raise money and you just have to have an account number so that we can see what comes in, and it doesn't run for a specific amount of time. Can't you put a time limit on it? No, this is the first page, so I didn't click anything. I'm just not sure if we would actually... I mean, I've never done the GoFundMe stuff, but I don't know. You have a little lary of the altability of a government. I just want to make sure that it functions. You're self-disciplined, but you go to college. I mean, there's literally anything you do. Yeah, I really would... I think I would feel more comfortable about the board but with the donation I did. I think we're going to have the most... I mean, that's way for everybody to have the most money. So, you know, the nonprofit status is in those numbers. And the municipality has a... It's a 501 number, but it isn't a C3. And if it's not... And if it asks for C3, it says C3 then we can't be a part of it because we're not a C3. That's where I'm going to start from. It doesn't say so. Does that mean we're not a nonprofit then? No, we're not a nonprofit. We're just not a 501 C3 nonprofit. Well, they ask that when you click on it. That pops right up. I would go with somebody else. Okay. Compiling the money and then the donation. I think that's probably the better way to do this. You need to give it to her so that she can get to my doubt. Yeah, of course you have to. Come in. Awesome. I'm going to dismiss the idea. Just try to be sure it works. That's why we're bringing it here because we don't want to make sure that we can do this fundraiser. We have people of it. And before, we do it. It goes correctly this week. Right. And I've also reached out. There's professional skateboarders that are out in California now. I'm like, they grew up here and stuff from Vermont. And I've already reached out to them and they said they'd be more and happy to share it. And I think they all have sponsors like Mountain Dew and everybody that they ride for us. There's possibility of actually getting some serious money from maybe an actual brand that really represents skateboarding in the whole world. I have a question for the committee. What do you folks think you need to be able to approve this kind of thing? If I say, hey, we've got a 120 by 80. It matches the tennis court. What more information or designs do you need to see before you guys can say, yes, this is in the spirit of what we're trying to do and budget dependent, you guys can proceed to create this type of training. Paul, the budget, I think that that's what it really comes down to is, and we can, in the past, we've already basically gone through this step at least once before. And it really comes down to supporting it at the board level to be able to justify it to the town, to the townspeople, we need to know what it's going to cost. And clearly the fundraising you're doing is going to be a great advantage. But I think that's what we had a year ago. We had a very detailed budget that broke down what the town was going to have to contribute and what the grants and other resources were going to be able to contribute to it. I think the other thing, too, that was important to the community as well is, you know, we did have a budget, and I can't remember. We've been back and forth. I think last time it was like eating something when we checked class. 80 from the town. Yeah. I think the other important thing to keep in mind, or keep in mind, too, is even if all of a sudden we came up with $200,000, right, you want to make it bigger, I know the townspeople, anyways, they voted not just on a skate park, but also a footprint of that skate park. And there are some people that want to make sure that there's ample green space still available to do other activities. So just keep in mind on that. It sounded like that's what we'd heard before was, you know, because of the green space as well. So it sounds like right now you're pretty close to on original footprint, which is good. I would just say if all of a sudden somebody don't need a large amount of money and your budget doubled, it doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to be able to double that footprint. So. Yeah. No. No. This is going to change 100 times before we're done. Yeah. There are a lot of semantics, but this is the spirit of what we're trying to do. And I think on our end of things, you know, when it comes down to the actual design of the park, what's in the park itself inside that footprint, I mean, I don't think that any of us five are really going to tell you how many rails and benches and things you should have in there. It's going to be more. That's your thing. Make sure we're on budget and on footprint. The level of creativity and inclusivity that you've gone through is what we're looking for. It's great. You're going to come to us and recommend us what should be in there. The main thing is like, I think we're more about the technical and budgetary issues that we need to make sure that our recreation center is well represented to the entire town and that the skate park takes care of a portion of the people's interest, but it doesn't manipulate the ground space down there and that it's complimentary and that it's within a reasonable budget or that there's funding brought to it from other sources. Do we have a time frame right now and what we're looking at for bidding or excuse the word? Well, yeah, we don't know. I mean, we're we have our next meeting May 3rd and we're setting up a conference call with this so we can correspond, but we don't know what the framework of the time to get a permit for this or get bids out or go for bidding. Because this has to go to a zone too. Yeah. Well, and the land and conservation grant, we were hoping was going to be available this summer so that we could possibly start the groundwork in the fall and it's not available this summer. It's available for next summer. So the application is in the fall. Right. So that's what we're shooting for. Can you face this in case the budget comes out short? I don't know. I'm sure we can make something plain. Just so maybe to add to your talking about free plans. Just in case the budget falls short, they can be faced some way. So it's not incomplete. Kind of like leave the middle middle island. Part of the middle island or something. There's also another grant that Patrick and Leigh has agreed to work on. And I also got information from, there was in seven days another town is getting a skateboard park and they got money from a Thorengine grant. Yeah. So we're trying for all those different avenues to budget and to get money and so we can. That's great. So realistically, probably next summer. Do you get it to fail? I think that was safe bet. Safe bet. End of August because you can't do it. Yeah, you know, you kind of get into the season. I think most contractors have probably already got probably a pretty full workload already. But forge ahead and get it. So in the digital version here, there's a whole lot of colors. Is that just so that each one of the elements stands out? So it's basically going to be a bare concrete. We added some green. So it's not all just gray. And that would be painted concrete? So that they would be green. I mean, in the flesh, what's it going to look like? Great. Like this. Yeah, more or less. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. What are some talk about using the white grant on some of this? Is that still an option? Yeah. There's some ledges over on the right-hand side if you're looking that way. Some flat ledges on the spare space, some flat ledges. And we're in the foothills of this beautiful granite quarry up here that seems to be booming right now with all the products that are going on. I thought it would be a neat idea to bring a little bit of the natural elements of this geographic area and bring down some of that white granite and make some ledges out of it. And just to bring in a little bit of that. Plus, that stuff's really fun to skate or ride. Really rare to find. Lasts a long time. I think they have the green dichotomy. Yeah. Some of these would have to be some color to it. We want to make sure there's too much solo low, though. If you had asphalt, the heat would not have to be ridiculous. If we did flat gray, that'd be boring. So we'll find some color that works. Yeah. So I saw the one that I love them in today. It looks kind of bland. Yeah. It's very, you know. There were a lot of folks that are using it, though. It's okay. Yeah. It's usually pretty busy there. There's a nice one outside Denver. You can dye the concrete whatever you want to make it blend. And it's kind of more pleasant visually. That's why we chose all the obstacles that are kind of sticking out so that even the ones that are colored, don't run into them. They're not as experienced rider or someone. Yeah. Can you do a visual that places this on the area of the rock center? Just so you can see the power. Yeah. Just something that shows the whole area there. So how it will fit. Yeah. It'll be a good thing to have. Yeah. And like Carl said, I mean, we're, you know, as long as we keep the footprint, you know, somewhat in order and our budget in order. I mean, those are the two big things that we'll be looking at as a board. You know, you guys use your creativity to design your footprint, you know, and I don't think you really need to have any type of approval from us for your design of what it's going to go on inside your footprint. I think you guys are free to do what you want to do. And I mean, it'd be nice to, you know, shoot us designs every once in a while to see where you're at. But I don't think as far as we're considered here, I don't want to speak for everybody, but I think we need to judge you on what needs to be in the park or not. Just update on budget footprint. And I think we're, we're good to go and timeframe on when we might see this. And making sure that the funding is copacetic. We are. Okay, so after we do that, then do we, then is there some way that we have a bid, bid on first? We have to be something that will be coordinated through the administration. But basically, I mean, the select board has been behind this project for several years. And in essence, you haven't changed it at all. You're continuing to tweak it to make it be closer to construction ready. So as far as I can see, we're not really dealing. It's