 We gonna have fun, we be on fire, we be the big shit, big shit, big shit, it's a unique hustle nigga, big shit, big shit, big shit, name another podcast like this. Check it, check it, check it, it's a unique hustle, it's your boy E-C-E-O and I'm here with the lovely, amazing official Miss Jamaica. What's going on? None, none, none, you know my dad? Hey man, so how you doing? Blast. Man, truly blessed, right? Truly, truly blessed. Man, if you woke up this morning and you put your pants on your feet instead on your head, listen man, you blessed man. We hear a man say, man, we got a special guest in the house today, man. This guy don't really need an introduction. This guy here a man, like I said, through testing trials, you know, some, you know, you just, you just know that they have made it through, you know what I mean? And God has a tendency to snatch people out of the fire, you know what I'm saying? And it's just so many times, we don't recognize it until after we look back over our life and we see where we came from and where we at now, we was like, man, how did we make it this far, man? Real talk. My guy Jay Holland is in the building. Hey man, I just want to say, man, much shout out to my bro, man. Ever since I met you, you've been a one since day one. Man. And I want to tell you all this, man, we are blessed by the best. And we refuse to ever get in this lifetime, settle for less. Hey man, I agree with that, man. The thing I know, man, is when I heard this, you know, it's, we going to get into it deep. But I always wonder when that boy, Big Tuck said, my nigga Jay had the Jag looking tight. I didn't know who Jay was, but I believe that nigga. Man, but I just thank you, man, for coming on the show, man. It's a blessing, bro, to be able to be in the midst of, like I said, somebody who, you know, you know, already they still got the battle scars. You know what I'm saying? That they've been through it just like you. Like we have battle scars. And when God bring you this far and you still here to talk about it. See, a lot of our friends, man, at 35, you start seeing a lot of funerals, man. You from 35 on out, you feel, we going to one this weekend. It's funeral after funeral. You have to be prayed up. And a lot of people not really ready for that mentally. So a lot of times people are fighting a battle just to make it through. And so man, for us to be able to sit here and have a real, real, real, potent conversation on an August panel like this one. You know what I'm saying? Thank you, Jay, for coming on, man. Man, it's my pleasure, man, for real, for real. You know, you can always tell when you're around a good aura. Because when I first met you, met you all, y'all give me such a good aura. And that good energy is what we need. Because, you know, negative is going to subtract, and positive energy is going to add to it. Man, you talk about it. But as they say, you can't have one without the other. Yep. Then you ain't to the young. Man, I just, you know me, man. I would let you come in on this part, man, and break it down to try to get that research so we can start from the beginning, right? Yeah, yeah. We want to take it back way back. Oh, really? We want to know how was it like growing up, where you were growing up? How you started off? Because as I said, as children, you know, you start out innocent. But we develop into someone else as time goes on because of influence, whether your environment, whether people, I mean, just anything. So I wanted to know how you were raised, your mom, dad, community, the whole works. Okay. Well, basically I was with them. You know, I can't say my childhood was all bad. I was raised by a lot of real old G's. You know, I guess God figured like, since I didn't have a actual father in my life, he gave me a bunch of uncles. And it's crazy how I had four uncles and four anus. And the four uncles, each one of them was a different dude. One was a pimp and a gambler. One was a straight up killer. That dude didn't play. Knocked out all of us in the killer. The other uncle, he was a cunt on us in the thief. I've been there. I know where you're at with that one. And the last uncle was a military. You know, he was actually a straight shooter. You know, he didn't do nothing under the table. He was all on top of the table. But each one of them gave me a different aspect of life. You know, but one thing I would guarantee, they never told me nothing wrong. They told me the best today knowledge. Wow. Yeah, man. And one thing about it, man, is the OGs and the older people that were before us, they had a different set of rules, man. They did. They didn't go by the same thing we went by. It was a G code. It was a G code. And it gets so deep because a lot of times when you start going back so far, and I'm a country cat. So you go back to foottubs and washboards. Yes, sir. I know about that. You go back to a place where when you put your clothes in a washer, the washer might not work the whole time. You have to put your hand on a stick in there to get it to go. And then once you get it to go on real good. Put your clothes on. Before you do that, though, they had this thing that you pull it through. Oh, that looks delicious. Yeah, that looks delicious. That looks delicious. Yeah. So, and that was a time where you built integrity with the kids. People don't talk about this no more. No, they don't, man. But this was a different type of way. If we had some of those same machines today, some of our young men would be in a lot different space, bro. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Got an iron that you didn't have to plug in. You put it on a hot stove. On a hot stove, yeah. And then you press it out like that. And it was heavy as hell, too. I remember. I had one. I had one. I remember. Did you? I had one. Man, and I think about those times. Kerosene lamps, all type of stuff that people don't really experience. Where my grandmother stayed, to this day there's still not no electricity down at the old home place. It never made it all the way down. We had high lines that went through, but the electricity stopped at Aimee Lee House, man. Shout out to my cousin, Charles Rambo, man. Shout out to him. See, we done Rambo down in the country. And basically what would happen is we go up to Aimee Lee House to watch TV because we didn't have one. And we'd have to walk up the road almost about a mile and then peep through the windows and try to have a good time like that, then walk home before we get too dark. Man, I can remember that, you know. Because see, I really had the best of both worlds, like I can see y'all had, too. I had a life that I had in the city. Yeah. But every summer, they sent us to the country. Okay. And that's where I learned how to actually become a real, to me, to become a real man down there. What part? Louisiana. Hey, that's it. What part of Louisiana? Man, I'm going to tell you, have you ever heard of Manny? Manny. What is it by? I think the closest one to be Pleasant Hill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Pleasant Hill. Man, when you go down 20, you start hitting all them little towns, man. They go by fast, man. Yeah, they do. Then 49, as we went to New Orleans, we had to go through that route. And what I liked about there, because the uncles out there, they taught me different stuff like, hey, look here, we're going to teach you how to plant seeds. You're going to go out here in this field, you're going to plant seeds. And you know, then we're going to come through, we're going to till the ground. Then we're going to water it. We're going to learn how to feed horses. You're going to learn how to feed chickens. You know, how to feed the pigs slop. It was a whole lot of stuff that I learned out there. Basically, survival skills. Like if the grid went off right now, they're going to know how to survive down there. And you keep talking about your uncles. So where was your dad during all this time? He was living his best life, you know. I mean, we cool now, you know. So as a child, you didn't know him or he was just not a part of your life? I knew him. Like I used to see him pass by and convertibles, you know, you know, hanging out with the people he was with. And I used to be like, hey, mom, you said that's my dad, right? She's like, yeah, I'm something to go speak to him. She'll grab me by my ear. She'll say, hey, if he want to talk to you, he know where you at. Oh, okay. So you didn't get to talk to him? No. How old were you when you spoke to him for the first time? You know, that was when my football career was going real good. And I was all in the paper, so he was kind of, you know, like that kind of, I don't want him tired of pairing moves. Yeah, I was just about to say that, where he came, what was that movie called, where he came there whenever he was getting a... They had that other guy that was really a basketball player. Terry Fox. Yeah, Terry. Exactly. That was a good movie. And then the boy ended up getting shot, didn't he? Yeah. He had some good parts in there, man. So did you, what did you say to him and what did he say to you? I was like, based on something like, where you been, man? Like, you know, what's up, you know? And he was like, well, you know, you know, everybody had a different version. So sometimes, you know, it's day version, this person version. And the truth. And the truth. So, you know how they go. And, but y'all are good now. You built that relationship. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, I ain't going to buy him no role here nothing but you. But I definitely, you know, I'll get him some of these. That's my part. We good. We cool. So you have children of your own? Yes, ma'am. And you're compensating for? Of course. And I had actually had one of my dolls. I've talked about this earlier. She said, Dad, I think you kind of messed us up. I said, how's that? She said, you gave us too much. Much. She said, you should have whipped us more and gave us less. Wow. That's that's dope, man. A lot of people fall in that trap, though, because they didn't have so they overcompensate. But what they didn't have thinking that that's what their children need, but it's not always. And it's not my mom. So I never forget one day I was going to go drop off like $500,000. And some Georgians, you know, like to the kids. And she said, when you spend some time with them, I said, well, I got a I got a grind. I got to, you know, I got to provide for them. And she said, well, she's I'm going to tell you like this, her son, it's more than being a father than just buying a pair of drawings and dropping off for $500. And I thought about, she said, like they need you. They need that time. Throw a ball around with them. And at the time, I won't really listen to them. But as you get older and they get grown, you'd be like, wow. You know, I get the streets everything I had and my kids got the crumbs. But didn't you say your dad used to ride by in certain cars? So did you see yourself somewhat in your dad as you grew older? You know what I mean? You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Me and him born on the same day. We both born on April 10. Wow. And mama said she tried to hold me in. She did not want me to be born on this birthday. I love it. Like, I'm not going to give him that. No, but it's so crazy because then your dad didn't spend that time with you because he was always moving and shaking. But you turn around and you didn't spend that time with your family. You're out there grinding and hustling for them. But when I think about someone overcompensating, I would think that they're overcompensating because I didn't get that time with my father. So I'm going to spend as much time I'm going to be in their business all the time. I would think that's the way. I mean, but in my case, it was more like, I didn't have no financial support. So I was the kid that had one pair of pants and three shirts for