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It's great to be here so excited Take-down notice Was it oh that I think that's a compliment because it is it is your edition was so good I'd fool on on the content ID into taking down our I mean really I mean if someone was that good For G pegs or who was it no bio cow said DTNS has upped their offerings so up yours That's an old joke but it still makes me laugh And then Ethan Kane who does our show notes says I promise to do better show notes. That's all I got That's fine. You're doing great. You're good. You're fine. Don't worry about it So he brings bacon is gonna pay extra in bacon awesome. I Think Sarah's vegetarian, but that's okay. I'll eat the bacon Patrick eats bacon you eat bacon, right? Oh, yeah, but mostly in the US although I guess I do eat bacon here sometimes But this is one of my my great joys When I travel to the US it's hotel buffet breakfast with lots of delicious crispy bacon Yes, of course, what do you mean really do you not enjoy the bacon from hotel breakfast? All right, that's the best Well might not be the best I was thinking about this when I was when I was booking my hotel for England I was thinking about this like oh I get to have that lovely English breakfast And I'm like I wonder if people in England think it's any good because I don't think our breakfast are very good here at hotels Honestly, but I remembered that you have said this before yeah, but that rule doesn't apply to the UK pretty much No one thinks UK food is breakfast or yeah, but you're American Shots fired Listen buddy Yes, thanks for that statue, but what have you done for us lately? Well, I think food wise I mean, I love McDonald's, but I think food wise see you have such a weird obsession with like Fred your food you're like you you play the French card of oh we have such better food But then you like I love McDonald's I love breakfast buffets at hotels I love nachos with the gooey cheese McDonald's and Jerry Lewis. Why why? Culture All right. All right, we're gonna have to we're gonna have to finish this after the show all right. All right You've got it you've got it already Here we go Do you like listening to advertisements? Me neither want to help and support greatest directly then head to daily tech news show comm slash support and help us reach our new milestone today This is the daily tech news for Tuesday September 5th 2017, I'm Tom Merritt Patrick Beja alongside. How are you sir? I am excellent and excited to talk about quantum things Yes, Rob Reed author of after on is is and is not here. He is in superposition for us. Thank you, Rob I am in superposition. I am in this and at least one other universe right now. I tell you what? We're in superposition having you on the show. That's what I all right No, we're gonna talk about quantum computing because Rob has a great episode of after on the podcast up with Steve Jervitson Talking about quantum computing So we're gonna mine Rob's knowledge of that and point you there if you want to find out a little more Hopefully you'll understand a little more about quantum computing by the end of this episode Roger Chang our producers here as well How's it going Roger? Good Let's start with a view of things you should know Javi announced its upcoming me a one smartphone will run Google's Android one Platform its first device not to use Xiaomi's own Android based MI UI 5.5 inch me a one will be available September 12th and 40 markets in India is the only price We have fourteen thousand nine hundred ninety nine rupees there about two hundred thirty dollars US Pretty good get for the Android one platform. I would say yeah, definitely YouTube now allows iPhone users who have a hundred or more subscribers to stream directly from their phone screen Something Android users have been able to do for a while Microsoft's mixer create launched out of beta last week allowing gamers to stream from iOS and Android This is the big thing Letting you stream your phones screen so you can show people your text messages. No, that's for games Most new mouth games. Yeah What's app announced it plans to offer services to large enterprises for a fee like easier ways to respond to customer messages or Delivery updates flight time stuff like that. What's app also announced a closed pilot program for verifying businesses with a little green checkmark What's that needs money interesting? Yes, finally a monetization strategy All right, here's some more top stories a reddit thread verified by Fandroid comm shows China listed in the Google Play developer console as an option for distributing an app Now you've been able to distribute an app in Hong Kong, but this is China mainland China Also several Chinese firewall test sites and I tested three of them Show play dot Google comm as available in China even though www.google.com is not Google's been blocked there for a long time now This is interesting Patrick. You found this fan droids story and it shocked me that it's true Yeah, it appears to be I mean there's something happening there. It's not a hundred percent. We don't know what it means But these two facts are true the developer console has this and it appears to be unblocked from the great firewall And it's not like Google is staging a huge comeback to China at the moment at least but even just the play store Being available in China is is huge Of course China is a gigantic market and they use smartphones a lot Apple has been bending over backwards to be present in the country for a while The interesting thing here is that this was basically a moral stance that Google took was it was about 10 years ago When they left the country it was the website at the time, but still so it's it would be interesting to see it It stands to reason and it would make it would be logical that if they do Come back to China even with just the play store. They would need to comply with many of the Regulations that they were taking a stance against when they left so I would I would not see them Compromise that stance with search results listing. That's where they drew their line We will not change search results just because you don't like certain search results So to get Google play going they would have to either Say that independent Android installations can access the store which would fundamentally change the way Google has marketed its Android releases Or would have to remove search from the Android package in and put, you know, Alibaba there or something instead Yeah, it's not just that though It's also things like, you know, China banned VPNs just a few weeks