 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump! With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Adam, Justin, and I have a fun conversation for the first 40 minutes of this episode. 40 this time. Here's what we talk about in the intro. We talk about the changes on Facebook. Find out why Zuckerberg fucked all of his shareholders out of some money. We talk about the Twitter revelations. Are your dick pics safe on Twitter? You might want to know what you're tweeting. Then we talk about privacy and the dangers of government. Is Sal chicken little? Left unchecked. Sky is falling. And we talk about my cacao bliss moose. Guy, that looks good. I actually talk about this dessert that I made with. Delish. The Organifi cacao bliss. Now, Organifi is one of our sponsors. If you go to organifyshop.com and enter the code Mind Pump without a space, you'll get a huge discount. 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Now, if you're interested in enrolling this program, because you're awesome, the place to do it is mindpumpmedia.com. Man, do you guys see what's going on on Facebook right now, dude? Super, super interesting. This is going to flip a lot of shit. I mean, it's going to piss off a lot of fucking people. I have personally met quite a few people that make a ton of money through Facebook advertising right now. Right. So mainly the companies are going to get pissed about this new... Oh, yeah. I mean, that's why you saw the huge drop in the stock. So you got to explain what happens, though. So Zuckerberg apparently came out and said that he is going to reduce the amount of ads and news in your news feed so that there's more room for... Your people. For your friends posts. Because he talked to these people. Well, that's how it started, remember? Before advertising hit Facebook, everybody loved it because you could check out what all your friends were doing and when you popped open your feed, you could see where it was at. Dude, I... When I go on Facebook, I like to see what people say a little bit, but I mostly go on because I belong to a lot of groups. I like to see the news. I use it like that. So I don't know if that's necessarily a good... I'm on both sides there, okay? So one of the things I don't like about all the Facebook advertising in there, like it's been for the last year or two, is I don't... If I don't actively go to my sister's page or my mom's page, they won't even pop up in any... This goes for Instagram too. They don't even pop up in my feed. So really easily, I can get consumed with our business and what we're doing and then all of a sudden, I'll notice I'll go to their page individually and see like, oh shit, they've posted three or four things and I missed it and I didn't see it. And when it's family and really, really close friends of mine, sometimes I feel like, fuck, I wish I would have known that or that popped up so I could feel like I'm interacting with their lives on a more regular basis. So as a consumer, I feel, that's how I feel about that. Now on the business side, you know, we are literally just now starting to make our way into Facebook advertising. The ironic part. Yeah, so the irony of this is like, you know, there's also a side of me that's the angry business owner right now that says, fuck, but I also... Well that's a lesson. It's a learning lesson. It is. And you know, I posted an article on my Instagram for people to read that wanted to read deeper into this topic. And if you, man, if you're a business and you've leveraged that hard on Facebook, fucking not very smart. I know. Counting on another company. This has always been our fear. All your eggs in one thing. Our fear of this and this is why we're spread out all over so many platforms is, you know, if YouTube all of a sudden shut down one day, this business should have options. If podcasting is shut down all of a sudden one day, we still have options. Like there's still... Well, I know personally people who know other people who went from making no joke, millions a year straight through Facebook, through Facebook ads and that kind of stuff, went from making millions a year and then Facebook changes, because this is what they do. Overnight they change the algorithm. They change how they... Like just mastered it. Bro. And then they just do that. They upend you. Overnight would go from millions to like tens of thousands. Overnight. They have a lot of power what they do. And this is true for Instagram. Twitter, Facebook, all the social media platforms, they do some shady shit in that particular sense. Like if you have a political position or an opinion that isn't one that they necessarily like, you'll all of a sudden stop appearing in people's newsfeeds and there's lots of evidence to prove this. Lots of stuff to show us. In fact, Twitter... Didn't Twitter just some guy come out? I think I shared it with you guys. All the stuff. Yeah. Did you see that? A ton of people. Yeah. A ton of video and audio of employees for Twitter talking about how they have at least 300 to 400 people dedicated to going through our private inboxes and DMs and stuff and seeing what types of things that we're talking about. Shady. So they can sell off those analytics. So they can say, oh, these guys are the X percentage of people that are tweeting or tweeting these types of topics. So they were just, they were referencing how often they see dick pics and all kinds of crazy shit. I wonder if, God, I don't know. I wonder if there's going to be a backlash to all social media because all the stuff that keeps coming out. Because I know for a fact that when, you know, you post certain things on... I do and I don't because I think there's two sides or there's two types of people that feel this way. And I think we're probably all a little bit different on this. Like, I'm not the privacy thing for me. You know, if you're going to send your dick across the fucking the web like that, you're already rolling the dice as it is. And so I've already told myself like, whatever I put in there, like it's not guaranteed just because it says it's going to be a private message or a DM. I don't think they're reliable. I wouldn't change my patterns. Like just because I know that there's probably 300 guys at Twitter that might be looking at my private messages, I don't have anything to hide that much. Well, think about it this way. That would change my usage. Think about it this way because there's that, right? Some people are like, I don't want you to see my private messages. But I understand somebody does. Well, no, there's a lot of people like that. I don't want you to see my private stuff, but that's not what I'm scared of. That I could give a shit about if some dude, some fucking dork in an office is jerking off to my pictures or whatever. I'm not worried about that. Here's what I'm worried about. What I'm worried about is, let's say you are just unaware and you're sending information to friends, messages, memes, conversations. And let's be honest, in private, if everything you ever said or did in private with friends was recorded. And then taken out of context. Even if it's not taken out of context. We say shit in private, we would never say in public. Everybody fucking does. If you're shaking your head and saying, no you don't, you're full of shit, everybody does. It's just the human nature. Now imagine you, let's say you're some 27-year-old kid and you're doing this and then now you're 40 and you're fucking developed this incredible company. It's growing. It's competing now with the same social network. And they go back and they're like, let's fuck with this guy. We've got all this shit on him. Blackmail is ass. Not just blackmail, release it. Or let's say you run for political office. Or let's say you're a corporation. Or let's say you're any of that stuff. Let's talk about. That's some scary shit. You know, what's the percentage? What's the percentage of people that that would truly affect? And then I have the other side to that. So here's the way I look at it. Being somebody who we are in the public eye, so I'm somebody who already gets scrutinized like that. I've always tried to be that person. It's like, you know what? You're right. Off-air. But in my private DMs, you'll probably find some fucking dick pics. You'll probably find some racist shit. You'll probably find some sexist shit. Because I find all that shit fucking funny. And that's who I am. And I'm not afraid to admit that that's the person I am. But I feel that way when you talk about sexist and racist stuff, I feel about my own race and my own sex. So I equally find all of it amusing and funny. Yeah, that's you. Right. But I think it's going to force more people like us that are in the public eye will have to admit and talk and share about those things. Or else if you deny it, or you act all perfect, and then it gets out there. Okay. Well, let me go back. Let me give you another example. This one I think you'll have an issue with. It has to be all the way across the board. Here's an issue I think you will have a problem with. Okay, tell me. You're going to make a business deal. You're talking in private with another person. Your competitor sees that shit, jumps on it, and you're fucked. Every possible scenario you can think of where someone has an advantage over you because they know private conversations you have with people will can and will happen because humans are on the other side of this and humans are not infallible. Humans are not these perfect, altruistic, you know, fucking angels. They're people. All this shit can happen. Well, when you say that to me, it just adds a layer to the game or the business. It just adds another layer that you have to be cautious of. Businesses have evolved for over the last 100 years. We've been doing business anyways. This would be just a new wrinkle in the whole process that, you know, if I'm talking business, let's say I'm sharing, you know, like you're saying, let's use your example, but let's be more detailed about it where this could fuck me, right? So let's say we're, maybe we're talking about a business deal that we're about to do. We're going to acquire a company