the whole year. That's how you try to do it. So I was like, I'd rather bust my tail and so they won't be the outcast. You're an outcast. And at least I want to do that. And I know I won't be you know, I can sit back and love on them all day, but love at that time, I know like love, I'm going to pay no bills. Love, I'm going to get them everything they need. Love, I'm going to pay for, you know, the lessons they need to go to this and go to that and football and, you know, different stuff they needed. Wow. Just just when you was coming up, let's get to like, how did you end up in the streets? Like just the whole street category of just, you know, the hustle mentality? How did they come about? You know what I mean? I ain't going to lie to you. I used to really be like a say no to drugs type care. You know, I was, you know, positive, you know, playing football, working at the piece of place, washing dishes, you know, I was the average Joe Smuck. You know, I was just, I was on the program. I was on the Hamster Wheel. I hate work. You can get it if you work, you know, type person. I did it before I go with it further. That's what, that's what my boy Drake came out. I still, I still express that I don't smoke weed or cyst cause it's known to give a brother brain damage. But then the next album is chronic. Yeah. You get the money had switched. Yeah. So the mentality was like, dang, we got to try to figure this out. Now everybody go, it's cool to put a big old marijuana leaf on here. Now it was say no to drug campaign. Yeah. And I'm going to tell you about how that goes. See our ego is our worst amigo. Wow. Especially when it comes to us men. Wars were started behind egos, behind this woman liking you but she don't like me. And I never forget and I don't want to do too much cuss but I never forget I watched a video one time a white lady asked Luther Campbell, Uncle Luke. She said, what is the difference between a B and somebody who screw everybody? He said B is an H.O. who won't give you none. Wow. So so and so what happened to where you seen yourself sparring out of control, you know, to where you in the street life, you know, to where where you hit that bump where you knew, you know, it was heavy but then a lot of people were dependent on you. Yeah, it was like, you become a quarterback. It's been on your position and I was a quarterback. So I don't know if I got my whole team lost. Yeah. So it was like, I took on all that pressure and it's like, I really started off. I ain't gonna put all guys out there because he saved that man. It, he was, I used to see, I used to drive him to go do what he do. Make it drop. So it was like, and I was like, looking at, I'm sending all this money they spent on like, they're for you, you know, this is what it is. I say, so what is that right there? He say, this is what I smoke. I said, okay, what did you pay for that? He say, I pay 50 bucks. I said, okay, what are the little bitty pieces? You know, he was like, oh, those are worth 10. So I counted them. I said, so that's like 120. I said, you know, you're like, yeah, I see. So you spent all the drugs and stuff went out the door for me. I'm like, say, man, this is some profit. Yeah. And for I knew it, man, it's like, I heard a biggie saying one of the songs. They say, I've been in this game for years. He said it made me an animal. And so for, you know, you become so greedy. You ain't no better than the people that you fool with. I got greedy and I was out of control. I wanted to make up for everything I didn't get as a kid. I tried to make it up. Yeah. Yeah. Being that part person that uncle, that our stories are so similar, man. You know, we've seen these guys back in the days, some of them that was in the south, the Lonnie Sounders, R.I.P. the Lonnie Sounders, man. R.I.P. You know, different people that I knew back in the day had a son named Bobcat, Bobcat still around. Yeah. But at any rate, well, you know, you would see these cats coming three, four Cadillacs to the country. And then we was in the country doing our thing to understand, you know, you know, man, how this money is, these are financial games, you know, because hip hop really cultivated to something else for our young youth, which I'm happy about that. But during the time we talking about our hip hop, our entrepreneur spirit came through drugs. Yeah. And so we was able to hustle and make ends meet. Like you had never heard of somebody hiding eight and 10,000 and getting up to 10 million. And nobody ain't seen this count of money. And when you do this and then everybody else around, they thank you to man. The whole process of them, the aura when you come in the room or if you put some money out and you had to stow, everybody know you to man or if you're the only one with the sack, everybody know you to man and everybody respecting you man and you feel like the president of the United States transform from being an average Joe smug to now you to man. Yeah. So it's like going from you know, you been to do the there's washing dishes to the do owning the whole building. So it's like a, you know, it's a sense of power, you know, and sometimes, you know, what I didn't learn, I didn't know then that I know now with a lot of power come a lot of responsibility. Then you look up man, you making decisions just changing people's lives, you know. Yeah. And you listen to that music. Man, man, I'm gonna listen to that scarf. I start a small time. Don't game. Yeah. Yeah. Say, man, you know, you listen to that ice cube, you know, different stuff. Yeah. Once upon a time in the project, yo, I damn near had a record. Oh, yeah. Knocked on the door. Who is it? As I do come to pay a little visit to you. You're on top of what's up with them? You know, you go through these things in your head. And you start living it. Then you start living it. We saw it. So it has a lot to do with how you Of course. Yeah. I'm not going to sit back alive in music. You know, I'm not going to