 how are you? I'm fine sir thank you. Was the waiting time was more or you expected this time to happen or did the bureaucratic delay happen? Yeah some kind of a delay actually. I was told I had the interview time was 3.30 but I think there was some kind of difficulty. Okay what is exactly the meaning of Ashik? Ashik actually is derived from an Arabic word which means admirer or lover and it has later adopted into different languages which all means the same meaning. So you're admiring the civil service as trying to get into the civil service? Yes sir. Okay right now you're from Kerala, Anu and all. So during the floods of 18 and 19 where were you? During that time actually I was at Trivandrum sir. You are at Trivandrum? Yes sir. Where you affected or where your living was affected? I was at Trivandrum and Trivandrum was the least affected area in Kerala. Actually my home was affected. My home is near Periyar river so it got flooded actually. Okay what would have been the loss to myself? To your house, to your family and all in terms of if you quantify. Okay if I can quantify in monetary terms it would be below 10,000 rupees actually. My ground floor of the house got flooded actually. That's all. So you're cleaning nothing damaged and all you shifted it and all. We actually got time to shift the things but there was a lot of cleaning to do so that would cost only 10,000 nothing more. It was below 10,000 actually. The problem was I was actually writing my main examination at that time so I was not at my home at that time. But your parents were there no? Yes my parents and my brother sir. Okay so will there be another flood of that magnitude, that magnitude will it come or is it likely or what is your reading? Sir that flood was actually called the flood of a century because it was after a long time but I think there will be there is potential and possibilities for the such kinds of large floods in the near future because of the climate change and variability that we have been seeing in the global climate. No the 18 flood was very specific it's because of the man-made floods it's predominantly of the nature was there but I think we we let open all the dams simultaneously without proper information or even if information nothing would have done that was the major mistake done by the KACB predominantly and irrigation department. Yes sir that was also there sir. That management was a major issue sir. Major because they stored it for water and then water was already filled and they have to combust really this one. Yes sir. Right now now 18 we said rebuild Kerala and all we have studied is it anything has happened in the Alua area after that 18 flood 19 flood now we are in 2020 is it anything infrastructurally visibly has happened in that part of Kerala which was badly affected. Alua was one of the most affected towns in Kerala because of the proximity to Periyar river. Periyar yes. So as part of the rebuilding activities many people were provided homes and houses that kind of infrastructure rebuilding activities have been going on. Now also it is continuing because last year also there was a major flood. Okay. So that is one thing happening. Sir can I continue. Please go ahead. Okay. Apart from that there is on the land use wise stricter enforcement of the land use rules is now being followed so that any kind of new construction activities is not being taken up in the flatland area or closes to the railings. So encroachments are being cleared out and new construction activities are not being permitted. Visibly in the ground it is happening that's what you are saying. Yes sir in the ground level it is happening but it is not entirely changing the picture like the whole infrastructure is not changing but small changes are happening. Okay. So that means the vulnerability is not going to be reduced. Vulnerability is going to be reduced but I think it's in the short term it is not going to be reduced. We have to take actions in the long term sir because already encroachments have happened and there are many go downs and shops that is already present near the near to the river. So it is not easy to have a short term result I guess. Have you seen the district disaster management plant of Ernaklam district? No sir. So you are an aspirant, civil aspirant that is not a love letter book or something of the district collector or the SP you know you have to read it. It is a public document it will be it should be in the website please have a look on that. Sure sir having read a specific document of Ernaklam. You should because that is what where you are leaving and on. Okay sir. Okay. Do we know swimming? Swimming yes sir I have actually taken a coaching in the district. So you can survey for some time in the water you will not drown. No sir. Okay. Have you ensured your house after that flooding? No sir. Have your house have been ensured after that flooding? No sir. No I think it's that then what is the lessons we are learning? You can't expect Pinarayu Vijayn to come and ensure our house and safeguard your house. You have to individually do your responsibility. Okay. Now I would ask I think do you drive? Sorry sir. You know two-wheel driving and four-wheel driving? Yes sir. Yes sir. Very good. Okay. So do you know CPR? CPR isn't the activity. No artificial. Can you while you're driving you knock down someone or somebody has fallen and remaining in the in the road. Okay. Do you know practically have you given any artificial respiration to anyone? Actually I have read about it. I know the procedure but I haven't