 Sam will cast don't let me forget to stop it. Stop. Don't read to stop it. Thanks Don't stop it. That'll stick Ah, yes, ladies and gentlemen what you've missed in the pre-show Don't many grips down memory lane for me I loved it. I loved it That's like right up my alley. I was in high school. I was not part of a local radio station I should be so lucky, but I was um one of the hosts of our uh, like in circuit high school video Fullerton. Oh, that's great Yeah, and I mean it was a class. So it was like, you know, there was you know, we rotated I really enjoyed it. Um, but I had not gotten my tonsils out at that point Okay, so, you know not to say that my voice is so beautiful now, but it was real bad then And listening to it, you're just like, oh, what is wrong with this little girl? Take her tonsils out. Oh, this is Sarah Lane. How are you? It was I had a completely different voice That's amazing. Yeah, do you ever watch Bob's burgers? Uh, no, I immediately thought of the two kids in in high school in Bob's or it's not even high school I think it's elementary school who do the video announcements Oh, yeah, I mean it was you know the whole school like the first two minutes of second period or 10 minutes or I don't know Whatever, you know, it was like you roll in a you know, like television all the classrooms watched it So it was you know, it was a fairly big deal. That's great. Did you do announcements, Tom? Did you do? No, we never we never did that. None of my schools ever Did that that's what I did announcements at our school We always had the principal doing them for some reason We didn't even have a school newspaper. We all the only thing the journalism class worked on in high school was the yearbook I mean we Nobody really there was a there was a teacher But nobody was really Overseeing what we were saying So like someone would have like a press democrat and be like the bucks beat the calves In sports news You know, I'm just kind of like we just sort of pretended to be Boring boring. Oh, this one's interesting Yeah, reading the news or writing the news that was fun We had weekly we had a weekly newspaper at my high school I was always impressed that the school could fund Like it was pretty well. It was it was nice. It wasn't like xerox copies. Like they were actually really nice And I've always was amazed at the school that because we were always moaning about the lack of money It's like, wait, where's all the money for this? Press must go on roger Yeah, I yeah, I Rob, where did you grow up? I grew up in northern minnesota Whereabouts or you know hibbing. Oh, okay. Anywhere near Bemidji? Oh, you know, we were in north of Bemidji. Okay. Wow, even in north of Bemidji. Wow Yeah, so Bemidji was babe the blue ox and yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, so it was um It was interesting. It was cold. It was cold up there. Sure. What one would think That was the summer Yeah Down to chicago and take your shirt off in december. Like, oh, it's a little warm I was minneapolis, so we drove to minneapolis and took our shirt off Speaking of chicago conya west and kim Kardashian named their daughter chicago west We well They were pursued by the high school of the same name It's amusing and disappointing all wrapped together That's just i'm just reporting it. That's the kind of news we like to bring amusing and disappointing North by north. What if they named their kid that? Belleville Belleville west Also high school It rejects too little time. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Shall we do this? Let's do it. We all ready? Yeah I look like um Yes, one minor thing rob You'll notice this on occasionally the bar at the top of the rundown might change color. That's just me Okay, i'm telling you Yellow means uh, we're getting close to needed to move on the red means whenever you're done saying what you're saying We go to the next thing gotcha Uh, and the blue stuff the stuff in blue text. We just we don't even stop We just plow through that stuff. So all right, uh, sarah, would you be so kind as to do the honors? I would All right, three two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash supports This is the daily tech news for friday january 19th 2018 from dts headquarters in los angeles. I'm tom merits and from very cloudy and foggy studio feline. I'm sarah lane And over there from people and who are you? I'm lenn for all that Uh, thanks to matt aspenall for the chip tunes version Of the dts theme song today Uh, very exciting in honor of our guest cto of nimble collective rob demiller What okay I'll take it as an honor Yeah, it's you get a special custom theme song for your appearance. I would like dance if I don't know what's going on Rob's going to talk to us today. He's back on the show. You've seen him before He's going to talk to us today about those cloud services nimble collective is an example of them So he knows where off he speaks Uh, but we've talked about uh the the shadow blade and those services are saying we can give you the high powered thing In the cloud all you need on the end is a connect internet connected device And explain how that works when it works when it doesn't work what the limitations are Our producer roger chang is here as well roger. How are you doing? I'm doing well A little dark in the overcasty skies, but good Good good good. Well done. There's nothing less for us to do but start with a few tech things you should know A patent filed by lg with the world intellectual property organization describes a quote Mobile phone with a flexible display which can be folded