 Okay, yep. I went to Palmer West. So I understand the quarter system real good So you're in in in clinic right now, right like half time just started. Yep. Yep Yeah, and did you guys have like a split where you can spread it out? So we can take two of the quarters and convert it into three so we have a lighter load When we first start clinic, that's what I do. Oh really? Yeah So that's been kind of nice. It's been a lot more I mean, it's still a lot of work, but it's not as stressful as it was Fantastic. Yeah, no, it's ours was kind of like you just get in it and you're in the rut for three years You know how it is if you miss a class or you fail one and you roll back type of thing So yeah, yeah, it was I had a great experience at Palmer But it was very demanding for a lot of students that started with me I mean we started with 36 and graduated with 16 So we had a huge rollback as far as how things progressed through We had one hell of a nasty neuro-fizz neuron at teacher though and like he'd laid the hammer and It was like more about just figuring out like his game like how his systems worked and once you figured it out This test you know how to study for it But it literally took like a full semester for some people to get it through their heads and it was bad So it's like just take the boxes man to move out, you know That's what it's like for me. I just before my my clinical neurology class. Well just before the final this quarter Mm-hmm. I mean it was that morning. I was reviewing and kind of stressed out and I just started Flipping through the pages and kind of making some flashcards and all of a sudden I was like, oh This is how I should have studied for the class the whole time And it that repeats for me every single quarter It's that last day or so before the final exam where I'm like, ah now I get it now I know how to study for this class. Yeah, I know I was trading. I remember when I was going through I felt like Chiropractic college was like serve was like the like survivor Like, you know the TV show survivor because like you would learn something and you'd be like, you know an undergrad I was like bam. This is how you learn bam I know how to test get all these tests, but it seemed like in Chiropractic College every quarter it changed You know, you're like wait wait now I'm just not knowing what the bone is and I got to know what's wrong with it Then it's like no, no now I have to know what it is. What's wrong with it and how to fix it now I have to tell somebody else, you know So it was like one thing after another and I just sort of got I was like am I on survivor because all these people are falling all out It was it was interesting Well, do you want to jump in do you want to start? I mean, do you have any other front front-end questions for me at all? I mean, I'm pretty easy. I'm in a complete open book Anything you want and I know that this is a student driven as far as for you That's so Fire away. You can ask me Our paths are similar. You'll find now as we get into the step into the story of COD And yeah, man. I I dig what you're doing. So I'm gonna help. Thanks. Yeah, so I I was reading up on you I was reading on the site the about me stuff sure and You wrote in your your kind of a personal profile that this idea to meld chiropractic with the social network came from your exposure as a second generation chiropractor to the profession for so many years and Just being in this being born in this certain generation. Yeah, do you consider yourself a digital native? I don't know if I would necessarily consider myself a digital native. I've considered myself a digital. I can figure it out You know When I first started circle of docs matter of fact, I should back up and give you a little bit of a history Is all came about when I was in school and probably much like you guys are currently We had a magical disc that we passed from class to class now I I graduated in 2009 So I'm sure you guys may use Dropbox or something else right now But we for every class at Palmer West We had a class representative and your job for the first day of class as a class rep was to figure out How to get the disc from the class above you to pass down now Sometimes that was in form of bribery Which was like I will take the whole class out for a few drinks and have a good time Other times it was you know, hey, I heard about you at this last party And I won't tell anybody about you if you give me the disc, right? So my gosh, so you're resorting to black man. Hey, whatever it took man This is a disc with with files of notes of yeah practice tests things like that. You got it everything like that You know it at Palmer West they they I don't know if you call it digitized all of the the teachers notes But they put them like in these binder things and the teachers would teach out of the binders in conjunction with textbooks Right well we took it one step further and digitized all of our notes So we didn't have to hand write a lot of stuff and then we put footers and all kinds of crazy stuff in there And it was this huge perpetual file that would just get passed down from class to class and added to So when I was in school I was a part of a team that actually helped put together a website where we could just go and dump it all there and Every class could go so we wouldn't have to bribe each other and then we can use it as a huge repository So when I got out of school it kind of fell