 I'm playing the theme song. It's just a quarterly hangout. I figured, what the heck? Make it all official. Then I forgot to turn it up and that ruined it. Hi, Jenny. Hi, Tom. Welcome to the official, I think I'm out of misnamed this. Did I misname this? It's Q1. Q1. Analyst hangout. Let's see. What did I call it? No, I call it Q1. Yeah. Yeah, we're good. We're in good with the financials. So hopefully Roger Chang's gonna pop in here in a little bit. And we're just gonna update you on what's up with DTNS for the next quarter. Obviously, you all probably already know already that the biggest news is, of course, Jenny taking on awesome new responsibilities at Marketplace, working with Kai Rizdal over there and friends, including Molly Wood. And friends. And we're excited about that. We're excited to see Jenny be able to apply her talents across an even wider empire. But it also unfortunately means that, because they do their show in the middle of the day, which you won't be able to be around regularly for the post-show and pre-show hangouts, but you're still involved in the show. You'll still be around as much as possible, maybe for things like this, you're gonna be at the meetup. So let folks know where your head's at on all that. Okay. So I am super excited and nervous because I don't know how many of you know, but my dad was in public radio and it took me a long time to get up the nerve to think about maybe going back into that world. But Marketplace is a really good program. They do good storytelling. And so the job is actually to take stuff that begins life on the internet and tell stories about it, which sounds very copacetic with what I've been currently doing. So like one chunk of your past few years has been creating shows for the internet and figuring out how the internet works and learning about news for the internet. And another chunk has been creating a storytelling podcast that tells stories. Boom, right together there. Yeah. And that's really exciting, but my one thing about doing it was I wanted to make sure that I could throw everything I have into that job, all of my skill, all of my stuff, everything I've learned here on The Daily Tech News Show, but that I didn't want to go away from The Daily Tech News Show because to me, that's like a community that extends beyond just the job that we do every day. And there are job functions that happen during the day that Roger will take over like booking guests and like Roger's already been doing a lot of the work of publishing and writing. And oh look, you say his name and he appears. It's amazing. Hi Roger Chang. We were talking some hard smack about you Roger, I won't lie. So I was just saying- He was saying things like you're gonna be doing booking, like really, really hard smack. Smack talking. Isn't that what I'm doing now? Yeah, so you are starting to do that job already and we'll start it on Monday. And the most important thing to me was that I could still be part of the community and part of the team that helps guide this show. So that's what I'm doing. I have this title called, what did we call it? Senior Advisor to Daily Tech News Show. I'm gonna change it if I decide to, but- We need to hire some more advisors so that that senior really packs a punch. Yeah. And you can board it over them. Yeah. And I'm still involved in any sort of Daily Tech News Show type thinking about where we want this show to go as are all of you out there. So people who listen to the show just as a podcast will hear almost no difference, almost no difference. And then Tom and I have been talking about a way that I can still contribute to the show editorially and we have some interesting ideas about that. So things will change, things change, but they will also remain the same. Yeah, if your focus is the main show, the one that goes out as an audio podcast, the one that starts with the theme music and ends with the theme music, you shouldn't notice a change. Maybe in the back of your mind somewhere, you'll say, gosh, didn't Jenny used to jump in every once in a while, and maybe that won't be happening. But otherwise, same stuff. If you're a fan of the post show and the pre-show, obviously that's gonna be a big change. And I feel like the post and the pre-show are almost like a second show. In fact, we even talked about making them a second show. And so I don't wanna undervalue that, but it's also not, I don't know, I don't feel like it's a horrible tragedy or it's a huge, huge deal. It's just gonna change that dynamic and we'll have to figure out ways to get Jenny involved in other ways, which is awesome. That is fun. If someone pops up in a luchador mask a month into the new regime, don't be surprised, it might be me. You own a luchador mask? No, I don't yet. I do, I have one right here. I was gonna say, between Roger and Justin Rubber Young, I have a feeling we could hook you up. Probably we could get a luchador mask. I'm sure you've got plenty of other luchador mask obtaining friends, right? Absolutely. So yeah, so that's the plan. And why do one job when you can do 75? By the way, Chimera gets you because Chimera said, so it's like when Rob Lowe left the West Wing, where Jenny is Rob Lowe. Right, she's still always around in that universe. You just see her less and then eventually she comes back. I got a