ago Then that would mean those wouldn't be available and that's kind of yes It's not, you know, censoring search per se But it is doing something that they It could be argued that they were kind of against morally before even if it's not exactly to the letter to what they were doing All right YouTube dash mp3.org reached a settlement in its ongoing litigation with the RIAA Both parties acts asked the court to rule in favor of the labels on a copyright claim site owner Philip Maitzons Maitzons Maitzons will pay an unspecified unspecified settlement as well as a as face an injunction preventing development of similar stream gripping service or technology and Transfer the domain name to the labels. Yeah, so this decision is mostly about Inducement right this goes all the way back to the old e-donkey and such Where if you are basically telling people you can pirate things by using your service, you don't get to claim You know, oh all we just provided software that that that turned one thing into another on the internet We didn't know I mean it was called YouTube dash mp3.org It was very Vowedly saying we can take the YouTube stream and turn it into an mp3 There's nothing fundamentally illegal about taking a stream off the internet and and screen capturing it or recording it It's what you do with it afterwards. That's the issue, right? I mean Rob You wrote an entire novel about copyright you also found it rhapsody. I have a feeling you might have some insight on this Yeah, I mean, this is one of these things where if the if YouTube dash mp3.com, which is what a Probably a trademark violation along with a certain number of copyright violations and so forth if they had had Unlimited resources with which to fight this thing It's conceivable that they could have brought it to some crazy Distant endpoint in the court system, but who in the world is going to finance that lawsuit. It's interesting to note that even Napster never actually lost per se and They were they basically ran out of steam in terms of their ability to battle But as you'd said it would you the the defense on this one would have to rest on the notion that there were really legitimate Substantial non-infringing uses for this technology and if only by naming it as they did they kind of obviated that Defense now one of the things that's interesting. There's two things that are interesting to me about this case One of them is this sort of grim reality for the founder And they don't actually specify what it is that he is personally liable for part of what, you know this the undisclosed settlement is and Technically that could be as much as a hundred and fifty thousand dollars per copy per song So that could be a very long-lasting bankruptcy for this particular person It's probably much more likely that they just wanted to get the thing off the air Create an example and not necessarily, you know, put this guy in peonery for all of time But you know who really knows the other thing that's interesting is Fp, which is the international version of the RIAA Recently said that the stream ripping has gone to the point where 50% of people between the ages of 16 and 24 engage in it Far more people that are actually downloading from pirated sites So I think what we're seeing here is kind of a another round in the never-ending game of whack-a-mole But the rights holders play win a mechanism for accessing music in a way They don't want them to access music gets to a point of critical mass They set an example They inject a lot of friction into that particular way of accessing the music and it probably gets batted down I was surprised that such a high percentage 50% is a colossal number of people In the key age group of 16 to 24 We're allegedly using this software software like it over the last six months Well, it may mean only one or two things, right? So it doesn't mean the 50% are getting all their music God, yeah, but but even that is a high amount of people who've tried it once, right? It means there's incredible fluency and comfort with this mechanism out there I mean 50% of people at that age may not even have driven yet Like that's a high high percentage of folks that that in that that just means that it's ubiquitous like everybody knows how to do this I Fix it has given the essential phone a repairability rating of one By comparison the iPhone and the Google Pixel have repairability ratings of seven Even the Samsung Galaxy S8, which is not terribly repairable has a rating of four I fixed it had to freeze and crack the screen to gain entry in order to try to assess What is inside the essential I fix it wrote any attempt at repair is likely to inflict as much damage as it fixes Several components are integrated with others meaning the breaking one can mean breaking the other the earpiece speaker is the same module as the selfie camera The USB C port is soldered to the motherboard, etc. Etc. I got my essential phone today. I have to say it's a very pretty screen There are a lot of pretty screens out there, but this one is very nice It's it's continuing the war on bezels with you know the the bezel is thing the notch for the camera at the top doesn't bother me at all But there's also not anything that and I've only had it for a couple hours But there's nothing that's blown me away about it. It is a very solid build. It feels good in the hand and all that but I don't know. I mean it's it's surprising that it gets such a different rating Because you would think it's not significantly Thinner or smaller or more compact than other phones, right? So you you would think if they mash everything together that's to gain Space I guess it is kind of smaller than it's a it's a bit tinier than the iPhone But mostly in the bezel not in the screen, right it's going from seven to one would I don't know it is surprising I didn't expect it to have just well the thing that they don't mention in the article is going from seven to one It is actually on a scale of 10,000. So They're all really really hard. They're all really bad I'm presuming it's a ten point scale that was a joke But I've got to say it must feel a little ironic when you're freezing and shattering a screen And your name is I fix it You're not that's that's why that's how they get the one. They're like this is not fixing This is not what fixing feels like this is not what fixing is all about. Yeah Thursday researchers notified Estonia the country of a vulnerability in the chip used in the 750,000 or so identity identification cards issued after October 17 2014 Estonian ID cards used before the state and mobile IDs are