apart There was no one did it anymore and we just they always rewarded back to I guess the discs or whatever was used Well, I got out of class or got out of school and graduated and I practiced with my father second-generation chiropractor just like you said and No one in my class knew what to do. They didn't know how to open their doors They didn't know how to do any sort of business. They had no idea. So I started My excuse me. I started class school with 36 that like I told you earlier. We graduated 16 So we created this ginormous Email chain asking like hey, how do you name a practice? Hey, how do I set up this? How do I do this blah blah blah? And I was literally one of the only ones that worked for somebody That was willing to share so my dad really kind of said well, you know He would give me some tips in this and that so finally I got to a point where I was like, you know what? I should just create a website I kind of know how to do it from back in the school days So I just threw up this very very rudimentary WordPress site that kind of had had a very Facebook's smallish like tick box for people could just put you know their thoughts and stuff underneath it I'm saying this was as basic Nathan as you could get it, right? Well, was this already was this circle of dogs 1.0 or just even before that? No, this is this is circle of dogs 1.0 I was on that. I don't know if you know I joined. I mean, I think this is before I started Wow, I was on circle of dogs 1.0. Yeah, so I've known about you for for a long time Okay, perfect. So anyway, I got this hair up my butt kind of and I was like, you know Wouldn't it be awesome to like bring some of the big wigs in the profession onto this so they could at least see what's going on so I practice in on the Central Coast in California and David Jackson and his wife Nicole were coming through and they were gonna stop at a local CCA event here and They were gonna They were gonna talk about I think it was epic practice at the time or something So I arrived half hour early shook his hand and said hey, I want to try this I have no idea if this is gonna work so I just set up my web camera and We had actually a thousand people watch that now it crashed the servers a bunch of times And I think it was probably the first ever digital chiropractic event to be streamed across the web So this was what year was this again? 2011 I think it was and we were live stream. Yeah, it was a live stream I used you stream doc TV or whatever it is. I had no idea I just like knew that I could put an embed code in and try to figure it out This is so this was before Google Google Hangouts, which I've used for everything before mere cat I don't know if you've seen that come out lately. No, I haven't but I need to definitely have to look at mere cat It's kind of taken Twitter by storm. Oh, okay. Yeah side note. Cool. Yeah, we'll talk about that So anyway, yeah So I did it and I sent an email out to our list real quick and I had tons of people like I said show Over a thousand people a crash or our site three or four times during the night and again I was using like this basic like go daddy cheapo ten bucks site for hosting deal But I knew we had something there So I kind of was like wow we could really take this somewhere So I started to grow it and kind of add very small resources, but I didn't blog I didn't know about any of that stuff yet. Well long story short. I kind of thought I need to take this to a different level So I ended up taking the site down in 2012 I think it was End of 12 and I and I said, you know if chiropractic is gonna do this, right? I really need to wrap my head around this and really do something that's gonna help elevate the entire profession Not just like have this like crazy little Facebook thread type of thing. So to make a real long story short I ended up getting introduced to Patrick's in tempo and Patrick was just coming off of the acquisition of CLA Chiropractic Leadership Alliance and he just opened up what he calls action potential holdings. So what Patrick does is He helps invest and helps kind of angel fund smaller startup companies And he saw COD and he was like this could really revolutionize the entire industry because he knew just like I am and Me and you were talking about is there is no one place for everything chiropractic There is no resources for pre chiropractic or chiropractic students. There's no place online. That's gonna help, you know Get you Started in your practice and teach you everything that you really need to run a thriving practice That's why the failure rate is so high. I don't believe it's because they don't find chiropractic patients No, no, no I think it's because people get frustrated and fed up and they feel like their hands are tied behind their back the whole Time and they don't know what to do. So they just give up and I'm not in that mindset at all I said, you know what? We have to change this. I gave him the whole idea I mean we spent months and months and months going through not only what the site's gonna look like But what is the philosophy of character of circle of docs? What is our core values our business principles? I mean, I'm not, you know, really how familiar you are with him as far as his philosophy stance and what he does But man, he he goes through it. So every word that that dude says about all that stuff He really lives and breathes. So I just came across his TEDx