luchador mask right here and it fits, well it fit four years ago. Here, I'll just reach out and grab that. Thanks. Oh, that would be amazing. Toss that over. When do we get to that level of technology where you just like put it in the box and it just goes into the room? You know, at that point, I don't think, I don't think a Google Hangout of this show will be enough, you'll just have an audience beam into your living room. Yeah. So yeah, so that's all there is. And the idea has always been that DTNS is a platform for people to be able to not only help bring you insights on the news, that's my deal particularly, is like I just enjoy reading all over all this stuff and if my enthusiasm and joy in doing that helps you get a handle on the news because you don't have the time or inclination to read through all that stuff every day and then I think we're doing our job. That seems to me the main purpose of the Daily Tech News Show but I've also wanted to make it a place where folks can use it to explore how this kind of crazy podcasting world works. Even 10 years on, we're still trying to figure out new ways to do things. I think we'll always be doing that. And so Jenny's gonna help with that too, continuing to advise and say, well, what about this? Can we try this? Oh, I know this person. And hopefully creating some bits and we wanna do more different kinds of content too. Yeah, we're gonna keep growing. That's the exciting part. Yeah, and I have often said this, I don't know how clear I've made it. I don't believe in growth for growth's sake. I am not a numbers chaser. And so people often, what are the numbers? And I'm like, I don't know. I look at them, they're interesting, stats are cool. I like stats, I'm a stats nerd. But I am especially pleased about DTNS that we don't have to chase the stats. We don't have someone else holding something over as saying you really gotta get the stats up 10% this quarter. I want to go after the content first. I've always been a believer that if you focus on the content first, and then other things, it can flow from that. And so now that we've got the daily nailed down, and now that we've got day six in development on its way, and a possible day seven with our new milestone shaping up, it kind of loosens the strings, we can go free. We can float around and try. I want to do explainers, I've been for a long time wanting to sit down and find the time to be able to say, okay, blockchain, here's how it works. Okay, Apple encryption debate, here's how it works. But also, Jenny likes to tell stories. I'd like to get more stories from Jenny. Justin likes to deep dive on things and do what's follow the money trail sort of thing. I'm probably not explaining that well, but Veronica likes to talk to people and figure out how the different worlds that create startups and create new technologies work. So I kind of want to just make this a place where people can explore that sort of thing. Yes, I agree. And so yeah, so things always change, but they always stay the same and the one thing that keeps growing is our amazing Patreon support, which is amazing. Every time I look in there, I'm like, wow, this is incredible, it blows my mind. Yeah, and one thing I want to encourage people to do is interact with us through the Patreon. And many of you already do, and that's great, but I think some people don't realize some of the tools that are in there. If you are backing the show on Patreon, you can send us messages. We post in there regularly, which I know most of you see, but I've had a few people go, oh, I didn't realize that this posting about what's coming up was in there. I didn't realize that the meetup directions were in there, this and that. So be sure to check that if you're a patron. If you're not a patron and you support us by PayPal or the store or something only, we'll still give you information in other ways. I just want to make sure that people are getting the most out of what they have at their fingertips. It is a community, I will say. There's obviously a chat room community that's very active during the time when we're taping the shows and all other times, really. And there are emails, which we get amazing feedback from people at Feedback at DailyTechNewsShow.com. But really, that Patreon area has become a place where we talk things out in a certain sense and really get a great aggregate of feedback, right? The emails are great for really specific detailed feedback that we get from one person and then we take the whole of that. But that sort of ongoing Patreon conversation, I think is one of the more subtle benefits of that platform. One thing that I've been getting a question about more regularly is people hearing about the Slack channel and they're like, how do I get in on the Slack channel? There are two DTNS Slack channels, one of which you won't get into because that's the one we use to plan the show. So unless you're actually a regular staffer on the show like Roger or Jenny or you're a contributor, we keep that one for planning, just like what are we gonna talk about today? And I know that would be interesting, but we kind of need to keep the chatter down in there. But we have one called the Analysts Slack Channel, which is for people at the analyst level on Patreon. And some folks who are backing at the analyst level