or we're about to take on a big sponsorship from somebody, and we're sharing our analytics, our numbers, and how much we're willing to spend or pay on something, and our competitor sees that or gets that information because it's someone made it public or whatever, and now they undercut us somehow. We lose a deal over that. Well, shame on me for fucking giving something like that over Twitter. Like, to me, like... It's not just Twitter. I mean, we're... Or private Instagram and DM. I mean, if I'm going to share information like that... But it's not just social media. This is happening with... Well, other things get hacked, too. Like, you remember that whole... You can't... Dude, it's... You guys remember that one site that everybody goes to, like, cheat and adultery or whatever? Like, that got hacked. Ashley Madison. Yeah, exposed all these assholes on there. And it's like, what are you getting into? Man, it even gets hacked. I think there's two conversations. One conversation is, do we think it's... That the ball is rolling and we can stop and reverse it? That's a different conversation from the negative effects that are going to happen from it. I personally don't think there's a way that we can reverse out of it. I do think the market will provide some solutions. For example, Bitcoin was a solution to being able to trace everything I do with my money. Tor, what is it called, where you can go through these different servers? That was an answer to, you know, people spying on you and whatever. So I think there's going to be market solutions to what people really want to be private. Exactly. I think 100%... Whatever's monitoring you, we'll know about. I love where we're at right now. I think that a company that probably doesn't even exist right now, that will be their pitch. We are 100% private. We guarantee our walls are protected. Nobody will hack us. Nobody will be sharing or looking at you. Oh, for sure. Are you just being... Yeah, you'd be notified right away somebody from Twitter is going through your shit like you're going to know. You know, all that stuff. No, for sure. For sure, I 100% think there's going to be market solutions for it. I do think this will and can unless these... Because Twitter stock fucking plummeted. I do think that these kind of revelations are going to damage these social media networks and it only takes one scary situation to do that. The question you're going to ask yourself though, just a company like Twitter or Facebook get hurt more by the information like this coming out and maybe losing people when what they're doing by spying all this is they're providing analytics to companies that they can then turn around and convert into dollars. So it's like, sure, we come out. People find out about this. Our stock drops. We lose a few million or even a billion dollars or whatever. But we still now can use all the analytics that we have. I think it depends on how people are. What I've noticed so far is that people don't give a shit. They pretend like they do, but they really don't. Here's the thing that I'm worried about more not. I don't care if private companies do that especially when I know what I'm doing. They're not searching things that they're not supposed to have access to. Like it would be scary if Twitter hacked my phone and went through my messages. Of course. But if I'm messaging through Twitter and they look through my shit and it's on their platform, okay, you know, I kind of expected a little bit and or I'm not super scared because they can't throw me in jail. They can't kill me. They can't legislate against me. I'm scared when the government does it because the government can and will do all of those things. And we know for a fact there are laws that now say it is perfectly legal for the government to read your shit, search your shit, track you, spy on you without any due process. It used to be the law used to be that if they wanted to do that they had to go to a court, ask a judge, get due process. Now they can follow you. Now they can listen to you. Now they do mass collection of all this data and nobody really fucking cares which is really stupid. That's really dumb because if you have an opinion that is different, if you start to make some noise, if you, whatever. And by the way, there's a lot of history to prove this. We just had Martin Luther King Day, right? It was the other day. A lot of people don't know this. This is 100% true. This is not a conspiracy theory. The FBI followed and spied on him for a long time and they saw, they recorded him having affairs on his wife. He was an adulterer and they black, they tried to blackmail him. They said, if you don't stop what you're doing to show everybody that you're cheating on your wife. They thought they had something on them and little did they know he wasn't going to stop. Of course, he told his wife and that was terrible, but he kept doing what he was doing. FBI did this on multiple celebrities and that was back when we had laws saying you can't really do this. So that's what really scares me is when the government does it. But private companies, you do take your own life. Don't you think things like that, and we're seeing it happen right now with Hillary and Trump and they make creating that document that was fake just so FBI could tap all, hit Trump tower and all that bullshit. I mean, things get exposed now. It's too hard to, I don't fear the government like that because I feel like we have enough people in place to get after that by the way. If they don't like you, this is what they can do. I'm not saying that this is what they do do or whatever, but this is definitely what they can do because it's all, if you look up the NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act, in that act, which I believe has, you know, some people have really tried to oppose it in Congress. Rand Paul is one of them. Justin Amash is another one. It says in there and it's been extended several times. Didn't he just filibuster that? He's talked about filibustering warrantless surveillance and all that stuff. But in NDAA, it literally says you can be jailed indefinitely without due process. So not only can they spy on you, but now they can take your ass. Just lock you up without any questions. Throw you in a hole, not even tell your family, not tell anybody and there is no due process and this has been law for almost two decades now all because and but see, that's the thing. People are aware of this. Nobody gives a shit because why? I tell you what, if you went to... People don't give a shit because people know that they fall in the 95%. No, I think... 95% of the people will not be affected by something. Trust me. Trust me. If there's ever a situation... Don't give a fuck about you or me. If there's ever a situation... Nobody's fucking throwing us in with no due process. If there's ever a situation where people experience that kind of tyranny, then they'll realize we have made a grave mistake. But because nobody experiences it, everything's cool. That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying. They're the 95%. The 5% that this really... It's not a clear present danger. This really affects are the people that probably oppose it, man. I mean, if you are in politics or if you are somebody that this could affect directly, I'm sure I would be out there picketing and doing everything too because I'd be scared to death. In fact, at this level, which is the majority I believe, it doesn't really affect them as much and so it's not something that... There's just no fear. Like another example is... But you're right. I think... I like to think that our government, as much as I'm not a fan of big government, is not like a big monster and they're out to just like... Well, I hate to tell you, dude, but the evidence unfortunately is not... It doesn't support that. The evidence supports that. We've experimented on... This is all stuff, by the way, that's been confirmed. So I'm not even conspiracy-thearing anything. I'm talking about actual confirmed shit that we've done. We've infected black prisoners with syphilis just to see what would happen. Many of them died. We've imprisoned people because we felt like it. We've sold cocaine and drugs and crack to raise money to give to rebel groups and other countries that we don't like so that it's off the books. We've sprayed poison into the air and then come out and talked about it afterwards just to see what would happen. We've done a lot of shit that's been actually confirmed and even apologized about. The Tuskegee experiments, our government came out and said, hey, sorry, we did that. That's all confirmed shit. So no, the record is not in favor of this awesome thing. The record is actually in the opposite, which is why it's extremely important. We keep that shit in check, like always. Always air on the side of... Yeah, but you just named off. Like, how long ago did this happen? You were talking about 20, 30 years ago. So what? Well, do you think it's getting worse or better? I don't think it's getting worse. Well, I think in injecting African-American men inside prison with fucking syphilis, it's fucking crazy. And I don't think that would ever get away. No one would ever get away with that today. I can't believe they got away with that. I definitely don't think the government could fund a huge operation. Last time it happened in 1972. So over 40 years ago, bro. So I don't think that type of shit is happening. Now, I think there's all kinds of fucking conspiracy theories that you subscribe to and that you love to read about. But I do not... I don't believe that it's worse today than it was then. Of course. The access to information is so much greater now, which is in our benefit and also like... It's a different playing field. Here's the thing. It's scary to think about it. It's scary to admit it. So most people are like you, Adam. They want to be in a cloud of happiness and rainbows. And no, no, no. It's so different back then. No way people would ever do anything like that now. But I guarantee you 40 years from today, we're going to look back and be like, holy fuck. They actually did that shit. There will always