not like, you're not re just because you've got a new design ish and you've got a new group of people are working on it. It's not a new project. It was just moving forward with one that needs some time. And so clearly when it gets to that point where the committee feels like you've got the plan is secure and you've got a sense of funding, then you just need to coordinate with Greg and Teresa and make sure that the money and the, and the budgeting and the bidding is done in the right order. What did you say? You said something about zoning. Yes, it has to go through zoning. It's considered development. It's on land development. So we'll have to go through zoning. It won't be up. They'll have to do zoning. I mean, it just has to have a zoning permit. Yeah. Yeah. And that means, you know, probably not an administrative permit. It will be a DRB. And so it will be a public. It will be public. So there might be, the only reason I say that is because there might be people out there that can, that may be against it. That might speak. So, but it still has to be public. Public care. Yeah. Public care. Okay. So in summary, we're looking to build a park that will serve generations. Not a parking lot that will be abandoned in five years. There are three, four examples within 10 miles. Every Vermont park. That's why we've been meeting like, Shane, Tim and I have been meeting every week, basically going over designs. We sit there and we talk about like who would ride this and what would be like better for everyone in the long run. And then we like made multiple, multiple, multiple things. And this is what this one is like finally tweaked down to. Yeah. Good. That's great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good job. I'm going to reiterate that Carl and Greg and I and teacher got an email from Corey Sterns. And I had seen that Carl and Greg shared it with you. And Corey is resigned from me. Right? Okay. That's all done. Right? Yep. All right. Everybody saw that letter? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to get a skateboard as soon as you get that shoulder back. I thought that's how you did it. That's what happens. We don't have a park and you got to jump off. I'm poor Mo. All right. So thank you again. We'll move on. The next item that we have up this evening is we had a water abatement request. Everybody get the memo? Yes. How in the past, in the past with these abatements, what do we do at this level? So you're acting as a water commissioner right now? Yeah. You have the authority or abatement as we choose to. Threes has put together a small little memo here to explain the request. Discuss it. So at this level it's just moving it forward or not? It's approving it. Yeah. Yeah. Basically, she's, you know, they're acting as our administrator for who's water. Okay. So we just have to decide whether this makes sense. Do we need any kind of documentation about the, they can see from November of 2016? And does it need to be? I think you sent me an email. He sent me the whole, the history of the property. Oh, okay. And when it was there last, when his mother was there. So we have, he's in California so we've exchanged a few emails about it. And about who was there when. And so, you know, so it's Ben Bacon and he was not aware, was never informed that there was a vacancy rate. And so I'm, yeah, I, we weren't here. So I'm applying to say let's invade it. And he's paying that from right along. And so he's still going to owe us some money. You just need to make an adjustment. Yeah. The question is, you know, the vacancy rate and wasn't given it or not even informed that there was one. You know, it's, it's. But I guess. Is he, is he, is he delinquent on these? He is. Yep. But he's been making payments and he just, I see. When he went back, I had reached out to him and found him as I was in California and we exchanged a couple of emails. And then when we went back over it, he was, you know, he was the one who said, well, hey, I haven't even been there. This is when I was going to bacon. This is the conversations basically that I've had with the past in the office and where I've gotten. And he said, so, and he just had never been told, even though the building was vacant that there was an option for a break. So it's a combination. One is that he's not, he's not asking to abate a bill that he can't pay. He's asking, he's asking for abatement on what is basically overcharges. Basically, I have a difference between what the rate would have been had it been turned on to vacancy as the character was. So that's all he's asking for abatement. It's the difference. So it actually sort of, I mean, besides answering this question, what Paul brought up in terms of, and I think may have brought it up earlier. In our other discussion is when is a part of property considered to be vacant? And how do we know? Is there something in the ordinance that says that a residence when vacant should be, is there a form or should there be? We should have some sort of notification. How would we know? How does the town know that he's vacated the property and gone to California? I think it's called or emailed or spoke to someone which we have seen that where someone is called and then their rate hasn't been changed. So we've been down that road before already. But there currently is no mechanism. No, there's currently nothing. I guess what I'm getting at is that Shuri's been vacant. He didn't let us know. We charged him a full rate. We could have charged him for less if we'd known. So who's responsible? I'm not, I'm just playing devil. I'm just whose responsibility is it that he was overcharged? Well, I think it's interesting that you have vacancy right here. You know, it's just interesting because since, you know, you may have a vacancy rate, but if we can't necessarily shut the water off, then it really is just a big honor system. And I totally think that there should be a mechanism and it should be the onus, should be on the user. So moving forward, yeah. However, if the users did not realize because they were never told that there was a rate, a vacancy rate and that's coming out now because things are more transparent. You know, that's a little difficult, but I do agree and I think that's why putting it on a CCR and letting people know what the rates are is a separate option, but I think it should be on that. It should be their responsibility to tell us when it's vacant. So maybe part of that, when the rates are, every year when the rates go out, there should be part of that document should be describing the process for people. We do a survey every year, but it's only for multi-families and commercial problems, not for residential problems. Is there something in the water ordinance that says that in order to qualify for vacancy, you have to have it vacant for six months a year? Because to Carl's point, maybe that's something that we need to look at amending the policy because when I saw this, the same road as Carl was kind of looking at going, you know, it should be the homeowner's responsibility to say that it's vacant, right? But they didn't. We've charged them the full amount now, a period of time later they come back to say, jeez, I didn't know that. We also just found out that there was an actual vacancy. But then we also have people on the other hand that are on vacancy rate that start using their water and don't let us know that. So, you know, at what point in this process should we not be notified? Well then, but the main issue is that, you know, anybody knows if they can vacancy rate. So he wouldn't even have come to the town at all because he didn't know it in the first place. It wasn't like he knew and just didn't do it. Right. He never even knew that it was there. I think that's the issue that we're talking about. How do we get that out? I agree. I like the way that you're thinking. That makes more sense. I think that if there is vacancy rate, then in fact it should have to be vacant for a period of time, three months or a quarter, because it's based on quarters. Yeah, I think that makes sense. And you have to give the town a certain period of heads up. The owner needs to file that. You know, but it's got to be completely on the owner of the building. And, you know, I mean, I'm kind of torn between this one because it's new. Yeah. If you, you know... Then what are we going to turn the water off and then turn it back on? I mean, who's to say that you have someone that rents by the month and you have a vacancy for two months and then they have a renter for two or three months and they have a vacancy? I mean, how are we going to go back and forth and give them vacancies? I don't think a renter vacancy is the same as a person not living in their house. Right. Yeah, but this guy here, he bought this house in San Juan just to rent it out. If I remember right. I'm not sure. He bought two houses in... He did. He bought this one and the one on the corner. One is a rental. And the other one, I think he lived in. Because I thought he was trying to rent both of them. So you're right. You hit on it. The way we do this is that if it's a vacancy, if they're on vacancy, we shut the water off. Exactly. Unless it's a multifamily that's a bigger issue. But... Yeah, but wait. I mean, we got to define the vacancy because where does this... I mean, if I have a house in Bethel that I only stay here for two months of the year and I live in Florida, am I vacant for ten months of the year? Yes, you are. But is that fair at that point? It wasn't fair before because you were only being charged $25. But if you're covering fixed costs, then it could be fair. Because what are your options? Your options are at least you're collecting a vacancy rate because if you shut them off, you're collecting nothing. So I think that if they have a shutoff, that's a whole other topic. So I think that, you know, the vacancy rate makes sense as long as the vacancy rate is enough. $25 was... Right. Didn't cover anything. No. So... But we are charging him based on our $25. It would have to be based on... Because we've had to do it in the past. And since... You know, obviously it's my recommendation that you're basically abating the difference between what was... Between full rate and then the actual vacancy rate. And do it now so we can change our vacancy rate. Exactly. Well, so... In terms of this