have said, I don't see the Slack invite. There could be a couple of reasons for that. One is you haven't gone and looked in your email, maybe spam caught it. The other is that you just started backing after the first of the month, and I send out the invites to that channel at the first of the month. So that's how you get in the Slack channel and that is one of the benefits of supporting the show. We really emphasize that the show is supported because you want the show. And that's why we're like, look, give us a dollar a month. That helps, if everybody in the audience gave us a dollar a month, we would be golden, we would be rolling in it, we could do everything we want. But some of you can't, and we totally get that. And so we provide some incentives for people that wanna support us a little more. Yep. And it's great, that's the Slack channel, it's amazing. If you're an analyst, you should have seen either in the Slack channel or on Patreon a Skype number that you can call into for this hour. I see a couple people have done contact requests to that Skype number, but just message me. Message me on that Skype number and I will call you and we'll take your question. If you have a question, if nobody has questions, that's fine too. It is early in the year, you know? So maybe you're just feeling like, you know what? Let's just say Patrick's Day, whoa. What happened? Santa Claus is trying to break into your house. No, Eileen's playing with the dogs upstairs. Santa Eileen is trying to break into the house she already lives in with the dog. BioCal says we didn't post the live stream to the Slack. To the Slack, no, I didn't post the live stream to the Slack. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm gonna do that right now. But I did post it to Patreon. If you want to. Oh, you know what? I know why you're saying that and you're correct, BioCal. I, in Patreon, watched this space for the link and then I went to Patreon and I posted the link but I didn't realize I cut and paste that same language into the Slack and then forgot to put it in Slack. Apologies for that. Did you get that? Did you cover that? Let's see, so this is if you want to watch. See the previous note if you want to call in. Yes, there we go, perfect. Done, see? Live action. Well done, BioCal. We respond to our audience in real time. Yeah, so now it's there in the Slack as well. But if you're not at the analyst level and you want that kind of stuff, I posted the link to this in Patreon for all patrons, no matter what level. So that's another reason to keep your eye on that sort of thing. What other stuff do we have? Roger, do you have anything you want to talk about as far as like, you know, booking guests or things you're thinking of working on? I love the fact that we got Shane from a viewer, like as a recommendation. I think, you know, if more of you have suggestions of people you would like to see contact us, I mean, it's great. We're always looking for people to help contribute and kind of fill out a lot of these discussions, especially ones who have like, direct hands-on experience in the matter. We would also, I wouldn't mind like, figuring out content-wise, what would you like to see upcoming in terms of information or topics you would like covered? The earlier we can get that, the sooner I can get the wheel spinning if it requires multiple guests or finding more about a topic would be awesome. The one thing that always helped guide me that I don't know if you've looked at lately, I don't know if you've ever looked at, is the survey that we did in like Q1 and, yeah. So, I don't have access. All right, let's get you access to that. I don't have access to Superman's Fortress of Solitude. That has some great data. So whenever I'm feeling like, what should we do? I go look at the survey. And the survey says, book Molly more often, so I do. And actually the survey results are public, so we just need to send you the link. Yeah, so that I think is a really, oh, that's a good point, Ophelophagus. I want to see more tensor guy. I would agree. Because every time he comes out, he has like really great smart, sciency things to say. So yeah, that's one of those things that we're very responsive to given enough time to implement and given those people's availability, so. Yeah, we've talked a lot and we're still working on the best way to bring more people from the audience on in addition to the regular yearly listener co-host show, which I intend to keep doing. But one of the ways that I want to do that is to, I keep going round and round about the idea of focusing on generic topics. When I say generic, I mean evergreen, like something that isn't necessarily attached to the news of that particular day and the headlines. So this is something I'm just throwing out there. If you want to email us or tell us in Slack or on the Patreon, somewhere, send us a message or send us a thread, would you ever want the discussion section separated in some way from the headlines? And I'm not saying that's something I'm going to do, but it's something I've considered. One way to do it is leave the show as it is right now but also do a separate headlines-only version, which by the way, TheaterMonkey already edits out the headlines from the main show and puts them out as a separate feed, which you can get on our