unaffected Estonia's information system authority says it has initial solutions for risk mitigation and no exploits of the vulnerability Have been reported early and early and online voting begins in Estonia on October 5th And thank you to T2 T2 by the way who pointed out this story in our subreddit a daily tech news show That reddit comm he is in Estonia He runs a bunch of the servers for diamond club TV and helps out a lot with all of that including the chat room He is Estonian but Patrick you're our leading Estonian expert on staff here because you visited Estonia for 36 hours recently Yeah, it was just last weekend I spent about 36 hours in Tallinn the capital of the country and so I think it makes me uniquely qualified to comment on that story and what I will say is that I Do appreciate the kind of response that we got from the officials at least as we're reading it in the Articles covering this it seems that like the kind of story that would throw most Countries in a panic But the way they're talking about it is so calm and reassuring and exactly the way I think those kinds of crises should be managed. They're saying yes, it is a concern. We're looking into it. It's not so Damaging that we think a recall an entire recall of the ID cards should be Taking place which implies, you know, if it was necessary, they would initiate it and they have mitigation Policies being put in place there. They really know what they do with all of this. They have the experts This is how you should handle a security issue because those will always happen. Yes, and and yeah, it's it's very I Guess it's a stark contracts contrast with what I think we would have seen in in other countries if that had happened Patrick I think it's it's worth pointing out and we were talking about this before the show But the fact that you were in Estonia right before this hack happened is completely coincidental, correct? well, absolutely, I mean it has been reported on I think a While ago, so I could know in no way have been connected to this And the fact that you knew quite a few things about how the hack was perpetrated that hasn't been in any article Is again, just it's your superior Entirely actually I would like to vehemently deny the claims that I knew anything about these Hacks before they were reported good. I just wanted to make sure everybody was right here on that It's either I've seen these claims floating around the internet and they have no basis in reality Now you guys have pointed out something which is our narrative in our heads when we hear these stories is a hack Has been perpetrated. That's exactly what you said. Yeah, we know hack has been perpetrated Researchers found a chip level vulnerability, which is both great and awful It's great because you want researchers to find it This is a good news story Which is the researchers figured out something before the bad guys did and hopefully we get it fixed before the bad guys Can take advantage of it only they were North Korean researchers Tom. No, they were not North Korean researchers Rob Thankfully, I'm pretty sure about that. I'm a hundred percent sure about that. I mean, are we sure they were not North Korean? Yes, the article did not specify their arrest I'm gonna rest that the the the probabilities are that they are not secretly North Korean researchers The article was suspiciously silent on whether or not they were North Koreans Doing a great job at Restoring the kind of suspicion and hysteria Company these kinds of story Suspiciously does not I mean and if you if you really want to have something bad to pull out of the story It's that it's chip level vulnerability and t2t2 pointed that out in our chat room just now It's a defect which can affect billions of chip cards, right? Because it's not just Estonia that used this kind of chip in their cars Yeah, and I will also point out something that I did actually Feel and discuss with some people while I was in Estonia this weekend, so it did bring something for those who aren't aware Estonia is very close to Russia and it has constant issues with Russia, you know, trying to Steer stuff up and with the election coming. I think they're taking this. Yeah potential issue very very very seriously And Estonia has actually experienced I think I think both Estonia and Georgia at different times have experienced Fairly massive hacking attacks that folks suspected came out of Russia at different points of geopolitical tension in the last several years And of course it was part of the Soviet Union unwillingly for you know a couple of generations and it's yeah It's a very tense. It can be very tense there. I mean you look at a globe and the enormity and Proximity of Russia to Estonia is just wow Yeah, it's it's 1.5 million people in the country in our country of Estonia, so Finally Kotaku passed along sales figures from retail tracker media crates showing that Nintendo sold one and a half million switch units in Japan in 26 weeks in comparison at the same point after launch the ps4 from Sony had only so sold 665,760 units it took 69 weeks to hit the one and a half million point in Japan and At the same time Nintendo has courted controversy by changing the biography of Mario online to say He also seems to have worked as a plumber a long time ago So I think that last part there is highly suspicious and I do think we need to inquire a little bit more about that change And why Nintendo is trying to revisit history in that way? But okay More seriously talking about the switch the comparison to the ps4 is a little bit Not artificial, but the ps4 had a very slow start compared to other consoles in the country mainly due to the The great success of mobile platforms there, so it's not super fair However, the success of the switch is kind of undeniable worldwide and also in in Japan, which this does illustrate and it's it's even more undeniable and and delightful because it was Unexpected, you know, we were talking about the switch a year ago thinking. Hmm. How is this gonna go? this is kind of possibly the last attempt that that Nintendo has to stay in the manufacturing in the console making business and It it's been an incredible Success for the console mainly resting on the laurels of Zelda. I would venture to say I I'm guessing, you know about half of the people who bought a switch bought it for Zelda when it first came out Which underscores the importance of great? Content when you launch a platform But yeah, the story of the Nintendo switch continues to astonish and and delight Lovers of the game industry because of course we all have a fond