talk on philosophy Yeah, it's kind of his big message right now is finding a personal philosophy or a company philosophy or whatever So that's definitely huge for him. Yep. So yeah, it's it's huge huge huge for him and We've been through some struggles already and even though that we're just early on but you know really having those Business principles that core philosophy laid out man You always revert back to like, you know, are we living in alignment with this company is our message in alignment with what we want And if it's not then it goes by the wayside And if it is then we can continue to work through and continue to progress But you know, I think so many doctors and students like, you know, if you guys are watching this Finding you what what your personal philosophy is now whether that's an alignment with the person sitting next to you in class Or the doctor or professor teaching you it can be completely different and that's fine But you need to figure out who you are and what type of practice you want to run and that is going to help propel you once you get out So you've called Circle of Docs one community for everything chiropractic and it's Version 1.0 was more of a social network. I'm looking around the site for version 2.0 And it's a little bit different. I guess my question is why Why a whole new site and why not create a Facebook group or yeah? Well, I was gonna say a Google, you know, Google community I've been asked this question many times and Facebook group for perfect Thank you first off for answering for asking that and here's why First off what you see on Circle of Docs is very very content heavy when we were really Conceptualizing how we are going to move this out into the profession You know me and Dr. Jin Tempo said we have to plant very strong roots first So we went to all of the leaders in the profession So if you would go and check out who our contributors are they're kind of the who's who in the chiropractic profession right now And we sold them basically on this idea that hey look, you know magazines are great The newspapers and stuff are good But there is no digital resource online where doctors can can go to every single day and get a new piece of Information that's gonna help them grow help their practices grow help their communities grow So what we wanted and what we pitched them is help us help you basically Circle of Docs is completely free to use. You know, there's no pride. You don't have to charge It's not five thousand dollars like, you know, you guys will find out once you get out of practice into practice You know these chiropractic coaches and you know management groups and etc. We are completely free to use So what we want is to project a message. Basically project really great chiropractic content So on COD there is three elements number one the social network like you said when you saw on version one That is the last element that we're gonna roll out matter of fact We're working on putting together a couple a couple of mobile apps and things right now Which will be which will walk us down that path to being more social But what we wanted to start with was to have the most amazing content in chiropractic So like I said, we roll out a new piece every single day And we you know, we have the chiropractic message So those are the content contributors, etc. And then we have the chiropractic news. So anything that goes down as far as Legislation Anything that goes down as far as a national or international level all that's covered for that is covered on Circle of Docs And then the last piece is the social aspect now what you see currently right now are just some forums or doctor students And CAs can go and ask questions There's Downloads area in there So, you know, we have a bunch of resources that people have up for for other people to share heck I think a lot of class notes a lot of board review notes and stuff are all right there Excuse me So you guys can go in there and tick the box and just put you know anatomy boom then all of the anatomy stuff that People have uploaded it's all right there for you guys to download and to really take a dive in and I mean There's tons of board questions there for students there Lots of resources with different books and different videos and things as well That's cool as as of the day that we're recording this we just finished Finals I think Probably half of the schools in the country did board exams. Yep parts one two three physiotherapy Yeah, so this is very cool. We're always looking for resources to study for board exams Yeah, so that's under the community section right now that is under community Yes, and and also the great part about it is you as the user can go and upload your own as well So it doesn't have to come from me as you know the editor in chief or have you you can go in there and upload Anything that you want you can share it and you can download it as well And then of course you could share it across Facebook or what have you? Very cool. I've noticed that recently you've also started some podcasts. Mm-hmm I think you have one personal or practice one and then you've got one for circle of docs. Yep, that's correct Yeah, what got you into podcasting You know, I love doing video interviews. I think you can remember back in with version one I did a bunch of like Skype videos like this and then Rolling out into this more new current version Like I told you earlier a friend