subscribe page, dailytechnewshow.com, if you want that feed. But I'm thinking like what if we recorded a shorter version of just the headlines? And if we did that, would we like reduce the number of headlines in the main show, leave it the same, just make a discussion-only section that doesn't have to have headlines in it at all and is much more evergreen? I don't know. I'm not saying I lean one way or the other, but I'm always rolling these things around in my head. I wish there was a way where you could, like a platform where you could do building blocks, right, where you could just easily say like, click here, I want all of my DTNS. Oh no, wait, I just want the headlines here and maybe the post-show. Oh no, no, no, I want this block or just the discussion. Let's just move blocks around like in a- I mean, we could do that for people. We could have a feed that's prerecorded headlines. We could have a feed that's just discussion. We could have a feed that combines them both. The live stream would become different. And there is a difference between saying, I'm gonna sit down and read 10 headlines now, like I do on days off, where it's just me and a minimal amount of discussion versus the headlines we do in the show where it's me and a contributor and we have sometimes very ample discussions. Right, let's know what you think. Yeah, part of me is thought, well, what would it be like? Would it be good if we, let's say at 10 a.m., like early in the day, I just sit down and I'm like, these are the headlines so far, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, put that out as a short dispatch for people who just want the headlines. And then for the main show, we do fewer headlines. Maybe we do three or four or five headlines and do the more discussion-y part of that and then focus on a main topic, I don't know. Yeah, and the other thing too is like, then you're segmenting out into day part because obviously the headlines will change a little from a 10 a.m. to a 130. So then you're getting into the issue of like which ones do you put where? Yeah, there would be duplication for certain. Yeah, so that is a thing. So Shane is texting us a question over Skype because he's in a loud cafe. He wants to hear more about the explainer idea that I mentioned. So the explainer idea is mostly me sitting down and doing an expanded version of the notes I often do for a discussion section. So with blockchain for instance, I would say, okay, this is what a blockchain is, this is why people think it's important, this is the effect it could have and this is what it could have on your life. Maybe 10 minutes, I don't know, something like that and just audio, just walking you through it. I could use that, that would be useful and I think that would be kind of cool if it were like tagged to one of those stories that's like bubbling, like you know like for a while there was like a story every day about Bitcoin or right now there's gonna be a story every day about Apple and the FBI and like a little explainer about that would be amazing because then that takes people who are like, for example, I found out the other day, my mom listens to this show. Hi mom. I don't know if she'll listen today, cause it's Saturday, but she actually listens to this show and sometimes she says like obviously because the audience is not directly geared to her, it kind of, some of it like washes over her and like maybe if there was like a place that was like what we could link to and be like, so we talked a lot about FBI and encryption today, go in the show notes and click here and you could hear a larger explainer about that. Like that's what I like is the ability, not just to like say it, but to link to it and give people a path to follow if they want like more about something. You know, I was wondering like as part of the explainer like what you were talking about blockchain, Tom, you could do or we could do, collective, a short explanation about certain news stories that we cover, for example, the FBI versus Apple. Sure. Why is it a big deal? And you know, and not so much an opinion, but literally stating what the issues are involved in. So if Jenny's mom comes across as like, well, you guys keep talking about it, I'm not really sure what's going on. She can listen to like a five minute, three minute thing that says, okay, this is what's happening and these are the positions that are taking. Or that would be good. Like a intro to a boxing match. Like you get the intro to the boxing match and then you watch everybody box. You know, like it's just like a catch you up in case you haven't been following. It's kind of like a fact. A fact, yeah. Where are we today or timeline or something? Well, one of the things that I try to do in the preparation of the show, especially in the writing of the headlines and my notes, is to separate the fact from the opinion. I want us to have lots of opinions on the show. That's why we have a discussion section, right? Is so we can say, well, here's what I think. But I also wanted to be clear like, what is opinion and what is fact? And I think that is something that is sometimes fudged more than it used to be in the world of news and especially in tech news, which is someone telling you about the Apple encryption debate and telling you why they think Apple is right. Rather