be corrupt people. There will always be evil in the world. That's right. You always got to check it. It's why we'll always need some sort of a defense system. I agree. I agree that there will always be bad people. I'm not saying that. And I don't live in a world of just rainbows. But I do have belief in humanity and that we're in a better place right now and that we've created things to help try and protect or stop those things. Now, does that mean it's going to stop it completely? No, I don't think you ever will. But I definitely think being scared about those situations, that's chicken little shit to me. No, it's not about being scared. No, the sky is falling. The sky is falling. It's not about being scared. It's about being wise. And the wisdom is in always limiting and checking those powers because you know what can happen if the wrong person gets their hands on that power. That's it. So it's not a chicken little thing. It's literally do not give those things to anybody. To be scared of it is a chicken little thing, bro. So what you're saying is, because you're not scared, we should give the power to certain... No, you can't put a spin on it because I'm not scared also and I'm pro it. No, it doesn't mean that. It just means that I don't think it's as scary as some people make it out to be. I don't think it... I think that the market that we're in right now, things will be put in place that will create to help protect those situations. And I think we're always striving for that. I do think that because of the internet and transparency, I think it's harder. I think that doesn't mean it won't change and they can't modify. I think definitely sitting at home with a tinfoil hat on and being scared is not a great way to live. But I do think it's wise to look at history and not fool ourselves and think that those same things can happen again today because we feel like all of a sudden people have changed and it's all... I think it's very smart. I don't know. I think when I moved to Apple World in 10 years, I think I'll be just fine. I subscribed to that theory still. I think these monster companies are trying to build a better ecosystem for us. I think that's really where we're heading and it's going to be interesting. I know that we've kind of discussed this off air and I know your theory is like, well, if government will allow it. And so it's going to be interesting to see the next 10 years with some of these massive tech companies that are literally growing to become more powerful than our government. It's going to be really fucking interesting to see what that looks like. But they also have motives of their own, too. There's always that. I'm not afraid of them as long as they don't ever have the power to throw us in jail or write laws. Then I'm fine. Because as long as I know I haven't for that truely dollars right now, that's their mission. If I know I have a choice and it's voluntary, then I don't care. You know what I'm saying? So Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, spying on your messages and all that shit. Well, if they can't hurt you with that stuff and if they can't, and if you have a choice, if you're choosing to use those things, then I'm okay with that. It would be like, it's like a private business who looks at, if you walk into a private business, if I walk into a private business and they look at me and they say, nah man, you're Italian. I don't want you in here. I don't like Italian people. I'm gonna be pissed off. I'm not gonna fucking like it. I'm probably gonna boycott you and make a big deal about it. But that doesn't scare me like if the government did something like that, because they could lock me up, they could throw me in jail, they could legislate against me. They have a whole military behind them too. Yeah, and they're private. That's like yours. So Twitter is a private company. Theoretically, they own everything you do on there. You sign that little waiver when you first sign up on it. Yeah, and you're volunteering here. And nobody reads. There's all my shit. That four-page deal. We own it now. The four pages of whatever it says. Yeah, it does. It says whatever content you put on there. It's there. That's why I don't really get upset about something like this because I'm like, well, I know. You're handing it to them. Yeah, we agreed to do that. And it is what it is. I think the moral of the story is for those that are out there that are creating businesses around social media is to be careful if you built a business that you rely on one of these third parties to sustain that business. That, to me, is what's probably really scary if I'm somebody who has built up this million followers on Instagram and I monetize that. And that's the way I make them. Oh, overnight you go to zero. Yeah. I'd be scared to death. Amazon is another one, by the way. But when we were talking to our friend. Mike. Yeah, he was telling us how, if Amazon wants to, if they change something in algorithm, if they want to, if they penalize you for something, you go from selling tons of product to now nobody sees you when they go on Amazon to search your product. I think you just have to be conscious that whatever is written or posted on a social media thing will live forever. You just have to have that mentality going forward. That if you're going to put it in there. Doesn't matter. You just have to be responsible and check yourself. And then, obviously, we need to watch these fucking big companies and what everybody's doing. We were lucky to grow up in a time where none of our stupid shit was recorded. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's totally different. Where was it? I saw it. There was a site. Well, we're lucky we were before and we're during, right? So we understand it enough to use it to our benefit, right? To build a business around, right? Or use it to help catapult a business. New opportunity. There's another, you know, a site to that. It's a darker site. There was this site, I don't remember what it was. It was this music festival and there was this site where people were taking pictures of, you know, kids were taking pictures of each other, doing crazy shit, making out with random people or whatever. And I read this article how a lot of these kids got in trouble because of this and I remember thinking to myself like, wow, that's there forever. You know, you ripping your top off and then puking everywhere. Like that, it's not that that shit didn't happen when we were kids. That shit's been happening forever. It just never got captured. Imagine if you're on the girls gone wild video and you're always on commercial, like you didn't even like, you signed some waiver. Oh, there were some girls. That happened for some girls. Oh, my God. I feel so bad for them. They're like, I was just drunk and, you know, now I'm trying to get like a job. Think of all the times you hung out with your buddies and, you know, shit went down or someone did something stupid and you're just like, thank God nobody like that. There was no pictures or you know what I'm saying? I think what it's going to do, I think it's just going to show people that everybody has this dark side to them. I agree. Everybody's fly. I think exactly. I agree. That's okay. Why I'm okay with admitting it because it's like, I've never met anybody who doesn't got some fucking dark secret of some bullshit. I've always said, I don't trust the people that are like Ned Flanders. I don't trust those motherfuckers. No, I agree. And because I think now they can even, I believe they can look up all your porn searches even. So imagine when that shit comes. I know you're most worried about that one. He always brings that one out. Well, you know, it gets really weird. You know, it's funny. I have zero. I'm super. I have no problem. So there's nothing I'm ever afraid of, but I'm thinking about all the chested to me. I'm thinking about all the people that will literally lose their shit was something like, so I never even, I never even looked at porn hub until I met you. Like I never, you're welcome. So Katrina and I, now I'm obsessed. Did you use my affiliate code? No, I'm not on there that much anymore. But I, you know, I have been on there because I'm fascinated by it, especially after talking to our marketing team and then being like, you know, watch what porn does. Porn's always on the cutting edge of how they market and they do things. Oh yeah. They experiment there first. Right. They do. It's like, so watching, watching it like that is pretty, I'm, and this is a dork in me, right? So I'm on a porn site, but I'm very fascinated by like the views on certain things. Like, the titles. Yeah. Yeah. Like the titles. And then they're like, holy shit. So outrageous. Right. There's like 40 million people that want to, want to see a step mother, mother get fucked by their son-in-law. Like that. Ew. I can't help it. Watch it. You know what I'm saying? I go, well, let's see where this goes. Incest. Incest is trending right now. It's just, it fascinates me. You're the only, probably the only dude looking at porn that was not drunk. I feel kind of like a loser for that. You're throwing their shit off, dude. I'm going around looking at all the titles and seeing what they're, what people are searching. I'm just super fascinated by it. No, it's totally shifting gears and off topic, but I just was on your Insta story this morning. What was that whip cream thing you made last night? Oh, dude. What was that? Yummy. Super, super, super good. Like a chocolate Cocoa Whip thing? What did you do? So I take a can of full, I've done this before, but I've never done it with the Organifi Cacao Bliss because that shit, I know you've mentioned it last time about mixing it at milk, so this is probably what gave you this idea. So the Cacao Bliss is now becoming one of my favorite Organifi products because it's fucking chocolate. It's got no sugar in it though, and it tastes incredible. Cacao has health benefits and there's some other ingredients in there. So it's actually kind of a healthy treat that you can make with Cacao Bliss. So I've made my kids chocolate milk with it, not literally just a scoop