of mine is Pat Flynn from a smart past event And he is killing it with podcasting right now I mean he's getting like a hundred thousand downloads at a shot now Obviously chiropractic markets nowhere near that but what I loved about it was is that I could throw it in my ears on my iPhone and go for a run or I can go work out and listen to it and for us It's just one more channel to help open up and increase the chiropractic message to the world So for you know doctors and students who are listening to this, you know, that's what I encourage you to do You know listen to whoever you know resonates with you as far as chiropractors But you know you should always be kind of getting that dipped in that chiropractic message every single day and You know, I know how it is when you're in class It's the same teachers over and over and over and you're like man Have you even been out in practice? Do you even know how this works? Do you know how this goes down? You know, so we like to interview a lot of doctors who are successful We like to interview a lot of people that may have a little bit of a different opinion than you know Your current so it's gonna challenge your mindset a little bit and then you know We like to interview people that are Specialized and specialized niches of chiropractic. So if you are interested in you know serving more kids Tomorrow on this podcast right now tomorrow Tony eagles gonna be out talking about epic pediatrics. So I mean We really take a deep dive into all of those different people and really try to spark your interest to kind of expand your knowledge a little bit That's cool. I've loved podcasts for so long. I mean before it was cool. I was listening to podcast Yeah, I was recording podcast before it was cool But yeah just today I did a workout at this crazy new healthcare center where they have an altitude training room Simulate up to 17,000 feet fortunately It was just 9,000 feet and yeah I got my my blood oxygen levels down to 80% within like 15 minutes But I got through I think three podcasts from the British Journals of sports medicine. Okay Just like that, you know just as I'm working out I can listen and I listen I've got I'm subscribed to your podcast I'm subscribed to To the chiropractic philanthropists. Yep, it's awesome. Yeah, he's killing it as well. I mean he's Putting me to shame and of course That's one of the the challenges is that the niche market is a little bit smaller for us But he's showing that you can get the hundred thousand downloads. Oh, yeah in chiropractic. So that's pretty cool Why do you think social media is important for students and for doctors to get involved with? Social media as far as like Facebook everything Facebook podcasting. Well, here's here's what it comes down to I think Nathan We live in the most technologically advanced time in ever in society. I mean you're up north and western states I was talking to one of my teammates that lives out in Germany You know, we live out of at a time where we can create one word and that word is leverage You know, we have the ability to leverage our voice our face the way we type the way we interact with people That's what social media is so awesome about, you know You can post something on Facebook or you can post something on Circle of Docs and people can answer you back instantly You know, and that's why I love podcasting and I totally tell that you do as well is because we can put out Something that number one will live on basically an infamy, you know Not when my dad was he's still in practice to this day But you can only go to one company and give one talk at a time, you know You can only go and shake hands with one person at a time, but now with technology we can leverage Everything that we have, you know, new patients come into my office and they get a welcome video from me Ask me any questions? Whatever you want. I have a podcast that's rolling out this week called What makes me tick and it's basically my background of chiropractic Now what I want to do is to deliver that to every new patient and every patient in my office because I listen to it And then they'll go and tell their brothers and sisters and aunts and uncles and cousins, right? So why not leverage technology and the barriers of entry for technology are so incredibly low I mean just think about podcasting probably when you started way back when how hard was it to get so hard, right? Now, I mean look at um, you're saying, um talking about a chiropractic philanthropist He has an amazing program that he's putting 80 people through right now that are basically going to populate iTunes with more podcasts. So that's amazing. I mean and we need more chiropractors out there, you know elevating their voices I think that's awesome. Um You create videos for your for your patients and then do you email those or do they see them when they first come into your office? Both you should know that So when a new patient comes into my office I take their email automatically and then I put them into like a web or a mail champ what I use And that they automatically get ticked with a new, um, a new patient video Where it's basically just me talking what's up, you know, this is me. This is kind of who I am Welcome to my practice, you know, I'm here to serve you if there's any way I can help Please email, please call give all my information, you know, etc, etc Basically, I want to be a hundred percent different