motion, I'd make a motion that we... That we grant the abatement request as laid out by Therese... So we have a second? All in favor? Aye. Aye. Well, it's sustained, but... It's got it. But I think it brings up a... A talking point of... What do we need to do with the policy to make it... Easier to enforce this vacancy rate or not? Well, we definitely need to work on the ordinance itself. Your water ordinance needs to be resonic. We could do it in the short time as we could draft an amendment to your existing ordinance. But definitely Greg and Tim and I were talking about redoing the water ordinance. And in general, we have one that is fairly new, not ours personally, but we have access to an ordinance that's fairly new so we could certainly... Do we have like a yearly... I personally have never seen one, but do we have a yearly homestead questionnaire that goes over... I mean, do we have anything like that? No, we do a survey for commercial cows. Multi-fax, that's it. Nothing for the regular residential. Well, I'm just wondering how... Or should we come July 1 when we put the new proposed rates and maybe we could look at an amendment to the policy by that time? But maybe put an informational pamphlet in with those proposed rate increases. Did you know that you qualify for vacancy if you meet XYZ? And because I need to keep going back and if someone finds out a year and a half later that they could have been paying vacancy, at what point is... I mean, it's not fair to them, but it's also not fair to Tim. Now that we're counting on that... What I've done in the past is we did what was called availability search. What we did was you stay six months out of the year. For the wintertime you leave, you call the town and say, I want to be on availability to serve. It's the same concept. We go out and we shut your water off. So that helps us because we know that if you have a leak or a break or something in the winter, it's not leaking into your house. So we shut your water off. While you're gone, you pay the availability to serve, which would be the fee we're talking now. When they come back to town, they call up and say, well, back. We come back out. We charge them $10, $15 or whatever to go out and turn the water back on and then build it back on the normal rate. That was perfect. There's nothing wrong with that at all except the multi-family homes where there's four or five units in one house. You can't shut those people off. But we get that through the service. So and as they change, we're hopefully updated on those. It's kind of an honesty system because we do the surveys once a year and that's what we base on a million from the year. So we kind of have that covered. For the residential homes, if we could locate all the curb stops, which if we could locate it. The concept of shutting their water off, that puts them on vacancy and then we just turn it back on whatever they want to not be on vacancy. And in turn, and additionally, I think we get the word out a little more that you can be on vacancy, but you're not going to have water. Right. Because if you're going forward from learning to see the system needs water, then... Yeah. If you eliminate the shut off and reboot and just charge the vacancy rate, you're still getting, the town is still getting the basic covering charges and you don't have to have the additional burden of finding the curb stop and turning it on and off. And the resident would know that they can get a better rate if they report that they're not going to be here for six months. Right. I mean, obviously, you know, it's a double-edged sword, isn't it? Because you don't really want people on vacancy. Right. They want everybody a handful of boats. Yeah. But if you offer it, I mean, if you offer it, if you offer it, they will come. Yeah, thank you. To Greg's point, if you accompany the vacancy rate with an actual shut off, the water for that period of time, you probably will deter a majority of people from taking the vacancy rate because they're not going to want... You know, I know, there's people out there that probably want to defraud the system. But... Right. So they may at that point just say, hey, it's worth paying my bill to make sure that I have water going to the house at all times in case I need it. And having the water shut off. Especially when it's only 70%, it's not like a huge savings. Right. Well, at least right now. No. I know. Right now, it's a deal. I mean, I'm taking vacancy tonight until, like, first, if you could make that. Well, unfortunately, it saves a lot of people with lunch freeze and that, too. So we're shutting it down. Great. Well, it actually may be detrimental to the property, too, to shut off the water. If the heating system requires... What do they need to stay on? If it's a boiler system. Well, that's what we're saying. You don't have to stay on. It's going to be an incentive for them to not... Because they're still using water. Right. They're still using water. Because right now, the way you have three or four places I take care of and the water is on during the winter, although there's nobody there, but we still go in and drain the hot water tank and all the preparation things you do to stop freezing, you know, chance of freezing pipes. Because currently, if there are a vacancy rate, it doesn't mean that the water's necessarily shut off. It just means that it's an honesty system saying that they're not there. So they could be taking a vacancy and they could be using water to heat their home. Exactly. Right? So... You're asking for a house with talent to figure out whether or not both apartments are full is one vacancy. I'll tell you what I mean. It gets crazy. It's like Riverside's got five or six apartments. We were just talking about, Caroline, when you stepped off that, you know, if we could get it together for July 1st when we put the new proposed rates forward for next year is to include the second informational sheet, you know, basically saying you qualify for vacancy if you meet this criteria. Yeah. And like Greg had added, maybe we should add to... Our ordinance that if we are going to do vacancy, vacancy requires the town to come out. Shut the water off. Shut the water off. It will come with a one-time fee to either shut off or turn back on. Right? 25 bucks. That way you don't have to. There's nothing to And then when you want to come off vacancy, we come out, turn the water back on and you're good to go. You're back to full. I guess it's fair for everybody at that point, right? Absolutely. And the timetable doesn't matter because you're not qualifying based on anything. Yeah. It's your choice. Either you want your water or you're done. Now, as long as we can find curb stops, we have been working on it a little bit. That's good. We're trying. That's a second bridge. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So we could, we could, we could work on something like that. I can, I have an amendment here. Yeah. Right. You do need to do the entire work. You're talking two or three percent of the, it's 28 accounts. 22. 22. Oh, take it. 10 percent. We're almost 10 percent. That's a fair amount. Yeah. Yeah. Are you comfortable with some sort of a reconnection fee? Mm-hmm. I think if there are time you go out there and put your money back and turn them down to 25. But does that fee, just like the other ones, does that 25 dollars actually cover our cost to have some go out and turn it off and turn it on. And we probably want to just look at that and make sure that's fair. Yeah. It's set by statute. So, You know, it's not, it doesn't cover it but it that, that fee is set by statute. If we're already located the curb stop and they're functioning it shouldn't take long to turn it off. Well, I think by Just better than nothing. Mm-hmm. And I would think by think by having a qualification sheet for this for vacancy you're probably you're gonna see that that percentage of vacancy is gonna drop and that's right yeah right and I think that's where we want to be that I mean it to me if I if it's vacant and the place is empty it shouldn't be water now if you need to run hate that unfortunately yeah yeah it's gonna be worth it for many people to pay that extra I mean at this point at that rate vacancy rate that we're talking rent to place yeah it's gonna be worth having some income to pay for the extra cost of having water and sort of well and the majority of our vacancies are multi-fans so we're gonna pick that up through our server but they're not single-family homes it's a lot of just I've got a fight you know some three written that was the other thing Carlos that then it becomes if you do have a multiple family dwelling you know and if you're not using one piece of that how do you shut that off right but but but the survey yeah maybe we need to look at doing it more often I think that's really that I think it's a material I mean I think we're talking about vacancy to a dwelling where it's a hookup vacancy is what it is and if you've got an apartment that's empty you're not gonna get a vacancy rate from the town you know that's just that isn't how else are we gonna do that now with the new numbers you're right yeah I mean I can see as a you know a business owner if you were remodeling your building for a period of long period of time see a six months or a year you'd want to have your water you know temporarily but if you have you know five apartments in one building and four of them are rented ones not that's just the right now right now as soon as we change this that you're right it's gonna reverse but right now like I said the majority of those 22 that's what it is because it's 25 dollars right yes so you're right so yeah okay so we it's realistically to say between now and July 1st then we could put together an amendment to our water policy to clarify the vacancy and we could get that information out on the well when did we send the information up first week in June so no he's talking about the information we usually send a card with the bill increases and stuff like that we send it with first we usually we usually send out a with a bill yeah it tells what the new tax rates are gonna be and I think it comes with the first bill did it I thought it no I remember seeing that I remember seeing a wire last year ahead of time because you could put the vacancy you could put all the information in the