lie that music was influenced. Yeah. And it still I'm not going to say that it made me do that, but it just give you that like, man, man, I want this. I want this. I want this. I'm hearing them rap about, you know, they too short would come through and say I'm a player and I'm playing just to play. And it would mellow you out. It did. People don't realize this whole music was a roller coaster ride. It sure was. You could ride with a Luke and you didn't think about no drug and you were thinking about getting a woman. You did what I'm saying. So the only different phases was some of them was good, some of them was bad, but all of them was being a young person coming up in this necessary. And also the same dudes that, you know, you listen to face and they also kept me close to God. That's it. He always, he was very special. I never seen a man cry till I seen a man die. You know, it was stuff like that that would put things. So, and that was a different type of music. Because today's music is not like that. It's more, it's more everything you gotta, you gotta, you stepping. Yeah. You outside. Yeah. You see what I'm saying. So it's a whole different time. And, but then there are some artists out there but they over saturate the market with the other stuff to where you have to get to it. Yeah. To get to it. Yeah. So just, when you, because I see the necklace is this Shice House. Yes sir. Shice House. What, what, before you get into that with being, doing what you did, what changed your life? What made you stop? Because really, I had to be intact. I was like, I'm going to do this till I get killed. Right. Which mostly 90% of them. A thousand years, whichever one came first, I was like, I'm going to leave it up. Okay. And, basically what ended up changing me is, send a lot of people you love, die. Send a lot of dudes. I got an arm full of tattoos of dudes I used to run with on a daily. You look up and these people start disappearing. And then you start thinking, I could have changed a lot of this had I been a better influence. You know, then you start seeing these kids and I'd never forget one time it was a dude. He used to bring his daughter with him, you know, it hit my heart. Because he dragged this little girl with him all the time. Do you remember how old she was at that time? She had to be about four or three. Okay. And I remember telling him one day, I don't know if some just, you know, first, you know, I had them tell her to like, oh well, they mean that's it, that's on them. And that's BS. It's on you. If you have a chance to do something, you need to do it. When God puts something on your heart, you better follow it. Otherwise, he going to punish you. This is your last time, dog. You been out bringing that little girl back out here. You from, not grabbing, you from go get a job, you know, I said, you ain't from back here still doing that little girl love you, man. You all that girl got. I said, man, this is it. I said, if I even think I heard about you being in the world, I'm going to do something to you. Man, they do my right hand. The dude got a job, working for the city, cleaned himself up. The daughter graduated from school. And that, and that, that's amazing because if you didn't do that, you never know where that little girl would have ended up. Yeah. You know, he might still have passed away if you don't know, but she might have ended up in a worse situation because a lot of time we don't live our life for ourselves. We live it for others, for our kids. You know what I mean? You pass it on to other generations. That's really how we should live our lives. You just reminded me of another story. I remember I was at a McDonald's one, the same Jack Tuck folks. So I remember pulling up to a McDonald's, me and some of my dudes and we going and we are in some and the little youngster was like, wow, that's your car? I'm like, yeah. So they run outside looking at it. They said, sir, can we take pictures of your car? I said, go ahead. I ain't tripping. They went to the, well, that's back when they had to dispose of the camera. They ran the acres or somewhere. I don't know what one of them place came back taking pictures and all that. And I never get one of them was like, man, I don't like this. And then some just click. No, that's why I call that God that it hit. I said, you know, I'll put you down. What you talking about? Man, I said, what grade y'all in? We juniors. I said, look, I'm going to put you down. I'm going to put you on that flow. If I catch y'all out in these streets, I'm going to beat y'all down. I'm going to have whoever I'm with beat y'all down. If I have somebody else tell me y'all doing something, I'm going to have them beat y'all down. They were like, but how? I said, no, you keep working. Well, I said, oh, that's it. If y'all work up her, that's y'all out. Then they were like, they were so scared. I grabbed my all body, you know, lift them all up, you know, you know, and I never give in. And I ain't seen them. You know, I want to tell them, but I ain't seen them for a while, but I kept my ears out. Like y'all know, but yeah, they ain't been out here. I was at a restaurant one day. This was around the time when all that shooting was going on with the police down there. And I never get done. I seen the police pull up and then I had another car out there at the time. And I seen them looking at the car. They come in. They were tactical, you know, so I'm eating my food. I see them kind of looking. I said, here we go. I said, here we go. So I'm trying to ignore them. You know, you see them out there peripheral, but I'm like, man, let me just keep eating. So they get their food. And I see them tapping the other officer, pointing at me. I'm like, here we go. Here we go. Then you walk over, they say, I'm sorry, I'm being disturbed. I said, but what are you doing, did you just have an orange jaguar? I'm like, here we go. I said, yeah, why, what's up? He said, you remember me and my partner