in half to design show alternate ways of displaying information on the cover When the phone is in fact folded us sec wants answers To 31 detailed questions before approving mutual funds and exchange traded funds based on bitcoin futures And the us commodity futures trading commission has announced it has filed a federal civil enforcement action Against three virtual currency trading service operators cabbage tech and entrepreneurs headquarters and one name that's still sealed Faced charges of fraud misrepresentation misappropriation and more amazon has added voice to its You know who app start to the day ends with the day for android meaning users that can speak to the app to have it Do things and amazon echo would as well the updates rolling out to the google play store and is on its way to the ios app store to The italian antitrust authorities investigating allegations that apple and samsung Conducted quote a general commercial policy taking advantage of the lack of certain components to here's the good part Curb the performance times of their products and induce consumers to buy new versions This is about Slowing down performance to save the battery life apple has previously denied it tried to shorten the life of its products It says it was doing it to extend the life if found guilty the two companies could face multi million euro fines Now let's move on to some other top stories. What do we have sarah? instagram has a new feature that tells folks that you've shared private messages with or folks that you've tagged in your instagram stories When you were last active on the app? It is turned on by default Some people don't like this but there is a fix if you want to turn it off you go to your profile page Click these settings uh gear underneath your name next to edit profile inside the settings menu. There's a toggle for show activity status Now this is not a big deal Instagram is owned by facebook. I use facebook messenger regularly and often It tells me sort of like when my friends have been active on the internet lately because they've been active in that app But I think that it depends on the network when it comes to something like linkedin I hate people knowing you know when I've sort of been like perusing other people's profiles So I wonder how much this matters to most folks I think people are probably pretty concerned about it's You know instagram being part of facebook. This was kind of bound to happen Um, but as you said it's different like when you're messaging you would like to know if somebody's on that you can You can get a hold of them for messaging when you're kind of walking around a town doing instagramming Yeah, yeah, I mean it's it's I'm also the person who I have read receipts turned on uh in In my uh messages app for iOS and you know, I have so many friends who are like, why would you do that? It's such a like lack of privacy and it's like But I don't hate anyone I'm talking to like, what do I care? They know that I looked at their message and maybe couldn't respond right away But I do think the whole turned on by default thing, especially if people don't realize it for a while Is a problem because you want to at least Have the chance to make that decision for yourself. Well, that's that's the facebook, uh, modus operandi, isn't it just turn it on by default until people start squealing And turn it off. It used to be a lie all the time, right? I feel like facebook learned from that I don't know what instagram is up to here. I don't think it's the kind of thing They're gonna face serious backlash about I don't like have it at anything turned on by default I don't even mind this so much. I get that in the instagram world There are people who are like, I know you're online and you didn't like my photo and now I'm mad at you Like I that actually happens. I'm not worried about that personally But I still went and turned it off because I was like, nah I didn't ask for this to be on I don't want it on I'll decide what I want to The choice you're like, no, no, thank you. You didn't ask me. So I didn't opt in I have to opt out Amazon is raising its price for amazon prime. This is not just the video you there's there's a monthly for the video But there's also a monthly for the entire service that includes the shipping and the kindle library and everything It is now going to be $12 and 99 cents a month if you want to pay monthly It used to be $10 and 99 cents a month now that ends up being 156 dollars a year Up from the previous 132 dollars a year But the yearly price isn't changing don't mean to confuse you If you want to pay a year at a time which used to be your only option So you may not have realized there was a monthly option still 99 bucks They haven't raised that one in a while But if you want the option to be able to cancel it any month Maybe you're not sure how long you're going to need it or you're just you know You can't afford to lay out 99 dollars at once Then it's going to be 1299 I mean pushing people to do that yearly option I suppose Yeah, it certainly increases the savings from 32 to 56 dollars. That's that's not nothing Yeah, I'm going to be one of these guys where it's like things are expensive Like it's like, you know, they're gonna the price is going to go up at some point given all the services that they're doing And the fact that they just like subsumed whole foods and everything. So I Cost of doing business I also, you know, I I pay 99 dollars per year And I have for a couple of years. I have also and I've mentioned this on the show before I don't use amazon prime as much as I should