consumer confidence work because you don't have to publish that anymore you can send in every bill just a link to it on your website so the people can look at that okay and then of course I'm something on the website I remember getting something last year I don't think you know the water bill or I think it came with the bill that's what we think we're all we're all no I remember making us I'm sorry they couldn't stick with Keith because it was a big jump in the in the rate and I didn't haven't gotten anything in advance to the day missed it that it was supposed that I was coming just all the sudden bang it was there I think it was 18% or something like that so it's exactly what it was it came at the same time as the bill so I think that having it out so prior to the budget the first week and a week first like we're meeting in May then it can go in the May bill along with the consumer confidence report that has to be out by June okay so you can insert into the bill the consumer the link to the consumer confidence report as well as we could put in a little rate sheet that says what the new rates are to be acted first quarter okay yeah make sense so that that bill would be realized by consumers you know water meeting in May I think it's I mean I think it's great that we're having these discussions and you know getting ahead you know especially water and all right in May so what is a vacancy in that there's no shutoffs on 14th so we so for May 14th our deadline to I mean when it comes to the proposed rates I mean at our meeting on the yeah okay are we doing a meeting on Memorial day it's a different discussion did we have it on yeah it's under it's under other business yeah all right so moving on we had the town return to work policy which we discussed at the last meeting and this is the final version with sir separated out Paul's moving away trying to think here no you're not going anywhere stay that looks all pretty straight forward I'll make a motion to authorize the word policy all in favor all right so much nicer now that stays later longer it's harder walking into the building really I'm gonna go I could just get so much more done yeah I like it the morning on the front it's really nice I'm gonna get some good morning sun in the house warm the house right up everyone it's all right so we'll move on we had the information regards to the depot settlement that we had discussed right a couple meetings ago yes so this is just the most yeah if you look on the second document on the first page the 3425 was that I was confused was that 34 was that the number that we had that was what they had come to us that was what the attorney recommended that we settle oh that was some reason I had a number $25,000 less than that 25 something yeah that sound right Paul because I was thinking it was 2000 something that we had talked about or that's what we had sent back to the attorney and I think a lot of that was his recommendations too I don't think that we changed the recommendation of the lawyer and I am actually yeah I'm trying to remember how that I thought that I didn't actually catch on to that because when I saw that 3400 out that sounds high but that was something we discussed in February or something yeah a couple before telling me no should this be actually executive session well I thought it would be too well it was just a final contract doing the authority we're not making decisions about but this question now yeah now we have to go into the session yeah so do we want to okay so as this do we want to go into the session later we probably should to discuss I've got to clarify some of this yeah so then we should yeah we can always come back out and approve it later do you want to move it to the end and then it's probably easiest just one executive session just table for now okay I do have some information all right so we'll table the depots element discussion we will move to an executive session at the end of our meeting are we gonna be making a decision tonight you think when we come out we from that or can't wait so when we come out of executive session we will make a rather than clear everybody out now we'll just do it at the end and I think that might flow better okay so we'll plug that in at the end here so we'll table that for a few minutes so so let's talk about Greg won't you talk about the application for so we this is an application for the passive there who are in our insurance so it's for safety related type things that could save on claims in the future we qualify for 50-50 grand we qualify for $5,000 so there's $10,000 worth of stuff here so if you look on here one of the items is an 8x8 trench box that we want to purchase because we're gonna be putting in two fire hydras every year we do not have a trench box right now and we got water breaks and things like that so it's something that we really need to keep you guys safe just a box you're putting it's a skill box yeah you got it from looking at it was like I think I'm understanding this yeah no yeah it's it's really actually required if we can probably find it based on the day unless you bench you back why so many feet or yeah this guy's can get fired and then the PPE and the traffic control that's for the highway department that's things like a bunch of safety cones like there's 25 cones in there there's some safety vests there's some logging helmets I think a couple rain suits that are that are type 3 reflectivity rain suits that are inside of that so the PPE was for fire department no the PPE now the fire department's gonna have to wait till the next series because they came in is way too high was over our threshold so the PPE and the traffic control for the part of our way and the trench boxes for the town basically so just asking that you that you give your if you're okay with this and give me the authority to sign off on this we'll apply for it the money we put $4,000 in the budget next year in a water and water budget to cover the half for the trench box and the the other for the the highway department will already be in budget next year's budget is just supplies and things like that yeah we also have to authorize Chris to sign the applicant signature must be you yeah it is the senior minister that's what I need to kind of stuff well there's two one of the applicant signature which is you right in here and then this then yeah that's why his name is in here so yeah so I make a motion that we do both to authorize Greg to sign this application and authorize Chris to sign on the behalf of the board favor yeah probably the next cycle we're gonna do this one through the counter here so the next cycle will be the public getting the fire department has something sort of bad the average entry bad or something like that and moving on we have East Central Vermont telecommunication board appointments I take it these are annual appointments that we do and we know that Matt Washburn and Ian Stewart there they're both they're both want to continue to serve I suspect they do because this is a document that came from the organization so I'm assuming that we'd also authorize Chris to sign on behalf of this like Ford get much emotional authorized Chris to sign on all in favor and next on the list we had our main street parking discussion which is this table from two meetings ago we talked about at this point just kind of getting the discussion going on what is our current inventory of parking in the downtown versus probably going to be the wants of the business owners in the downtown just to start that discussion on how close are we to meeting the needs and what I and then we'll move from there going forward on you know what our strategy going forward will be to meet those needs if we don't have that currently so everybody got a parking survey yep and I'm sorry I apparently forgot to put in my own numbers yeah it was one of those like oh I have time to do that I'll just think about it later but I can send around an updated one with those but yes basically this was as far as I could get with who was available and actually accessible and some of them you know I included every every business they had their own parking just to sort of see if they're maxing out their parking and you know and if they anticipated needing additional in the future more than what they have so obviously there's still there's still a good amount left to do on this which I'll keep kind of adding numbers to so a majority from looking at this quickly a majority of the parking is is you know hour to hour during the daytime parking looks like there's only nine overnight parking you ever take you know one or two or whatever it might be yeah and Kevin anticipated that he might have if he if he made any of the blossom block residential which he's not planning to right now but that that would even only be one or two more you know tenant spots so that wouldn't change significantly so so when we when we're talking I just want to go through this maybe this quickly so when we're talking the current parking usage low versus high that's that's based on what we have based on who answered we don't need to have what they think they need currently today right yeah not in the future that's what and I asked them to just do a snapshot any given snapshot in the day of what would be your low yeah and what would be your high and and it wasn't actually until I talked to Jim at Cockadoodle that he gave me his peak hours and I realized that probably be good to know if they're you know like Champlain Farms probably has a spot of traffic in the morning and then it lulls you know and so to kind of know what that ebb and flow would look like it might be helpful but I didn't I didn't ask that at the time so if I can go you know as I go forward I'll ask those things then you've got Mascoma they've got what eight or so many spots that they've got five customers and five employees okay so ten right and this incorporates employees so that was a big part of it I and I almost broke that out because it was enough of a discussion with each business owner of what's your employee usage versus you know if your retail the the come and go and so the employee numbers are incorporated into this so you know so like for Cockadoodle they typically have four to six employees and so he was saying even at his lowest times they'll probably still have one or two customers but they're