history with with the company I mean ps3s were still working very well when the ps4 came out Nintendo we use I mean they're working fine, but not not nearly as widespread or popular So you you had more of a hunger, I think For a good Nintendo console if if I could sum up some of what you were saying there Hey folks If you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines at daily tech headlines comm on your Amazon echo and in the anchor app and anchor dot FM Now as we mentioned Rob got a chance to chat with Steve Jervitsen about quantum computing in the after-on podcast which I am also on talking about the book after on if you want to check that out after dash on Dot-com and at the fourth international conference on quantum technologies in Moscow back in July Harvard University's Mikhail Lukin and a team of US and Russian scientists working together presented a test of a 51 qubit device Which sets a landmark in the race for something called quantum? Supremacy now listening to your talk with Jervitsen helped me kind of wrap my head around quantum supremacy, but can you sort of? Explain what that means. Are we just talking about you know being number one? What is what is quantum supremacy? quantum supremacy It different people have somewhat different definitions and so some might quibble with this But basically quantum supremacy is a notional threshold that We will one day cross and that we have seemed to be teetering on the brink of for quite some time now depending on who you talk to which says a quantum system is now doing things that are essentially impossible for a classical system to do and Some people here's put the difference the definition a little bit differently I think a common complaint about quantum systems is that for the most part they are they are Operating against sort of trumped up problems things like boasting sampling and it's strange things That wouldn't really have much of an everyday purpose and the notion of quantum supremacy is like aha Quantum computing has gotten to the point where it's doing something. That's that's functionally interesting and it's doing it in a way that classical computing essentially cannot touch and You know some folks say well when you get to 50 qubits You've attained quantum supremacy and that's one of the things that drove this particular article Because the I think a Russian group demonstrated a 51 qubit system That's probably that was probably a little bit of an arbitrary threshold But generally it means quantum computing has come of age and it's doing things that aren't just stunts But are genuinely useful problems that could not be solved in another manner Yeah, and there's a couple of different ways of going about quantum computing Some sort of like like d-wave combined it with classical computing others like the Google effort or this Harvard effort Are going simply saying what can we do with the number of qubits that we can make happen, right? But how is it different from normal computing? What do you get out of it? Well, so basically the the the fundamentally bizarre thing that's going on under the hood with quantum computing is A normal like they use a term classical computer, which means just computer as we know it a classical computer Will have a bit in one of two states. It'll be either a zero or one, right? We all know that so if you have an 8-bit string it can be in one of 256 configurations the quantum computer Can literally be in all 256 of those states Simultaneously, which is a pretty powerful thing when you're solving certain types of problems and particularly When you start getting into strings that go far far far beyond Eight bits or eight qubits and so that the the fundamental unit in quantum computing is called a qubit I think that's what they measured the arc with and the Old Testament of the Bible if I'm not mistaken as well A little differently, but yeah, it's different. Yeah, it sounds different different qubit And so a qubit is one of these things that's in what's called in quantum terms superposition Which means it's two different things at once and it can even be Gradations in between those two different things at once and again for particular kinds of problems That's exceptionally powerful. It can be exceptionally powerful in cryptography If you imagine you have a very very long string that you need to crack the ability to chest Gazillions and that's a technical term of different possibilities Simultaneously becomes very very powerful. It's not a big deal to be able to chest 256 things Simultaneously because obviously a fast classical computer can test 256 combinations stepwise very very rapidly a quantum system Though can do them all simultaneously now Tommy also mentioned that there's sort of two different approaches the biggest company in quantum computing is called D-Wave systems and They have qubit counts in the thousands like the most recent D-Wave system to ship says basically quotes 2,000 qubits when you see a lot of other articles about people trying to do things with quantum You'll see qubit counts in the teens and 20s or 50 ish And that's because they're taking two very different approaches basically what D-Wave does is It's a little bit less of a pure approach and it's almost more like having an ASIC So there their systems are designed around Particular problems and they're able to up their qubit counts For that reason, but it's not precisely apples to apples with when you see a truly pure Maybe platonic ideal of a quantum system that might have more like a few dozen qubits now We've we've talked about this before and I got an email from a guy named Liam one time Attempting to refine the explanation of why quantum computing works the way it does. I'm going to read this because I think it's a really good Explanation. Yep, and then I want you to give us the somewhat easier to stand if maybe a little fuzzier inaccuracy version of this Liam says Quantum mechanics allows for probabilities to be complex numbers rather than just real numbers between zero and one So it's what you were talking about being able to have more possibilities in classical Probability if an event can happen in two ways you add up the probabilities of those two ways and the resulting Probability that is more likely is the one but in quantum mechanics Sometimes when you add up those probabilities, they cancel each other out and the event doesn't happen So the goal in quantum computing with those 256 possibilities Yes to set things up so that the probabilities of the wrong answers Cancel each other out and then you end up getting the right answer