done it personally sir. That theory will not work. You will kill the person. You have to have it. If you are a full-fledged citizen that too in a flooded area. If you don't know CPR you are not a full citizen. Okay. Over to Sudesh. I'll try to learn it sir. Please quickly. You are basically an engineer, isn't it? Yes sir. Yes sir. I used to work in TCS. Now you're not working? No sir. I resigned after two years. How old are you now? I'm actually my birthday was last week so I'm 28 now sir. 28? Yes. So you're from Kerala typical of Kerala like around three years back we had some cyber that misguiding of youth. We left around 21 people left Kerala from Malawa region. They joined the Islamic state. Yes sir. What is it that attracts the people to the the cyber world for all this illegal activities like terrorism and all those things and how can we ensure that our population is not badly affected by such propaganda by the militant outfields or terrorists and all. What do we do? Sir, I think we have to take a multi-pronged approach here. First of all this happened because of the online as the online radicalization or in the cyber way as you said. So we have to strictly regulate our cyber ecosystem so that such kind of messages from the radicalization organization should not come. Then we have to involve the community. We have to engage the community leaders so that this happened this incident happened particularly with reference to the Islamic community. So in Madrasas and other religious institutions such kind of sensitization can be given with the help of community leaders so that people don't stray out of the mainstream. So along with the legal application of the I mean along with the legal enforcement we also need a community engagement. Community engagement, isn't it? So similar act that taken place in your place also one professor's hands were chopped off. Can you repeat the question? In your place also one professor's hands were chopped off. You know that case? One professor. Yes, yes. Okay, okay. Okay, that was around 10 years or 11 years back. That incident happened because there was a controversy related to the equestrian paper being said by a teacher related to a university exam and some orthodox sections of the religiously motivated sections of the society actually attacked him and chopped his hand off. So that was a really tragic and unfortunate incident that happened. So how is the handling of COVID-19 pandemic by government of Kerala? How is it? COVID-19 pandemic handling by Kerala state? So till, how is the response of the government of Kerala? Sorry sir, your sound is getting disturbed sir. The handling of COVID-19 pandemic by government of Kerala over the last almost three and a half months. So is it effective or successful? Not successful. It was found to be effective sir. Can you elaborate on that? It was found to be effective in the sense that we were, yes show us sir, because it was found to be successful in the sense that we were able to contain the spread to a minimum level and as of today there is no big evidence of community spread in the state but recent developments for like for the last week the IMA and other organizations are warning that community spread is silently happening in Kerala. So I think initially the government did well in the containment but the influx of the expatriates from other countries especially the hotspot regions in India and abroad it has complicated the situation a bit. They are expatriates or Malayalis who are settled abroad non-resident? Yes sir, they are non-resident Keralites. They went for a job in other countries like Gulf region. They are expatriates. They are not here. When we talk to expatriates they are other than citizens, right? No sir, Kerala citizen Malayalis who are working in the Gulf region and other countries like USA they are coming back to Kerala right now because of the pandemic. So we should not use that term, we should call them non-resident Malayalis who are returning home, isn't it? Okay sir, sure. So should the government ban their entry to contain the COVID-19? Why should we allow them to come when the disease is spreading? Why should we allow them? So they have a right to come back to their home state but it should not be done in an unregulated manner. So an outright ban on their income is against human rights and I think humanitarian values. But I think we have to institute a mechanism such that their inflow doesn't result in a huge spike in the corona infections in the states. But the government of Kerala requested government of India that they should be medically examined before they board the flight but that requirement was not enforced. So when you are sitting in an aircraft you don't know who is infected, who is not infected. So many people are contacting in the flight itself. So how do we regulate that? Sir, as you said there was an instance like that but the issue was that the countries from where they are boarding did not have the protocol or did not have the capability to do that. So what the alternative taken was that every passenger who are coming through flights should wear a PPE kit overall so that it would minimize, at least minimize the chance of spreading within the aircraft. Thank you. Over to Mr. Satya. Yes sir. Thank you sir. Actually there is an issue with the video and audio. I'm sorry. So whenever difficult you please come out and tell sir not audible or then I think you shouldn't be. Okay, the audio is fine but the video is not. How is it now? Is it okay? Can you hear me? Actually I can hear you