right here? I said, no, I remember y'all. He said, we used to work at their McDonald's. Wow. And he said, man, we just want to let you know, man, that talk, you scared us so straight that we were like, we're going to be on the other side of this. I just do scared us straight. Wow. And he was like, we just want you to know, I know it's a lot of bad cops out here. He said, but we, he said, pray for us, man, because that shooting, all this stuff was just gone. I say, all right, man. Then I gave him like a little, you know, little dad hug. They remember you. Yeah. I said, God bless y'all. Y'all be good, man. He was like, all ready. How did that make you feel? It was a different kind of feeling. You know, I ain't double feeling that. You didn't expect it. I didn't expect that. God is something else, isn't he? He is. But let me ask you this, man, you spoke on the Jag looking tight. This verse that we hear so much. This song in Dallas is crazy on that south side of the realest. And when he put you in that verse like that, did you know that was coming? Or did you see that coming? Were your friends with him? Oh yeah. That was my boy. You know what I'm saying? But did you see that coming? He told me he was going to put a lot of us in the song because he was writing. I mean, I was right there when he first started writing it. Okay. And then he was like, he was letting me hurt. He was rapping over the Tupac beat. Oh yeah. That's tight. I think a lot. I didn't think it was going to be like it is now. But it did. But so he was sitting there. How did you and Big Tug end up? We stayed on the Science Street and I'm going to give you some history about. Okay. I want to hear about that. About the mean Eugene. You know, he said moving dies on the mean Eugene. Eugene, yeah. Let me tell you about Eugene Street. Three music people came off Eugene Street. Me, him and the blind Ray Charles. Okay. He has a house on Eugene Street. It's going to be a historical movie. Really? Yeah. You're talking about the Ray Charles vision. You can Google it right now and say South Dallas house, the Ray Charles grew up in you. It's in South Dallas? It's in South Dallas. That was cut out the movie. Are you serious? Serious. It was a heart attack. How the heck did they cut that out? And how could they miss that? Who knows, man? But you Google it, you're going to see it. That house is going to be a gray looking house going to pull up on the corner. And so, and that was Eugene Street. So, and he was much older than you. And when did you find out that that was even a part of the history? I can't even remember. I mean, matter of fact, my pops and them, they were like, say, we grew up, but I thought it was drunk, maybe making up some stories, you know. My auntie was like, I used to be teaching the piano lessons. I got two twins. Really? And one of them said, I used to teach them, you know, piano stuff. They went live. That's crazy. I did my research, and I was like, damn, they telling the truth. Wow, man. So when you look back on the history where you and Big Tuck and him was together and this was going on. So he already was signed to no, not yet. He was just, he was in the processes of getting all that done. And it's like, he really was my actual first artist. Really? So he was your first artist on Shice House. He was my actual first artist. Really? Yeah. And we, matter of fact, we were the second CD that the definition DJ, DJ drop put out. Really? I ain't know that. Mixed Tape. And so, how did, okay. And so you, he was, how did y'all meet? We had to, we grew up on the same street. Yeah, I don't know what I'm saying, but you, you seeing him as a kid, because you older than Big Tuck, right? So they, they just came, how led me and they was like, hey, J, you know, help us to the game, you know. So I started helping them to the game, you know, and we had some, we had some ties, man. Ain't a lot of men tug out so many experiences, man. They're gonna be rolling. He can't come now without you. All right. But, but you know, I just look at, like I said, that's, that's how I knew J. I never knew who J was to the day we met, but I always knew that from like, damn, J must have had a nice car. You know what I'm saying? And he pretty much was, he's seen that evidently on that street when he was there. You know, and that's what stuck out to him. Yeah, he's always gonna swoop. Man, that was my boy, yeah. Plenty of times. Plenty of times. Man, that's dope, man. We rode out of town. We were, man, we just sat up on the floor to turn, man, we took that Jag all the way out of town. For real? Yeah. So, and that's the part that people don't understand. That's the part of music that you love, that it sets a staple in history. Yeah. You didn't know it was gonna be that big of a song, but that song is like the main song in Dallas right now. Like when you think of Dallas, that Tum Tum, nigga, I'm from Dallas. Yeah. And that Old Cliff, that's my hood. There are staple songs that, even I like that Dunn, Chief, the one where, where it, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, Dunn, That's it. That's it's a staple that almost reminds me at first when I started the glance. I thought of switcher house That's the first thing I thought of really. Why did you come up with that? Look, you know what? I'm gonna be honest with you was like I wanted to be like reading the skeleton head was to represent You know like caution and also represent the bear essence. Yeah, you know so cuz the skeleton came show two faces No, when you take that face off, you gonna see the bear essence of a person the house meant Everywhere we go as a house. Yeah, you don't say now everywhere we present ourselves or is our house So I was like the reason why I call it shots. I said check that shite before you enter my house Tell it before you go in the house and you yeah, that's it. Yeah, so check that shite at the dope take that two-face off Come into your bear essence into my house. Wow. I