of it and chocolate in milk, blend it and give it to them. They love it. And then one thing that I used to do in the past is I would take full fat coconut milk in the can. You have to buy in the can because that's when you get the real deal like fat from the coconut milk. So I get that, I put it in the fridge so it gets cold. Naturally the fridge is the the liquid separates from the fat and the fat gets kind of hard. I scoop out the fat and I throw that in like a blender and then I add a little bit of the liquid that's left in the can and it's usually guar gum or something else that gives it this kind of, it's like... Guar gum. Doesn't that sound like a rock band? Yeah, I was going to see guar at Warp Tour hopefully. Yeah. So I pour some of that in there because otherwise it's way too thick. And I just add the cacao powder. You can add protein powder on top of it or fruit or what I do is I did the cacao powder and a little bit extra stevia and then I blended it and it's really, really creamy thick. It's not like ice cream, it's a different consistency but it's like pure coconut fat with... It's like mousse or something? Kind of, but super, super creamy and thick. It's not like... Just one serving of the cacao. Sounds delicious. One serving for... No, let me think. If I did a full can, I did two scoops. Almost two scoops, like one and a half scoops. And it's pure coconut fat so if you're keto or if you're looking for... If you're keto or low-carb and you want something that's going to give you a lot of energy because coconut fat, something like 60% medium chain triglycerides, make that, it's a lot of calories. So it's all fat. So I made like three servings from it and it's a small amount is all you need. Like you eat a little bit of that and you're like, whoa, that was plenty. Super good though. Was it really good? It looked really good. Dude, it's super, super good. So I'll probably be having that. Try that out. Yeah, a couple times this week now. Well, I'm trying to stay really, really low-carb right now so that'll be a great little... And I have a sweet tooth. So doing stuff like that, I really enjoy tips like that whenever somebody shares with me or... Dude, I'll tell you, one of the benefits of switching your macros is just paying attention to the benefits you get from different macro breakdowns. And I'll tell you, man, I haven't gone really hardcore ketogenic in a long time because I felt like it was time to get out of it, need some carbs and stuff and get some benefits. Different feeling, man. Bro, this is gonna sound funny, but I feel like my vision is better. Really? Yeah. Wow. How weird is that? That's interesting. I feel like my vision is more clear and so I'm not sure if that's a thing. I'm gonna look that up and not sure if it's because my brain is operating better. I do feel more of a steady, smooth focus energy from keto that's different. Is it true that, I mean, your brain operates a little more effectively off of ketones or is it just that you're switching up the fuel source? It's a cleaner energy. So people with dementia and Alzheimer's whose brains obviously... It's like running on tech wrong. Have a tough time using energy. When they put them on a ketogenic diet, this is a clinical application, will have an improvement in cognitive function. It's just a cleaner burning fuel. It's very clean. The mitochondria like using it doesn't create as much waste. Now the drawbacks are athletic performance. You're not gonna perform as great with explosive movements. It may be... There may be some negative issues if people have thyroid issues or other things. I think over time, if you stick ketosis for straight too long, it's just simulating starvation for too long and you'll start to notice muscle wasting, which is what I'll notice if I stay on it for a long time. But otherwise, man, going into it and getting that like focus feeling and stuff, it's pretty... It's like anti-inflammatory. It's pretty cool. I don't know. What are you noticing from it? Because you're still doing it, right, Adam? Yeah, no, I'm actually even looking up at what we have coming ahead on these questions. And Michael, this is a perfect transition in the first question because it pertains to exactly what we're talking about right now. And I am not like following the ketogenic diet to a T. So it's something that when we say stuff like that, I feel like, first of all, one, I hate that we name fucking diets and that there are all these categories. It's like what I love is learning about the things that when I change, especially when I drastically change the way I'm eating, is trying to connect the dots, you know? And every time is a learning experience with me. I notice I'm really, you know, it's funny. You mentioned just on the show, I think on the last episode or two, you mentioned talking about my sleep. And I wasn't even really paying attention to that. I was looking at all these other markers that I really wasn't even paying attention to if my sleep had improved. So I was actively kind of thinking about it last night before I went to bed. And man, I'm falling right asleep for me. And that's not normal. It's not normal for me to just... And consistently, right? So it's not one night. It's not two nights. When I look back since I've gone keto or keto-ish the last four or five nights, I've gotten incredible sleep. I'm sleeping hard. And yeah, just from the fast, I've noticed the same things as far as sleep is concerned and also waking up like with energy again without coffee. And I had, you know, before that, I was really having to... I had like a window of like five, 10 minutes, you know? I'm like, I gotta get my coffee and run to get it. Whereas now it's like, I could go... And I've done this actually to kind of stretch it out a little bit more to get my first cup of coffee to like, you know, hour, maybe, you know, hour and a half later. Now, is this because we are... We're getting into a sympathetic state at a faster rate and then also our blood sugar is probably low? I mean, I'm assuming if I'm going really low carbohydrate, all fat that I'm probably jumping into a sympathetic state much easier and then I'm probably also lower blood sugar. And I would think the two of those probably are what's contributing the most to the deep, quick sleep. You know, it could be balancing out how your cortisol response is happening. It could be the reduction in inflammation. It could be a lot of different things. I can see why eating this way, why some people get so, you know, religious about it. Because if you're somebody that does well on a ketogenic diet, when you switch over, when that process happens where... You're substantial when you switch. Yeah, when that process happens where, you know, my body now switching from, you know, because that can kind of be rough for some people. But if you're somebody that benefits from it, it can feel like a miracle. It can feel like, wow, I'm a completely different person. Now, here's what I've noticed. And I am somebody who does very well eating this way. What I noticed is when I did it for a long time, when I stayed on it for too long, I started... The benefits started to diminish. I started identifying that my body needed a change. I noticed that too. That's the important thing to understand here because what works for your body now is not... 100% not guaranteed to work for your body tomorrow. It's just the way it works. Things change. Your body adapts. You know, your body may develop new intolerances. You may have different requirements. This is how I feel about the fasting. This is how I feel. I feel like the people that want to say they fast, and they fast almost every day. They do like a 17-hour fast every single day. I think that after you've been doing that for a certain amount of time, and I don't know what that is, and I'm sure that it's different for every single human being. Yeah, for sure. But I do believe that at one point, your body gets really efficient at eating that way, and then the major health benefits that you probably got the first time you did it are nowhere near the same as what you are now. And so I would argue that it's probably more beneficial to eat on a more regular basis and then intermittently throw in these 24 or 48-hour fast to really shock the body. I'm going to have to... Yeah, I really like using it as a disruptor, you know, to kind of come in and then challenge me basically to kind of stretch, you know, my metabolic efficiency and like make sure that like, okay, now I'm going to run on a different process here. And so this is like kind of that moment where now I can recalibrate and I can focus, you know, on something else and then come back. And eventually I end up doing a similar routine down the road, but it's like, you know, this is a great way to interrupt that. You know what, I completely agree because even if we're looking under the context of evolution, which a lot of this, a lot of that backs up a lot of the why fasting is good for us and why eating a particular way is good for us, because our bodies evolve that way. Or at least we believe that for the most part. It makes sense that if we were fasting as, you know, people through evolution, we weren't fasting every day to a particular... Like it wasn't like we didn't eat till 3 p.m. every day. What was probably more likely was we had food and we ate it whenever we wanted to and then, oh fuck, we have no food, you know, so we're going to have to go without food for a few days or whatever. And that happened intermittently in that particular sense. Not necessarily super scheduled or whatever. So I have to agree, I think I've done intermittent fasting on a regular basis where I, you know, every day I don't eat until... Two o'clock or whatever. Or until six or seven p.m. I used to do it till six or seven p.m. every day and I got great benefits and then I started to notice... They trail off. Well, I started to notice some negative, actually. Almost like I was burning myself out. I was too much of a sympathetic... I did the same thing. Response all day long and recently we just did the... I just did the 72 hour fast. Amazing. I feel fucking amazing