going to have the four to six employees no matter what their customer base looks like yeah from reading this it looks like we're going to average about a hundred spots right and average yeah yeah I think there's going to be a significant the credit union they've got three employees that use the time lock and then they've got but they also have the rental of the tenants that live in the two apartments that can't park there during the day so they're parking in the lot here or around the street because they can't use the credit union lot I think like during the day but then they were saying is it kind of be nice to put a flow chart together you know because of Cockadoodle's you know peak is 30 but their people might be from the hours of five to eight you know where the other businesses between five and eight now are you know reducing their volumes you know it'd be interesting to see how that flows together because that parking might be an average of you know if you take it over the course of the day it might be an average of 30 spots you know noon time well you come through there at noon time you really get a good cross-section of how bad it could be with everybody open at the same time and cockadoodle and full right launch mode yeah is that I mean if we got some sort of flow chart of you know kind of just like we do a traffic you know traffic counts you know if we could get like some peak time information is that something that maybe like the BRI would be interested in putting together a mini study of you know what like yeah 8 to 9 o'clock in the morning noon to 1 and 5 to 6 or something what that kind of looks like and yeah I mean my my gut feeling on it is the answer from them is probably gonna be no mainly mainly because their their mode is really about doing things and less about studying what's happening you know it's getting out and being visible and in interacting with the community in that way but that's just my you know that's my gut feeling and I have no idea could could be presented to them what's the status with the energy the energy committee enter that person gonna be studying something about I don't know if that person is even coming at this point I know they were looking for some additional funding I think because they got like $1000 so I think that was kind of put on the back burner until they could secure some funding for it but you know wouldn't be that hard for some somebody to take some samples of during those periods of time just to be able to go down here and while there's only three parking spaces available right now at 9 o'clock in the morning or something right or at 2 o'clock in the afternoon there's 20 available you know just to kind of see where that where our issues are and what that overlap is and then we can really see what at that point how we will leave you know do we buy a place to put a parking lot to make like the part store probably is pretty steady flow of traffic all day long with their four where they got five parking spaces up front and like you say though companies are I mean sampling farms is probably got an ebb and flow with people going to work or to get off that like 6 30 to 8 30 choose a pretty packed in there under those two hours and then after that it kind of you know the flow is a little easier but that early it's interesting though we think of it and of course it really is beneficial to all of those businesses to have parking spaces close by but in fact matter of fact of this parking lot right here is an easy access it certainly for restaurant to be able to park here walk to the same shop or the pizza place obviously if you're going to run in and get an oil filter you're not going to park here and walk down to the part store but same thing with the hardware but if you get some kind of an overlap you know it wouldn't be that hard to add to your excel you could you could actually have your time frame columns that you could highlight in color for each business that showed the peak times and then looking down the page that you'd be able to have visual overlap right yeah of course we also have to future project you know when these buildings are at 100% what that you know what the percentage might be because it will shut it'll if you have a sense of your overlaps then these numbers will have a flow I mean you might have ten from one business and five from another if they don't actually coincide with time then you don't actually have an issue in terms of it's not 15 but I mean if you look at it snapshot in time right now you know probably the worst part of the day is definitely that you know I want to say four to seven or something like that you know everything kind of bottle next downtown there's cars on both sides of the street and that's only you know I mean figuring that the buildings are any I don't know what 50% operational you know maybe at the most so when those other buildings get at 100% you know you get dance classes and you have other you know salons and stuff going on yeah so I yeah I don't like your idea of doing the almost like the snapshot by time of day and I think for at least to start just to sort of inform us you know it's easy enough for me just periodically to just kind of take a poll of what I'm seeing record the time of day and the number of spots that are available and just you know just start compiling it'll take a little bit of time so I'm not going to do it you know every hour on the hour but yeah I'm happy to just keep a little log going and kind of compile that over the next month or so because I know the parking space and nobody ever wants to park yeah because you know the idea is for us to get out in front of you know the revitalization of the downtown so you know once these you know really do and I know it's a little difficult to figure out what we have now and then what percent it's going to increase by when at which times when buildings are a hundred percent but we want to get out in front of that because if we know that you know bottleneck times we're going to need this many spots and we really need to figure out not only how can we make more spots but what makes sense for you know where do employees should park where do overnighters park and you know and then we get to figure out the whole thing when it snows and you know all that stuff too you got safety issues to look at too because if you try pulling up out go to cockadoodle and try pulling up out of that depot parking lot you got vehicles on both sides you got to pull half way out before you also talked about somebody stop I mean I was in my truck with a plow on it they were thought they were being generous to stop to let me come up through and there was no room for me I was like oh I can't go man I'm gonna rake somebody's pretty funny because you know the whole idea is for us to get out in front of this animal you know because obviously we want to see all the buildings busy and of course we don't want to be here and a year or two years from now and say wow you know buildings are so busy and there's cars parked up down you know North Main Street and you know you know we want to be able to hopefully at that point have a good idea of where we can pick these spots up or we're gonna do right any spots you're going to lose by these bump out none none no no those are the safety you know right now we have the angle landing at the end of the part yeah there's cross hatching already there and not to convolut the issue but we have also talked about you know maybe reducing the speed of the downtown you know to help out with some of that too we've talked about I mean I don't know I fit I mean it could be pretty cumbersome for one person to do as an undertaker I just didn't know if there was you know a group of building owners that would like to get together and do it as their own little thing or you know I don't know I mean do we hire somebody to come in and do traffic or park and count or you know I'm assuming that you can get you know when it comes to the design phase of parking I'm sure there's grant money involved we're gonna I think there's no point in doing the work twice I mean that's the reality is it this baseline that you're providing now is kind of a casual eye opening and it's a good place to jump off but I think if you get it a little bit more filled out so we can say well we're clearly overrunning or I mean intuitively we all can see that there's challenges but right it's I don't think it's long before we have to start looking at what the great opportunities are getting a real planner involved and I mean I know that Greg's gonna be able to bring a lot to that as well but we're clearly gonna need to some funding so having having some valid measurement technique will be important and just this is more anecdotal than anything but every single business owner that I talked to was really happy that we're addressing that we're thinking about it that you know the town is thinking about it that we're actively talking about it and I think it became clear to me that this was almost even more of a good faith measure that I was doing that what I'm doing is you know yeah it's not a study it's not you know it's not super accurate but it was kind of getting out there and saying like hey we're we're thinking about this we want your input and I think having that sort of back and forth was beneficial and will continue to be you know in whatever form it comes in but everyone I talked to is like wow it's great this is great this is what we need you know good for you guys for doing this now so yeah so as a board where will we like to I mean I want to keep the process moving and not not stall at all so you know we have a little bit of parking information currently and I'll continue filling this out just where would we like to see things go you know do we want to dig a little deeper into the parking study do we want to have you know Greg and Teresa start looking for grant opportunities well I think that was one of the reasons why the energy committee was looking at at least in part some of this discussion because they're talking about ways to develop pedestrian access to downtown or non non personal vehicle access to the down well this is probably like tap on something like that transportation alternative funds yeah stuff like that well I was just wondering is this an opportunity for an undertaking of the energy committee to well that