 The following views and opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect the official position of the participants. Sides of the debate have been assigned randomly in order to create conflict, comedy, awkwardness and embarrassment. Any resemblance between their true feelings coinciding with the side of the debate that has been dealt to them is purely coincidental. When I see this come up, I'm the controversial one in this. Yeah, because it's like a generally accepted thing to find Talisa Soto and that seemed to be a bad actress. I think that's what the majority of fans feel like. Yeah, a new series completely fought out by the mastermind, Hep Hazard Stuff, for a new series of our channels. I'm very curious to see how these will go. We came up with a couple of topics. We already beforehand assigned which position in these particular arguments we're going to be taking. And this is episode one, the premier episode. And let's just dive right into this. I'm excited. There's always two sides to every argument. We're going to choose a topic, a bond topic. We have randomly been dealt out to defend each opposing side. Whether we agree with it or not, we have to do our best to take this stance. This one is Talisa Soto as Lupe. And that one particular scene, reenact the scene for us, Drew. It's in license to kill. It's the scene where Q and Pam are in the hotel room and she walks in and sees all concerned James's well-being. And she goes like, I love James so much. And then, you know, Pam's all pissed. And then, you know, she walks off and you can clearly see Pam's not amused by this little show she put up. And, you know, it's famously pointed at for being terrible acting on Talisa's side. Ms. Kennedy, I saw you at the casino with James. We need to speak in private. It's all right, he's with me. James is in danger. Sanchez is no fool. He's checking up on him. You know, if they find anything suspicious... Listen, it's all right. He's safely out of the country by now. You know, on a stand last night, he stayed with me. That's Sanchez, Harris. See, Francis take him on a trip. They leave in an hour. You must help him. If anything happens to him, I don't know what I'll do. You know, I love James so much. Okay, you must go before you're missed. In License to Kill, 1989. One of your favorite movies. Yeah, yeah, I'd say probably my... I always used to claim my favorite Bond film. I'd say it's still close, objectively, definitely not the best, but it's still up there for me, definitely. Before you even did the YouTube stuff, this part, her... I love James so much. Did that part ever stick out to you in any way? It did, but I always found it funny because I always... Well, we first have to take sides of what side of the argument we're going to be on, but I always found it to be funny because I thought it was kind of like a ton to ban. And so, this is good because this is... You're going to defend this scene. Oh, good. Okay, nice. We know that there's been critics of this scene, but you legitimately think it was an okay moment. Yeah, I say, okay, for my opinion on this, and at least I get to defend it, so that makes it even more genuine. I think, first and foremost, let me put this out for... She's definitely not Oscar-winning actress. I'm not claiming she's like all that good, but she's not like Denise Richards-bad, or what's her name? Like Stacey Stutt and Tanya Roberts. Those I really get annoyed with, but with her, especially that particular scene, I don't perceive it as that terrible acting at all, because it's like... She's a woman. She's seen Pam in the casino with Bond. She has seen that she has an eye for Bond, and she's already been with him, too. So she comes in, she makes this sneaky comment to her, I love James so much. And you see Pam, after that clearly being annoyed, that's the script of the scene. She's like, I love James so much. She's mocking her for saying it, because it's a taunt. You know, I love James so much. Look, you must go before you're missed. Now, don't worry. We'll think of something. I love James so much. I'll be damned if I'll help him. Look, don't judge him too harshly, my dear. Field operatives must often use every means of their disposal to achieve their objectives. Bullshit! It's not like her genuinely being in love with Bond, I don't think. And it's clear, because at the end, when Pam gets him, she's like, eh, I'll just walk off with the present. I'll just walk off with the present. You know, she doesn't care, because it's the way the scene is written. That's how I feel about it. See, that's interesting, like you say that. And like, you know, I think it's a bad line reading by her. It's a bad line. And like you said, she is not the best actress in that movie. She looks great. I mean, she looks great in that movie. But she's not a very strong actress. And like that one moment when she says that, I love James so much. I never got the impression that she's doing it as a taunt to Pam. That she is legitimately at the moment, like you said, like at the end of the movie, like she goes after, goes after. She's such a, like she bounces from one guy to another in that movie so much. And so like she, all of a sudden she has a fact she, it's like she clings on to the latest guy that's in her sights. So now like, you know, Bond is in her sights and like love is nothing to her. It's almost like she, she, I don't think she knows what real love is. Exactly. But that's, that's kind of my point too. Why it's the way it's written and why it's not her genuinely being in love with Bond, but just her being, you know, the type of girl that she is. She's just, she's just clinging from one guy to the next. But like that, that to her, that's love. That's love. So like she, okay. So she, she met Sanchez. She loves Sanchez at the