certainly not as much as a lot of my peers do so this is sort of De-incentivizing anybody who's like, well, let me give it a shot because you know on the surface It just looks like oh 13 bucks a month. I don't know Yeah, well, it's It's interesting because I've got Dots throughout the house and there is oops. I'm sorry everybody. I have a little dot devices throughout the house And it's it's seductive It's it to himself if that makes anybody feel better Just to say, you know, I need new Deodorant and it shows up at your door the next day. I mean, that's that, you know, so I understand how much all this stuff costs. It's like Yeah Moving on one plus has been investigating why fraudulent charges were appearing on a small portion of its customers credit cards Friday had announced that credit card information of up to 40 000 customers was accessed by a malicious actor Between november of last year and now a script was injected into a server that copied payment information as it was entered into a form So one plus will offer a year of free credit card monitoring to any affected users Yeah, and they're still they're trying to be transparent about it But all they can say is they don't think any other servers were impacted but they can't say that definitively yet They are working with law enforcement And it's just unfortunate for one plus because they have some pretty rabid fans And this isn't the first controversy for them. It's a bit of a string of them with the phone home Scandal and the jelly roll scandal and not scandal, but the the bug And so this is another another one of those chinks in the armor where normally you'd say Unfortunate this does happen to companies though. Uh, and and yet if you're a one plus customer, you may be getting tired of that I don't know I don't know if it changed today or not, but yesterday I had heard that they were Uh, only accepting PayPal at this point. Is that true? Yeah, that was what they did at first when they were trying to figure out What what was actually going on which is I mean if you use PayPal, okay, but if you don't that's really limiting Yeah, but I think now that they found the script they'll probably turn credit cards back on but before They they knew that with credit card On it was happening and with PayPal it wasn't so that's why they they left PayPal up because and now it makes sense PayPal you weren't typing in a form you were logging into PayPal So that was separate and in fact if you had saved your credit card information with one plus This is one of those flip-flop situations where saving your credit card company with the company was actually safer than typing it in because typing It in was how they were capturing Researchers at lookout and the electronic frontier foundation spotted a server taking in hundreds of gigabytes of data from infected android phones As well as windows machines. The operation is being termed dark carousel c a r a c a l And affects thousands of users in more than 21 countries The server has been traced to a building belonging to lebanese intelligence users Get fooled into installing malware or typing in their passwords in a fileless version of this attack That uses phishing over facebook or whatsapp and what have you the malware also shows up looking convincingly like other apps There are examples of it looking like whatsapp examples of it looking like signal so it can steal your signal Login it can take photos from the phone's camera lift text messages pull location data and record audio on android and on windows It can do all the things malware normally does which is you know privilege escalation attacks and and steal your documents and stuff like that Yeah, not cool. I mean it's So the you've stated two apps in here that are basically imposter apps, right? So whatsapp and signal Is it appearing anywhere else? That those are the only ones that I saw mentioned for sure They you know if you want to worry about it the thing you need to do is not get your apps anywhere But the authorized store for you know the google play store if you're on android Because then you won't get these it's not like they're slipping them into the store It's not that bad What they're doing is they're tricking people Into clicking on a link and going and installing something from a third party And side loading it somehow Important it's gotten to the point now where every once in a while Facebook for example Will send me an email being like oh you requested to reset your password If you didn't do that click this link and we'll record that and even then and I've gotten this a million times because somebody's Always trying to like hack into my account. I'm like Oh, is it really facebook? The one time that it's like not a facebook email even though it looks like facebook, you know I'm gonna screw myself over so It's easy to be like oh, you know, don't click on stuff that seems shady, but We can all be fooled unless you have a blanket I never do anything this way when it comes from an email that I wasn't expecting And even then the the policy on all of these places should do not send email at all Right, I mean so the facebook and your bank and and everyone else really rather than sending email That could be interpreted as a phishing scam Reach out to you through one of the any other ways that they've got, you know, one of their applications on the phone or Some dropping you know it just seems that if you're if you're constantly Having to question whether or not every email comes in is actually legitimate. You're going to get hit eventually Well, exactly I mean I make it a policy