than just saying, hold on, this is actually just what's happening. And then we can move on to why we think one side or another is right and what the implications might be and all of that. But sometimes it gets lost. People are like, because of the rhetoric, they're like, the FBI wants to put back doors into everything. I'm like, I don't know, maybe they do. That's not what's going on in this case, though. What the FBI is asking for is very specific in this case. And I think it's important to note that stuff so you can have a rational conversation about it. Because if you are on the side of one or the other, you will be able to more accurately counter fear mongering from the other side. And there's plenty of fear mongering to go around, and I'm not picking on anybody when I say that. Munger. I know, I love that word. Yeah, it is kind of like iron munger. So I've always imagined someone with fear at an anvil. I've also recently become a fan of the word argl-bargle. But I guess that's- Is that a word or an amount of fear? It's a thing that oddly enough, late Justice Antonin Scalia used to use a lot in his written decisions. He called it argl-bargle, and I looked it up. It's a real word in the dictionary, and it's pretty awesome. But it's like a word that your great-grandparents use all the time. Is it like gobbledygook? It's copious, but meaningless talk or writing, semi-colon nonsense. It is like gobbledygook. It's like someone saying, oh, he's a loli-gagger, so it's just like a slacker. Oh, this is another term for argy-bargy. Well, let's move it up. That's argy-bargy, you're the best. And Justice Scalia is, of course, the very first search result after that. That's amazing. Yeah, he loved argl-bargle, and when he passed away, they kept putting it out there, and now it's like in my head. Mollardash. Sun is a headstone, argl-bargle. Argal-bargle. So what else? What else is cooking? What do we do on these calls? I don't know, man. This is the third one we've done, and I think everybody got spent on their questions. They're like, I don't know, you answered all the questions. Just keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, and that's great. Actually, Biocat was one of the people's like, I think the show's fine as it is. That is a perfectly legitimate answer to our questions, and why we don't constantly change the show is because we also think that the show is pretty good, but we're always looking for those little things that will make it better, which keeps it from getting stale. Yeah. Waffle-Officus had a good suggestion. That's a sentence I don't necessarily think I'll get to use starting next week, but Waffle-Officus had a good suggestion about maybe outsourcing some of those explainers as well. Like, if you know someone who really knows the blockchain, maybe get them to submit it or get them to talk about it with you if it really becomes a complex thing. Well, that's a different thing, and a fairly good suggestion. That's called an interview or third-party content, which we're always for. I'm just talking about these are things that I want to do, too. So yeah, that's not to say those things are mutually exclusive, for sure. So I was wondering how the audience would feel about... You know, we often talk about privacy and we talk about encryption stuff. I was thinking of reaching out to the EFF and getting one of their spokes bots to come on and kind of discuss what privacy advocates are most concerned about in a lot of these issues, especially with regards to things with Apple and FBI. What we were saying, this is actually quite the opposite of just doing this straight, like, what's going on. This is okay. This is what this side has to say. Can you know if we can reach out, maybe find someone in law enforcement or whatever, give an equally cogent and articulate. Here's the problem with that idea. And it's not a problem in the idea. It's a problem in the executing, which is EFF will come on. They'll at least put us in touch with someone who could speak intelligently about it if they can't provide someone themselves. I have no doubt about that. Then when you go to law enforcement, the problem is they'll either want to give you a press spokesperson, which will only tell you the things you could read on your own and probably not have the deeper understanding that we want of the issue. Or you'll find somebody who'll be like, yeah, let me explain to you some things that you didn't understand, which is why we need to have these kinds of policies in place. Oh no, I can't talk on a show, right? And I've had these conversations with actual real living human beings saying, yeah, I've worked in cybersecurity and this is a perspective on it that you don't hear brought up. And I'll say, great, would you wanna come on the show? I was like, oh no, absolutely, absolutely not. I could never, I couldn't talk as freely in public. And that's not, I'm not putting blame on them for that. That's just kind of the nature of the business. So it's tricky to find those people. It's like when we had our friend from Korea on to talk about how the backbone worked. I also have several people who tell me inside information about peering disputes and things like that, which is great. I love educating myself on it, but I can't use any of it because they're all under NDAs