 It's not it's not gonna get out of my head Tom plays a game about paper clips about paper clips about paper clips Yeah, hey welcome to vlog Thursday if you're wondering where Tom is he's getting sauced With that This is move us over just yeah, there we go. I don't now I want to get up again. There we go about that Framing it's important. It's important. It's very important. So it's getting sauced If you if you didn't read it, it's the hot ones the last day out. It's unopened. We're gonna open it later We're having a sauce party. We're turning Tom's phone off right now because good idea phone etiquette We have a wonderful assortment of them we have also Queen Majesty Scotch bonnet and Scotch bonnet. There's a whole assortment of sauces in here or bonnet bonnet if you're a French liquid insanity Beyond insanity hot sauce zombie apocalypse. I have actually had this stuff before really it blistered the roof of my mouth Nice. Yeah Rolls greatest house out. No brag just facts. Yeah, these this is all later. There's gonna be video later We're inviting some people over and we're gonna get sauced at the same table right here We're a huge fan to the hot ones show if you haven't watched it, please go just look up hot ones I do some great guest interviews. It's an amazing YouTube channel. I really inspiring We're gonna jump into a couple things. We've got news and Yes, we never even talking about this like it do we discuss the news do we How relevant do we are we in things and I'm bringing the latest from my phone So, you know, it's breaking. Hey, and he liked it. Oh, he liked my suggestion that They use this okay, who's they and why am I talking about it? Let's meet Let's get you filled in before I ramble on too much Citrix Zen server it's in the title here, and I didn't want to bury the lead make you watch for a video Just in case David Cottingham is watching maybe he is Anyways, this is this is the kind of something makes me really happy and I did a video about Citrix Zen server I don't know two videos ago. It's easy to find on my channel. I'll link it in the description below And what they have done is in a 7.3 version of Citrix Zen server as you guys know, I've just some videos I'm a big fan of the software because of a lot of reasons one of them being it's open source And it has a really easy import export, which is actually a feature. I really like it I think only ESXi and virtualbox rival it for that feature That being said they decided in the next version that they're going to eliminate some features and make them move Them to the paid now. I'm not Opposed to paying for software. This is not where the crux of the problem is at all But if it's worth it if it's worth it in any open source community a lot of this stuff that I got to play with and what's made Me a long-time open source advocate and Microsoft plays this game a little bit now Is they always give you licenses so you can try things and stuff like that But with the open source software you can get the software you can tinker with it figure it out take it Apart and it becomes the passion that gets into a product now people who start out with and it's funny because I know Some of the people and I was interacting with some of them last night on a discord channel. They're like, oh, I watched this video I'm in university Because you know they're in Europe. They call it uni. They don't call it college I guess they it's it's very it has a dramatic effect on them. They want to build up their own little home labs They don't have money for support contracts They're living on ramen noodles and you know taking back pop bottles here is what I used to do Yes, yes every ten pop bottles is the bag of ramen noodles But their their passion they put into the software and is kind of what they learn is also what they will bring with them when they become in the Enterprise or a larger market segments. So it's my theory and Perhaps there's some scientific evidence behind this has in red hat stock price that you can use software away And make money at it by selling support contracts and what Citrix decided to do was Make some changes to the system. We're gonna move these features that we already have in the system That you're already getting used to and say now you got to buy a license for them and support contract I think that's they've always had some features that were you unlocked with a support contract, which You know, I like it when all the features there and I just got to pay for sports I do buy support from companies or even have donation options to the project So if it's a monetary thing set up a donation option, you will be surprised I mean people will just throw money at projects. I know I do I got cards and I've talked about this before like from KDE I donate to I donate to the PF cents I have a subscription for them just because I like them and I used their software I've actually I pay for support that I've never used because I just want to give them money for the fact that we use your software I don't have problems with that part at all And I also make videos to help promote the products and things like that Well, this is the part that makes me happy about this because you're like Tom How are you happy that Citrix is