want to ask you about about The like you a little bit ago. We talked off-screen about your health I'm afraid I that's always gonna get into that but I had one more question to ask Cuz you're telling all these stories of different people you've met out of curiosity cuz I have to ask this question Have you ever met Pimsy? Yeah, well, I'm for them. Whoa, that's it girl There you go, man, now you're learning you learn in the game man. That's all right right now I'm a big Pimsy fan. So yeah, you got something on that. I got to get that for the awesome history with that We were actually related to Pimsy and I didn't even know it when he was alive cuz you said you go to Louisiana Yeah, and that's what our family last night the main family when we had a family unit is called the butlers Okay, a bunch of yellow, you know, this yellow dog, but they all realize again, and they you know, they're real sad See, you know, you know, so that's our family last night our main family we come from is the butlers And Pimsy dad may he rest in peace as well, you know pop see me and snake We was like this with that was like our pop we kind of pop man. That was our pop Okay, and before he passed he left me a snake a lot of You know stuff too, man, you know, that was pimp dad man. He's tell us so many stories about pimp Yeah, did you actually ever meet? You know, I did but when I met him, you know, I didn't know You know all on the one time. I was like I had the little thin beard and I had a mean coat on Have a little brim tilted and I'm a bumpy spot. I mean what they say He wiped his eyes. He said Yeah, he's like there and they gotta take a second take. I thought you was pimp. Dang That's how that that's how close he's seen it up and I would have never knew that Always dress like that and I had that same, you know, I'm gonna make me coat up, you know, I like Yeah, yeah, what was uh, what was your what was one of your biggest purchases man when he was in that street life Well, it was something that you like when you done it you couldn't believe you had done I had that opportunity Well for one with properties to you know, okay, did you pay cash? Oh, yeah, but you know at the time I'm not knowing I was making a paper trail, right, which wouldn't And also I say like this bottom rollies and you know, yeah, I mean 50 Really, you know, we really was trippin, but you know, it was a competition. Yeah, I remember her JZ say One is jams and they said we ate each other's throat for the love of these foreign cars So it's like it was a competition out here. See there it is again. The music have a lot to do with it Yeah, so I heard that the money and the things they go get some more money I ain't gonna lie man when and it's just being a wonder from back in those days the names you would hear You know, you guys are these the eyes of staples the Ray Charles is and the Mexican roses and kennel homes and All these you're all these different folks man. The history of the streets people don't really you could write a book about it Okay, whether K5 K max. Yeah, I'm calling some names now You know I'm saying just the real streets You know what I'm saying and and a lot of people talk about it But they really never really got in the midst of and it was out there in it It's a different time period, bro Yeah, when you come from a place where you had no I didn't have no buffer. I'll go anywhere and do anything So that make you different at the time that we came up Yeah, what no hood that I wouldn't go in and I'm she knows I'm like that now when I go to Chicago wherever I just look at it as these my people. So I always go to every hood, you know, I'm saying it don't matter I'm in Vegas. I'm on the West Side. You know, that's how I am Where we go it's different now because you have a family so when you're young and you have nobody you don't care about nobody So you go places that you like you don't care about the consequences or whatever But when you're with family you moving with family you take certain precautions like yeah, I'm gonna go down here But it just depends on how it look if I'm gonna stay down here correct So it just depends but then another thing also is we walk by faith now So yeah at the end of the day we going with a difference We running around trying to figure out ways to be a blessing to somebody and not a cursing your nose days You like a guy might ride from Dallas and I this is something you might ride from Dallas to Houston and You got it on your mind. You got it. You like if the law stopped me I'm gonna have to do what I got to do. Yeah, you didn't care because you you you was that bold to where you would go and Come and you might have 30 or 40,000 on your whatever you know that they gonna do something to you But in your mind, you say, you know what? It's me or them. Yeah, and at the end of the day, hopefully they don't stop me Yeah, and this was a mindset that that that you have with you in the streets Yeah, a lot of people still have the mindset right now and I pray for a man because we have to pray for him I'm taste this old sense of fooling everything. You got a song part. Yeah, including your life. That's right Now we're gonna get into the hell The part of that obstacle in your life as you you know, once you them you at that time you hadn't already came to like you were You were done with the streets. Yeah, and then this hit you. How was that? How did you gain all that weight though? You know what? And how old were you? Isolating myself in my 40s, you know, and I just isolate myself and you know, just Depression. Yeah, you know, you I went into my own state of depression. You know, I got to the point where it's like You're not the it dude out there no more You're not you know, you still got cars and stuff, but then it's like not a type of money that you used to have Yeah, so you still got money, but you just not you're not relevant So you find yourself, you know, if you're sitting out here drinking doing whatever you do