 You got a line, you want to prove me wrong? Look at them all sticking up for animals. They're all extremists, vegans. What the f***? I think I agree with you. Would you become vegan for like a week? Hi, my name is Joey Carbstrong. I'm a vegan who has spent the last seven years trying to convince people that animal cruelty is wrong without as much success as I hoped. So I thought I'd try a new completely opposite approach. I'd pretend to support animal cruelty and harness the power of reverse psychology. This is how it went. Hello, Edmund. Edmund, I'm Joey. Good to meet you. You're in the sign. It says there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty. I did, I did. You're going to tell me what cruelty is? It's not wrong. There's nothing wrong with cruelty against animals. All right, I'm going to be honest here. I kind of agree with you. You agree there's nothing wrong with it? Yeah. Did you get emotions? Like what do you feel? I'm not emotional, but I think for me, you know, it's like a, like a logic finding mission. So it's just actually what you believe. No, no, no. I think if you eat the animals, it's okay. If you eat them? If you, if you eat them after, it's okay. Because think about it. Yeah, you've got animals eat animals. Yeah. To survive. Yeah. So like why can't we even? We're at the top of the food chain. So we're top of the food chain, right? Yeah. So like basically if you go in the jungle with a lion, as you and the lion, you'll come out on top because you'll eat them. You'll eat them straight away. Oh, knock him out? Yeah. You'll work with left hook bomb. Yeah. Left hook, goodnight. Right, boom. I watched definition of like a cruelty. Causing needless suffering for like, let's say like a burger or something like that. That's not exactly cruelty though, is it? If you're saying that eating animals is cruelty and that's okay. Now I'm saying like, like it's not cruelty if I eat them afterwards. After what? After I've been cruel to them. Okay, so you don't think, you don't see there's anything wrong with being needlessly cruel to someone? To animals. So what's the definition of an animal? Non-human animals, we'll say. So anything that's not human, anything that's not human, you mean? Yeah, because they're not human. As cruel as you like. Basically because they're not human, they don't matter. What do you consider, what do you classify as being cruel? I mean if I took like dogs like yours and I rounded them up into like farms where we put chickens. Yeah. Or farms where we put pigs. Yeah. And then put them in. And you think that's okay? Cruelty is like killing without having a reason. As long as there's a reason, like I make a, I kill you and I say it's to eat you. Do you think now it'll be okay if I have a reason? Yeah, for me it would be okay. For me no, maybe I will prefer to leave. It's animal, eater, animal. So like if it happens in like nature, if the animals do it, like other animals do it, then we can do it. Do you think we can copy our tigers? If it happens in nature, it's just, it's natural. They're a different animal though. They need to survive that way as well, don't they? Why do you eat animals? They're yummy. Human beings, you know, have evolved, you know, like at the beginning of time, you know, you can butcher an animal with your bare hands, you can punch it to death, you know, cats and dogs, whatever, you do it with one. Obviously things will change, you know, and like cruelty is less, is less acceptable because it's not needed, you know. If you can treat an animal in respect, regardless if you're going to kill it or not, if you're going to kill an eater, that's fine. But there's no need to be cruel to it before you kill an eater. We're being cruel to animals, and we're going to eat them and that's fine. Dogs, but in a way, dogs are yours. Beautiful. Yeah, but you'll round them up. And we put them in fact very far. Yeah, and then eat them, and then kill them. Exactly how most people get their meat. Like, I don't know if you eat deep. How do you think that's okay? No, I'm a vegan. You're a vegan, okay. Because I'm a vegan. You're too consistent. The reason I get confused, right, is because I'm saying there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty, okay? Yeah. But most people eat animals that come out of factory farms and support with their money, animal cruelty. There's a lot of things you have to consider. We just produce more that we consume, for example. And that is just a waste like you said before. So cruelty's okay as long as it doesn't go to waste? Yeah, it could be, yeah. So you agree with me? No, I don't agree with you because it's cruelty. Cruelty is like wasting. Cruelty is just wasting. So if I was cruelty only ate half of you, that would be cruel. But if I ate all of you, it wouldn't be cruel. Kind of. So let me get this straight. In your philosophy, as long as I eat the animal, the cruelty is okay or it's only okay to eat the animal if I killed them in a way that didn't cause cruelty? No, no, no. I mean, when you say cruelty, I'm assuming that you're talking about, you know, like... Human-inflicted suffering. ...of food, animals they want to eat, you know. Like you capture them and you breathe them, you look after them and then eat them. And then during that line somewhere, you treat them badly and you'll eat them. So like, do you eat animals? I do, yes. They're factory farm, they're treated crawly, so you actually agree with me? No, no, no. So I look for the ones that are treated well. Imagine you were sat, imagine you and your pet dog. You had like a pet, like, scenario. You had a pet dog for like 15 years. Yeah. You were stranded on a desert island with that dog here. Would you eat the dog to survive? I would eat them right now. Right now? Not even to survive, just because I feel like a burger. A dog burger. Yeah, why not? Would you eat pigs? Do you eat cows and chickens? Yeah. What's the difference? How am I supposed to argue with you? You're the least hypocritical of anyone who sits down. So, I don't know what that means, does that mean like I'm