than what their normal medical doctor route would be So I am a communicator by trade. I am a networker by trade So I want to, you know, continue to proliferate that and by, you know, offering those first things to my patients I think they love it, you know, I call all of my new patients the first time I see them In the office, I call them that night, which usually blows them away And that would probably be my biggest tip to students is, you know, when you get out and you start meeting people Call them, you know, they will be amazed, you know, when you're doing patient recalls, you call your patient recalls Hey, what's up? Because you have such a great connection with them I will probably say 75 to 85 of people that I call for, I guess you would call it quote unquote reactivation Will schedule an appointment with me and it's not because I'm some amazing doctor I probably am not. It's just that I took the time to call them and to figure out how they were doing That's awesome. So before we get into kind of some rapid-fire questions a little more about you I want to highlight the student section of Circle of Docs Not there's there's the community kind of the Boards and stuff like that, but there's a section specifically for for chiropractic pre chiropractic students. Yep What resources are available there? Sure. So actually I will say this and and this is completely to blame for myself Is that is probably the most underutilized and underdeveloped area of Circle of Docs right now? We're working with a couple of companies to create something called launch and what launch for Is Giving you guys all of the resources to get ready to get out to launch practice So currently what is on Circle of Docs and the students is any sort of student-related article So anything from hey, do you know these cranial nerves? Hey, what do you think about this if you have a question? We get a lot of questions from students that come in we will go out and find an expert in the field And have them answer the question for you matter of fact today's main feature Is how do I explain subluxation? And that was by a dr. Sarah and she was just she's brand new I think she just got out like last quarter and she is having a bunch of issues explaining what a subluxation is to patients So You know with our contributor list I got in contact with with bill estab and then he's like the man when it comes to patient Communication so I said hey bill. How would you answer this? Could you write something down? He's like absolutely. I love to answer this boom boom boom boom and gave us these three great examples So I was like that's money. That's gold right there We got to put it out there for all of like, you know our new docs and our students But ideally I'm going to create we are creating a launch type of sequence And then we have a couple other things I can't tell you quite yet because they're still Underneath the wraps, but I will say this is that every single quarter or every single semester That a student is involved with circle of docs They will be able to be groomed and ready to come out and be indoctrinated in chiropractic philosophy No chiropractic business and know how to succeed from the second they they get that diploma I'd like to point out so you guys do your philosophy Uh Does follow the more traditional chiropractic philosophy. Would you say that rather than The schools like western states or cmcc might be a little more of a mixer or uh Medically oriented school. Would you say that? Well, I would say that we are who we are We are one place for everything chiropractic So whether you're a straight whether you're a mixer whether you do, you know, whatever you do you do, right? We are a platform now. We don't believe in, you know, injecting drugs into the chiropractic profession But that is what our beliefs are now We will put out information and then let you guys as members and the community to talk and to discuss about it So if you are asking a question about drugs and you posted something on the forums, absolutely not It would never be taken down You can go and we encourage that those types of communications But for us, we believe that, you know, the chiropractic it should basically remain drugless Good. Okay. I think that's so important And that's again why I start started this podcast is to make sure that students are just aware Of that spectrum and how different schools Approach that those topics And i'm glad you have a little section here for pre chiropractic students Yeah, I gotta tell you what I took a bunch of stuff from yours because it was amazing I saw that your google maps and stuff and I was like I noticed that A little bit because that was awesome. I was like, hey, those maps look familiar and then I see my little face in the corner of the google Yep, there you go. So Very cool. Uh, yeah Again, this stuff didn't exist Uh, before I was getting into chiropractic schools. So I think it's awesome that we're Collectively all the podcasts all the websites are providing just more and more resources uh for students to Learn more about the profession and about the schools and how to launch into practice. So we're looking forward to hearing more about that Yeah, here's what I think nathan, you know, and maybe you agree with me. Maybe you don't I'd love your opinion on this but I believe that the last generation of chiropractor Was just trying to plant the flag in the ground so to speak and