Flipping channels and for you know, Amanda, how how big did you get? How many pounds were you? 510 pounds 510 pounds coming from how much you how much were you before? Yeah before that plop up to 62 70 somewhere. So you doubled your weight. Oh, yeah And and when you when did you when did it? When did your health fail? Like as you got bigger? Well, how long was it before your health? I was in and out the hospital all the time But it didn't get real from because I'm staying about two weeks standing a week come out You know, I don't think people kept telling me hey for a big dude You got a stroke heart, but they say but you're gonna keep on till you damage it Then people warn me you need to lose weight your blood pressure too high Whoa, you need to lose weight like I can't wait to eat ever. That's the way I'm you know, I'm being cracking jokes Then I'll never forget one day Coming from gambling me in my me and my lady friend at the time And I like him if she was like she was a nerd so she was like she knew she's a dude You need to go to the hospital. I said why so your lips are turning purple She said, you know, I was just nice and let me just lay up on this Condition I'm gonna go to sleep and I'd go in the morning. She said no you're going now So really she said my life because I was gonna sleep without them doctor if I would not walk up I wouldn't walk up because I my body was completely Contaminated with whatever there was a lot getting I had sleep apnea all you know I couldn't stay awake from drinking all that serve and Couldn't stay awake, you know, so how long were you that wait for before that actually hit like how many years? Were you fire I plow was coasting about about a good two years with your years? Okay, and so when you went to the doctor, how long did you stay in the hospital before you could be released? I put about a two-year stint and I'll kind of rehab and everything close to yours, man So it basically it took you that long to get down there. How many pounds did you lose? I went from 522 how much right now I'm at about 285. Okay, so Wearing nobody know when I got out actually got out the house, but I was still about 400 so you still lost at least you lost So, huh? Yeah, that's a lot to lose. Yeah, so they started you off on a diet in the hospital Mm-hmm, and then that then they kind of went from there because I couldn't walk talk eat a drink They told me yeah, how much better was it though? Go ahead. You said he told you I don't want to cut you a 1% chance to live That what they said they said 1% brain function in a 1% chance to live and what was it? What was what was it that was actually wrong with you complete respiratory failure? Basically, I was so fat. I was suffocating my organs So when you would walk you had to walk on a walker. You had a four-legged walker I went from the four-legged walker to a cane eventually But I couldn't even with a walk nothing I didn't like to walk from from my house enough from where I was at the bed to the doles of Marathon And did you have your children at this time? Uh-huh. How did your children feel about this? You know they always like daddy you can't you got to take this weight off I mean they used to say it but you know I blow it off You know like oh well, and I mean women used to crack jokes and be like You know when you gonna drop them triple is it you know, I like how they high-side. Yeah No reality. I was out of control Wow And and just a that's a dope story because to see you where you at now and where you came from man That's extraordinary that somebody can do it. I see it on TV But I really never met somebody that actually was able to drop down like that from a 500 pounds all the way back How hard was it? Oh, I'm still battling. You know, I'm still in the process of fighting with it now But uh, but I'm gonna tell y'all this what's the biggest challenge in doing it Changing the eating habits more than anything changing the whole lifestyle where you start working out now instead of just I'm just gonna go out And eat or I'm gonna go to sleep. Oh, I'll do that no more. I see your gym pigeon You sent me a couple of months of that boy getting to it. He ain't playin cuz I would think that after a certain amount of Time of eating a certain way that you get used to it and not really want the bad food anymore I still wanted the bad food but the more and more I've been weighing myself off of it now Like during the vegan options, they got some good vegan out here now So you can do it just like I know I've been I've been hitting the same cofa You know, that was one of the first vegan and the five-star grill in South Dallas. He has a vegan option That's very good. Wow, I like it man Cuz you you one of those guys that make people know that they can't do it You know what I mean? And that's just dope man and to see where you came from to who you are now and all the trials and stuff That God them brought you through cuz you know, God say you fearfully and wonderfully made he say you are a Royal priesthood a holy nation of peculiar people. Yeah, you know, these are things that tells us with him You more than a conqueror. Yeah, these things make you motivated to try to be the best You you can be and I think a lot of times people don't really digest the scriptures like they should when you believe Everybody not a believer, but when you are and you say you believe in God Then you have to start to create this lifestyle that complements what you read Yeah, you're showing them what you're preaching. That's right practice with a pretty yeah But I wanted to know like after you came out cuz when you're in the hospital, you're even what they give you Yeah, you know, it's easier. I said have food stuck in every night But then once you got out though, did you have to have support did you have to who was there for? You to help, you know chair you on to know man, I had my lady friend. She's still hung in there with me You know, we end up, you know, but we're still