that if I get those kind of notices like oh somebody was trying to log into your Count I don't click on anything in the email I go log into my account because there's also an alert in there And if and if they're and if it's real then I'll be able to access it from within my account But even then sometimes you just are you're tired? You're not thinking straight And and you may end up Almost falling for something or falling for something It's just that that's these things work on the spam principle Which is most of us don't have to fall for them for them to be successful. It just needs a tiny sliver of a percent All right, moving on to Cape Town, South Africa, which is suffering from its third year of the worst drought on records The city has launched an online water map now revealing water usage for individual properties So if you're at a location that's staying under the 50 liters per day Limit you have a nice little green dots By your property properties over the limit. They're not being you know Called out necessarily. They just don't have a nice green dot So the idea is that instead of shaming somebody for over using water You are you are gifting someone a green dot for doing it right It doesn't feel a little dystopian science fictiony to anybody Like like like one step below charging people for Feels a little weird Well, people do get charged for water, but I know I mean, you know like You make more money than you need more money than these people trying to reward a household a private property With uh, you know doing the right thing, you know taking Short of showers or you know, whatever it is that you're doing to to stay under the under the limit And clearly if you live in Cape Town, you know that there is a drought and it is a really big deal Um, and the shaming thing tends to upset people more. So I don't think this is this is a wrong approach. I I don't know. I mean not gonna Make it rain, but but if you know, if you have to ration water, what else are they gonna do? I I think it's a really interesting approach because Uh, first of all, there's there's different shades of green depending on how far under you are So there's they're trying to be all carrot no stick Like you're gonna get green if you're at the limit But you'll get a darker green if you do even better and Not every property has a dot Even if it's under the limit industrial locations retail locations, they're not included So just because you don't see a dot doesn't mean aha. That must be a person who lives there You'd have to look closely enough and go. Okay. That's a residence Uh, so I get what they're doing. They're trying to say we're not going to call out anybody We just want to give you a perk But I think I think to go back to what you said Rob Because it's a big satellite map they're using the google map satellite map It feels like big brother looking down and saying aha You are green and you It just feels slippery slopey to me and you even brought it up, right? So large companies and industrial parks are not taking part of this. So what if they're guzzling around the water? I That's a separate that's a separate issue. The first this is an attempt to reach residential customers But but that's a good point Probably the the needle moves more with the industrial customers. Anyway, so Well, and I mean if the idea is to get people to just get used to using less water Great, I mean, you know, what if you're running out of water, fine Maybe, you know at a reduction in whatever bill you're paying for, you know The utility company would be a better incentive than a green dot, but who knows maybe at dinner parties This is like a right of, you know, uh, you know something something to brag about Yeah, and I can't say they haven't tried that already they are in such a serious problem in capetown right now That I think they're willing to try anything. I mean, there's an estimate that by april They might not be able to run the water all the time for people. So this is this is a this is a pretty serious situation Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines You can get it on the amazon echo on the google home in the anchor app And that's a good old fashion podcast, uh, or a good new fashion podcast It'll show up in like modern apps and everything you can find that link at daily tech headlines dot com So previously on the show, uh, we have talked about things like the blade shadow I know patrick beige is really excited about it. He wants to come on and talk about it In february when it launches the idea behind that and the idea behind many other similar products is a high powered machine That's really expensive is made available to you over the internet So you don't have to have it local But you get the advantage of it And latency is managed to the point that you don't notice So you can do gaming video editing animation, etc From a chromebook from a tablet A lot of people don't believe this works, but patrick who's tried it out says no It actually really does work and rob, uh, your company nimble collective Is is making it work and I I know a lot of people are super skeptical about this How can this possibly work when I can't get my netflix to stream all the way through a 60 minute episode Well, you got netflix to thank for this actually because they've opened up a lot of the gateways To getting data faster data pipes to your home and your businesses As well as the servers that are on some of these these cloud networks But yeah, I I I am making a living off of doing this. So it's it definitely does work I understand the skepticism, uh, especially