just try to get a little bit of ground and say This is what chiropractic is guys, you know We believe above down inside out that the nervous systems master controller that you know taking the pressure off the nerve That's chiropractic, right? Now what I believe at least that my thoughts are and probably I don't know if this is yours as well Is that we can work across the aisle with the medical profession? We can work with with massage therapists and and fitness trainers and all of these people because You know, there's this whole wellness pie out there And chiropractors just have to step it up and get in front of them and say look This is what we do guys and we do a dang good job of it And you know the medical community They want to know what we do, you know, people are always so scared about oh, I'm going to work with medical medicine Dude, I encourage it matter of fact My best referrals come from medical doctors because they understand what we do and that we do a way better job Than any other profession out there So we should be not only planning the flag but taking that flag now and running it around the world And then we're going to start seeing more than what seven percent of the population now We'll have 70 percent of the population So having enough having enough leverage with the digital resource like cod like your podcast You know the time is so prime for this profession to step up into the light And we just need the right leaders and we just need the right people to really step up and to make it happen I would agree. I think we do have in many ways more in common with With medical practitioners than we might think in fact I was listening to that that bgs and podcast a while back had an episode where a medical doctor was saying Exercise should be part of our vitals He was saying before I prescribe any drugs before I Let them go into surgery. I say let's try exercise for a few months. I was like, whoa, here's a medical doctor Just saying that that's where we need to start and that's in my experience at least That's what chiropractors have been encouraging me to do for so long On the other hand, I wonder when we're putting out so much information like this and you've got people writing for your website Other chiropractors are making posts on facebook It also doesn't open us up to a lot of criticism because we see Facebook groups that are are coming up now specifically to say Oh, this is what a crazy chiropractor said And kind of tearing us down. How do we balance that risk versus the reward? I think number one. It's a personal. It's a personal decision. You know, I think that some people I mean and it can be in any profession. They can put Their mouths and say some pretty stupid stuff, right? So I think as a doctor you just have to be a little bit calculated as far as what you're going to be projecting and putting out there um, but I also think that People in general the normal society are fed up. They're fed up with being on drugs They're fed up with crazy amounts of surgery and they're fed up with stuff that doesn't work And that's probably why a lot of doctors now are prescribing exercise. They're prescribing meditation They're prescribing all these quote-unquote alternative care, right? Because normal allopathic care is doing nothing But just doping them up and putting them up on more drugs and they're finding out that it doesn't work So, you know, why wouldn't we as the chiropractic profession Say hey look here is a quote-unquote alternative to what you guys are doing And allowing the body to heal naturally by just, you know, basically getting out of the way of it start eating good food Start exercising getting adjusted and frequently, you know, those are the types of things that Can allow the body to heal and you know to answer your question Criticism is actually good. That means people are looking at you You know Grant Cardone. I don't know if you know who he is. He's like this big time business guy He said hey, man, if you ain't got any haters, then you're doing something wrong So go out and get you some haters, you know, so That's the way I look at it too is that, you know, people are going to hate on circle of docs Matter of fact, they already have and they you know, they call us quacks and everything else But guess what? We get people better and we keep them healthier and they live longer and healthier lives than they ever have before So you can't deny that as far as chiropractic is concerned Awesome. I'm going to let you tell people how to sign up But first I want to ask you some kind of rapid fire questions Haven't told you what these are yet, so you can And the goal is to answer them kind of as succinctly as you can But you have the option to pass if anything is Uncomfortable for you. Uh, so let's see finish this sentence chiropractic is Chiropractic is Chiropractic is life. That's what chiropractic is chiropractic Gives people life and I know for a lot of students that are watching this you haven't under you haven't seen that yet But when people come in carrying their babies that they're going to be injecting with more vaccines When they when they carrying their babies in that can't turn their heads after a year and a half and they've been on 20 medications and they're talking about cutting their scm muscles off and you deliver a chiropractic adjustment And that baby picks up his head and turns at you that is life people You know people come