and all of this sort of thing. So yeah. Yep. And that actually brings me to the refrain that I've said before too about the DNS not being journalism. It in the widest sense it's journalism and I don't mean to self disparage us when I say that, but we are not a newsroom. We don't have 15 reporters to go out on beats and call people and do stories justice the way that a tech crunch does, the way that an arse technica does, the way that a wire does. So I feel like our best position and the narrowing of our focus is to say what we're good at is following all this stuff and putting you in touch with the information on a deeper level, putting it in context for you because we touch it all every day and sort of digesting it for you. That's our good thing. It's tempting to want us to go down the road farther and start to do reporting. And I think that's where you start to stretch it too thin and which is why I love it when we get experts in the audience who actually work in industries to email us to send us audio and to point you in the right direction. Yeah. It's trying to avoid mission creep, essentially. Right, like, you know, maybe it's really valuable to have a broad overview that you can just take away and say, okay, now I feel like I know what's going on, the most important things going on in the tech world and I might choose to dive deep down into one of them. Right, and I might choose like that's enough for me, now I know. You know, I remember knowing, and like one of the things that makes time so valuable if I may embarrass you for a second is I remember back in Heartbleed times, remember Heartbleed, that very exciting vulnerability that surfaced not last year, early last year. Almost a year ago or two years ago. It's in the year in tech history, I just updated it, it's in that post. So I think it's two years ago, actually. Yeah, and so I remember that we had Heartbleed on day one. The day that it became a thing, it was a headline. And I noticed it took three days for it to trickle up to national media. And now we may do that sometimes or sometimes we may, it just like news happens after our show and it's on the next day show, like the news cycle, the news cycle in tech is pretty predictable, but stuff happens. But I remember how far ahead, because you were like, look, I talked to Steve Gibson, there's a thing and we had him on the air the next day and you knew from your analysis like how big a deal this was and we need to really act on it. And just that level of news sense is very valuable when you're otherwise swimming upstream against a wash of press releases and things going on and the ability to place things in context with the rest of the history of tech is insanely valuable. And I think that's what drives the support of this show is that Tom's really good at his job, people. Enjoy it. Yeah, hopefully. Oh, just take that compliment, just take it, wear it. I also think, and I'm seeing people in the chat room saying like, hey, I'd be willing to take on this topic and do a deep dive, I'd be able to, I'd wanna do a couple of these. We should really create a formal method for that. And the reason I say formal method is so that it's easy for you guys who wanna do it to know like, okay, it needs to be in this format, this length and I give it to you by putting it in this folder or sending it to this address or whatever. So that's something we should probably work on. And the other reason is I do want to, for other people in the audience, separate what it is that Tom said from what it is that audience said. And that's not because I think one is necessarily less valuable, it's just that if people have questions and they always do, I want them to know where they should go with them, right? So if we just put everything out, it's gonna be feedback at Daily Tech News Show. Tom, why did you have Waffle-Offagus say, blah, blah, blah, blah? And that's another thing to set up is like, if you're one of those contributors who's making those explainer pieces, how do we get those questions back to you and give you the credit for it too. So that when people are like, hey, that was really great, they know like, oh, that was that person, that was Shane, and they know where to go to get more of them. Yes. Also, Forty Thieves, I'm really sorry. Forty Thieves said, any thought about bringing back the calendar? I really like that segment. I hate to say this, this is always the hardest one, right? Because this is the curse of forecast to the old podcast I did with Scott Johnson is when you have something that is very unpopular but really loved by the people who do love it. And I'm probably overstating it with calendar, but yeah, nobody liked it. And when I say nobody, I mean, most people, not nobody. So probably not gonna bring the calendar back. Yeah, it also just like, unfortunately sometimes it got the thing with tech news is that while there are always new and exciting things on the calendar, a lot of it just repeats because it's this conference or that conference or this product release and look, I know those product releases are actually probably the most valuable thing, but I like a calendar that you can go look at and say, okay, this is coming up and that's why I like the one on tech meme. So it didn't feel like we were necessarily adding anything to the idea of