changing as well? David Cunningham in this one Making a long story longer by using too many words Um, he's listening and he's works for Citrix according to his Twitter and they said he will discuss this in it I if they can is he important at Citrix. Yeah Okay, so I mean he's not oh yeah, so he's like his his Twitter says he's important Okay, I'll read his exact title. He's a computer scientist who runs Zen server partner engine open stack Project manager at Citrix. Okay allegedly so that's I'm assuming he's not buying so he's no right. Yeah. Yeah I mean, he seems any he seems gen use his answers were honest and back that they'll discuss it I that's if you discuss it, let me know I love when companies are very open about What's going on? We try to be very open about anything that we're doing and it's so appreciated actually this gets me Say when I see them, I mean they actually care about the product because they seen my Twitter I mean granted I tagged them in it But they didn't go. Yeah, some guy whining that he wants something for free Right. I hate when people are so dismissive like oh your open source. No, no, we understand There's a business model we understand, you know money can be made and there's business and this the whole economics of it But there's also the side that has made open source the phenomenon that it is is it understands how people work better It's we're all running Linux on at some level right now It's pretty amazing and even Microsoft finally just after Balmer said it was a cancer swung around and said You know You know because maybe it's not such a cancer, but I'll never admit that publicly But I will sign some internal documents And if you want to know how I know that all you have to do is jump to SMLR episode I can't remember the number, but it's called how Microsoft gets get I'll even throw that in there You can listen to how the open source came to Microsoft and how it changed the dynamic of that company I'm not giving Microsoft a pass on anything that I disagree with them I'm but I will give them pat on the back for doing the right thing with open source and giving a software So before someone says are you a Microsoft fanboy? No, have you watched anything? I've published So maybe really quick explain. I guess you hear the term open source. Everybody thinks free How do you make money with open source? So red hat is probably the best business model example and it was an article that they now are gonna be reaching a billion They're gonna be the first open source company to looks like they're gonna reach a billion dollars a quarter And what Michael Michael red hat does is puts a lot of effort and development in a cell support contracts There you go. That's where a lot of money I kind of modeled my business in some ways very similar to being open source, even though we're a service-based company We're very open about how we do things and we're very free with information Which this is a lot of what YouTube is for me is I don't know where to put things that I have a lot of knowledge on something And I want to share it with people and I started doing public speaking and I said, okay I'm giving away a lot here. How can I give away more because I spoke at colleges? It only scales so much It's hard to get in front of a crowd So I said YouTube and now, you know, I've only been posting on YouTube Consistently for the last like since we got this building here, and we built the studio But it's quickly going to almost 14,000 subscribers, which is exciting I think some of my videos like on firewalls have Cumulatively half a million views. That's just firewalls. I know it's a niche market So I'm not gonna see the views you get. Oh if you're someone more popular, which we'll talk about in a second You know the mainstream content. Yeah mainstream content. So I'm excited. I mean people there I love hearing when people say Tom you help me with a fire. That's great. I don't want anything returner. Thank you That's it. I mean cool. I guess I have my channel monetized for someone says you're making money off it Yeah, I've made like I'll I'm not afraid to share this. I've made like, you know $60-70 off one of my videos Wow, it took me six hours to make and my hourly rate is substantially higher Yeah, and I think I do this out of passion and I think we probably have $60 worth of hot sauce that we showed you earlier Yeah, yeah, so I like YouTube I it helps that it makes some money because I do put a lot of time into it But my it's still not what's gonna pay the bills and things like that for me It's I'm working on it. I want to make more education up But I always I like the the YouTube because it allows you to watch and add and then get content I don't because a lot of people said Tom you're given a lot of technical people tell me this time We're giving too much away, and I'm like, what do you mean? They're like you should be charging a paywall make your videos in a series and charge it and a lot of other technicians do that and I'm like Yeah, I yeah, no No, I'm just gonna keep giving it away as long as I can figure out ways that it doesn't cost me too much money You know not my time that that's expensive But I'm willing to donate my time and a platform if I had