but I can't see you. It's a good video. That's right, I can see you so I think that serves the purpose. Okay, okay, okay. Anyway, so I think your optional physiology I believe. Yes sir. So then can you tell me why a successful person like Sushant Rajput has to come in suicide? What makes a person like him come in suicide? So I don't know the exact value but exact reason but if I can guess there were certain mental issues that was that he suffered because there were reports that he has been undergoing treatment for clinical depression. So that might be a reason. Also another social reason that I would see in this scenario is the lockdown the isolation instituted by the lockdown might have affected him because the WHO itself has warned that the social isolation and the isolation from the loud ones as well as from the larger society has created larger chances of mental depression. So that might be another reason that has triggered this. No, no, no. How can that be a trigger? See, it's like if you want to meet someone you still you can just go after 10 days and meet anybody. So I don't think lockdown is the reason why it has actually pushed him to the level of committing suicide. So as a sociological student, so what can you how can you pin down as the reason for a man who's successful committing suicide? So I mentioned that because I recently read a WHO warning which said that the risk of suicides is egressive. Depression, I understand that but see you cannot explain it like a layman. You have read suicide by a man. Okay, okay. Based on sociology. Okay, okay. If I can if I have to explain based on sociology, ML Durkheim actually explained it on the basis of entropy which says that the integration with related to society affects the suicidal tendencies of a person. So if a person feels that he is not integrated with the society, there is a chance of him committing suicide. So that could be a reason which so that could be a situation which could be accelerated by a lockdown situation. So was he not integrated with the society? He seemed to be most wanted person in the society all the time. So how can you say he is not actually integrated? He might have felt alone because of the apparent it was a leak that because of the high nepotism of the industry he was being isolated from all the parties and occasions. We cannot talk about hearsays and rumors. Okay, anyway, let me just go to the next question. Since you have electronics is your graduation. Have you used it? No, sir. You have not even downloaded it. So because the government has given an app for the citizens for well-being during COVID situation and you have not even bothered to know what it is all about. No, sir, because I didn't download it because it was I was told that it is mandatory for persons who are going out and since the lockdown started actually I haven't left it. All right, all right. But as a civil service aspirant, if you know that something is usually coming from the government, I was just curious enough to know whether you are curious to know what was all about or not. Anyway, no sir, I haven't downloaded it. Okay, okay. So this is the next question is with respect to COVID testing. Kerala has been doing a very good job in handling COVID. That is the national news out here. So can you tell me the difference between PCR testing and antibody testing? Tell me the difference between PCR test and antibody test. Sorry, sir, I still didn't hear the question. Can you tell me the difference between PCR testing and antibody testing? Okay, sir. Okay, sir. The RT-PCR testing which is known as the golden standard of testing is actually looking for the genetic materials of the virus that is present in the body, sir. And the antibody testing actually looks for the presence of antibodies that was created in response to this genetic material of the virus in our bodies. So which has highest specificity among the two tests? The RT-PCR is the golden standard which has got around 70% of reliability, sir, and accuracy. My question is specificity. Why are you using a new term reliability? I asked you which has highest specificity, right? Sir, I think RT-PCR, sir. So do you know what specificity means? Not exactly, sir. But if I can take a guess, it refers to the ability of the test to specifically conclude a positive case. Okay. So my last question is, see, with respect to polis and violence associated with it, on one hand, if there is a huge crime rate in the society, you see, we are a group of, we are a society who cherishes extrajudicial killing in terms of, in the case of Hyderabad encounter. At the same time, we seem to condemn the polis' brutality when it comes to the Tudukodi incident, right? How do you actually view this dichotomy? Sir, I think instead of a dichotomy, there is a clear link between these situations because the extrajudicial killings performed by the policemen as well as this custodial killings is outside the bounds of law. So... My question is, society seems to cherish, if at all it happens to be an extrajudicial encounter. We are not sure whether it is one or not. But if at all it is an extrajudicial encounter, what happened in Hyderabad, society seems to be cherishing it. At the same time, we seem to condemn this extrajudicial killing which happens here. So how do you see society as a sociology student? How do you view this dichotomy in the behavior of the society? Okay, okay. So basically, the difference between the response of the society is, I think it is because of the pent-up grievances that is in the society against the