calendaring tech news. Does that make sense? Like we weren't doing it as forecast, right? Yeah, that may be why people didn't like it. That seems perfectly reasonable. All I know is in our surveys, it was overwhelmingly like, I can skip the calendar, doesn't seem to add much, brings the show to a stop. So yeah. But I do think it says, I could see why people didn't like it, probably would be better on TNT with more hosts. Probably worked better on TNT with more hosts. Maybe, maybe that's why. But yeah, it's just like, that's actually something to think about though for future, like what could we do to make that valuable, you know? I just think with a calendar, as someone who spent a lot of time in news and lived and died by futures planning calendars, you really have to dive in and have everything or nothing. Right, like you really have to like, like you want a calendar to be comprehensive. You want to know every single thing that's gonna be happening. And so that's why you either go to tech meme or you build your own and nobody's ever really, to me, people have tried, but online even, they haven't really locked down the concept of like a futures planning calendar in like a pleasing visual way. Maybe I'm wrong, tell me if I'm wrong because that would be super cool to find something like that. But there used to be one, but it like died. All the toilet condolce is in the slacks as like, I probably can't make the analyst call, but I know you've always said that you would back us up any time we were to refer ourselves as co-executive of the show. Ooh, maybe this is private, maybe I shouldn't say this. But yes, before I read the rest of it, short answer is like, yeah, you call yourself a co-executive producer of the show, I will say yes, this person is backing us as that level. Oh, I just wanted to know if you can use it to get into trade shows. I don't know. Try it. Yeah. I'll tell you what, if you send us a report back, 30 seconds, send it to our phone number or email it to us, little audio file off your phone, then you have covered the show, haven't you? Yeah, here's what I will definitely say is don't lie. Yeah. And don't even imply things that aren't true. When you say you're a co-executive producer, if that's all they ask, that's fine. That is true. If they say, what is your role as co-executive producer and you say, well, I advise Tom Daley on, no, that's not true. We're fans of truth here. So, you know, just be honest about it. But yeah, like Jenny said, if you actually contribute to the show from that conference and we use it. You're a contributor. Yeah, exactly. And again, you're not employed by the show. So you can't say that. You're a freelancer or a contractor or associated, but yeah, I'm willing to back anything as long as it's true. Yep. All hail truth. What is truth? What is truth anyway? I mean, come on. Let's get into a deep philosophical discussion about truth before breakfast. I haven't had breakfast. I'm so hungry. Oh, and Shane says, is the rate of the patron increase going well or is it leveling off and could use a boost? It continues to rise at a fairly steady rate, but sure, could it use a boost? Yeah. Damn right. Always. We always have ideas about things we can do. I'll put it to you that way. Sometimes, do we necessarily tie them directly to a patron level? We don't, right? But we have ideas and sometimes they take a level of funding that we might not have yet because essentially, what it breaks down to is, look, if somebody does work for this show, we want to pay them, right? We don't, it's one, we can't do it for every contribution or every email or everything that's done in, but if someone takes the time to come in on and be on the show on a regular basis. If we're asking them to do it. If we're asking them to do it. To do it versus like, hey, if you want to do this great, if not, whatever. We want to be able to compensate you and reward you for that, and that takes, we have a limit on what we can do right now. But yeah, we always have ideas, there are always ideas. Finally, before we wrap this up, and again, thanks to everybody who is watching, throwing ideas around. You guys are the best audience and the smartest audience in the world. I want to talk about the new milestone, the round table, because a lot of people are excited about it. Some people are confused about it. So the basic idea is to start off once a month with the idea of maybe eventually making it happen every week. We would have, at the very least, our contributors, if not guests from outside of our circle, probably about three people, maybe four, sit down and talk about maybe one to three issues. So this isn't a wrap up of the week in tech news as much as it is an extension of the discussion section. So again, not doing the explainer where we're saying just the facts, but this is where we talk about, okay, what do you guys think about all of this stuff? What do you think about bots on the messaging platform? What do you think about AI and where it's leading? And do you think that social networking is making our lives more stressful or better? This is where we can dig into those in a way that we can't on the main show because we know it's a daily show, that's a lot to listen to. So if some of you are like, oh, I wish the show was longer, there are others who are glad