good, you know And her daughter man, which I consider my baby too, you know, she was man She was there with me every dice teller you don't have to be a person be like now I want to hang out with you Wow, so it's very important to have that support man y'all Y'all better have a support system and art if you go in that hospital Because if you're in there by yourself anything can go Wow, so you're not trying to be in a joke of dead and who you know, the more people they see care about you the more They're gonna work. Wow, man. Thank you so much man for that story now How can people top three artists of all time did or lied? Did a lot number one Yeah, I'm gonna go I gotta give pop hog number one number two pockets on that wall over I gotta get pimped number two number two. I'm gonna say face face face number three three I'm gonna go with cube cube man. That's that's a that's a good top three man. I got a mean top 10 That was to pop scar face and cube man, which is dope charges man Hey man, so how can people get a hold of you if they're was that what you're about to know I was gonna say Do you ever give back as I like help someone whether to get get over their weight or get off the streets? Or just help them with your testimony. I mean people I get it on a daily, you know And it's like even at my church I go to the one rugged cross and we do we give a scholarship every year to the kids is you know We did we give them a scholarship so they go to college. We participate in that We give out you know meals at the church whatever we can do to help You know, and we have a benevolence fun named after my my aunt some over Smith So we also help people, you know, they need we've raised the money and be like here you go Wow I really feel that that could be your one of your calling because for the main stories that you told about Helping, you know just like the two boys who were at McDonald's and stuff like that I guess that scared tactic You still have that in you to go out here and help some of these kids scare straight Yeah, scared them straight into becoming someone greater than who they are right now. Yeah, I'm trying to show them I want to speak life over my death, so I can't participate in nothing I know gonna get your kids, you know, I got to ask him about this before we close this down OGU man, how did you end up being a part? I know we were part of OGU too But how did you end up meeting with those guys and how did that happen? Just started running each other doing the same thing and you decide it was like Jake come on in help us out They say you got a lot of influence out there, so come on man man Jay man Jay Hollen man And how can people reach out to you as he was asking? Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna get you out of here, but I want to leave y'all with this too before anything You know how you hear those stories about people when they have deaf experience and their deaf experiences. They say oh I've seen the devil. I seen a lighter. I've seen this or a donkey with wings flow in You know everybody have a different story, and I didn't believe none of Thank you. I thought there was a loose name on meds. I thought it was lying. I just wanted some attention I'm here to vouch Did hey, man, did it's definitely a guy and when I was in that car I prayed my way out of that coma. I was gonna come for three months Wow, I prayed my way out there coma and I didn't actually see God But I met Satan and that's a whole another story. I don't want to just go but basically everything he said It happened and people he told me was going after and that chromatic wherever I was in purgatory or whatever He went after a lot of people, you know He warned me and then also the way I was able to get out of it. I prayed my way I said God I reach out to you. I surrender. I Said I completely surrender right now. I said I don't know what's going on with me But I know I'm not I'm not here. I said God, please help me Don't let me go out like this I reached out to the hills from which my help come. I said God, please Look out for me God. I said, please help me God and all of a sudden I felt like a donkey or horse kicking me in my chest like a boom also Felt myself breathing again. I Seen a white light stronger than any light ever seen in my life and all of a sudden I was back I like her with doctors and nurses screaming and hollering. Oh my god. It's a miracle. It's America. He's back. He's back I got the looking around. I was like wow. I said God heard me the prayers of a worthless sinner He heard my cry Wow And I leaned over and looked out the window with tears coming out my eye And I seen a rainbow out that wonder and I knew then I like man God heard me and that was my proof that God loved me even a worthless sinner He took time and he heard my cry and He blessed me brought me back. I said God please and ever since then I have not Taken it lightly by my second chance But you know what I get from that too is the fact that you are on the brink of going that way and a lot of people I Hear it would say oh God can't I've done too much He's not gonna hear me. He's not going this. I've done too much. I already know where I'm gonna go This that whatever how can he forgive me after I've killed so many people? I've done this this this this And you were right here and he still brought you back this way. Yeah, wow, and that's what I heard Man, it's been a dope segment man. Hey, man. Thank you so much for coming on boss talk 101 J We love you brother. I really love you man And we just say man if you ever need us or if you get trying to get something out Make sure you reach out to us man We hear boss talk 101 it's here for the community for the culture and it's just a blessing And you'll be back when big tuck come on the show. Yes, sir. That's the only way he gets on the show Yeah, we want to talk about Jay had the Jag looking tight with this Check it man. Hey, man. It's been another great segment up boss talk 101. Yeah