 One question we could ask of Epicure is right away. What's pleasure? So he defines pleasure, at least at some points. He says, pleasure is the absence of pain. Okay. So, and another place is he defines pain as the absence of pleasure. Now for me, this is particularly annoying. That's like saying, A, what A is, I'll tell you what A is. A is what is not B, and then B is what is not A. This does not tell us anything about what A or B are. Now ultimately, Epicure's answer, I think, might shine some light on what he's doing. I think he might actually be a little sneaky here. A little sneaky. Epicure's ultimate answer of what pleasure is, is not what we think. We think of pleasure. We think of pleasure as your average knight in what? Las Vegas. What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas. Your evening of visceral, carnal delights. That's something of what we think pleasure is, or all you can eat buffet with actually a decent chef. Okay, that might be pleasure. Yeah, you know, a blockbuster movie that doesn't really require to think very much, right? Okay, yes, that's pleasure. All right, this is not what Epicure's has in mind. Now, he's a hedonist, but he's not that kind of hedonist. Then he wants to take pains to ensure that it's like, look, I'm not telling you just to go gorge yourself, you know, to be a fat little happy pig, right? That's not what he's saying. Pleasure. The pleasure for Epicure's is tranquility. Tranquility. Now, when we think about what tranquility is, or what it's not, it's not anything in these other extremes, right? It's not the average knight in Las Vegas. It's also not starving, you know, to death. It's not, you know, the blockbuster movie that doesn't require to think, and it's also, you know, not being devoid of any stimulus whatsoever, being locked in some kind of deprivation chamber or a prison. So, tranquility is kind of in the middle of all these extremes. And what all these extremes are is not tranquility. They all disrupt your mental, emotional, physical states, right? That's what the extremes do. Now, this is me trying to read into Epicure's to try to play at what he means, but he may not necessarily mean that. But ultimately what he thinks is that, you know, this pleasure that's worth pursuing is tranquility. Because anything else that you pursue is going to lead you away from tranquility and it's going to be a pain in the end. It's going to be a pain in the end.