from it and so I'm just going to... I think what I'm going to do is kind of listen to my body, sometimes not eat during the day, sometimes eat during the day, you know, sometimes keto this and that. But I'm going to use... Utilize these longer fast, not regularly, but semi-regularly where I throw them in every once in a while because I'll tell you what, dude, my... How's your digestion after your fast? Oh, amazing. My poops are awesome. Fucking ridiculous, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I get like excited. And it re-calibrates my hunger. Yeah. Like, I don't crave anything that... You know, it's easy. It's almost like it's making... It makes everything easy. And I hate to say that because I know people listening are going to be like, oh, cool. I want to start off my diet with a fast. Like, I don't think you should use it that way. I'm just observing how I feel and I do feel like, you know, you could put foods in front of me right now and it's not... It's so much easier to resist and I know it's the fast. I know it's because I fasted for 72 hours. We put reserves on all this stuff all the time but it's like if you have a healthy relationship with food to begin with, that's where we start, right? We've... Whatever we can do to build you to that point where you look at food in a healthy way, now we have the opportunity to do some experimenting. Yeah. This is just like one of those things. You self-experiment and you do it in a measured way and you, you know, use it like that. Totally. Use it for the health benefits. Totally. Adam, are you going to go until you feel like you need to change or do you have a schedule? Yeah, no. That's exactly what I'll do. I have no set date when I will transition in or out or what I plan to do right now. I'm just, I'm kind of... What I'm enjoying is I notice this that every time I either go keto or I diet really hard is I notice that my body all of a sudden, like I'm thinking about salads and fruits and vegetables like that. I don't get that normally. Like I don't have these days where I'm like, you know what, I can't wait to get home and just have a big old thing of Brussels sprouts or I just can't wait to have a bowl of berries, you know, like those things, I don't normally desire those things until I actually fast or go on a restricted diet like we're kind of on right now. And I love that. I love it. And it's similar to what you're saying where, you know, if someone threw like a, you know, a burger or a food that maybe I would really like on a regular bit right now. Like that would, it makes my stomach uneasy just thinking about it. Weird. And what sounds really good is something light and easy that my body would really enjoy. I feel that way right now and what my goal is to try and keep that feeling for as long as I can. So I've been, I mean, I've been really low calorie yesterday. You know, we had, what do we have for? Oh, she brought me the, Katrina brought me the eggs, bacon and avocado for breakfast. And then all I had for dinner was bison, sweet potato and green beans. And I had a very small four to six ounce serving of sweet potato with the bison. What are you keeping your, what are your carbs roughly at? I know you don't, there's no targets, but you're, you're under a hundred. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And I'm under a hundred. I'm probably even under 50 right now on some days. So, but I can also tell too, I'm a little tired. So I know I'm underfed. I can feel that. Oh, just because the calories. Yeah. But I'm not moving, you know. So that's what I'm doing. I'm like, I know I'm stepping less than 2,000 steps a day. This thing is killing me right now. So I have, I can't go for a walk. I can't do anything with this boot because the walk is killing my back because it's shifting my hips. How's your pain in the foot since doing this? Did it affect that at all? What do you mean? Your Achilles. Did the pain go down from the fast in the keto? God, you know what? It's hard. I know it's killing the whole time. I would hate, yeah, I would hate to draw that conclusion. I 100% feel better right now, but, and the inflammation is down also, but I'm also two weeks, over two weeks now, three weeks into this injury. And I've been in a boot now for over a week. So I probably attribute more that to that being protected like I am now. So at nighttime sometimes, I mean, I take it off and I know the doctor wouldn't be happy to hear this, but I take it off and I got to kind of hobble to the bathroom, like in the middle of the night, I'm gonna fucking strap the boot up at three o'clock, three times, right? And it doesn't take much of me walking around on it for it to start to swell up again. So it's definitely, there's a lot of damage still there that I'm dealing with. And I know that the boot protects it more than anything right now. And so I wouldn't try and draw that correlation without being able to study that better. Interesting. Doug, bring on the bird. Today's Qua is being brought to you by Chimera Coffee. It's the only coffee that is infused with all natural nutrients for a cleaner, calmer, and more focused buzz without the crash. Click the Chimera link at MindPumpMedia.com and input the discount code MindPumpACheckOut for 10% off. It's the motherfucking Qua. The eagle has landed. The eagle has landed. Our first question is from literally Onika. When you guys talk about eating keto-ish, what would a day of eating look like for each of you? Yeah, this is a good question right now, especially, right? Right, because what we're in. Keto-ish? I mean, that was what I was explaining, right? That this was a great transition in this question because we were on that right now. We're talking about that right now. And you, you probably just got your answer from what Sal asked me as far as possible. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm sorry about that. Yeah. So, all right, I'll tell you yesterday was a higher calorie day for me. Just happened to be that way. In the morning, I had a very small portion of lamb. So, you know, we like to make lamb chops. So I had one, I don't know what it's called, one chop, one, you know, the little drumstick-looking thing. So I ate one of those and I ate four egg yolks and I ate a small bowl of broccoli that we had baked the night before. Then, later on in the day, I had probably, I would say maybe maybe two ounces of macadamia nuts. I had a can of sardines. I had an avocado with olive oil on it. And I had some more broccoli. And then for dinner, we had, my girlfriend made incredible dinner. She made ratatouille. You guys ever have ratatouille? Ratatouille. So it's like this vegetable soup. I mean, I watched a movie. Yeah. It's, I've never had it before. Really fucking good. It looks good. Really good. There's eggplant and zucchini and tomato in there. So I had a bowl of ratatouille. I had string beans with pecans. Then she took soul, so type of fish. And she breaded it with coconut flour. And then in a pan with butter kind of cooked it in a pan with butter and put this like butter lemon sauce on it, whatever. So I had fish. And then later on after that, I had the coconut, you know, fat dessert that you were talking about that we talked about earlier with the cacao bliss. Today is probably going to be a lower calorie day. And all I've had this morning was I had my chimera coffee and I put a tablespoon of coconut oil, a tablespoon of butter in it. And I put the, again, the Organified Cacao Bliss in there. And I'm probably not going to eat again till probably 3 p.m. And at 3 I'm again likely going to have some, we have lamb that's left over. So I'll have some lamb. I'll have some some string beans. And then not sure what I'll have for dinner. But that's kind of what how it follows for me is where I tend to prioritize fat. I'll make sure to eat at least 100 grams of protein, although I'm not necessarily counting. It's probably it's definitely 100 to I'd say 100 probably averaging between 100 to 130 grams a day. And then carbohydrates, whatever I get in the in the in the form of vegetables. And it's usually non starchy vegetables. I'm not going to have any potato or anything like that. What are you doing? So like let's see yesterday I had a spinach salad with olive oil and like a balsamic with chicken and I also had it with like goat cheese. And so and and walnuts or yeah, those walnuts. Yeah, those walnuts. I don't know. I don't know. There's a couple different kinds of nuts that I'll use occasionally just to throw that in there. And then for dinner we had this this cool dish that Courtney is getting a lot of recipes from more of like these like paleo kind of options. We used some cauliflower rice and so we used that in a bowl with shredded chicken and she actually put like guacamole on top with like this kind of a red like tomato onion sort of medley that made it taste somewhat kind of Mexican but it was just Mediterranean it sounds like. Or is that okay I have no idea. It was really good and rice cauliflower had a healthy portion of that. Yeah. So I mean it's like I said it's kind of a little more on the paleo are you guys purposely avoiding like grains and Yes. That's our that's really our goal with this is to kind of like steer in more in that direction. What do you do with the kids? Do they eat that because that sounds delicious but it sounds like something. My oldest does which is great. He's like you know we've it's taken a long time but he's kind of a cauliflower pizza with him. He'll eat that and so add like pepperoni and you know cheese and like kind of like a regular kind of a standard pizza with him. But and then he'll eat carrots and a little bit of broccoli but you know that's about as far as we get with him but yeah my oldest he's very receptive to it which is great. I think the point of why we use the word keto ish is that none of us subscribe to any one diet like of eating. I think that's why when I reference we're following something keto I say keto ish because I think that people will recognize the types of foods that I'm eating probably fall mostly under keto but I'm also not you know following the the protocol for a keto