 All right. Okay, since we're really hungry, we're gonna start eating. Let's just have the chicken first. Okay. Let's eat. This just looks really good. Wow, there's like a slight kick at the end, but it's really good. I mean, if I keep eating it, I love it because it's like sweet and spicy at the same time. I couldn't order this at my house because there's no chakang chicken near where I live. And I knew that they had one in Hongdae, so I was like, okay, we gotta eat this today. Perfect. We didn't forget. It's like sweet. This is the best cheese ball I've tried, actually. I don't usually like cheese balls, but this is good. I wish it like, like the cheese kind of like stressed out. Maybe when you eat it warmer. It's so good. I like it because it's strong. There was a fun one. Have you ever liked the same guy? No. We have to. It was a really different taste. Yeah, thank goodness. Yeah, but we both don't understand each other's like, like, you don't? No, like, for example, no, for example, like our celebrity crushes are so different. Yeah, I can't even imagine like liking the same type. Has that ever happened to you though, with you and another girlfriend, like liking the same guy? No. It's happened to me a lot. Actually, it has happened to me. And then I was like, oh, what do you think of this guy? And then my friend was dating that person. Like secretly. Like it was like a no, but then later I was like, oh my gosh. You didn't know? I had no idea because it was still like in the beginning stages, like it was some time. So back then, you know, they were it was during that phase and then yeah, but it happened to you a lot. It's happened a few times in college or like here in Korea. No, junior high school, high school. Yeah. I had a really close friend stopping friends with me because, well, I didn't know she liked him because she never said anything. But I liked him too. And we liked each other. So we started dating and then she completely cut me out of her life. And later I was like, I'm sorry. I didn't know. You don't need to be sorry. She never told you about it. It's not your fault. That's true. But it was sad because she just like cut me off completely. You're not friends with her anymore, right? No. Yeah. I tried. Why did you try? Because I didn't know why she did that to me. It was like years after that I found out that she cut me out because she had feelings for my boyfriend then too. Oh my god. That's so like, so petty. Have you ever dated a celebrity or an idol? Have you, Ashley? You're in the field. No, surprisingly, I have never. Yeah, I have. I know. But that was a question. Yeah, it's just funny because people would expect me to maybe have dated an idol since I'm in the industry, but I have never because I don't know. I've never been attracted to anyone in the industry, but Joe on the other hand has dated some celebrities. What was the experience like? That wasn't a question. I'm asking. Well, they weren't the best experience, you know, they were both kind of like assholes. They were. I mean, I didn't cry over it. I don't cry over guys. It's true though. Like, I really don't. One was a real asshole though. Yeah, one was a real asshole. Glad I was over. He's gonna be shocked. Never again. He already needs it. Yeah, never again, dude. There's such like, I feel like celebrities, especially if you're a guy, there are so many girls who like think they're single, right? And so like, they just find joy in like checking their DMs and they like that attention. Yeah, like in front of you, you know, it's kind of like, it's kind of like disappointing when they do that. But I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, they did that. Number two did that. Yeah, you're like, check the DMs in front of you. Yeah, I'll tell you about it. And then he was like, Oh, yeah, isn't this like annoying? But I liked the attention. I was like, Ew, why? But then besides that, it was like, okay, but like, still, like, it's not okay. Yeah, I don't know. Everyone's just going to spend hours trying to figure out who it is. They will never know. Honestly, they will never know because I never talked about it. Yeah. But like, honestly, I wouldn't recommend it. Like, and okay, I do want to point this out. I did not like DM them first, or I didn't like approach them first. Like, I didn't do that. I don't do that. That's just like not my personality. Yeah, so I do want everyone to know that because like, I'm not like, Oh, hey, like, Oh, just in case people think you're like, yeah, like a groupie or whatever. Yeah, no, I can't do that. It's always like doing mutual friends and like, like that. But I wonder who they're gonna think you guys should guess in the comments. Oh my god, don't torture them like that. You're never going to tell them. And then you can heart the ones that are close. Just