like that This is tricky and we only know how to do that for a few specific problems That's why the limited number of applications that you heard Rob talking about one of those problems is integer factorization using Shor's algorithm Which is why quantum computers could be used to break encryption now? That is very good and probably a more accurate way of describing quantum computers But it's still going to confuse people So I really still like and I know Liam takes issue with this But I really still like your explanation of how it's able to do this. Oh, it's not mine It is Steve Gerber since I am merely parroting what the master says and so this is just a quick shout out As Tom mentioned I've been doing a podcast series that's connected to my novel after on and it's basically a series of eight episodes That go deep into the tech and the science connected to the novel deeper than I could within the story Without making a very tedious story and what I do is I sit down with people who are far smarter than me and far deeper in Their domains than I am to talk about subjects that are that are Significant in the book and one of the subjects that's significant in the novel is quantum computing And so I sat down now This is actually a shout out to another story We just had with Steve Jervitson a well-known venture capitalist who has backed Elon Musk in ventures including Tesla and SpaceX and in our Podcast episode which went up today Steve and I do talk a bit about Elon But we really get deep into quantum computing because he has been on the board of D-Wave systems the biggest quantum computing company in the world for 15 years So that's a long path for a venture capitalist So everybody who thinks that you know the path of liquidity and high-tech is always lightning fast Sometimes it's a decade and a half anyway fun coincidence Steve Jervitson Estonian So, you know Recent story. I must add he is of Estonian descent. He's not personally Estonian I believe he has a California driver's license and not one of these potentially compromised IDs But the way I would say that that provides the perfect cover for someone like you Yes, well do things that you might suggest other people on this show might have done I'm just you know saying I was not the one in Estonia right before all of this stuff happens And if memory serves you were in Houston a few couple weeks ago Very very suspicious travel patterns there. So anyway the way that Steve Conceptualizes and the way that people who are very very deep in the quantum sphere You know basically explain how in the world does this happen? How is it that this quantum system is in? you know many many different states simultaneously and The way that Steve puts it somewhat playfully, but actually quite seriously as well as that There's two explanations really the first one is that there is a very large set of all but identical quantum computers to our quantum computer in parallel universes and They're all testing one combination Somebody gets the right combination and we certainly hope that it's us and it gets a little bit complex as to whether or not The solution then radiates through all of the parallel universes or if we just get to hog it to ourselves But basically the notion is in order for this to work You literally have a vast set of parallel universes with Identical quantum computers working on the system and D wave has made according to Steve in today's podcast the audacious claim That they have harnessed the compute resources of trillions of resource of trillions of universes in solving problems for the customers So that is explanation number one Explanation number two again, I can interrupt for just a second. It sounds like the most American capitalism thing to say ever we have harnessed the powers of trillions of universes to solve the problem of the consumer It's beautiful Because D wave is a Canadian company They're in Vancouver the most chill city Thank you, Roger It still sounds super American even if it is North American. Yeah North American It's North American. So then Steve says playfully the other explanation of how this works is pause I don't want to talk about Interesting thing is when you do talk to people who are deep in the field That parallel universe explanation does come up a lot And I interviewed a number of experts when I was working on my novel because I wanted the novel to be ground in everyday realities or not everyday realities and in in actual some reality Yeah, and some form of quantum reality and that explanation does come up repeatedly It doesn't really have an alternative and these quantum systems first seem to work to some degree Except they have not yet demonstrated their supremacy But we seem to be teetering on the brink of that Imminently as we have been for some years now and and honestly the difference between Liam's explanation and that explanation is Is like explaining Schrodinger's cat at a more prosaic level and explaining it with a cat Yes, there doesn't have to be a cat in the explanation, but it sure helps us all to kind of wrap our heads around it Yeah, and cats are sweet. Yeah, please don't have them be dead. Yes, indeed don't open the box I guess so anyway, all of this stuff it is it's very hard to conceptualize and one of the thing I mean, I think it was Einstein and if it wasn't Einstein It was one of the fathers of quantum computing Einstein was always Intellectually rebelling against quantum computing The off-repeated joke is if you think you understand the the clearest sign that you don't understand Quantum physics in general is that you think you do and so it one's head hurts in wrapping itself around these different issues, but Steve does a pretty very good and accessible job of explaining these things and also Explaining the raw potential that quantum computing could have in this long conversation We have so people who are interested in it might find that interesting That's an after dash on dot com Patrick you got another question before we wind up No, I was just going to ask if this description kind of works. We don't quite know why Physics behave the way they do at the quantum level But what we know is that how they behave? We don't know why I behave like that and we know but we know how they behave a little bit like electricity Yeah, and and that is what we are harnessing to create the quantum computers where Harnessing the statistical data and results that we can recreate reliably To use them for calculations. We just don't know why those Particles behave in the way they do we don't have the underlying physics completely