diet where oh god I don't I gotta make sure I stay under 50 grams of carbs in case it kicks me out of ketosis for a minute like no I'm not really fucking worried about that I'm more targeting really carbs for the most part especially starchy ones like Sal saying and but if I mean if Katrina made two meals tomorrow that both of them had sweet potato in it like I'll eat it regardless of it puts me out of ketosis for fucking three hours you know I'm saying I'm not hung up on that I know and I know my body digest that really well and it agrees with me really well so what I'm trying to do is stay away from all things that my body I know isn't good for my body that I shouldn't have in there and I know it doesn't affect me well so for me it's more like that and do you guys digest fats better than than let's say carbs or doesn't you do I don't know I've I've felt yeah for me personally like yeah I don't I I tended just to naturally steer kind of low-carb but like yeah I just I feel better the digestion and protein yeah yeah weird because I know now here's a thing by the way with keto diet I know a lot of people that will try to eat that way and they can't it fucks up their digestion either you'll give somebody a bulletproof coffee or something that's high fat and it gives them straight to the bathroom it gives them the shit this is me if I go to extreme keto so I that's why I was asking I've already figured this out that you know my stomach is a little uneasy when I go really high especially where the fats come from so if I'm getting it from oils, butter sources like that not so well I do find with high fat meats I feel like a protein right so but if it's a pure fat I have to be very careful on how much I consume at one time I do much better with a more Paleo-S type of strategy I'm just staying I just use keto-ish it's probably more paleo-esque I don't give a fuck about the names I'm not even close to keto I like to call it Shafer-ish you're eating Shafer-ish I see it's good to know that you need to identify that with yourself on eating a particular way because I've gotten messages from people who are like oh I'm eating keto and either I can't poop and I haven't pooped for four days or I have upset stomach or I feel terrible and it's like yo man your body's telling you that like you're going too far too hard back off of that now me I'll use myself as an example I've no joke here's for 100% sometimes I'll make this I'll make myself some coffee and in the coffee I'll take two minutes of coconut oil one tablespoon of butter and one or two tablespoons of MCT oil oh God that would fuck my stomach slamming that fat you know what I'm on the toilet five minutes I don't know they come from, that can destroy me. And 100 grams of carbs at once is not that much. No, it's not. But I've identified that in myself, and so it's important you know this. See, that agrees really well with me. I could put down easily 80 to 100 grams of carbs, and especially if they're coming from a good source. If it's a good source of carbohydrates for me, my body totally agrees with that. No, if I push carbs all at once, which I've done before, I'm like, oh man, it kills me. And so my body seems to be better at metabolizing or breaking down fats, but that's me, you know what I mean? So that's the important thing. It is the important thing. I think that's what people have to take away from this, is that we're all so uniquely different. This is why I don't think anybody should subscribe to one diet just because- Biodiverse. And just because that one diet that you're following has shown you all these great results, don't stop there. Don't stop there. Dive deeper into what it is. What is it about the diet that makes you feel this way and get closer to connecting those dots and build your own type of thing? And don't marry it. Yes, don't. Because at some point it's not gonna work for you and then you're, because you won't get sexy anymore. Yeah. Next question is from Alex Schwartz. We always talk about phasing training styles. Thoughts on four weeks of only body weight training. Awesome idea. Oh, can I tell you something right now? Awesome idea. I love doing that. We don't talk enough about body weight training and its benefits. And again, it doesn't mean you should always train body weight. If you want to, that's fine too because there's a lot of benefits from weights. But we talk about the benefits of weights a lot on the show. I think a cycle of only body weight training of practicing, you know, and here's the problem with body weight training. A lot of people think air squats, push ups, you know, pull ups, like they think of the basic stuff. Man, you get your hands on some dip bars, some, you know, rings. You practice handstands and stuff like that and you get good at that kind of stuff over a four week period. You are gonna be fucking solid and strong when you go back to the weights. Here's what I appreciate about body weight training. I just appreciate the fact that like, what you can, when you are in the weight room and you're lifting weights, like a lot of times you're not like super responsive with like what your body's trying to communicate to you. So I can't listen all the time because I'm trying to move the weight. So, you know, body weight training allows that opportunity to really like get in tune with, you know, how everything is inner working and how you're feeling through like all these intricate movements. And it just, and like Sal said, you can intensify it. So it's not like you have like this weaning workout that you're working with. Like you can really do a lot with body weight training to where, you know, you're building this different type of a strength that, you know, you're, it's more of that like sort of gymnastic like CNS type training kind of strength. Dude, it builds body awareness in a totally different way. Yeah. It's also probably one of the easiest, safest ways to figure out how you can or should be pushing yourself, right? Like I feel like the challenge with some people, especially somebody who's a beginner into barbell lifting is, you know, I think that one of the most common questions I've ever been asked from clients when they just get started into it is, well, how much weight do I do? Or what, how much should I push? Like what's hard? What's not hard? Should I be struggling to get that up? And like they just, they're at form breaking down. There's a lot more risk involved where learning how to control your own body weight is an incredible way, one, to start somebody. So learning how to control that first. Like if you can control your body weight really well, you're probably ready for you to start to progress by adding a bunch more weight on the barbell. So I think it's great for that. I also think it's a great way to cycle out of training with barbell. So this is for the advanced people. Like deloading, yeah. Yeah, it's a great way to deload. A lot of times I'll do this when I just know I've been hammering the weights for a while. You know, I've been, I've broke through a few plateaus and I've been just increasing my volume each time, month over month type of deal. And now I'm finally getting to that point where it's like, okay, I'm kind of maxed out. I'm working out five to seven days. I'm hitting these long sessions. Like you're pressuring the hinges. Right, exactly, yeah. So like I get into that and that's kind of my mentality. Like, okay, I feel like these little signs that like these aches and pains that are starting to come out, that's where I like really think about. Like, wow, maybe I should do, maybe I should go through a cycle of body weight training and also what's so great about is it fortifies the joints. So now I can focus on really supporting the joints better, which will then improve me going back to the weights. Yeah, the thing with some of the challenges with body weight training is it's not as easily versatile as using weights. You gotta be a little bit more creative. It can require more skill to do like a handstand pushup versus an overhead press for a lot of people. Obviously getting upside down and balancing on your hands can be hard. You know, machines are obviously very easy to use. You just get in there. So those are some of the challenges, but the positives are, I mean, I'll tell you, I did body weight only training for a period of, it wasn't a whole long time, but it was about, I wanna say about three months. Justin did it for a year. I know, he did it for an entire. So I did it for about three months. I did it while I was training Jiu-Jitsu and I just, I don't know what exactly motivated me to do this. I think I was reading old training, old fighter training. So when you read like the old judokas, the old wrestlers, boxers, back in the day, everything they did was body weight. There wasn't any, they didn't use weights at all. And so I thought, you know, let's be kind of cool to try this out. And so I started just doing body weight training. Now here's what I noticed. I had a different kind of control over my body. I felt very aware of my body in space, which came very much in handy in Jiu-Jitsu. I felt strong and stable when I was in positions or when I was gripping someone or when they were on top of me. Now, you got prison strong. Yeah, here, well, here are the downsides. Climbing those butt cheeks. I did notice, that's terrible. Hey man, I'm just, you know. That's prison strong. I'm saying the obvious. I did notice a reduction in, you know, maximal strength, generation and power. I did notice some muscle loss from doing it. So I don't think you should just do one or just do the other. I think they have incredible benefits that you can benefit each other. Absolutely. And, you know, if you've been lifting weights for a long, look, we have a program, we have maps anywhere is one of our programs. It's included in our super bundle. And I recommend everybody in between cycling one of the maps programs. You know, if you, so standard way that we typically recommend people follow the maps programs is maps and a ball. And this is different from person to person, but generally we recommend you start with maps and a ball. You go to