just too far gone, like you can't even try and talk to me? Well, basically, it's too difficult to talk to me. How am I supposed to make these comparisons when you've already understood them all and became vegan? You already know that eating meat's wrong. Like, yeah. You already know that factoring farming's wrong? Yeah, and is that what you believe? Do you believe it's wrong? The whole idea of this table is to try to get meat eaters to get angry with me so I can call them hypocrites. What the f***? I actually look and make sure that literally, I look for labels, I look, you know, I go to companies, I have good, like, reputations. You know the pigs are killed in gas chambers, over 90% of them. I don't need pork. Okay, well the chickens are also gassed and they're mostly factory farmed here, over 95% of them are factory farmed here. Okay, fair, but I mean, if someone tells me I'm too badly, I'll be like, you know, that, you know. With your actions. That's a warning sign. With your actions, you kind of agree with the sign, because you go out and do the community cruelty. That's not true. I don't go out and say, oh yeah, cruelty is good. Supporting, like, watch those animals, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but you with your money, you sort of. That's the sign that you're paying out. You're basically saying that me, you know. Supply and demand. Cheating badly. Now if I paid you to torture a chicken, you're basically paying someone to torture a chicken and kill them for you. Not torture them to kill them, to raise them to kill them for the supply. But torture is inherent. Not torture them. Torture is inherent in the. No, it's not. Okay, yeah. Are you sure? No, I am sure, yeah. Let's look. Well you should look into chicken farming, because I know a lot about it. I will, I will. You should look into it. You promise? That's ridiculous. It's not, it's not ridiculous. It's not ridiculous. Living free and enjoyment. Sure, that's fine. It's been happening for thousands of years. It's been happening for thousands of years. We've been eating meat for thousands of years. So the other side has been happening for thousands of years. You are vegan. Oh. She won't have any. I thought it. She won't have any. As humans, we prefer to pursue our life instead of animals' life. But the things we are doing at the animal are not necessary to maintain us. Oh really? Yeah, we can, we could live without eating animal right now. That's good, that's good. We don't need that anymore. We need it once, but now there's a lot of other ways. We, we don't really need that. And also it's not sustainable for the environment what we are doing to the animals. So all the intensive, I don't know how to call it, I don't remember the word. Factory farming, intensive farming. Yeah, all that. Yeah. It's like a waste of resources, water. So sorry, this table, do you actually believe this? Is this genuinely what you believe? Are you just doing it for the content? It's a reverse psychology thing I'm doing with people to sit down and get angry, but I didn't know that. I thought you might have been a meat eater. So I could. Oh, yeah, I'm a meat eater. Love me some meat. Thanks for sitting down. You're also welcome. She's got country down there. See, I've got these turned out to people. Do you know, you're making me want to go vegan. I'm not vegan. Yeah, but you're making me want to like be a vegan. So I'm changing your mind now. Yeah, I guess it was like, when you said we didn't need to, because I was saying, there's nothing wrong with the cruelty because if you eat these animals, then it's not cruel, right? But now you're telling me that I don't need to eat these animals. So it is cruel. Yeah. I think I agree with you. Do you want to talk to us? Oh wait, we've got her now. You want to prove me wrong? Look at them all sticking up for animals. Extremist vegans. So you're in the jungle, yeah? That's like some random, sorry. Imagine like, imagine that animal's done good for you. Yeah, like he's helped you through something. For example, imagine you were blind and you had a guidebook. I don't think it'd be right to abuse it because he's helping you out. So if they, if someone helps you, that's the only reason, only time you can't be cruel to them? Yeah. If they help you? Yeah. You haven't helped them? You're trying to eat me? Well, you're looking pretty, I don't know, there's a lot of calories on you. Fair enough. But also, if you eat me... You'd want to help me out pretty soon, dude. I'm getting pretty hungry. You're in a bit of a position now, aren't you? You can't help me. Would you become vegan for like a week? Me? Yeah. But you give me a good enough reason to and I'll think about it. I honestly don't think there's anything to eat out here except for animals. For example, if you're like a child, yeah, imagine you had a child and you fed him like a diseased with an animal. Look, I'm making sick and killing. Will you be okay with that? Or would you say that as well? No, not because my child's a human and I only don't care about animals. But humans are animals. So that means you think that doing something cruel to another animal is wrong. That means I've just proved you wrong. So you're saying I've got a double standard here? No, I'm saying that I just proved you wrong. Because I don't want to be cruel to a human, it's okay to be cruel to animals. Do you think I'm a bit of a hypocrite? Yeah, I think I've just proved you wrong. You don't want to be cruel to humans. But you can be cruel to animals. But they're the same thing. Humans are a species of animals. And they both feel pain and suffer. Yeah. You're just, you're just taking a bias, which doesn't mean that what you're saying here, you don't actually believe. Like you could say, you could admit like something, but deep down you know that I'm right. I think I should be more consistent, I think. I think what I am is a bit of a hypocrite and I think maybe I should not eat either. I think, yeah. So you admit that you're wrong? Yeah. All right. You're right. I am a hypocrite. Thanks brother. Peace mate.