it's not because it would be too much to listen to and some people already have a hard time keeping up. So we wanna strike that balance and then provide this a new opportunity for folks to be able to have a more extended conversation in a show that isn't trying to punch through all of the daily episodes. So it might not have me on it every week. Some weeks it might be Scott leading the conversation or Veronica or Justin or Patrick or even Darren. Although his time is already stretched pretty thin, even more so than mine. But whoever has the time and has the topic and then that's where Roger's idea can plug in as far as like, hey, maybe we can get some guests to come in and bat that around somebody from the EFF, get Tom Wheeler to sit down. It's less of a week of wrap up and more of just a discussion show, extended discussion show. And also a space to be creative. Like our show has a format and it lives and dies by its format essentially and we tweak that gently every once in a while. But a discussion section show like that is sort of more of a sandbox in which we try different things that are interesting. So I love that idea. It's just a place where if someone has an idea and they wanna develop it and bring it, like we will bring you really good explainers or stories or explanations or news or discussion, whatever. Like I love that idea of a block of time in which we can do cool things. Andrew PM asked if there'd be one time contributors on the roundtables. Absolutely. It's kinda open season. Open season on ideas people. Bring them here. Feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. I'll be reading them all the time. Yes you have. As ever. Anything else we should talk about that I forgot? We're having a meet up. Yeah, by the time a lot of people watch this it'll be over. We had a meet up. It was really fun. We'll do try to do that in as many places around the country as we possibly can. Yeah, so there's that. Roger, anything else? Not that I can think of. I unloaded what I had on my own. I had a bunch of plans, he wasn't paying attention. No, I'm actually gonna get my emails for next week. I know Roger's taking this job very seriously because he made the bed. He made the bed behind him. I almost made my bed. So you're not actually working on the show while we're talking about the show? Yes. Well, I'm sending up an email for Andy for Monday. I don't want to email him, so. And then I'll scratch off all these people that we don't want just yet. Wait, Biocow, I did not get your text on Skype, Biocow. Biocow says he sent a text, but I don't see it. Did you send it to the secret place? The secret place? That sounds really bad. That sounds like a Disney title that they rejected. You might have to create a contact with it. Ethan Kane says he's gonna start hosting unofficial DTNS meetups when he gets to Alaska. Absolutely do that. Oh yeah, if there are DTNS fans in Alaska, we wanna see you all together. For sure, but anybody anywhere can do that. If you just wanna post a DTNS meetup, again, that's something you can let me know. I'll throw it in the Patreon updates. We can put it out on the blog, stuff like that. That'd be great. Hey guys, I gotta go, because pancakes are waiting. There are pancakes in my immediate future. Ooh, what kind of pancakes? DuPars pancakes that are the best. They are the best. But I guess there's an expression that a friend of mine used to say, my friend Marsha back at CBS News, and she used to say, I love you like pancakes. And that is really true for Tom, for our contributors, for this community. I love you guys like pancakes. And in the Josephson Flanagan household, that is the highest compliment that exists. Thank you, Jenny. Thank you. Now go eat pancakes. Yes. Awesome, all right. Well, thanks everybody for hanging out. Thank you, Jenny. Go eat. And I've got a couple of last minute things coming in here. Oh no, I'll drop off. I'm gonna drop off. Yeah, go ahead. You keep doing the last minute things. Everybody, I'll see you. I'll see you soon on the internet. Well, they're connecting. I don't know if they're sending me any messages, but we'll give them one second. Roger, thank you for hanging out this morning. Oh, I thought you were gonna say make in the bed. Well, also for making the bed, but... But that's the thing. The bed's always usually made. It's just my, it used to be my kid was on it and so there's stuff on it. So it doesn't mean it wasn't made. It's just stuff on it. Can you bounce a quarter off it? I don't believe in that because my mattress is seven years old. It doesn't bounce anything. All right, well, I apologize if you're sending messages and I'm not getting them. And I wish we were able to get them. We'll hopefully try to work that out if that is an issue for next time, but thanks everybody for watching. And again, we dearly appreciate everyone who supports the show at dailytechnewshow.com slash support. Huge thanks to our analysts. Hope this keeps you updated. And if you're like, wait a minute, I have more questions. Next time when we post it on Patreon, you can ask questions right there on the thread. If you don't think you can be here, you can send them to us by email. And of course we'll keep working on the other channels of communication. Have a great time, everybody. Oh, here, maybe I'll do this too.