math performance, you do maps aesthetic and then you cycle them with the super bundle. What we really recommend, the best way I think to do it is go maps and a ball, mass performance, maps anywhere maps aesthetic or maps and a ball, maps anywhere, mass performance, maps aesthetic, depending on where you're at. Injecting that body weight only training in between your programs, tremendous benefits, better than if you didn't do that at all. It's a huge benefit. I wanna hear, now Justin, you did it for a year. I did, yeah. And so, and this was an experiment, self-experiment, where I had barbell trains forever. Like, and this was like coming off of years of intense barbell training for football and explosive type, you know, power lifts and all that kind of stuff. So I just had never really ventured into gymnastic style training or, and somebody actually, I try to forget when it was, but I think I was introduced to this gymnastic coach who actually kind of changed my mind as far as like put me on some rings and then got me to do some rolls and handstands and things like that. And so this is when CrossFit was just kind of surfacing, but the emphasis, like he was actually teaching this to some of the CrossFit boxes at the time. And so I just got interested in it and felt the effects of when I started just using the rings for dips and then along comes TRX and along comes like a lot of these suspension trainers. And so I just was like, wow, I see potential in a movement happening in this direction. And so for me in my business mind, I was thinking, wow, this will set me apart from other trainers because this is something kind of new wave. And of course you see how popular like TRX and all these things came. And with CrossFit, even at the time CrossFit, they didn't want to accept the gymnastic part of it because they were very much like very macho and like competitive about destroying themselves. So they didn't want to put in the work because gymnastics requires a lot of skill work and time. Practice. Practice. So I realized that and the coach reiterated that to me about like the skill of each one of these movements. And so I just was like, wow, I'm gonna have to take a lot of time with this. And so it just became this process of I'm learning how to get in a hollow body position. I'm learning how to skin the cat and do these types of moves where I'm going upside down and I'm stretching and I'm building range of motion I've never had before in my shoulder and being able to control all this movement and communicate that through my core all the way down to my toes. It was just enlightening to me and I enjoyed it. And so I just got further and further with it and to where I could do like muscle-ups and stuff like that. I didn't get to a point where I was trying to walk around on my hands and all that kind of stuff. I did like handstand push-ups and I really tried to challenge myself and graduate my intensity with it which there's a total protocol for that. So I really did end up enjoying the process but then really missed the barbells, you know? And so I was like, okay, that was great but then, you know, let me come back to like my comfort zone and coming back was like, holy shit. Like everything was so stable in my lifts. My lifts, my mechanics were improved. You know, my shoulder pain I used to have that was inevitable after going through like maybe a cycle or two just vanished. Well, so it was great. Next question is from Lauren Bergman. What do you think is the most needed or is lacking in the fitness industry? Oh, Jesus. Integrity. Yeah, nailed it. Easy, integrity. You could almost say that though in every industry, right? Well, yeah, but fuck, man. Yeah, you're right, but fitness is just, I mean, it's hard. I don't wanna compare it to other industries because a lot of industries are fucked up but when you have a situation where the majority of the information that you get from this industry that is informing you is false, there's a problem and fitness and you ask any trainer that's worth their salt. You ask anybody who's been in this industry for more than 10 years, you ask any fitness coach who works with athletes, ask them what percentage of the information that I get from muscle building websites, fat loss websites, magazines, media, all the stuff that's sprayed out there, how much of it do you think is true and how much of it do you think is just bullshit and most people will agree, most of it is bullshit and that's the terrible thing about the fitness industry that I think needs to change. I do see light at the end of the tunnel though. I do see- I believe we represent that. I believe that what we need, we need a bodybuilding.com that's not driven and motivated by supplements and I really think that that will be our nemesis will be bodybuilding.com, the type of traffic that they get and they provide, and they don't get me wrong, they provide some good information. I mean, they provide a ton of content but I also think that it's heavily motivated by supplement companies and the money they make through supplements and advertising. I think that the fitness industry really needs a place. I don't know if you guys saw the post I did last night with the NBA TNT team, the Kenny and Charles and Shaq, right? And I asked people like, it was really like some great DMs of like who everyone thought each of us were, right? So- Oh, what'd they say? So most people said Doug was Ernie, I was Chuck, you were Shaq and he was Kenny. I don't know, I don't know any of Shaq. Yeah, so and the theory behind that is, those that know, that understand those guys, Ernie kind of runs the show, he actually scripts everything and writes everything down and the organization, the guy who kind of controls the conversation. So that would, everyone said that seemed to be Doug the most. Kenny is the one always coming up with like analytics and numbers and like being that and being, he talks, he speaks in certainties like Sal does. I can see that. Charles is probably the loudest and opinionated and talks, you know, just off the handle all the time and stirs a lot of shit. And then Shaq, you know, just says the least but then has these witty comments. Yeah, yeah, I can see that. But anyways, my point of bringing them up is that, you know, I really think the fitness industry needs that. I really think that we're trying to feel that void of a place where every normal person that's just wants to be healthier and wants to be a better version of themself can tune in and be entertained and educated at the same time. And I feel like you get that kind of formula from something like the group of guys up there, if you're really into basketball, you love their conversation because they debate a lot of good topics and they're all very intelligent men that have been in the sport for a very long time. But they do this, they do it in a very unique way that we never really saw, I think, 20, 30 years ago and it makes for great TV because it's entertaining as fuck. Even if you're not a basketball fan, listening to their conversation on TV is hilarious and it's enjoyable. And I think that we don't have that. I think the fitness industry is so fucking stuffy. It's either super bro-ed out. Super egos. Right, it's either super bro-ed out and fake and bad information and like superficial on one side. And then it's super nerdy, boring as fuck, fucking important. I read about what you're doing and you're wrong. Right, it's like, and I really want us to represent and I believe that we're working our way there. We're not that huge to where everybody in fitness knows who Mind Pump is. I hope one day we become one of the main places that we traffic people through, but that it's a reliable source of information that you know that it ain't gonna be fucking bullshit. You know that it's gonna be a credible source because we vetted it first. Meanwhile, you can be entertained and learn and at the same time have a good time. Like that's, I feel like the industry, this industry lacks that and it needs it. And the irony is of all of this, what- A lot of self-promotion there. What is needed and- Hey, that's what you do. It's a lot of what is needed or lacking in the fitness industry is really controlled by the consumers. So that's the irony of all of this. Like if you want more of something and you want less of something else, I'll give you something else that I can't- Stop liking and sharing. That's it. Here's one thing I can't stand in the fitness industry. I can't stand it to the point where I don't think any of us can stand it. We have yet to do it, but we continue to get pushed to do it. And that's before and after pictures. Can't stand them. Cannot stand before and after pictures because you will not find one that's not doctored. You will not find one that represents the average person. Many of them are not just doctored, but they're complete bullshit. And it's a shitty way of selling something like, hey, take my new pill because look at this guy who lost 50 pounds and now has a tan and a six pack. I fucking hate it so much. We have yet to do before and after ads. This is so superficial. We keep getting hammered by marketing teams where like you guys need to put some before and after. And we have them. We have before and afters. I have lots of people who send us messages. Well, we even get it from consumers too. Consumers want to see. That's right. And that's it. That's just it. That's what makes it tough. It's right. It's like in order for us to get our message out, we got to give consumers what they want. Otherwise we don't have an audience. So a lot of what is needed and what is lacking, we control. So if you don't like the bullshit, if you don't like the flash in the pan, if you don't like the terrible message, stop liking, stop sharing, stop giving them attention. If you don't pay attention to them, they dry out and disappear. And what you pay attention to is what we get more of. So give that attention to things that you think are setting up and doing the right thing. And then you'll start to, you'll see the industry change overnight. If everybody went that direction today, collectively, which never would happen, but