 here in San Francisco at the Bay Area for SoapCap, one of the world's largest convenings at the intersection of meaning and money. And today it's a real treat because we're here with Nancy Fund, who is currently the managing partner at DBL Investors, which we'll hear more about. And formerly was the managing director at JPMorgan, running one of their venture capital funds. So you went from big finance and transitioned into DBL Investors, which is also playing in pretty big markets and has an incredible portfolio. But can you tell us a little bit about what the difference is between now what you're doing with DBL Investors and what you were doing with JPMorgan before? Well, it's been a journey. I've loved working with entrepreneurs my whole life. And so that's one of the reasons I went into venture capital. JPMorgan was a big international bank and it created a home for us for our first fund and I was grateful to the people that supported this idea. And our idea is that you can make money, make great returns at the same time that you drive social, economic, and environmental progress. And that the two are not enemies, they're one doesn't diminish the other. In fact, they enhance each other. That's what double bottom line DBL means to us. By the second fund, and we spun out in 2008 to raise our second fund, we really felt, you know, we know how to do this, we want to grow this, we want to nurture it, and we're so small that we don't mean that much to JPMorgan and wouldn't it be fun to do it ourselves? I love what you're doing at DBL Investors. You focus on this peer synthesis between profit and impact and you say that you don't need to sacrifice profit for impact. In fact, they can enhance one another like you were saying. I was hoping you could share with us just one or two examples of portfolio companies that really represent the epitome of that approach. Pandora, the digital music company, is one of our great successes both financially and, but it's impact, I mean, it obviously has huge impact for musicians and connecting listeners to new music and the music they love and doing it anywhere, any time. But they're located in downtown Oakland, which has challenges as an urban community. And what they've done for over four years now, which they don't do it to get credit, they do it because they want to and they enjoy it, they teach music at a local school that doesn't have a music budget in a low income section of Oakland. And it's informed the way that Pandora thinks about the younger audience. It's done all kinds of great things for the community and for the business as well. When you think about your constituencies and more broadly and give back, somehow you're going to create goodwill, you're going to be able to use that. So it's not, it's beyond fiduciary responsibility, it's human, it's environmental, and it's wildly successful. I'd like to switch gears and actually ask a personal question. Sure. How do you balance family with these types and this level of audacity and ambition? Well, I've always felt that your children, your family is the most important creation, notwithstanding all the wonderful entrepreneurs and products that we help to create. It really is your responsibility to stop working at the right time to take care of them. Portfolio companies in many ways is like a child. You start young and you go through all the trials and tribulations and then you launch them, like sending your kid to college. But the main message I would have is don't feel guilty about those moments where you're stressed out and you're watching a piano recital while you're reviewing a term sheet. Recently, one of my friends, she came to me and she said that she was changing her professional ambitions because she realized she wanted to have a family and that she didn't think she could do both. What would you say to her in that situation? There is another path and you can do both. And in some ways, I think it's a good role model for your kids to see you working hard and having successes and failures and coming back for more. So pick the kinds of jobs that fit your priorities because they're out there. But you don't need a sacrifice. You don't need to. I don't want to be judgmental because a lot of people, that's their choice and I respect that. But don't feel that the two are at odds with each other. I think you're a gleaming example of how they're not at odds with each other. Well, thank you so much, Nancy. I know that was quick, but it was really a pleasure to spend some time with you. My pleasure. Thank you so much.