to try to host Millions of views the bandwidth might be a little bit. Well, we've already we've already seen that people will watch the video and In theory they could do the thing that Tom showed them how to do But then they call us and say hey, we saw your video on ABC and we not the channel Sorry, we saw your video on this thing and on the interwebs Yeah, and and we want you and we want you to do it for us So it's like and that's a service we provide as well. That's part of the marketing We do we put it out there people see the video and go. Hey, I'd like to contract you to set up my problem great We could have done it themselves, but they're not gonna. Yeah, and that's also a business decision I give you a lot of knowledge out there And it's kind of a decision like I I do know how to change the oil in my car It is more effective for me to do something else like talk about firewalls and have the people down the street There's a as a business owner you figure out delegation of things of what where do you wear the trade-offs for things? You should do or things you shouldn't do and that's just a personal decision You make because you like this or you like that and you delegate it out So if you want to delegate your firewall management and set up to us give me a call Give me call send me an email. We'll set those up for you firewalls unifies. We've set up a lot more of it And we're gonna be expanding So maybe because I mean that's that's how I actually pay the bills because the bills exceed $600 yeah 60 bucks Yeah, the bills are way higher than that. That's just a that's just the thing of life So enough of that topic now, but I just want to get that in there. So the Zen people we merely spent 10 minutes on it So it's okay. We spent 10 minutes on it. This is important things. I guess So less and completely unimportant no reason you should listen from here on out things. I Disagree, but okay, okay if you're still with us. Yeah I'm not I'm not gonna pick on them. Whatever. There's there's an audience for Logan Paul or whoever's name is is it Jake? I don't know those the dudes who Paul Logan I I'm gonna murder names either way. I like what the flowbots did if you haven't seen this I will link to the flowbots response video. I will not link to the original video, but you'll be able to find it It's not hard. It's on the tubes Speaking is grouchy crotchety old men that Tom and I are yes, this kid is 22 22 I think something like that and he makes these like, you know stunt videos and he's a little bit like the jackass Yeah, you know, and that's what we grew up with I feel he's a little more over the top with his behaviors, but I don't know I Let my kids they have a very wide breadth of what they're allowed to watch because I don't want to try to Force things so to speak on top of them and to be like, oh, you can only do this You can only that But they choose not to watch him they my both my kids just like yeah, he's unwatchable I'm like, all right, but I do find some of the other youtubers the scream tubers I call them. I'm not a fan of those get turned off when I come home. The kids are watching scream tubers I never thought see I always thought I'm gonna go be the cool dad I'm not gonna get disconnected from my children's, you know, like oh your parents didn't like the music was our thing You know, they didn't like the music we listened to so that was disconnect right oddly me and my children share our taste in music We do not share the taste and what we watch on YouTube and they watch a lot of YouTube We cut the cord like they've grown out without cable TV I cut the cord like eight years ago now eight or nine is like I we didn't bother with we don't watch TV much at all And but they do like YouTube and they like gamers and I call them the screamers the scream tubers They're just I don't know everything is a reaction of this thing happened And then there's like they're playing a game and there's like little heads of them Like the twitch gamers. Yeah, they spend as much time screaming as they do playing like the commentary doesn't bother me They're narrating the game and watching people play video games. I'll admit I don't understand it But I also don't watch sports. I equate it to watching sports. Yeah, sure and my kids who don't watch sports do watch that I guess it's a sport, so But it's my thoughts on that without the flow-ups video. I'm sure they were dying this morning. Oh my god. Yes, yeah It's such a great takedown It is yes of It's I'm hoping right now it is rising to the top of my favorite subreddit, which well one of my I have a lot of favorite subreddits I'm gonna do a video on reddit sometime, but that's a good idea. Yeah, it's murdered by words and Well, so what he did so what Paul Logan look whatever he did is he took the song handlebars by flowbots once you hear it it's stuck in your head and So what you know I can write a blog and Logan Paul I can ride a bike with no handlebars No, that song right that song is stuck in your head. It's in my it's been my morning now. Yeah. Yeah, I did it And he made a very misogynistic song I can ride your girl with no handlebars. I didn't even want to say it, but yeah, I can ride your girl with no handlebars Yeah, it's