judicial system in the country. So the society believed that in the extrajudicial killings, those persons who were accused were actually convicts and they deserve the punishment. And in this case, the society believes that these were innocent people who got murdered by the police. So the outlook of the society towards the judicial system that is actually notorious for its delays and issues might be the reason why the society... This is not the answer. I will just get to the answer once the interview concludes. Yes, I am done with Rishnakam. Yes, Rishnakam. Yes, sir. I would like to ask about how globalization and corona are interrelated in present context. So corona, as we all know, is a respiratory disease which has got high infection potential. And because of globalization, the movement of people across the world is higher than ever. So the chance of spreading of the disease is much higher. And that is the reason why it became a pandemic in the first place. So do you think that globalization has in one way or other has given more big negative impact on the world compared to the positive impacts? Sir, I don't think it has got more negative impacts compared to the positive impacts it has. But I think the globalization facilitated the spread of the pandemic. We cannot blame globalization for all the negative effects. Because one of the reasons the pandemic spread in the first place was the lax response in the part of China when it hit the data about the virus or the spreading of the pandemic in the first place. So I don't think we can blame globalization for the spreading of the pandemic, sir. Then there is any pattern with respect to spread of this infectious disease specific to continent and countries? Yes, sir. The initial spread of the virus was in China. And after that, it was the European countries and Western countries that got affected. And when the peak of the virus started declining in European countries, the Latin American countries and the South Asian countries like India and Pakistan started seeing the peaking of the disease. So there is a pattern in the sense that there are multiple peaks happening in the global, I mean in the world at different times. Okay. Since your dad has worked in commercial tax offices, you might have seen the taxation very closely. Okay. Yes, sir. If you see compared to direct tax and indirect taxes, how do you see the burden of taxation lies with whom? Indirect and indirect taxes. So the basic difference in the direct and indirect taxation is the burden because in direct taxes, the persons who are taxed directly bears the burden. And in indirect taxes, people indirectly pay taxes for the goods and services they are buying from the retailer also. So the burden shifts from the person who is paying the tax. What is the contribution of direct and indirect taxes to the overall taxation percentage wise? To Indian budget, sir. Yeah. I can't recollect the exact percentage. Okay. And what about ease of doing business? Which country is a fairing better and who releases this index? Sir, the ease of doing business is an index released by the World Bank. What are the parameters for it? So there are different parameters. I think there are nine parameters which includes the ease of starting a business like enforcing contracts, getting permits for constriction, then getting the credit for the business and ultimately the insolvency laws which helps the exit of a business. But I can't remember all the parameters exactly sir. Ranking of India. Sorry, sir. Indian ranking. Ranking. Ranking. Okay. Sorry. Sir, I think it's 75 right now sir. I'm not exactly sure. It is in the 70s. How has taxation regime changed in indirect taxes in what way it has helped in water negatives? The change of indirect taxation in India. Yes. After GST. Yes. Sir, GST was a revolutionary change in the sense, in the arena of indirect taxation in the sense that it codified and consolidated all the, most of the indirect taxes that is present in India and it actually helped, it should have helped the customers in the sense that it reduces double taxation. But the issue was that many people have found loopholes in this new system. So it has got peatting troubles and the government is actually facing a reduction in the estimated amount of taxes. Okay. What do you mean by strategy games? So strategy games are those games which gives the player a level of independence and autonomy so that he can make decisions which directly influences the outcome of the game. For example, the chess is a strategy game sir. Because we involve different strategies, we exhibit different strategies which actually determines the outcome of the game. And I usually play video strategy games, which are real-time strategy games. Okay. Being a software employee, what is the way forward? What do you think this in the phase of unlock should software industry be opened up or should it continue as work from home? And what are the protocols ahead in the COVID situation? So I think the software industry is one of the industries that where the work from home concept can really work easily. So given the COVID situation and the guidelines regarding to physical distancing, it is better if you don't open up software industries and stick to work from home because software industries, the use of air conditioners is necessary to keep the system school. So air conditioned rooms are one of the, in the enclosed spaces are one of the places where the chance of instruction is high. So I think we should stick to the work from home concept at least for