moment. Then she loves her, her lover. Then she sees Bond. She loves him. She doesn't like love is like, it's just words to her. It's, it's, it, she doesn't really, she's so oblivious to other people's feelings other than herself. So like she's, she's easy to, she could easily say, oh yeah, I love James so much. It's meaningless really. But like, you know, Pam doesn't realize that. Okay. But how do you perceive this, the, the line of Pam then what she's clearly annoyed? Like, like, um, I love James so, you know, she's mocking her for saying that because she's pissed because she does, she cares for Bond in the right way. And, you know, I think it's, that was her goal to, you know, just, just, you know, walk in. She is concerned about Bond, but she, she mocks Pam a little bit on the way. And she knows, you know, she has a thing for him. She, she, Pam gets upset about it, but I don't think Lupe had any intention of upsetting Pam. She's just like an oblivious bubble head kind of girl who like, you know, she just said that she doesn't have any awareness of what she's saying. Or like, she's just thinking like, oh, I'm just going to tell James's executive secretary to like, you know, help him out and get, make sure that he's okay. I love him so much. She doesn't know like that line just pissed off, you know, this other woman. I don't think like you. So what you're saying is, yeah, I know because I've seen, I remember a video you did where you were going to the quotes. I mocked this. And you were mocking her. We're like, how could she be in love with this? I think that's where we differ. I don't think she's in love with bonds. You know, she likes him, you know, she, you know, it's, she likes to seek the, she's clearly a type of chick that likes to fool around because, you know, she, she has Sanchez, all the wealth in the world and, you know, most powerful man of South America, basically. And then, you know, she fools around with some other random guy in the opening season to fit. So she's clearly, she likes fooling around and, you know, cheating on, you know, for the, for the excitement. But I don't think she has any intention of seeing a future with bond or, you know, being romantically involved. She just, you know, she likes him and she, you know, she is concerned because he's kind of human, but clearly she's not in love, love, like, you know, like, oh, I want to marry this. That's why I said, like, once he walks off with the president, you know, hey, Sanchez's dad, she's still, you know, she's a gold digger kind of, kind of chick. She just walks off with the other powerful guy, you know, that's how I perceive it. I view her as like, like a little teenage girl who has a crush. And just says, oh, I love him. He gave me his Letterman jacket. He gave me a pin. I love him. And like, there's no, there's nothing mature about it or anything. And then like, she's also, you know, like you said, like a little gold digger. But it's also because that line of Pam is in there of her being annoyed by, by the comments that Thelisa made or Lupe, you know, that's how it was written in the screenplay. Like, you know, and you see the annoyed and also Q adds to the scene as well. But you know, Pam is annoyed by the comments. You see Q go, you know, women, you know, like, you know, it's like, ah, of course, this is what happened. And that's why I always proceeded that, you know, regardless of how the delivery of that line would have been of Thelisa's acting, you still would have Pam being annoyed and Q going, huh, you know, because it was written as a ton to Pam. That's how I perceived it. But maybe the delivery isn't that spot on. It's not genuine. That's how, that's, I think, the essential fundamental difference. You think it's a genuine comment of her being in love. I think it's just, you know, yeah, she's like a little bubblehead. She doesn't know like she's really upsetting Pam or anything with that. And like, you know, why would you want to upset Pam who she's asking like, you know, you got to help James, James Bond. Okay, because they're women, because not all women are like this, but don't get me wrong. But it's like, again, the casino scene, there's the part where, you know, for the Diamonds of a Reverend novel where she suddenly takes over the dealer position to, you know, to give bonds and information. And Pam is there right in front of her too, you know, having the drinks and stuff. You can see her eyeing Bond and Pam like, oh, there, you know, she likes Bond. She can, she's a woman. She knows instinctively this chick likes Bond. And that's why I think when she walks in, check out that casino scene. You'll see her. I know that. She knows about Pam and Bond. And that's why she just, you know, she's like, in high school, she was one of these mean bitches. That's the type of character she is. I think like she's more of a bubblehead, honestly, just a bubblehead, headed chick. She knows a lot of people perceive her that way, but underneath there's a layer of her knowing what she's doing, you know, she knows. And she just likes to poke the bee's nest. I think that's, that's an argument to be made with Pam and with all the, you know, she knows she has some power in the man's world. She's, she's, South America is like a man's world, but she still likes to do that stuff and get away with, with, with some of it. But like this, that whole scene actually, like it's almost comedic from start to finish because like, Lupe walks into the room, she bumps into Q and like, she says, oh, oh, I got to talk to you about James and like, oh, Q's okay. He's with me. And she says, uh, James spent the night with me, you know, and then Q does the role of the eyes. And like, you know, she says, like, oh, I love him so much. And then like, you see Q, Pam's reaction, what? I