in with crazy You know radiating leg pain with you know disc herniations that have had three failed surgeries And it doesn't work and you do some work over a couple weeks with them And now they're out playing with their kids and being able to run around and provide for their family And that is life. That's chiropractic. Awesome. Um, where do you see chiropractic in 10 years? In 10 years from now. I see I see chiropractic full. That's where I see I see chiro I see chiropractic and chiropractors chiropractors having Abundantly full practices. I think that our messaging just has to get out there in the right way and then we can all elevate the profession together Can you describe your ideal patient in one sentence? My ideal patient in one sentence Well, I think the easiest would say is any any person with a spine, right? I think that's what most people would probably tell you All right, if you could only use three treatments for the rest of your career, whether it's a technique or A specific adjustment, which ones would they be? Do you want techniques specific doesn't doesn't necessarily need to be it could be heating pads or it could be laser or it could be Yeah, adjust the adjust the spine Teach them how to eat the right foods and teach them how to move their bodies. That's it. Awesome I'm big on movement. I love the movement one. Um, what's the best time you've ever had in practice? 8 a.m. Till 5 p.m. I love practice. It's it's easy It's practice you guys will find this out that practice is easy and it's fun You know, I think when you when you're in school so much It's it's a drudge. It's one class after another But when you start getting on a practice man and you start actually adjusting people and getting your hands on people Your hands come alive. They you almost feel like your hands are like hot I mean, I remember when I was in in chiropractic college if I got to just five or eight people a day I thought it was like this amazing thing, right? But you know when you're in practice steam I see about 30 35 patients a day But I've been working in clinics for 100 200 500 I mean these people were down in like Peru with uh, Liam Schuble and they're seeing 500 people a day Their hand your hands gets hot and you get that energy going in and it's practice is just fun to be honest with you I was down in Haiti in the Dominican Republic About six months ago. Yeah, and it was I was just dripping sweat Yeah, but you probably like more fired up than you ever have in your entire life, right? Oh, I felt bad because I was I was literally dripping sweat onto faces of patients I was setting them up for cervical adjustments. Oh, I felt so bad, but they loved it. They you know, the Haitians are They they just love it. They don't care a buddy of mine is uh, Chris Zeno. Do you know who he is? Yeah, I've seen a lot of his videos Yeah, so Chris and then um Tabor Smith worked with them and and I I remember I was talking to him one day And it was late too. It was like probably 10 or 11 o'clock at night And I'm like, man, like I can't believe you're still up, you know, it's 11 o'clock in texas. It's nine o'clock here He's like, dude, I can't go to sleep. I'm so fired up. So he's like I have this like crazy amount of energy I feel like I've had five coffees. I'm like, what did you do today? He's like, I adjusted more patients that I ever have in my life And I'm like, you're not tired. He's like, I'm beat tired, but I can't go to bed I was like, that's so awesome, man All right, if you were to do it all over again, which school would you choose to attend? Oh man, that is such a oh, that's a double-edged sword from me right there You know, I absolutely loved my time at Palmer West. I was in a smaller class As you can tell I'm a bit of a loudmouth and like to speak up. So that worked out really great for me um from a resources only type of perspective, I think um Life university is doing some amazing things right now Life, Georgia in particular, they have put like incredible amounts of money and resources into it They've also been really diving deep into the philosophy, but I love the Palmer I love the the idea of um, you know, the fountain head the Harvard of chiropractic all of that But ultimately what this thing comes down to and if you're a pre chiropractic student listening to this Is you've got to go figure out what you like You know, I think if you think about what you did with undergrad You went in and checked out different schools. You really got to meet a lot of the professors You got to sit some classes You need to do the exact same thing going going into chiropractic college and just figure out what really jives with you You know, you should walk through those halls and one of those schools will just be speaking to you Like this is it, you know Sherman that that could be at Palmer, Florida That's where I want to be or maybe it's not even in the u.s Maybe some international schools as well. Some people love to study abroad. So that could be another great resource Yeah, I mean, there's there's about 18 in North America that are English speaking Then there's another 35 around the world. Yeah, and like you mentioned, I I've created those maps So you can kind of go and just the new z. Hey, I'll tell you what we have a bunch of Students on co d that are from New Zealand and they are like crazy big chiropractic students So, you know for you guys, maybe go check out New Zealand and see