was to do with parking so they were applying for you know could they undertake the matching with some guidelines it's just that Greg Gray was saying it doesn't sound like that I mean weren't we they were they were accessing grant funds for this sort of it was the upper valley project and so for the internet just for I mean it was a study that prepared us for the larger we gave money towards the what $7,000 we can do I think so it's application for the grant that they were putting out and then they had maps of the areas that they were looking to concentrate on through up through town well I don't want to tell you the energy committee yeah because I think it would fit you know hand and glove because while it clearly would be focusing on energy infrastructure community infrastructure if we're addressing the energy issues at the same time we're talking about efficiency and acts personal access to the business district and there might be an overlapping grants that would be well the energy committee more attractive because we're taking effort putting effort into the energy and the energy committee was also looking at doing a charging station charging stations as well came I don't know if it came with the grant but that was something they were looking at doing with some of the grant money I know that they got a little bit derailed prior to town meeting so there was we haven't heard much so would we do you should we have the representatives to the energy committee come in to the next slip one meeting or at least I don't know if you want to do that one more night see how this might fit into what that right right can we start there just kind of see what kind of feedback have you had any luck with the layout of parking lot here yeah it's not we're not I'm gonna I did some design on the parking lot and some measurements to see if we can pick up some stalls and there's no way that we can do that must we move them all to the center because the curb length for a perpendicular pull in is much shorter than any sort of angle at all so there's no way to pick up stalls and we could have been shoved into the middle and angled everything out we might be able to but I don't think it's gonna be worth our time I think it's pretty well maxed out the way it is right now then on the road away I did do some measurements down here in front of the wall I measured a little bit and again even if you go with a pretty narrow angle which is about 30 degrees 60 is better but 30 degrees it's the length is still too short yeah what I did is I went from the center line to so well I gave ourselves a five foot sidewalk basically so I'm back at sidewalk out five foot so we had sidewalk and then from there to the center line is what I measured and we were still about five foot too short even a narrow even had a real narrow so we would have to take the sidewalk out move the landscaping but the sidewalk there but what if it did what would what would we're gaining two or three it's 260 feet 250 feet and currently for for a 30 degree parking we're looking at 18 feet per stall so whatever that math is 260 18 and 260 12 12 12 that's what you would pick up and we've got a five now four or five those falls that are parallel like that we haven't striped that way because we don't want to lose any space typically it's a 20 foot yeah that's a nice that's a nice bomb it would have been a nice bomb yeah if we had done well they actually could have picked up more even at 45 degree parking it's 12 and a half foot currently so you pick up more spots would have been a lot but that link they've got to be 19 foot got a 19 foot to the to the back of the line and then you've got your lane length of 12 feet so 19 feet we only had we had five we had 12 and 10 so we were would have been close so great so you're talking the length in front of the wall right yeah the length in front of the wall would be a total of 13 parking spots well these are rough so so currently if we look at I'm just thinking a lot but currently take the parking spots that are in front of the wall and the parking spots that are in front of building across the street how many parking spots are we talking well let's just assume the link so the link is of the parking lot up here is 260 feet and there's some unusable space there so it's so there's 12 foot drive on the other side of my mask and there's some areas on the ends of the walls that you can't use because the site is a building so let's just throw numbers out there and say that we've got 200 feet 210 don't like that the curb line curb length of a so the curb part if we went to 45 degree angle we're looking at 12 and a half feet per stall and we've got two let's say 240 so is that 20 spots you could get 20 spots on one side on one side of the street but how many do we have on both sides of the street currently currently we've got 10 on both side counting both sides no we've got actually less than that because we've got five on this side that side we've only we've got less because we've got that that bend and that that blind spot what if you um i'm just thinking that the problem is is what if you shifted it and had the parking all on one side so if you had all the parking on the wall side and you shut the parking off in front of the opposite shift so you go from nine to 20 yeah so if you have nine there you if we went to all 45 degree parking on this side shut down the parking on that side because we need five feet right so we were gained we gained like eight feet right yeah telephone poles yeah it's eight feet so and you shift and you let you we'd have to have it restrike you shift the downtown coming in you know you lose some spots on that side but overall you come out what the only thing that we have is that radius on the coming down this coming down the bridge around the corner make sure it's not too tight to get around i'm just thinking like semi is two coming there's a lane shift there but you're still going to have you said you needed five feet parking spot on that opposite side it's got to be what eight feet what it's eight feet yeah right right now so you're going to get your five feet that you need to make your parking you could still put a a three foot you know buffer you know it's a no parking area but you have a three foot section that's a buffer between the sidewalk and the fog line i guess right you're looking at something that's kind of like brand off the angle yeah so you're going to go in but on the opposite side we have no parking yeah on that side we could bring the fog line three foot off the sidewalk yeah curb line it makes it because the only thing i'm concerned about is that that turn coming down it's called radius but that when you're coming off the bridge you don't want to be too steep because you can't make it into that you got this line of cars that flow out right right so you want to so what if we could come three foot off the curb might be able to make that radius work and then shift but the lens going to go like that is that something that to where there's getting help as well there well i think that there's some resources there i don't know what i don't know there's funding out because we would pick up you know we'd pick up 50 percent more parking right but you still have two tractor trailers coming down through there at the same time are gonna you're not making the road any wider now let's say it's still hit 24 feet so you still got that and then you got vehicles that are backing in the traffic backing in and pulling out with somebody coming down around that corner well it was an interesting concept it's a concept with the design so you don't if you're backing out you don't back into it you don't cross the yellow line backing out with a 45 degree angle it's it's it's shallow enough if you will that you almost make a straight back out you don't have that's the thing with Randolph if you've got a big truck yeah park next to you and i'm and i'm trying to back out i don't have a chance to go out in the lane and right and these are minimums here you're right so if you've got a dually with a hitch on the back or something it's sticking out and driving yeah well not even dually but but just a you know a longer a longer vehicle right sure yeah there is definitely that that problem yeah but it would be it'd be neat because you know something like that um isn't going to take a lot of money to you know it's no different than us you know having some streetscape stuff in the downtown that's temporary right we could we could do a get some information from two rivers to see if that's going to work you could pay which i can't think would be a lot of money to to redesign you know oh no i'm sorry about taking half this part of the sidewalk right oh you have to take the sidewalk yeah yeah yeah so there's yeah because we so you would have somebody involved in that then and that sidewalk is there's a lot of aesthetic appeal to that wide sidewalk that we're right there whether it gets used or not it's still i know it's been a um and we've already got cramp money paid for the beautification of that sidewalk that was part of our well it's a good option anyways i mean we can look at yeah i mean definitely if we went anglain you pick up a ton stalls that's we know that it's just doesn't actually work is that's the amount of room that we have right i mean it's already you're already basically minimum out there with the Wayne lane that's i mean you could go to 10 but they're i think they're at 12 i think they're at 12 i don't remember what i'm at it says yeah no they're 10 they're at 10 does it say 20 center line two no they're 12 yeah they're 12 the lane width itself is 12 and there's eight foot of parking area so it's yeah 20 foot to the current length it's supposed to be said it's supposed to be it's supposed to be i measure this yeah i've seen people get on taking my fall off just take it off in front of yeah i've seen that a few times yeah usually usually whoever parks right on the bank side gets them i guess take it right off yeah but you can come down take three or four and run off so for the next meeting um so the next meeting greg you'll be able to come back to us with um where might the energy committee stand on helping us yeah um either doing the undertaking on on this parking spot study um as well as um maybe just therese looking into doing some grant search on what some potential