kidding. Don't want to know who people will think. Wow, that was a very juicy little addition to the Q&A. I never talked about it. Yes. It was the first time hearing her talk about it. I mean, Ashley knew about it the whole time. She's been through all of it with me. And she would always be like, how is it? And then we would talk about it. And then when it's back, she's like, like, yeah, but me too. Like, yeah, she's been there for me when I would cry and I know. Oh, cry together. Was there a time you didn't like each other's boyfriends? You didn't like both, right? You didn't approve of both. I liked both. I liked the second one as a person, but I just didn't like the way it ended. Yeah. That made me angry. And the first one, I honestly didn't know that person well enough to like, say I approve or whatever. But I mean, he honestly like chew over. So yeah, that was pretty bad. Yeah, I just talk about it. Shall we talk about it? I mean, well, in a nutshell, there was like cheating involved. There was ghosting involved. And it was just not mature. Like, we're old. Don't do that. Like, be a man. I honestly didn't grieve over it because it was just so immature for you. I mean, I'm a friendly person. So I always try to make an effort to like, like whoever my friend is dating. But if they don't try, I'm like, hell no, right? But I'm very open to her. If I like, notice some action, I'll be like, Oh, this happened. And then she's like, really nice about it. And she's like, Oh, okay. But other than that, like, I'm it's like your boyfriend. So like, I'm not going to be like, you have to break up with him right now. Like, yeah, I mean, I feel like I would do that too. But I mean, have you ever wanted me to break up with that person? Um, I have. But I mean, it was always like your choice. You're like, okay, turn the camera off. Was it the first one or the second one? Well, the first one, for sure. I wanted you to Oh my gosh, if you watch this. Okay, so basically the first person, I was like, Oh, like Ashley is a bit like, she's like really awkward for this person. Like I think everyone around you thought that you do have to say no, you don't you no one else has told you that people still said that to her. And then but I wasn't like, you have to break up with this guy. I never did that, because I didn't know him too well. And I was still getting to know Ashley at the time. But when they broke up, that's when our friendship was like more established. And I was like, Oh, okay, I could see that. Yeah. Second one, I was like, in the beginning, I was like, I felt like I was in a relationship with this person because like, I get very emotionally attached to people for sure. And so like seeing you have like such a hard time in the beginning stages, it was like, I was like, no, you need to like, you need to end this. But yeah, if it works out, it works out. If it doesn't, like, I'll respect my friend. But unless like he does something terrible, like, yeah, cheat or cheat, like, I would be like, you need to break up with this person right now. I'll knock on your door, wake you up every day, like until it happens. Slap me in the face. Yes. Slap some scents back into me. Like for sure. Right now. Yeah. But I mean, ultimately, it is your decision. And you know that person way more than me. So like, I'm not going to be like, end it now unless he does something like terrible. But I will always think that Ashley is like, I'll go for everyone. Like, it's always like that. It's always like that. Yeah, me too. It's been like that. Yeah. Have you guys ever gotten a Brazilian wax? Oh my god. We actually went to get our sugaring done together for the first time. Yeah. So instead of waxing, we wanted to get sugaring done just because we heard it was like more natural and more safe for your skin and the hair grows back thinner and it takes longer for the hair to grow back. So we decided to go get sugaring together. Yes. And I heard her scream. She heard me scream. I cried. Wait a minute. Don't forget that. I cried. And me, considering that was my first time, it wasn't that bad. Yeah. Yeah. So we went to get that done a few times and then I switched over to waxing because sugaring was getting too painful and it just, it just hurts so much more than waxing. So it's such a different experience. It is. Waxing ends so much quicker and sugaring. Sugaring ends quicker too. I don't know. But okay, the amount of like hair is also different. Oh my god. I don't think I've ever talked about this. Hey, but we're adults. Yeah. And it's a real thing. Like people aren't curious about it. Like don't be immature in the comments, please. Please. I go for sugaring regularly. I like it. In the beginning, I cried. I sweated. Like it was so difficult. Like I regretted everything. Like it took me like, usually it takes like about 20 