figured out yet But those behaviors we understand that they do happen and that they happen Predict well predictably if you go to the statistical level well, they're spectacularly well attested That's that's the thing about quantum physics is it's mind-bogglingly well attested experiment after experiment very validation and verification One after another, you know GPS wouldn't work without our understanding of quantum being implemented in physical products Our computers wouldn't work all the weirdness on a quantum level is basically being harnessed every You know millisecond by the devices that we all use and so weird as it is It's it is is real as anything that we can you know we can establish as being real Well, I want to thank everybody who participates in our subreddit We cannot vote no both your participation and your voting at the same time But you can both submit and not submit stories in superposition at daily tech news show Dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show Let's check in real quickly before we're out here with Chris Christensen who has an essential device for traveling This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute one of the things that I keep in my bag for trips is a device that is a battery that basically lets me recharge my devices my iPhone or my iPad mini in this case and The cool thing about this device and this is a Hutu device H o o t o o is that it has other Functionalities as well so last week for instance I was in San Miguel di and a Mexico staying in a house out in a casita That was far enough from the house that I couldn't get at Wi-Fi But the Hutu device is also both a Wi-Fi extender as well as a Wi-Fi hotspot Fortunately, there was a hotspot that was nearby that wasn't functional But I was able to unplug the ethernet cable plug it into my Hutu device, which is small enough to take with me It's maybe half again the size of a pack of cards that I had Wi-Fi in my room So the Hutu device is something I recommend that is in my kit This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler Hutu paratou Gracias Chris Christensen for that and don't forget you like you said you can find more at amateur traveler calm Want to read one more email before we're out of here Ryan wrote in just a couple hours ago Saying you guys have talked quite a few times about Rob's book after on and just how good of a read it is Summer is my busy season so personal time to do any kind of leisure reading is all but off the table for me But after hearing you talk it up so much I caved and bought the audiobook and I have to say this book is Incredible with periods between every word since I'm typically listening in the car I honestly have no idea what chapter I'm actually on But I just met Maxim and I'm learning about his complicated back story and have been totally captivated through the entire narrative The complexity of the storyline passed in present entanglements between the characters and parallels to real life both in the things We take for granted and the conspiracies we fear but want to know nothing about Just makes this a compelling read as a bonus It's amusing for me to watch my wife's eyes glaze over when we're in the car and a discussion about quantum computing starts to play If anyone out there in DTS listener land hasn't picked this up yet, don't put it off another day Thank you so much for taking this up for talking this up so much PS when I'm done with this book I might have to check out the related suggested read pilot X but don't really know much about the author So I was hoping some listeners could vouch for him. Thank you Ryan and that was an unsolicited email. He just he just wrote that in Rob. That's very kind and I'll add The audiobook is really cool because it is beautifully performed by people who are not me It is great because it has professional voice talent including you Tom Tom is reads a small but critical piece But we got Felicia day and Patrick Rothfuss and John Hodgman and a bunch of really great voices And that's one reason why I think the audiobook delights people like Ryan and it's very very kind of him to say all the things He said Well, that is it for this episode of Daily Tech news show Patrick Bayesha before we're out of here. What do you got going on? I guess Pixels I'm gonna talk about pixels today It's a show where I talk about video games in the video game industry. The latest episode was recorded yesterday I cover a number of things and The one thing I would I think would interest some of you guys listening is the recap of all of the many many games That are gonna be coming out until the end of the year It's a crazy year for video games and it's a crazy season in that crazy year There are many games that I'm pining for one of them being available in just a few hours And yeah, so I go over all of this. I hope you will enjoy it. It's available at French spin comm and it's called Pixels also as we mentioned not only is after on a novel But there is a podcast and as we as we've reminded you there is an episode with Steve Jervitsen about quantum computing today There's only a few more episodes left to come out Rob, right? Yeah, maybe so it's funny you should bring that up So I originally did this I was I was thinking it was gonna do eight episodes to go deep into augmented reality quantum computing terrorism and you know five other issues that are core core to the book and be able to explore them in Love ways I couldn't with the storyline, but it has been so much fun doing this I've kind of been bit by the podcasting bugs So I'm giving myself three weeks. I've got three more episodes to come in this in my originally conceived of run giving myself three weeks to decide whether or not to continue with this and so We'll see I'm very very tempted to keep it going I actually injected in today's episode of requests to the people who are listening to the podcast To help me decide really It's possible and I had never really done this before but it's actually remarkably easy To rate a podcast in iTunes and so I'm asking people to rate it because I'm gonna look at every vote That'll be one of the things that could be kind of a signal and I'm also looking to see if the audience is growing It seems to be growing But if the audience continues to grow significantly over these next three weeks Those would be my two signals that like there people really do want to hear more of this And I'm leaning in because it has been enormous fun It's great to sit down with brilliant folks and talk in an unbounded way and really really learn what they know About things that I know relatively little about like one. I'm computing So it did they're at least three to come and there may be many more I'll decide within three weeks. I have to decide within three weeks I vote yes on the condition that I still get to listen to the interviews early like I have while I've been participating absolutely They're really good after dash on comm also thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value They get from it. 