now sir. So what change has come in terms of contribution to economy? How much loss are we incurring based on the software industry alone, software sector alone? So I don't know the exact amount, but the contraction is happening. The figures given out by various rating agencies show that the contribution by every sector has reduced except the investment in the digital or internet technology sectors because that is the only sector that has not been affected really by the pandemic. Okay, I am done with my questions. Okay, thank you. Ashik, just before you leave, Kerala has always said this God's one country. Where is the oldest mosque in Kerala? And it's said that in the even the first century, there are seven churches were constructed in India much before in many other parts of the world. Where are they? Any idea? Sir, the first oldest mosque, the Charaman Masjid is in Kodinalur. Why that name? Why that name like that? Sir, it is called the Charaman Masjid because it is believed to be constructed by Charaman Perumal who converted to Islam in the 7th century. Okay, about the other churches? Sir, I do not know about the exact places where these churches were constructed, but I think it is related to the arrival of Christ this century. So what is the biggest impressive lessons or messages you take from Hinduism? As a person, possibly you may be practicing Islam. Is it anything you have taken from Hinduism while you are living? Sir, one of the concepts I am attracted to is the concept of Advaita. That is primarily because I studied in Kaladi which is the birthplace of Shankaracharya. And Advaita philosophy actually propounds the idea of Aham Brahma. That is the individual soul is the same with the Brahman and everything else is Maya. So I think it is an idea which helps us to relieve stress when stressful conditions arise. Because if we think that these stressful conditions are nothing permanent and this is transient, it is easier for us to move. Thank you, Ashik. I think we will call you back in a few minutes. Thank you. Just to leave for a few minutes, you will call you back. Okay, sir. Okay, okay. Thank you, sir. I think we are trying to, I think adhere to that time but still maybe five minutes that's it or so. Okay. Okay, okay, okay. Ashik, you can leave for a few minutes and then we will call you back. You can leave for, again you can rejoin. Possibly not able to, yeah, audibility. Yes, sir. Okay, sir. Right. I think overall what is the other panel view? Good. I think we will start from Krishna Kamji, I think fresh this right from that. Sir, I think the questions we are framing but time limit we are not able to manage. I know. I think that everyone is covering every sector. We can cover specific sectors like that also if it is done, we can cover in time. No, no, no problem. What I'm telling, time we will try to go here and there, we will maybe five plus ten is okay, no more. Because the voice should also benefit, we have got little liberal time. Okay. I feel, sir, he is very little bit casual in approach, more serious and more methodical answer he should present. Okay, okay, okay. Then what we will do, we will call him and then make an observations and that's better. It's right taking done again, that's better. Then Chandru, you can call him. Yes, sir. One more answer. I think without tea time, I think we can pass through I suppose I am having my tea. I think hope all have enough access to the tea and all. But I think also Sudesh. Sir, this thing is that little illogical time when he gives the answer on that train of thought is not there. Okay. It doesn't go sequentially in that what is the issue, how to solve it. That approach is not very serious and all. Okay, okay. And the way he answers become very casual, like I can't recall call. Okay. That he uses almost in every question, many answers and all. So basically I just say, I don't know. But I'm not able to recollect. I can't make that you were not able to. Okay, okay. He has to change the language also. Okay, okay. Every word he speaks in that 20 minutes or 25-30 minutes, this matters a lot. So, right. We will give that feedback and all that. Yes, sir. I think you understand Tamil? No, a little. Online interview is very good. enthusiasm, that energy that impresses the board and all, that will certainly improve the panel and all. But in terms of little, subject matter, your answering, I think you have to be little more because within the 20-25 minutes you have to impress your service commission, the members. So, that matters a lot. So, I think the panelists will just give an observation. Just keep it in mind. Otherwise, it's okay. Yes, Kangji. Sir, what I feel that the interview process should be engaging. So, you should be very keenly involved in giving the answers and making the other person engaged. So, your appearance and overall get up should be very disciplined. It should appear and you should give answers very carefully, little bit of thinking and then giving the answer and arranging in a sequence. So, that way it will appear more seriousness on your part. So, your face is pleasant, smiling. It is there but at the same time, your seriousness should come out in your answers and thoughts. Yes, everything is good. The main issue was I couldn't see your faces. So, that limitations. But we want to give you a feedback because we have been observing that these inputs just take it. When is the interview? When is your interview? 