let's just say that happened, you would see the industry scramble and change overnight. Websites would change overnight. Information would present it overnight. So it is in our power to move in that direction. Problem is I think everybody has this, whether it be subconscious or they actively know that they have this desire for drama and bullshit and all is, we like crap. It's weird. It's almost like it's built into people where we want to see still. You still want to see, you still want to watch, you still want to be entertained by. Even if you know it's bullshit, even though if you don't subscribe to it, there's still this thing that makes people want it to, you know? It's almost like, will it ever not exist? What's that show, Celebrity Rehab? It would be like a legit rehab doctor, somebody that's like managing somebody to success and like doing all the right steps and all the right things. And then that show comes out, but everybody knows Rehab just being that. How many people have you guys heard talk shit about trash TV? Soap operas and MTV fucking shows and complain about it. Okay, or for example, we were a part of MTV when it started. It was in our generation. So I watched it a lot as a kid. My biggest complaint with it is that it's no longer music videos. It used to be as a kid. I enjoyed music videos, what the hell? I love music and I love music videos and I love that every day I could come home from school I could turn on MTV and I could see the latest songs being played. It's completely changed, why? Because consumers are loving the trash and they wanted real world. How funny, how funny is it that? Cause I remember going through this and I'm more aware now as an adult, but I remember getting pissed off at brands and companies for not giving me what I fucking want. Not realizing that there's not enough of me. That's everybody else. Apparently I'm not like the majority. Yeah, like fuck MTV. You guys don't even play music anymore. Are you fucking stupid company? Just cause they're not giving me what I want. And you get angry about it, but it's not a bad business movement. They're way smarter than you think you are. They're gonna shift on the time. They're following where the trends are, where everybody is subscribing to. Yeah, the market is just simply a reflection of society. And that's the bottom line. Like if you don't want liquor stores on every corner of your neighborhood, your people in your neighborhood need to stop buying alcohol. If you don't want the fitness industry to put out like shit and bullshit and fake stuff, then we just need to stop buying stuff. Stop following those people. That's it, right. Next up is Lorna Grace Fitness. I'm working with a client who's lean with low muscle mass and who primarily needs to improve her very weak immune system. Would you recommend a strength or hypertrophy based program initially? This is a good question because, as Doug's reading this, I'm thinking to myself, well, first off, I would recommend correctional exercise to start with. So neither pure strength or pure hypertrophy. It would be all correctional exercise because you're talking about some with low muscle mass, someone who's got a weak immune system, I would go correctional exercise. But let's say you've finished that part. Now you've given them some stability. You've given them some kind of a solid foundation. Would I recommend you go into a pure strength training course? Probably not because I think they would need to continue to build more control in the eight to solid rep range. This is a perfect candidate for what we just talked about to further maps anywhere. We just discussed two questions ago, body weight training, what a great candidate. What a great candidate to start them first off of that because they're gonna build some strength. They're gonna build some muscle by doing- Oh, we threw in some unique tension-based exercises where I'm really trying to ramp up that CNS response. And I know a lot of programs out there don't even address that. And so what does that even mean? Well, there's ways to build strength in the communication chain and get even more response, more recruitment, which then will, that's like one foundational layer to then bring load into the mix. So now we bring load into the mix and everything's stabilized. Everything is working at its highest capacity. Yeah, I think because on one hand, you can make the argument, well, you wanna focus on maximal strength before you move into hypertrophy because it's gonna- It's not gonna tax her body as much and all that stuff. But here's the problem. I would not trust a client like this with maximal load. No, no, when I see it, when I hear low muscle mass and weak immune system right away, caution. Caution flags go up for me that, sure, maybe, and I don't know this person, and this is where- The company's gonna be tough. You as a trainer, you have to have the awareness to like, is this person 68 years old? Is this person 35? And we're just saying that they have kind of a weak immune system and not a lot of muscle mass. And by low muscle, lean muscle mass, is that person like a twig, like 100 pounds? Or they, you know, you just think they're skinny or lean. Right, so there's a lot of variables that come in here to make- I would always, and as a trainer, I would always caution on the less risk side first and then progress them that way. So for body weight type of a program to start them off and see how they start to respond, addressing diet stuff, getting into tension type movements, like in maps anywhere, like Justin was saying. And then like asking yourself as a trainer, like, does this person, can they start doing a loaded barbell? And, you know, and then maybe you, then you transition them eventually into a maps red pre-phase and then maps red regular and then from there, you know? Cause as, when I took a, if I took a beginner on, it always, it usually starts like this, correctional exercise, then we're going into kind of traditional hypertrophy type of range where I'm looking at anywhere between eight to, you know, 12 repetitions. And then I go strength. So it would be like this, it would be prime, anywhere red. Complete 100%. Prime, anywhere red. That's how, this is why we created all these programs. If you're a trainer, if you're listening right now, and you're a trainer like, and you haven't invested in all the programs, like I would invest in it even if I didn't use it. I'd use it as an educational tool for myself to better program. That's why we created it. We really created all these programs to provide resources, not just for the masses, but also for the professional who could be dealing with- I would love to have all those options, right? Cause then again, you get somebody with very like distinctive, you know, like variables coming in that you're like, oh wow, it'll match best with this. But now I can draw up, you know, a pretty long program based off of like the programs we've already created. Now with a weak immune system, your food and sleep play massive roles in that also, but you're not asking about that. You're asking about just exercise. So, but I do want to say that, like you can do great with your workouts, but if sleep as food is off, the immune system's gonna have a tough time. That's another great point. Like I'd also be wanting to know why their immune system is weak and maybe- What do they mean by weak? Right, and does that mean they have like a really high stress job and so they deal with stress seven days a week. And so, you know, definitely a heavy barbell or a barbell type of lifting routine at first would probably not be ideal for this person. Maybe we're doing more mobility, yoga type work with a little bit of body work in there, you know? So, really tough to be precise without knowing exactly. And exercise does strengthen the immune system when done properly. When done improperly, it will do the opposite. If you train somebody too hard with the wrong movements, you will depress an immune system. Now, all exercise, all exercise temporarily causes a slight depression in immune system, all of them. So, if you go into the gym and you're working out and you are fighting something, the odds that whatever you're fighting is gonna win go up quite a bit. The strengthening doesn't come from the actual workout itself. The strengthening of the immune system comes from after that adaptation process. And I just wanna be clear because I've heard way too many people tell me this bullshit where, oh, you know, I've got a cold, maybe I should go to the gym and run it off, go on the treadmill or whatever and sweat it out or go lift because I think that'll make my cold go away. No, it doesn't work that way. You're gonna go in there and stress your body, which then takes resources and takes energy from your body away from fighting whatever you have and putting it towards trying to recover from muscle damage and all that other stuff. That also doesn't mean though, you sit in a dark room and don't move at all. Movement's okay, you know, go outside and get some sunlight and stuff like that. But definitely, if you're talking about a weak immune system, exercise is one component and it's not even as important as sleep and nutrition. Sleep and nutrition are actually more important in this regard. So get those in check and then add the proper exercise and then you'll see them improve. Check this out. If you go to YouTube, our channel is Mind Pump TV, totally different content than the podcast, lots of new videos. Right now at the moment, we are posting a 30-day workout. So every day it's a new workout. Sometimes it's mobility, sometimes it's stuff in the gym, but it's something different every day and it progresses the whole 30 days. So the workout at the end is far more difficult than what you started with. It's a great way to get started into fitness and it's free, it's on our YouTube channel. Go to Mind Pump TV, subscribe, set up your notifications so you get notified every time we post a new video. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes Maps Anabolic, Maps Performance and Maps Aesthetic. 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