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Oh somebody I you know, maybe I should we should take it offline There is somebody who's quite interested in being on your show at some point And I will I will drop the name when we're offline. No, you just tell you on when I really really good Would be a great co-host, but you tell Bill and Tim and Elon whenever they want. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry Larry Sorry, Sergey. They are Larry. It's our gate to yeah, although, you know, they're former employers of my wife, so I think we interviewed one of them a long time ago on screensavers. Yeah, I really both of them. Yeah So when they ran the server out of a closet Whoa Yeah, you interviewed them then no, that's when I found out about Google Yeah, because we were bringing them on the screensavers like these two Stanford students have got this really good search engine Oh my god, I remember when Google image came out Scott. Harry. It's sitting around the office like this thing's Amazing. It's really good ditch Alta Vista kids. This thing's great. Oh, yeah Titles. Yeah, what do we got? Yeah, what's app needs money? Google plays in China essentially unfixable. I break it Is everything a North Korean researchers? Q bits not cubits It does not and does not Sounds more cute thing about cubits. It sounds a little like cubit. It does not it doesn't have to be a cat China plays nice with Google play China allows Google to play a quantum of supremacy The quantum supremacy starting Matt Damon What's that with your business? Ready Android one Tom how's it going Roger Roger good So become your bit now, you know, I think it would be a tragedy to not give a shout out to the coolest name I have ever heard in my life t2 t2. Oh, yeah He's our Estonian. Oh, he's so t2 t2 is a is a regular I will not try to pronounce his name, but they both begin with teas. It's he's a regular Person in our chat room. Yeah, he runs the chat room the chat room runs on his servers Oh, that's cool. Let's t2 t2 and who to was later mentioned right? There's there's a fun alliteration play to be made Who to you to t2 We're getting into Stories Mario has retired These are not the Estonians are looking for Explaining it with a cat. I like cubits not cubits. Hey, it's a written title. Yeah. Yeah, it's fun We'll go with that any dissenters too late motion care All right We got our we got our title before I even finished level-aiding lady Was that part Wonder Woman that to us knew I recognized it Lady, I'd really loved this episode not that I don't love all the episodes equally Hugs and kisses at the end of the show notes love What is love Sounds like a dance hit Yeah, exactly exactly it was used in the to great effect in the SNL skit with Chris Catan and Will Ferrell when they play the Roxy boy like the clubbers that I was not aware of you Now you've you've sent me to YouTube as soon as it never never see the movie night at the Roxbury. It's based on that skit No, I haven't I I'm kind of movie illiterate. It's embarrassing That's fine. I'm not big. I'm not I am I am pop music illiterate I have embarrassing holes in my movie literacy as well, which is why we've started doing the current geek film fest who where we're watching In reverse order the top 100 movies of all time as determined by some cross-referencing of multiple lists and Starting with a hundred and working your way to know we're starting with number one and then going going backwards So we watched the guy would say going from one to a hundred is in the normal Yeah, I guess you're right. Well, I was thinking you normally count down. Yeah. Yeah, you're right What was the Godfather? All right. All right. So it's good because if you run out of steam, then you'll have seen the good shit Right. Yeah, did I say the wrong word? No, that's fine. What is so I'm curious was number 100 I have to look the hangover nine No, they there's really good movies that don't make it into the top 100 I cross-referenced Rotten Tomatoes American Film Institute and IMDB's rankings and number 100 is Interstellar Wow, that is a that is that is the hundredth best movie. I got to admit that is entirely accurate It's good and flawed in some ways. Yeah, right number. That's that's that's your hundred right there It's so funny when I first heard about the movie interstellar if I was mistaken for interspace It's like why are they remaking her space like was it Dana Carvey Wade? Who's the other Quaid? Dennis Quaid Dennis Quaid Dennis Quaid and Okay, this is this is how you start a bar fight though, especially Los Angeles I had thought they had they had finally made a movie version of the Beastie Boys hit intergalactic I too was confused also disappointed. Yeah number 101 is Rashomon Behind Interstellar. What is it? Rashomon Rashomon You know what? Can you do that? Can you do can you really? Pick him number 99 Annie Hall I can't you're doing this formally. Is this like another podcast? You have 900 so I'm doing it as part of current geek This is my new my new sneaky way of doing different podcasts is to do them as part of existing We may do it once a month We haven't quite decided but the idea is instead of doing our normal current geek interviews Scott and I will just watch a movie and talk about it And we did Godfather this past Friday and the movie the show went great We got some good feedback from it as well, you know Scott Sigler is doing something our our mutual friend Yeah, is doing this thing with with with With a where they're they're basically They have somebody on who who brings up a movie their favorite movie or just something from the archives And they basically have a long conversation about it I was on and we had talked about a movie that I adore called shallow grave which is far too obscure It's Danny Boyle who later did some dog millionaire and train spotting and other things But it's his first bit movie and we just had a really fun conversation And so they're doing this weekly you might you might enjoy listening as yeah podcast No, I I love both those people so I can't imagine I wouldn't enjoy hearing them talk about movies That's another reason