minutes. It took me like 50 minutes. Oh yeah. Cause you kept like stopping. Yeah, I was like, come on. Come on. Come on. But now I like it. It was so awkward having to like doggy. Open the legs and just doggy position. But thankfully the leader was really nice about it. She is. I mean, of course she's a professional and she's been doing this very for a very long time. So she made us feel very comfortable. Yeah, she's like, I was literally like holding on to the doll. I was like, you get used to it. Yeah. Now you go, you're just like, okay. Yeah, let's get this over with. I know. I mean, but to be honest, like I do it for myself. Like I'm not dating anyone right now. I just literally just do it for myself because it feels way better. Like when you're on your period, like I hate having hair down there. It's like, it's so hot, especially in the summer. No, like, so I do it for myself. I mean, there's nothing wrong with having hair down there. Like that is fine. I feel like a lot of Koreans don't. But it's becoming more of like a thing now. Like a lot of people are getting Brazilian wax. I also used to get laser hair removal. A lot of female idols get like bikini wax and Brazilian wax because sometimes we wear short outfits. And if you like spread your legs, we're scared that like you might be able to see a little bush down there. Yeah. So a lot of female celebrities and idols get that done. And laser hair removal down there was the most painful experience. They even put numbing cream for 30 minutes before getting it done. But since the laser penetrates far deeper into just the skin surface, I was literally sweating. My whole body was sweating. My back was wet. I actually did that like six times. But how long does it take? It takes like five minutes for the whole process. Yeah. Yeah, it's a lot quicker than waxing. But never again. No. Because after I did it five or six times, I feel like it still grew back pretty regularly. But I recently talked to my friend in New York and she started getting laser removal down there. And apparently they have this new machine that's so much less painful and so much more effective. And she was like, I only got it a few times, but it's already working so well. So I'm like, oh, okay. So there must be new technology with it. Yeah. I mean, it's always improving, right? Yeah. So I kind of want to try that new machine. Give us an update when you do. But I heard also the laser is not good for down there, right? Yeah. I heard that too. I like sugaring. It's natural. It doesn't hurt as much anymore. Like the more you do it, it hurts less. It's better than shaving for sure. But don't go a week before your period and a week after your period because you're so sensitive and it hurts like 10 times more. Yeah. We should have just done like a dedicated video on, right? Maybe for my main channel. We do. Okay, we'll save that. How do you deal with fake girlfriends? Oh my gosh. We don't. We really don't. Bye-bye. Yeah. That was like the perfect answer. Moving on. Yeah. No, like we try to give people chances for sure. I always give three. Like no matter how badly you fuck up, I do like giving a chance, but doing times is a lot. I don't want to deal with them. Like at first, maybe we'll meet them through a mutual friend or maybe we'll just get connected somehow and meet. We'll hang out, but you get those fake vibes. Oh yeah. Yeah, you feel it. And the more you get to know that person, the more you see. So I naturally just distance myself and I naturally just, you know, don't call her out and don't go out if she calls me out. I think it's also because you have this aura actually that you're like, if you don't like this person, it's very much obvious. It's good. It's very good. It's a little different for me. I feel like I try really hard to like make sure everyone's having a good time, right? And then I get really hurt when I don't get that like response back. And so yeah, I might look very non intimidating at first, but when it's like time to cut people out, like it's already like black or white. Yeah. It's just like no mercy. Nope. Ultimately, we don't like to deal with them. We also got a lot of questions about how we met. Mutuals. Mutual friends. Yeah. And there was also, how was your first impression of each other? My first impression of you was I didn't really have like a positive or like negative impression of you. It was just kind of like a, oh, this is Ashley. What was your first impression of me? I thought you were super Americanized because even back then your Korean wasn't as good as it is now. Yeah. And the way you spoke, it was just like fully Americanized. Yeah, tell it. But I never thought that from our first experience of Encounter that we would get this close. Yeah, me too. I thought it was be just like a one time. Oh, hi. Nice to meet you. Oh my