when you're doing something that is Latency tolerant or latency intolerant and requires a lot of heavy computing power So what do you have to do and obviously there's there's things that you can't talk about, uh, as far as, you know Agreements and everything but but generally speaking. What does a company have to do to get that latency down to zero? I mean, you can't just put your server on and plug it into the internet and let it go Now you have to work really hard at it. I mean so I should let me just back up and explain what nimble does for for folks who don't um, who aren't aware of it Um, so what we have done is we have taken the animation pipeline and an animation pipeline is what animators The team of animators used to create a film like coco, right? They You start at one end and there are people that create textures They're very good with creating textures in adobe or crita or some other application and that moves on to Um, perhaps a rigor which is the virtual puppeteering that goes on underneath the surface of a model to the modelers that are creating the modelers to the The manipulating of the models for the animation to rendering out the film that whole thing And i'm leaving out a lot of steps is called the pipeline and putting it together Is an expensive proposition Uh any given animation film or tv show? There is a significant fraction of the budget that is going to setting up and creating that pipeline Uh and throwing a bunch of animators on it to uh, that's why you see the Huge number of names at the end of the credits now, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a it's a whole fascinating ecosystem of people that that go through this stuff And so what we've done is we've taken uh that pipeline Various flavors of applications and we pushed it out to the cloud And it's now possible to use our system to do a high quality film animation on something as small as a chrome book And once you've done something like that you you've tipped the economy of Creating animation Significantly in the favor of the studios and the animators who are who are trying to get this all done so The the biggest hurdle is what you just brought up, which is I don't believe this works, right? And so Walking in with working demos to to some of the places you're walking into it's it's very gratifying to watch their faces And jaws drop when when it does actually work so we're doing We've got our latency down to a point where you can with a pen on a chrome book Have latency free animation and it feels like you're doing it on a local device Now again that that sounds like magic and probably the only way to really convince someone is to show Show it to them put it in their hands and make it work But uh Do you have to do you have to do co-location deals? Do you have to do you have to do special servers like what's broadly speaking as much as you can It's a number it's actually a number of things There's a couple of technologies that are in play here. One is the ability to stream an application So the way that we have done this with off-the-shelf commercial software Without making any modifications is we're streaming virtual instances of Favorite os's windows usually we can also do linux machines as well And so those the output from those machines rather than going to a monitor Actually going to the virtual pipeline and that pipeline shows up inside of a chrome browser, for instance And so the machine that is running locally Believes that it is simply talking to a chrome Session running on the internet and the machine that is running remotely Thinks that it is talking to a display that's just sitting on a computer right in front of it And between those two mechanisms, that's how you get that sort of latency reduction So there's that that's step one step two is identifying machines that you have to use right so so there is high-powered graphics machines that are available at various cloud data centers and We make use of those for the appropriate processes We make use of those for for the appropriate rendering And you know, it's a matter of juggling all of those factors together and doing the calculus Figure out what you have to do on the fly. Yeah, so you don't have to like if if someone Obviously, there's regionals worldwide regional things that would affect this right if if I'm in Kenya for instance And and euro operating in the u.s. That might cause problems But generally speaking if you're in the u.s. You've got you've squeezed the data down enough And there's enough bandwidth out there that you can you can pretty much guarantee that this is going to work The only limiting factor being what the bandwidth on the end of the user Yeah, how fast is the pipe coming to your home or office? We can typically deliver high performance If the bandwidth to your nearest end point is, you know 30 milliseconds or less And we can get there and that most homes actually have that now So it's it's not so bad and then you said something very interesting like if if We've built our system out And other people to have as well built systems out in a way where it does take advantage of all those co-location facilities And so in theory, yeah, if you were in Kenya and you were near a data center that was operating on the same cloud platform And somebody else was in Los Angeles You could work collaboratively and see that kind of response speed So you're somewhere between uh, you know Somebody just putting a server on the internet and google which runs its own undersea cables Like you have to you have to do a little location Planning, but you don't have to build