said, okay, go, go away, Lupe, go away. And then like, it ends on that little comedic beat of like, you know, oh, don't worry, agent has to do anything to like, you know, survive in the field. Bullshit, you know, it's, it's almost like comedy from start to finish. So I don't think like there's any, there's no motivation for her to Lupe to make Pam jealous. It doesn't like help her or James or anything. She's just saying that like, cause he's the latest guy on my list. He re-spent the night together. I love him. That's exactly, actually, we're kind of on the same line, which is, uh, because that's kind of how I perceive her too. But the, the one difference is I just, I really think she does do it to annoy Pam. Cause you, cause it's also the way the scene is filmed when she delivers the line. You know, you see Pam, you see Pam's reaction. I remember watching this with a friend a couple of years ago when we were going through all the Bond films. And when she delivered the line, we were laughing, not because of Talisa's acting, but because of Pam's reaction. Yeah. Because, you know, you see here, and, and also I, I, she just has to point out useless information. She didn't have to point out, but just because they're, you know, rival girls, both after the same guy kind of, you know, Pam with the more genuine motivation and Talisa being her bitchy self. But, but she has to mention completely irrelevant, like, oh, well, but I slept with Bond last night and I love him so much. And then you see Pam, you see her flinch, like, she didn't notice. She didn't know Bond fooled around with her too. She, she thought she was the only one, you know, she was the secretary. And, and that's, that's her goal, I think, to get, just to annoy her a little bit because that's part of her character. See, like, I, I figured like she, she mentions, you don't understand James stayed with me last night. She's not even thinking about what's coming out of her mouth. She's like just saying, oh yeah, this is, this is what I, this is where he is. Oh, did that upset you? So sorry about that. Like she's not thinking about like, boy, this is going to really grind this girl's gears once I tell her this. She's the jealousy meter is going to go all off the scale. I think that's exactly what I think she does. Yeah. I think that's where, where we are different on this. Yeah. I think maybe we'll have to rewatch this, but as much time as I've watched this, I think I've even defended this little bit in my, my original recapping episode of that particular scene. But, you know, that's, that's the thing of movie. We'll have to ask John Glenn, or we'll get the screenplay to this, like who did Richard Maybaum, maybe we'll have to ask them. Or maybe to Lisa, like what her motivation was. On what she remembers from this, like 31 years ago. Well, it's a very different perspective on it. Well, we could both agree. Like, you know, she's, she's not the strongest acting bond. I would never claim, you know, she's like Diana Rake or, you know, Eva Green. But this, that line, I love James so much. I think, like I stated before, it was written for taunting the fan. That's, that's what I think. I disagree, but you bring up some interesting arguments about it. Did you ever see her in any other movies, to Lisa Soda? I think that was, was it the Princess Katana in like, Mortal Kombat. Mortal Kombat, yeah. There's also some movie. I've seen her in more stuff, but not too much, but so you're, you're getting to, you're getting to the part, if I find her a good actress in other movies, probably. Well, I mean, I was just curious, because like, I know she was in Vampirella. Okay, I haven't seen that. I got to watch that one day, because I know it's, it's a crap movie. And she, she dresses up like the comic character and like, you know, I'm sure she looks great and everything. But I wanted to just see her performance. I remember seeing her in Mortal Kombat, and I don't remember a thing about her performance. No, me neither. Back to License to Kill, and slightly off topic of the, I love James so much scene. Is there any other particular moments in the film where, where you've found to Lisa Soto to be just exhaustingly bad actress or? Well, I mean, like a lot of that scene. She delivers a lot of lines very flat, when like, you know, she, she talks to Crest and Crest is kind of making moves on her. He says, stop peeping through my window. Like it's very flat. It's very flat. There's some good points. Yeah, not that you mentioned that line here. I mean, it's not the best actress, but I don't know. I just give her a lot more leeway than, you know, like, like the classically bad ones. Like I said before, like Denise Richardson comes up always. Yeah. Yeah, I would have a hard time defending that one. Like the Lisa, I can, yeah, I, I. Maybe because she's like, not really the main bond girl. Maybe dad. And maybe, you know, looks make up a lot for it too. I mean, I'm easy going on that stuff too. Yeah, when every time I watch it and that scene comes up, I do a little cringe. Yeah. Yeah, I have that with a lot of other stuff in the franchise, but not that scene. But it's funny though, how that's different. I mean, she, you have to agree, like she looks great in her red dress in the casino. Well, hey, no arguing for me there. Thanks a lot for watching my video. Do you like my work, Kim? Would you like to help this channel grow? Well, consider becoming part of the exclusive DbF community and help support my channel. What is the DbF community? Well, it's the community over at my Patreon page, made for the biggest fans of my channel. Why did I create this community? Well, you see, every average project you see on here takes me roughly 30 to 40 hours to produce. 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