God. Yeah, me too. But no, for sure, same. Right. And then we had Samgyetang together and that's when we bonded. Yeah. Samgyetang and wine. Because we just started talking about everything and then I was like, damn. Oh my gosh. We vibing. Yeah. I know why we vibed. Yeah. I know what, yeah. You don't, you remember why we vibed? Yeah. Okay. Because you were like, wait, you feel that too? Yeah. I know. Oh my gosh, okay. Yeah, that's how we vibed. And it was perfect. Ever since then we just like met up like, we met on a weekly basis after that. Yeah. And then basically, yeah. Dang. And then we, I think we got each other, I think we got closer because we had a lot of similarities too. We're both like November babies, like our birthdays were three days apart, both Scorpios, both, well, you were an ESFJ back then. Yeah. So we both had the same MBTI. 1991. Yeah, 1991. People thought we lived a life in the beginning. Yes. Yeah. We both moved from the States to Korea. Yeah. So we just had like a lot to talk about and bond over. Yeah. And I feel like that helped us get close really fast. Yeah. It's always helpful to have mutual I guess interests. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was really deep. Where do you guys see yourself in seven years? Married to you. Happy? Oh my god. Seven years. We're gonna be 35. Maybe 35. Because we're 28 right now, internationally. Oh my gosh. 35? 35 doesn't sound that old. It doesn't. Right? I feel like age is something that people are afraid of, but the more you experience life, you're just like, oh 30. Okay. Like I thought like 40 would be so scary, but like I met a lot of people who are in their 40s right now who are doing like business, like what is it? And they're all like 40 is the best. Like because you know, 20s is like when you're discovering yourself. 30s is like you kind of know like you have your place and 40s is like you know and you have money. So you kind of do both like work and enjoy life. Okay. What do you think? It's 35. I honestly don't know. I have no idea. And I'm not like the type to plan for the future. I just kind of like go with the flow. I'm a very spontaneous person. If a good person comes along, like who knows? I might just get married and live happily like that. If they don't, I'm just gonna you know, continue to work and live to the fullest and enjoy my adulthood because I really didn't get to from when I was like 21 to 28. So those seven years like I'm gonna enjoy from now on. And I am enjoying that right now. But I really can't say there's no like future that I want that I'm envisioning. I think that's good though. Yeah. Yeah. It's good to be, I don't know like I used to have like five year plans of where I'll be. But now like I kind of just live in the moment. Yeah. I honestly thought after like your contract, you would move back to America and get married and have like a child right now. I mean that was originally the plan. Yeah. I thought that's what your plan was gonna be. But like again like it's just you never know. I wanted to get married when I was like 24. Me too. I wanted to be a young mom. Me too. I wanted four kids. Yeah. But now I'm like I don't even know if I want kids at all. But I don't know how I will feel in seven years. I might really want kids. Yeah. Or I might have adopted like who knows. Yeah. It's just we're a puppy. Yes. That might be a dog mom or cat mom. But seven years is still a long time. Seven years length of my contract. Seven years. Dang. You need to talk about that. Yeah. I will spill the beans on your seven year contract. Where would you like to be when you're 35? I guess I would like to be a little more stable than I am now in every aspect like emotionally, mentally and financially. I kind of want to live closer to my parents because they will have gotten older. So I do want to be able to check up on them more often than I do now. I just want to maintain this group of friends that I have now and maybe also be in a relationship both like stable, have the best of both worlds and also be successful working for myself. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. Yeah. How about you? Same. No, for sure. Like I feel like right like so many people, especially like whenever I go to like a family gathering or any like professional meetings or something, the first thing they ask is always like, are you dating anybody? And it's become such a thing where girls like at a certain age need to get like married at a certain time. But like that is not in my near timeline whatsoever. But I mean, it would be nice. But I don't know when that's going to be. So yeah. But I mean, it would be nice. Yeah. It would be nice to like depend on someone. I think it'd be great to have that when I'm 35. Maybe a will be that person where I could do what I want him to be like, give me your phone. Yeah, I