grants are out there and two rivers see what kind of downtown planning opportunities yeah because they can land because they're like engineers well there are there you know there's transportation alternative grants there's um community development block grants there's there's stuff out there because we might be able to get a grant funded to have engineer come in and do a study right i mean yeah it's like water you know taking the sidewalk not going to be a big deal it's the curve that needs to be replaced i mean there's a sidewalks already it's already got a um control joint at five feet so i think those yeah that's good i mean well it's all it's all good sure there's a solution in there somewhere i tried to make something work on the park and not just to pick up stalls and i couldn't find any design that would do any better than just straight ahead because it's just eight to the white there was an earlier design and i don't know a whole lot about this but with this park a lot of having a second level to it yeah is that literally at a different height yeah cutting into the hillside here cutting into the bank and is that just is there a reason that's not being brought up or it's got to be pretty expensive and our property line the property line doesn't go that far back but it'd be a heck of a cut bank right i mean just the wall alone to put in there would be right you know hundreds of thousands of dollars i would think to yeah i don't know whether that angle of this parking lot could be ameliorated you could level out and end up with two step like parking lots in there it'd be a lot of fill in cutting and filling um you get the retaining wall probably because you got the name that would be the base of the wall front i think it's legendary so it's not necessarily the smartest choice it's probably the worst case scenario only if we have for the money you wouldn't gain it would be very costly for a few profits yeah yeah true so uh perfect discussion for tonight so greg will come back to us the next one we can get energy committee and what we can possibly do with some grant money and that we can use that to work yep perfect and we are on to greg's report um so i'm working on the highway ordinance we talked about the last meeting uh i'm looking at rewriting the ordinance so that we can incorporate some of those information we talked about today and the biggest part of that is going to be the parking for this parking lot here um i'm looking at a do an actual parking permit and getting stickers for everybody so they know where to park and um and i'll bring that back to you the ideas that we would have everybody park during the winter the overnight parking will only be allowed on the top side and we'd buy a parking lot so that way the bottom is clear so we can get in and do our snow plowing and the other idea that go along with that is that we would do a like a little blue light or light of some kind out here that alan once he's done the bottom he flicks that on and then people that lived living there would know hey i'm gonna move the car slide it back down to the other side and get back in it do the top side that's what we're kind of working so um still waiting to reach still waiting to hear back from all the business owners kevin was going to get with everybody and talk about yeah you know well he's he's been out of town okay trying to set up a little meeting so we could all sit down and talk about kind of what you're doing as far as what do you need for parking and how do you need this to work right as far as timing so i think we're kind of moving down that road already yeah so um but looking at the actual ordinance and into the permit uh i've actually drafted a permit that i'll get to you eventually if this grows any likes to it and for your approval um working on the conflict of interest policy so that's the next policy that will be more than i'm working on kind of keep this ball roll a little bit we should have that to you in may to take a initial look at so we don't have a conflict of interest we not a full loan policy that i can find we we reference it we have a we reference it in personnel ties that and no personnel not a real detailed full loan deal so um you should see that in a month of may for your review uh let's see the water master plan is moving forward i reviewed it it's about probably 30 to 40 complete um i'm going to be meeting with this well our engineers and the state has been invited to the meeting on the 27th of april to go over the initial 30 complete uh report uh doesn't sound like the state's going to show up but the initial report looks very promising uh i don't know if i believe it only yet but i'm not sure if the state's you know they have final review on this so um but if they are okay and they approve what i've seen so far it's going to be really really positive so anyway that'll happen on i think that's friday the 27th uh we need to talk through that um what else do we have going on town hall painting town hall painting yes so um i have a contract with a painter out of randolph who have done other their experiences on historic buildings on colleges um so i got over qualifications and got all the information that the state need and i have sent all that to the state we got historic dollars to do this which you all know so the state has to look at it to and look at my contractor to make sure that they need all their requirements that's where it's at right now you gotta keep the phone ringing to keep air underneath that well there's another piece to this it's that i'm worried about i'm always worried um the state has asked me whether or not we put it out to a formal bid and we did not i think what happened was keith got a list of potential contractors from somebody the state or somebody that were qualified and he sent two or three or four five i don't know sent a few to them um so i i sent the uh the ad that we put well the ad that we sent to these companies he printed up an ad or you know put an ad together and he sent it to each one of these companies i sent that to the state and told them what what went down and i'm hoping that they say okay you're good with that if not it's not the end of the world but if not i'll have to go through an actual formal bid process yeah and then just expedite that whole thing and try to get it moving quickly because they're the contractor that i've chosen because i thought i could sole source um they're ready to roll in july they've already they've already got everything rented they're ready to go so as long as the state says that the letter is a formal bid process and they're okay with that and they okay my contractor we're good to go if not i'm going to be rushing to put it out to them i mean if i remember right with keith it was um he had contacted numerous painting outfits and it was at that time it was only one that was willing to even quote it yeah if i remember right and their quote came in and it was very hot right right um i i know he had touched i mean i don't know if it's not a formal bid process but i know he had solicited bids from numerous painting companies but there was only one that thought that that they had the availability or the expertise to do it um and then they came in and they were i don't know two and a half times higher than you thought they should have been but so i don't know if we have to go through the bid process it might just delay us just a little bit but yeah yeah so as soon as i hear i'll make another call um back to the state again to find out where we're out of it it's just this is state historic preservation right yes keep calling calling yeah so i would do that and uh because they probably have to go through national or federal as well yeah they've got this department of interior that we have to deal with yeah we had the similar issue with the with the um rec center because we have um park funding for the for the rec center and so when we wanted to get access just for the for the logging access it had to go to the state and then it had to go to national park service for review and so and it's just a matter of keeping air under that document because otherwise it gets right right well i'll follow up again and hopefully i come back with good news yeah if not it's not the end of the world i just have to go through a bid process and most likely the same people will win and because it's very it's a very specialized project you have to meet certain um qualifications and that's why somebody bid up to begin with so i'm hoping that but i'm hoping that calling people and and sending them a letter and all that counts is a formal bid so um that's all i've got if there's any questions can you just take me through the uh interlocal agreement update so we got the amendment back and i reached out to the royal team to ask if they wanted to meet for a joint board meeting to talk over the you know the amendment they told me that they didn't need a joint board meeting that they were okay with it the way that it was since then i believe it has gone to the joint board and by joint board i mean the facility board and they are currently reviewing it to find out if it's feasible they're reviewing it from a an operational standpoint to find out whether or not if whether it's feasible or not to do it can they actually physically do it i feel that i i'm not going to bring anything to you you know we'll look at the comments or whatever you have but i'm not i'm not i don't think we're ready to really discuss this until we hear from them whether or not they're comfortable with it and whether or not it's feasible to do um why relative just jumped on it said we're great with it we're fine with it i don't know i know we have a lot of questions well yeah especially on the financial i agree i still think we need to have a joint meeting and i think we probably will eventually kind of waiting on the the facility board to get back with this so what do you think your time frame mo on you guys looking at this we try to check with uh looking into uh what the insurances are going to cost and the cost of more employment and you should get back to us at our next meeting what are you next which is this uh the same week that we have our next one okay but he was charged because i haven't drawn a blank now i know we what were the questions that we hit it was mostly all financially charged well yeah