if that rhymes with you That is that school has been recommended to me a number of times. I did an interview with uh Some students down there that just graduated and I'm blanking on their name. I just messaged them But yeah, they've got a great blog our extraordinary lives Brian Lanu Got it. And uh, yeah, so I've done interviews with a lot of these schools. I'm trying to get more I've got many more to go to reach my goal. Uh, where should location Rank in the criteria that you're using to choose a school because about 90 percent of people go to the school closest to them I think it like I said with the previous You know example you're asking me It all has to come down to to what you want, you know, some people like it. Let's just take an example I went to Palmer West in San Jose, which was a million people I was a campus guide and was lucky enough to go to Davenport, Iowa and check it out And I think those was maybe 50 000 people in all of Davenport You're saying in the in the area not at the school, right in San Jose. There's a million population Correct, correct. So I think when choosing your school You need to really look at the location having to do with what kind of vibes with you Do you feel like you learn best in that kind of hustle and bustle? Or do you learn best if you have no distractions and you're just 100% chiropractic from, you know, six to six type of thing So I think it's personal decision. Thank you for saying that that I agree 100 and I had never put it in that perspective Um Because I fight with the idea of just going to the closest school and yet for me it was location Even though it wasn't the closest school for me because I I have to have nature Accessible and I've got to be able to get out and and just kind of get that physical Uh relaxation and and rejuvenation That's great. Uh, okay Other than chiropractic, can you name one thing that? Chiropractic students just have to check out it can be anything movie food Uh a book, uh, just what have you come across lately that you're just super hyped about that you enjoyed so much that other people should check out I think just the ability to turn off and to do something completely different I don't know if there should be one specific resource because I think every person is different But I think for like exactly what you said, you know, I can be working so hard in in clinic I can be working so hard on the books, but I need to detach. I need to turn it off You know, I I I practice on the central coast. So I'm an ocean guy, you know I want to go put my feet in the sand and my water. I want to go surf I want to go run in the hills with my family, you know, so I think You've got to do something that's 180 degrees opposite of what you do every single day in chiropractic college So for me, I sat on my butt and went to class every single day for eight hours Which means I needed to go run and jump and get dirty and sweaty And get in the ocean for at least an hour to a day and if I could do that, you know I think I believe I could create a pretty good balance. I got me through awesome All right Thanks so much for being on exploring chiropractic. Let the students know how they can sign up for circle of docs Yep, very very easy. Just go circle of docs.com guys, you know, and just sign up It's right there. You can connect with your facebook You can, you know, put a name and user password in and and go about and do it all that way But that's it. It's literally one click you're connected via your facebook Which we actually prefer Because we can pull a bunch of your fun stuff with all of your friends and things about and you can share a little bit easier Anyway, and that's it go explore ask questions get involved The doctors that are the most successful are the ones that ask, you know A community raise, you know, they say a tribe can raise a person better than a one single person can Awesome. I I love the student forum in here Uh, you've got a couple guys that are pretty active and you know, there's questions like is it helpful to live with other students While you're in school or live on your own Um How much does it cost to go to college? I don't even want to think about that Hey, here's a great one. How did you choose your chiropractic college? I got to check that one out So circle of docs.com where can people find you and follow you dr. Bo pierce online? You can go circle of docs, obviously on facebook We are circle of docs facebook page. I think we have about 8 000 likes there as well You can friend me on facebook as well Yeah, i'm pretty easy to find and how about your podcast. What's that one called? um, that's called doc talk And it's just I pick a topic a day or I pick a week or just kind of what's on my mind I find with circle of docs I'm always talking chiropractic and I don't get a lot of chance to just talk off the top of my head to my patients So I blog once a week on my own personal site and about anything. I think this week I talked about um epigenetics and how you know how chiropractic plays a role in the epigenetics and the nervous system So i'm all about education and content and the more we're able to put out really great information To the world and to our community the it's going to respond back to you and it's going to grow your practice and life bigger Awesome. I'm dr. Bo pierce CEO and founder of circle of docs. Thank you again for being unexplored chiropractic. No problem. Thank you