really want you to be able to depend on someone because you're so independent and you're such hustler. But the thing is that scares people. Did you know that? Yeah. People get intimidated about that. Yeah. All the guys get scared of that. And I feel like they make mistakes because of that. Right. Don't you think? Because they want to be like the provider. Yeah. They want to wear the pants and they want to provide and they want the girl to just like, you know, depend on them. But it's like, I remember the, I remember when the second person was like, Oh, I want Joan to like depend on, depend on me and like, you know, like, and then she straight up said, Joan is not going to be that person. When you said that, I was like, dude, Ashley knows me so well. I was like, yeah, that just shows like, you really know, like, if that person's going to be like right or wrong. Oh, yeah, we'll see. But that was funny. Funny, funny edition. I just remember you're like, she's not going to be that person for you. I'm sorry. I like honesty. What if Ashley slash Joan date your brother? I know both of you have younger brothers. No. Well, Joan does like younger boys. Yeah, that is, that is a fact. If you guys are still trying to figure out which celebrity or idol I dated, they're all younger than me. Stop giving them hints. Yeah, I've never dated someone who's older. So wait, what was the question? What will it be? Oh, no, no, both of us. No, I mean, I don't know. Yeah, no, no, stop. I was thinking of like, oh, sister-in-law, but then ultimately no. But it'd be cool to like be actually sisters-in-law like by paper. No, I wouldn't mind that. It's just, I can't imagine my brother and you or my brother and you. Oh god, no, we're such good friends. Like, no, Ashley and Avery, like you, he's like your other little brother. Yeah. No, no, don't ever ship us. Like, no, no, please don't. Wow, people are just like going to town on us right now. I don't know if I can provide some insight on body image or like body insecurities because that's still something I struggle with too. So it's like, you have your days when some days you feel really confident and some days you're like, I look like shit. And of course your hormones have to do a lot with that too. Oh, yeah. But it's just so hard. I'm not at a place where it can be like, oh, like just take like this. Like it's like this because I still struggle with that too. Of course. I feel like, yeah, same, same here. Like for me, like the week before I'm on my period and after I don't want to be in a bikini. Like I don't. I don't even want to be out. Yeah. It's so bloated. I mean, I feel like everyone will have like their insecurities, how to be confident. Like I mean, it's something that we struggle with too. So but I guess that could be also like somewhat of an advice because for them, they probably look up to your photos or like our videos and be like, oh my gosh, like perfect, perfect, perfect. But no, we're not perfect. Honestly, the posts I upload on Instagram, the pictures I take, Joan contested by because she took like a thousand pictures for me today, literally. Like she just holds on to the burst mood on the iPhone. I learned that today. She learned it for the first time today, guys. She's been using iPhone for like the last time. Mind boggling. But anyways, and then I choose like one or two from there, guys. So you guys have to know that. And it's all about the angles. I make her go back. I'm like, no, like, you know, make sure my foot's on the very bottom. Okay, actually, I don't get that much, though, from you. I'm pretty good. I feel like I'm okay. Yeah. But there are people in our group where they're like, they're scared to take photos for Ashley. Because no, but it's good to be particular, though. I would say it is I go beyond particular. I'm like, no, I don't like this. Come on. And I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna leave the camera right here. You just take the camera and take it. I like set the angle for them. So don't feel bad looking at the photos. Yeah. I'm thinking like, oh my gosh, this is such a good body. Like she's so tall. Like, I'm not tall. I'm only like five, six. Okay, she's tall. I'm not tall. Like, but honestly, it's not even about how tall you are. It's kind of like about like the proportions and the angle. So yeah. Maybe one more question? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Do we ever fight? And what was it about? Do we ever fight? No, we never fought. I feel like for us, if something bothers us, we'll mention it. And I feel like we also have the nunchi to be like, oh, I think I f-ed up. So like, let me apologize for that. Or yeah, we don't fight. We never have to fight. Yeah. I feel like not to brag, but I feel like we're very good at that, keeping that line. Because even with friends and best friends, it's important to still respect each other and still have that bond boundary that you don't really cross often. And I feel like we are good at that. Like when we meet each other, we have so much fun and we still talk about a lot of deep stuff. Like we go into each other for advice. I also feel like we are very similar in personality where like, I've had to cut off some people because they need to be texting me like 24 seven. Like they've like moved to America and they're like, why aren't you texting me? And I'm like, I don't have time and also the time difference, but we like don't need to text each other like 24 seven. Like we're not in like a relationship. And also like, we just kind of like get each other. We know what bothers each other. We have this established friendship already, which is crazy because we've only known each other for like three years. Yeah, but I feel like I've known you for like a decade now. Yeah, for really long. Yeah. And also I feel like as I get older, I don't fight with my friends because, you know, when you're younger, you have a lot of drama and you're just so catty and you fight all the time. You're like, why would you do this? Like, but now I feel like we're old enough to know if we'll vibe with that person or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if we vibe well, there will be no reason to fight because there will always be one person being a little more understanding, being more considerate. I feel like as you get older, you mature and you are more considerate of the other person too. So I feel like there's no reason to really clash. Right. But like with boyfriends, I'll always fight like no matter how old I get. I know you always fight because I don't know. It's just so complicated. What is that? Actually, I don't fight and that's why it's a problem for me because I don't get like super jealous or anything. So I think that's why it's gonna be, it's gonna take a while for me to like find someone to take. Because you know, like I notice patterns for you and like our other girlfriends, they do fight in the beginning stages. Yeah. But for me, I guess I like just haven't really, because for me, it's like if you're like that, you're like that, like whatever. But then now I'm like starting, I'm getting more and more like I question everyone that's new now. Yeah. So it gets harder and harder for me to like meet people and date people because they just, there was just so many bad relationships. Yeah. There were so many bad relationships. It's hard to trust people. Yeah. It is. Ultimately, we don't fight because we understand each other, we know what we like, we know what we don't like, and we're very mature about it. Yeah, we don't want to hurt each other's feelings, obviously. And if you feel like you f***ed up, I think it's important to realize that and accept that and apologize first. Yes. Like you have to be that one going up to that person and be like, oh, you know what, like I thought about it, the thing I said the other day or the thing I did, I think that was f***ed up. And I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings. And you got to be mature enough to apologize when you need to. And sometimes they're gonna be like, what? I never thought that. Yeah, yeah. That's happened. Oh, that didn't bother me at all. Yeah. What are your birthday plans? Are you gonna celebrate together? I mean, probably. I mean, it's always nice to like celebrate it together. Yeah. Since two years ago, we've been doing our birthday parties together because we have a lot of mutual friends and we like having fun and we like sharing it with everybody and treating our friends out. So we have been doing that for the past two years, but honestly with Corona this year, I don't know how it's going to be. Yeah, but it's still kind of far away. So I haven't been thinking about it much. Yeah. We still have like October to think about. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, we do have like a lot of mutual friends. If we don't know them, we still invite our friends and then we're like, please get to know this person. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because last year at our birthday party, you brought Ayong and that's how I met her for the first time. Right. I met the CLC girls at your birthday, our birthday party. Because wine is so good. Yeah. Oh, I keep doing that. All right. Thank you guys so much for watching. All right, I'm just holding a chicken in my hand, but thank you guys so much for watching. I hope you guys enjoyed this girl talk over wine. If you guys want to go to detail on any of the topics like waxing, let us know. And thank you for asking your questions, guys. We're going to finish the wine and the chicken. We're going to take a bath and enjoy our night. Yeah. We'll see you next time. Bye.