terrible And the video is also terrible and the flowbots did a response to it Really, oh, it's so good. It's so good. I will link to it because the flowbots responses We laughed this is we're still smiling every time I think about it. So that's a that's the part All right, no, it's and it's simple. That's what I love about it. It's simple and just like he does Oh, he destroys it. Oh It is it's really and I hate I made he just said a Trigger don't I hate titles like he destroys them watch this 30 seconds. Yeah I will actually watch the video will tell you what he does He completely comes up with lyrics are very clever as a response to this and it enter and paint us And that's why we're sharing it with you now Let's get back to business before we talk about all the other off topic things because I We could be off topic an entire show and if you listen to us, we'll do it Yeah, there's a demand for that. Just let us know Marvin and Tom off topic We could talk about nothing I like that actually we might have to start doing that Marvin and Tom off topic. No, I like that I'm all for it Maybe you are too. Maybe there's an audience for this. Yeah, what does randomly jump from thing to thing? I like it thing thing We are I did my video because I I started talking about what I do What I'm not doing some of the things like videos and people know me for free nash firewalls and things like that but I also do websites and we do that and this is what Marvin's been actually working a lot on is Starting this LTS creative launch that we're doing the website is not finished But I did it in a video. So if you watch that video, you'll find the name of the website There's my hint and encourage you to watch other things if you even care about WordPress But I did showed how a chance for the WordPress. I misspelled the name of the program in the title but that happens to Because you know typos someone says is it a joke that she spelled it that way. I'm like, yeah Well, no, Tom's not quite that deep I just typoed thank you and I will fix it. I actually think I edited it already so the title is correct But then someone else has a question. I didn't think about because I've been doing it for so long I have a hosting company and someone says, how do you start a hosting company? I'm like, maybe I'll do a how-do-you-start Stuff videos and how do you start a host? It's actually It's way easier than when I started it like 10 years ago Because we're moving hosting in if anyone follows me on Twitter And I haven't done this until we're done moving things over which is gonna be soon I'm gonna do a video on I'm called and I'm not titling it here as I doubt they actually watch my YouTube But they will when I tagged them in it of how to get an SSL certificate installed with site 5 you begin by opening A ticket you wait six days and then you tweet about it And then you hope you have enough followers that people go wow We'll switch your hosting company and then they start responding to tickets But don't worry. They'll still screw that up and still screw up and this is a renewal by the way This is not this is where it starts with where's my invoice to pay the SSL so I can get it renewed No response after a few days me saying again, then me going on Twitter They respond they created the invoice and said if you pay the invoice will do it I said I responded I paid the invoice now do it and they said no problem. We'll get it done right now Great. It's just a renewal just a renewal for an in-place SSL Somehow they couldn't manage that and another two days later the SSL expired after I paid it So they sent me another bill which then yeah That's kind of the gist of what happened and we finally after a day of not having an SSL cert It went back into effect and it's working now But I don't know why it took me more Twitter comments like if you follow my Twitter's read the comments So I had I'm like why can't you guys just I also asked us to pay the bill I'm not a technical in need person I've been doing hosting for over ten years like I know how all this works very well But when you have it locked out and I can't click update for the SSL because it won't let me renew What do you want me to do? I so I don't want to talk to support. I really do things myself He just what it's like the it's the live Futurama meme He's like take my money take my money and just give me the thing so They've also been dragging her feet about let's encrypt and that's been driving me crazy So we move we're moving all our hosting stuff over there and when it's all moved over I'm not trying to do a diss video for site 5 and I'll talk about the the non-existent support that I've been getting from them And this is not the first time it says they used to be a company that's just top-notch support I got responses in an hour to questions anywhere. There's server problems. I'm happy if I had a problem It's with my I understand how this works So my questions are very technical detailed in depth and I see responses like hey This and this is happening with these exact issues and they'll fix it Oh, yeah, we found a flaw in the DNS server setting right here and they fix it They've always been Johnny on spot for that and now they're just kind of Maybe you