basically the business should there be a business structure of some kind that's part of that part of it yeah i guess part of what we're doing right yeah so i i don't know i think relatives you know crack for the worst a little bit on this uh well our the the other part was whether or not it was was genuinely legally feasible right right well once we get the document completely finished it's going to be sent to the uh to the attorney general for a bottom view yeah we'll definitely do that all right yeah so that's where we're at kind of waiting and still gonna keep pushing for a joint meeting once we get down to the middle of this and mind we have to we're yeah we're partners in this so speaking of Roylton um tomorrow night they're having their board meeting starts at seven o'clock i believe um Green Lantern will be there to discuss the project over there and to address the comments that we had and right sent out the comments from Mr. Julian from Giuliani um so they're going to be there to address those comments they contacted me and said you know make sense to have your board come to that meeting also and uh so we don't do this exercise twice and answer the questions twice again i talked to rose and she said you know i mentioned the joint board meeting thing and she said i don't think we're gonna do that so you're all welcome to go to the meeting there's nothing that says you can't legally be there just on your own accord as long as we're not making decisions or anything like that so um i think it would be wise that you all go if you can i'm gonna go tomorrow night you'll be there but it's going to be an opportunity for us to hear how they're addressing the comments that we have and at least what the comments that the attorney and then later on we're gonna have comments i mentioned you all have some sort of comments that you want to have addressed also i'd like to compile all those up so i can send those out to them also and then they could do maybe do a presentation or a letter or something to us but tomorrow night i think is really important just to be there to hear how they're addressing all the the big legal type stuff so tomorrow at seven o'clock i believe is what that starts right well baseball game i gotta watch it but maybe on the way home there'll be others there too you know as long as we don't talk business and you don't make decisions but i'll be there and i'll be there and i think anybody else can make it well i'll try to write notes out as they can i assume they're gonna be all recorded anyway okay uh that's all i got any other questions i'm good any other applicants on the top crew yes i got three applications um we're gonna do an interviews i did one today we got another on thursday and we schedule the last one cool so good good and then the new position job description still kind of slowly working on that yeah still yeah there's there's a lot of them moving parts of that and every day it seems like if something else comes up and that i want to add that to the lesson right well mowing is going to become a long well i'm going to have to move i'm going to have to move into that quickly at least on a part-time basis we've got some areas that i guess the plow hit that need to be fixed out to the road crew is just going to have to cover that for a while for now we have also have uh to set our date for the may board meeting so we have the 14th and we need to avoid the holiday so right um and the 28th is typically what we end up doing is moving it up um so i'll be thinking about doing the 14th and the 21st for for me that's um good for 21st for all and i will be out on 14 i won't be here but threes is going to cover for me so i'm um i'm teaching in watesfield that week um but i i can get here i just i'll be late so it'll just i'm not sure exactly we usually finish take it out of your pay it's okay yeah it'll hurt but i'll i'll manage yeah no i can't work time can i make it up somewhere else time yeah you can do a traffic study downtown yeah oh boy can i so we'll do the 14th and the 21st normal times so those are their dates for our may board meetings uh look through the select board do we miss something so we usually go through the um constable stuff and yeah it's there yeah take a look at any of the constable information it looked like he was pretty busy on right tickets looked like there was a couple of high-bellying speeders going uh you know in the normal area from the corner down to the school you got one one was it 15 to 30 died or something so i'll tell you this the weather this weekend brought him out yeah i'll tell you going by my place it's been incredible how's the um incredible are the boards all up when i drove by this one i don't know if it was today or yesterday it wasn't working yeah it's working yeah you know i noticed that it works as you approach it from down by the intersection but but then you get within eye shot of it and it's not working it's reading yeah yeah it's almost like a sensor guy yeah it's really further down it's really if you come up there at 40 it'll still be on if you're doing the speed limit it goes off how do you know that because i tried it it's a good way to test the system if you're going faster than the 25 it stays on you're not supposed to see how fast you can go it's not what it's for he was on a skateboard that was before yeah well i just got thinking and you know when i was looking that you know we're getting into nice weather we're gonna see the speeds coming up again maybe it's an opportunity for us to play around the locations of the boards i know we talked about getting we're waving on funding grant money to get possibly get the solar record yeah because he's constantly there's i mean batteries seem like they go out every couple things especially the summer everybody's going i don't know but well yeah but yeah so that's that's why you can see not it is typically it's a battery speed on solar one so the solar panel we talked about yeah so well we know some some grant funding right yeah that hopefully get either a new one with a solar panel or a retrofit with a solar panel on top of it it takes away the mobility part of it because they're more you know those those panels are big and they take some some mounting but it allows it to stay on and it seems like from from this bridge around the corner down to the school right where the state you know town the state borders that that mean that's where the all those they're flying going out and coming in you know it's not a that's a tough stretch always has been people get bored going 25 in a particular climate this surprising how great people speed up coming around the corner of the bridge heading down through you know because tonight wife and i were saying just a lot of people are doing the 130 right there but i've noticed i mean just in the last week i mean the amount of foot traffic on the sidewalks you know traveling back and forth now it's nice out and of course the speeders are out too so but i've seen mark out i mean every time i've been out i see him out about too so yeah just concerning again i mean it goes back to we had talked about we talked about a few times about potentially lowering the speed yeah i think it's a great idea from from kind of like the feed area all the way to the school and bringing that down to 20 i'd like to see it 15 we will be rewriting the the roadway ordinance eventually that's your opportunity at least 15 up to the bridge yeah just through the downtown yeah corridor yeah i mean people are definitely flying so but it's amazing how fast they go through here they got a bunch down on the far end of the flats by the corner by my house the troopers been down there lately yeah he's in the fire station state the stadium yeah yeah they've been getting a lot of them yeah all right uh select board minutes mr poof reader here's a dog how the hell's that well in the down on the the discussion at the bottom of the page um my point was that we we wanted to have a document that also included some kind of financial structure not what the financial manager would do per se but just a business structure as part of the the amendment to the agreement it's the second bullet point it's the second dallas should be a document that spelled out what a financial it's not that would be a structure yeah it's more like the business structure the business structure of the the new entity would be the joint board would be just would be settling on what the financial manager would do okay so we change change the order of the structure yes yes what the financial structure and take out prior to hiring okay okay and then the last paragraph on the backside if you read through that it just doesn't doesn't read which one the last paragraph on the backside talks about carl the cemetery uh commissioner so it both both the health officer and the cemetery commissioner have paperwork in additional paperwork it just seems to be worded awkwardly well both of those positions have you know higher responsibilities for higher remuneration for both positions maybe something like that any other business that come before stage race the bicycle race that goes oh yeah they come through town they have for the last few years they come down and 12 maybe and get north street or go up the hill it's a little piece they're just asking that statement consent to use our roads they're asking if it's okay if they use our road it's like a 200 hill not shutting the road down at all we're just going to be coming through for a couple hours i need more approval of authorized need to sign this consent if you're we've done it years now yeah every year for like remember i'll make a motion that we authorize greg to sign the permission slip for the stage race second okay all in favor all right thank you problem we move we go into collective possession for legal matters so we're holding on to that one this is the one last time yeah all right so we plan on going into executive session quickly to talk about and then we'd be back out to make a decision so all right all right then so i guess that the board i would make a motion that the board authorized greg to sign these agreements the mutual general release agreement and the settlement agreement with the people part of depot the best of depot incorporated second all in favor any other business to come before the board tonight i move we adjourn