is that I want shows where the prep isn't reading more stories But where I can just watch a movie and then we're not setting ourselves up as the experts on the movie We're like, okay, we're just normal people and we watch this movie. That's supposedly amazing. Here's what we thought about it That's cool. Yeah We're supposedly normal people allegedly great. So have any of you watched that after hours Martin Scorsese movie? No, no See after hours about is that number 97 or something? No, so it's one of the it's kind of weird because it's my first Martin Scorsese movie I've ever watched But no one knows about it and I've always wondered why No, I saw when I was it's the guy who goes down to Greenwich Village and he $20 bill flies out of the back Trying to get back home. I didn't know that that was Martin Scorsese Because it's kind of a it's kind of a flighty movie And I think of him is doing really really serious stuff for the most part like it's kind of Raising the dead which was kind of crossing that line. I didn't see that I had a Nicholas Cage in it He did a great movie. He did a great concert movie shine a light with the Rolling Stones is one of the better concert movies Made in Estonia is a movie that exists says T2T2 Is it MAD or MA ID? MA DE yes, MA DE because MA ID it would be a different kind of movie probably my friend Ron Richards and Connor Kilpatrick and friends did a Podcast series called the Goodfellas Minute. Oh, I know each episode they talked about 162nd slice of Goodfellas. God, that's obsessive. I remember talking to Ron about that. It just sounded very run Well, he got the idea from the Star Wars minute, which is people who did that with Star Wars. Oh Got it. I didn't I didn't realize. Oh, well that makes sense. I yeah, okay It's just such a great idea. You know, it's weird because Ray Leota is one of those I don't want to say character actors but an actor you associate with kind of mob or like Long Island, New Jersey like that movies can tell who's is the weirdest thing because he shows up And this is totally nothing to do with Goodfellas. He shows up in a movie called the name of the king Which is based on a Microsoft RPG game and it has a Jason Statham in it But he plays like an evil source word and he still keeps his accent. He doesn't try to change it It's like the weirdest like incongruent incongruent thing in the movie where you're just totally jarred out like what? That's funny. Speaking with this really thick accent. It's just like what was that super thick, but it's noticeable And I think it's just a little bit like Sean Connery in Highlander plays a Spaniard, but yes talks like Sean Connery Because he's been in Scotland so long, right? What's this? What's the streetcar name desire? What's the name? Tennessee Ernie Ford. No the actor Marlon Brando Where he's in Superman and he's just like kind of doing Marlon Brando. Yeah, it's Marlon Brando, and I sent you It's just not Yeah, that's totally what it sounds like On the day of my planet's eruption I send them you That was one of the things we talked about with Godfather is how many quotes from the Godfather aren't in the Godfather Because you know, it's that Shakespeare effect where you know, there's madness to his method is not in Shakespeare It's though this be madness there is method in it And I can't remember the exact quotes But the Godfather you come to me on the day of my daughter's wedding asking for a favor is not what he says He says you come to me on this the day my my daughter is getting married or something like that And then later says I want you to do me a service. He doesn't even use the word favorite But I offer you can't refuse this from the Godfather, right? Oh, yeah, they several people say it Yeah, yeah, so that that is an authentic quote that one's word-for-word. Yeah, the other one Go ahead make my day is not from Dirty Harry, right? That's not from Dirty Harry It's another Clint Eastwood movie. It was a colleague. Oh really? He doesn't say that my day at all, huh? I could be wrong You know another thing Yogi Berra. It was apparently mute because every quote I've ever heard attributed to Yogi Berra has been snopes out of his His utterances is really disappointing because I used to think of it as just being the most, you know Kind of like anarchic wit, you know, like really brilliant guy who was messing with people by Saying things that seemed wrong, but they were so cleverly precisely wrong. There's like, oh my god I just this guy's just but like everything I've ever heard that he had said so I kind of think he may not have ever spoken You know, it was my day is is from the movie sudden impact It's a part of them sir sets of movies with the same character Harry Callahan, but the first movie Dirty Harry he doesn't actually say that it takes oh, so what is the same character dirty? Harry says it. He just doesn't say it Yeah, yeah, got it and sudden impact is the one where Dirty Harry Uses his pistol to stop the asteroid from hitting the earth, right? That was right impact. That was no that's Dante's impact. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Armageddon Kano Man when Armageddon deep impact came out the same time I was just wondering what kind of pissing match happened where some guy was just like dude You're gonna make an asteroid run crash It happened with volcano and Dante's impact or Dante's and wait Dante's peak and it happened with red planet and a Journey to Mars and with there were like tornado not tornado, but tsunami movies 2012 and right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah the earthquake disaster movies This goes way back I mean Chaucer was totally bummed when he came out with the Canterbury tales and like the same week that the Cameron came out Well, yeah, even before that Matthew was like what mark? I just I just put out the same story Luke Almost word for word. Yeah, at least John did a spin on his yeah, not even alive at the same time, but somehow All right, thanks everybody for watching I'm gonna find out all of the secrets now and again a huge huge Thank you I know we haven't talked about it a lot in the post show, but we are made so much progress since we announced the new Milestone on Friday to getting Sarah Lane on the show. I feel really positive about this We only have I mean just about $2,500 to go just just a little bit more than that So thank you for your support and if you are meaning to add support, please do We've got some great new rewards in there. We got a bunch of people at the new advisor level So go check it out patreon.com slash DTNS. Goodbye