six days reply to get an SSL sort. Maybe you've exceeded their knowledge Tom. Yeah, apparently putting an invoice in the Freaking cart and watch it watch it. I know almost got demonetized there We also are working on our sales videos that don't suck We got one done last week I wanted to get more done But then the holidays makes people's timing hard, but I think we can get mr. Crospin in here today Before we do the other video we're gonna do sales video We also got Sylvia says she wants to do one Okay, so I'm taking people from outside the tech industry and getting them there and I want to bring them in there We had Tim Summers and we did his sales. It doesn't suck and we got a bunch of pens Which is awesome. I know we didn't grab any of them for the yeah, whatever we got new pens We are not at pens Tim got pens and I talked a little bit about you know the interactions This is B2B sales we want to talk about Michael Crospin is highly animated. There's gonna be a lot of profanity because the first question is can I swear? Yes, you can because I can't stop you like this is this is Michael. This is how he is He I love when he mouse the f-word silently Yes, it's so funny to watch you do because he knows there's times He's not supposed to swear so when he comes to that point in time and he's at a business function Where it would not be prudent to drop f-bombs He mouse the f-bomb and it's as if he said it you can hear him saying it But he doesn't he skips over the word. He's got he's got that figured out It's it's almost like someone just hit the mute button for that part not a beat Yep, just uh, you know this mother and then he just carries on like it did I can't pause and do that How does he that's a skill? Uh, yeah, maybe it's his military training. He is you know That video where I don't care if he's monetized there's gonna be some swearing Well, we'll just be ready with the bleep button. That's all I mean there may be long stretches where it's like It's gonna be funny. You should do an unnecessary beep with him. Oh, man. Yeah, just make it seem like he's saying terrible things He is He's so animated. It makes him a lot of fun to be around. I yeah, I you will You need in some instances you need to like like suit up for combat when you're talking to him because he just I mean his hands Are everywhere and things are happening Yeah, we have a few people who work obviously in B2B sales here that we want to get for these interviews That's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm excited about that as a project. Some people said they look forward to it I'm I want to put it together because I think that's sometimes a disconnect I want to do some more business talks and how sort of business I have friends of coach I've had friends who have launched companies all the way from inception to sale. That was a goal of the company They want to sell it and I help them with the sale of their company and it's You know, these are fun things. I like talking about I I've gone to several business classes and I speak at them and things like that So I want to you know, this is the same thing YouTube is in our place. I can scale that I've actually spoke several times at the University of Michigan MBA program on marketing and things like that I stood in front of a bunch of MBA students as a guest speaker and these are great things But this is what brings me to YouTube. It's how do I scale that? Well, I put it on YouTube and everyone can watch it, you know That's everyone can hopefully pick up something from it and there's other people like I see you share it with your friends share with your friends so As you guys can't tell I'm kind of hyper all the time, right? Yeah way too hyper food And this isn't a morning Early, that's what you'll notice that Tom is very animated and always talking during these and I'm waking up. I know It's funny because they want to there's the part of the Goldman Sachs people want to bring me and I'm Hang out with them and Washington. I've been debating whether I want to go But it's anyway. I might go because it's fun. I like all the people from there because I'm If you can dig through I'm part of the Goldman Sachs alumni. It's called the 10,000 small business program So before you put up the pitchforks and hate Against them. There's actually some good. They did and once again I take companies and divide them up just like I do politics and everything else and say what good Did they do what bad that he do and that's focus on the good I focus on the good encourage a good discourage mad house. I don't give them a pass on Anything I'd say these are things that they're doing they're positive in the community These are things that are negative and we work through it things are I wish everything was so binary black and white like you Hater love something, but it's the real world's a more convoluted than that. Yeah shades of gray shades of gray All right, we've been babbling for 20 minutes now. Have we yeah for 20 minutes. Yeah, we plan to babble more So as always Let me get to me breathe in some enthusiasm here smash that like button Come on guys right there smash the button. I don't know ah The over-the-top stuff. I don't know it doesn't it doesn't feel to suit me like I I'm excited first things on passion about technology I love getting up on stage and talking to people and and doing all this stuff, but I'm never about Although I've been accused of being narcissistic on a few occasions. Hi honey. Are you watching? Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say I was just in a gathering last night where you may have been called that word Yeah, I chose not to go to said gathering with my wife, but my wife and Marvin went to said gathering not together We just ended up there together. Yeah, they ended up there together, so So yeah, she was not thrilled with me yesterday, so I I played. Oh, we will end it on this Paperclip game. Oh, yes. We forgot to talk about this So we will end it on the paperclip game if you don't know what universal paperclips is It's it's amazing It is Something I got to obsess over there's two. There's not many games. I obsess over but occasionally I do And that's my reason sometimes we're not playing video games because I can't play anything. It's it's passion or shrug Those are my modes of operation. I either obsessively play it first eight or nine hours And not sleep Which is what happened with people came I want to get to space exploration part. I got aggravated There's parts of the game. I love part of game. I hate but the concept is you make paperclips and They it's a thought experience that is a clicker game, so to speak, you know, where you just have numbers going on There's no real graphics to it. There's not really much going on So to speak you make paperclips you balance out the public demand for paperclips with the pricing budgeting marketing there's a lot of business aspects to it, but then of course it goes off the rails because You eventually make so many paperclips you consume all the matter in the universe So it it has it has like what if you extrapolate it out the conclusion to any manufacturing thing and we just you know We would AI bots and quantum computing so it gets very deep but it's a cool thought experience a lot of fun and I have a question that maybe people can answer below here if you've even made it this far in the video is Is is cheating. What do you feel about cheating on a game on that game? Yeah, I'm okay with cheating on any game This is depending on what it is because they literally have cheat Macros cheat pieces of code in there in the council Because you can actually put those in and they're part of string functions already in there They've made it easy to do you type cheat bracket bracket and it just works. Yeah, and Because they've actually done that in there. It makes me think that it's part of the game Because it's not like part of the game exposed as you open up like in chrome you can you can do the right-click inspect and open up council go to council and You can look at the variables and you can modify the variables and you can directly modify them And but part of that suit even being an entrepreneur. I think it's partly the mentality like that your game in the system I mean you can go say I just want to do these things and I want to not change the world and that's fine I no problem if that's what you want to do But that's kind of what to me being entrepreneurs like you want this I'm not seeing cheat the system lie or things like that. I don't know nothing dishonest I don't agree with that, but I think that's part of it is is you take and look at things you go And how can I do this different? It's kind of like the hacker mentality? How can I do this different? How can I accelerate that if the goals to get to here and I don't break any rules I don't hurt anybody to get to here. I just change some variables and do it because I made an improvement on system Is that part of that game? I mean if you want to bring it to real world I mean, is it really any different than like using using a connection that you have? Mm-hmm right I mean that's the whole point of networking right as I mean Yeah, you know if if yeah, you want to get to this certain point and you can follow all of these steps But if you know somebody who can put in a good word for you or whatever and you skip over a couple of steps It's not illegal. It's not immoral. I don't think you talk to a person who can help you there You're cheat. Yeah, if you want to call it a cheat. I say it's an advantage Yeah, so I just look at it. It's it's the same way a lot of technologies get adopted We take things we look at the technology and we go I bet we can do this better and you take it apart and you make it better And this is actually goes back to my original talk about open source. How do you feel about them? Well full circle I full circle I get the source code. We look at the source code We say I can improve upon this and that's part of why open sources become the back end of the internet And is just a major expansion here because people get to get it They tinker with it and they don't just take it as is they go I think I can improve upon this and they build it and I see you know Elon Musk is launching rockets in space So the camera telling us we were talking for too long is the reason we're gonna stop talking now If you want to hear more of us or if you want to hear Tom and Marv off topic. Yeah Yeah