21st, sir. 21st. So, there is enough time? Try to, I mean, get up and all that. Over to Mr. Sathya Krishnan. All the best. Ashik, somehow I got an impression that you were a bit very casual. I think that is because of your smile throughout the interview along with probably your hairstyle, I believe. Is it the same hairstyle you're going to go for the interview or you're going to go? No, sir. No, sir. Actually, I was not able to convey her because right now I'm in a containment zone. So, I will take care of the grooming. And added to that, what has happened is whenever there are a lot of areas, in fact, I have even written it down. So, when you were asked a question, are you working, then with a smile, you said, sir, I used to work. So, that is instead of saying that, you could have said that I was working earlier, sir, but right now I have resigned. So, that is a more formal way of saying rather than your communication was as if you're talking to a group of friends or you're going to talk to a leader in your office. No, don't ever make it informal that way. That was something which I noticed. Another issue that I noticed was when you were asked a question, the last point can be a very general answer like we have to have a multi-pronged approach. The first point, you should not use a jargon like, sir, we have to have a multi-pronged approach. So, it should be more specific. And as time goes on at the last point, it can be more generalized. So, this actually can put a negative impression in the minds of the panelists that maybe he's not knowing it and he's just trying to somehow cover it. So, see, the kind of phase that you have right now is what I actually expect you to have throughout the interview. Actually, the thing is, I had go to a comment or feedback in the previous interviews that I should smile more. So, again, with respect to the questions also, I find the answers were a bit, you can still think, you can see what I would say is spend some more time thinking about the answer and probably they should start answering it. Even when I asked you about the dichotomy in the perception of society. So, as a sociological student, you should have said that with respect to criminals, the society does not feel any kind of a connect. But these are middle-class citizens, normal common men. So, a society feels a connect with them. So, a violence against them is perceived to be a violence against a society itself. So, hence, a society feels threatened in this case. So, this connection I was actually expecting from you in your answer. So, these are the suggestions from my end and do definitely understand about the app because you're going to install it. Yes, I am going to install it definitely. Yeah, quickly as quickly as possible. Over to Sudesh. Ashik, the one thing I was asking about that handling in Kerala, please go to the website of Health Department. You get a lot of material, you can just write down what we have done and what we are doing now, isn't it? Okay. So, then second question I was asking that asking what the boys who were left for the Islamic State. So, they were indoctrinated from a particular institution. Actually, they were working there because I was handling that case. It's not that we don't take care of them. So, we have done a program Kerala Police. I think that operation was done. So, you can just refer to that and find out that. And after that, we didn't have a very serious case and we are monitoring very closely, isn't it? Okay. Okay. Okay. So, that's one and second one. I think that arrival of Islam, who was the person who converted that particular king? So, you should know that historical, the first boss came up in that particular place, isn't it? Then from there, it travelled to Kanur, it travelled to that particular Femme Tanishiri, then all. Yes, it was Malik Bidin Dinar who converted. Yes, Malik Dinar, Kasivot and all. And that king, when he went for Hajj, actually he died on the way in Salalah, Oman. So, his bazaar is still there. People still visit that. So, that is literally historical, this thing is there. Otherwise, I think regarding the rebuild Kerala, you can see the document, what Sars yesterday did, the district disaster management that planned. So, that you can refer and rebuild Kerala document after the floods, for your area was most, not most affected, there are different areas which are most affected. Chalakudi was also another area. So, what was the response that time, why it was caused, and what action we have taken after the floods, isn't it? Okay. So, you can just go through that because then there was a demolition of the apartments in Ernakulam. So, that is, that CRZ 1, 2, 3 and all those things, what zone they were following and all. So, how we can prevent that, something like that you can expect, isn't it? Okay. So, I think this is the main end, then of course you can ask about that Kerala diaspora outside, what are their contributions and all, isn't it? So, those issues like Norka and you can go to the Norka website and all, little bit too much you keep and you can smile. There's no ban on smiling, but it should be within that context also to be smiling. So, context also, if serious, you talk serious and all, if a little bit this thing, but only you don't try to immediate something, you be natural, that's all. Yes, I was being natural only, but I was trying to be more relaxed actually. No artificial laughing, nothing or smiling at all, but always natural, natural, that's all. And put in your hair, beard and all, look very short and you're very young and you do very well, all the best. Thank you sir. Thank you. Okay, all the best. Okay. Thank you. Good day. Good day.