your own internet. No, no, no, no, which is fortunate So somebody's actually trying to build their own stuff and and failed Pretty badly actually it's complex, right? I mean that's that does not something that's easy to do Granted, I feel like one of the things that's making this possible And you tell me if if I'm under a misimpression here is the fact that we just have More connectivity options more bandwidth options than we used to Yeah, that's true. There's a lot more bandwidth options. There's a lot more Pipes coming into the house and that's why credit companies like Netflix. They're who are You know, the users are demanding that kind of bandwidth. So those pipes are in place Through most of the major metropolitan areas in North America And then the demands on the servers in the cloud platform, whether you're on amazon or Microsoft Azure or the google cloud platform They're constantly being upgraded and you're getting faster and faster Machines that are sitting behind that that pipe So you take advantage of that as well? Yes, they you know the the big guys are doing some of the work Yeah, if you request for instance in our system if you request to do A rotation of a model and that model is is is very Graphic intensive. It's using one of the high powered graphics machines if you are simply doing, um, you know, some You don't really need a lot of power for that. So the machine gets stepped down Do you worry that net neutrality legislation changing or net neutrality rules rather not legislation changing Is going to upset the playing field. It is a conversation underway. Yeah, we we have been Not affected by any of that yet But of course if people are if if there's going to be bandwidth being charged then, you know, there's some effect on that Well, I want to get real quickly one last question because I know it's on everybody's mind They're like, okay. That sounds great. What can't I do yet? What are what are we stopped from being able to do with this sort of? right now, there's a lot of Blockages, I guess you would say would be machines that would normally be local to your desktop that require specialized hardware So, you know, if you're you're talking about a lot of machines that have video shuttles or transport mechanisms and some of those some video editors Or have machines that have pieces of hardware attached to them. And so we're not there yet But that's not too far in the future. It's not very distant future either. 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Lobo stuff looks really cool This is in reference to our conversation yesterday rich says I thought I'd recommend something similar for people who can't wait for it to come out or just don't plan on buying a switch But hemorony is a uk-based raspberry pi reseller But what really differentiates them is their creative kits around cheap system on a chips He links us to uh, where you can find out more information and then says Generally, these are recommended for ages eight and up, but have sewable gadget kits diy cameras radios Cars tons of cardboard kit prices range from 25 to 70 dollars I know my local microcenter stocks them So you might not have to pay for uk shipping at all probably not as well baked as uh, lava will be But a cool option nonetheless Thank you rich straffolino. That's very cool. And I know there's some raspberry pi I wish I knew that. Yeah, he tried to play it cool, but I knew who it was because I looked at his email It's our rich. Yeah, uh, and in our boss's slack kaley writes Finally got to listen to the show Labo is indeed Japanese shorthand for laboratory Japanese speakers tend to shorten words to the first two syllables of words like family mart becomes family ma, etc I'm shocked that they just left it named labo Even in English, but I'm supposed there's a precedent tamagotchi life for instance Then again, Japanese language is cool now. I suppose so I guess it makes sense that some folks or kids might think it's nifty To have it sound kind of Japanese or maybe they just wanted a consistent name across the regions I mean the only reason I really asked about what what that all meant was of course laboratory makes perfect sense But there's also a perfumer called la labo at least when I tried to pre-order So it's like that was the first thing I went to like why are they calling it that? No, because you mentioned that when I pre-ordered labo today I searched for labo and got a bunch of perfume and I'm like, well, it's not what I'm looking for So I had to put in All right before we go we have to check in with len peralta who is here illustrating the cloud Yes, you know, I am really amazed at what rob's company is doing with the cloud and You know, it was really difficult for me to come up with an idea that is That really kind of spoke to that so I went more evergreen with this Because I think there's a lot more people who are going to choose to live their life in the cloud And so why not create a character who kind of represents that and that's what I did today The man who lives his life amongst the cloud or the person I should say who lives his life amongst cloud Just call him cloud guy And You've probably seen him before Yes, I think I think this is the guy you're going to find In the cloud if you were to go up there That guy resembles Earth guys, I think so, I think you know or whoever right It could be anyone but and and just to be clear. He is not dead He is not there's a man at the bottom here who looks like his spirit has been lifted That's not it. He is actually just Living ethereally in the cloud enjoying Whatever the cloud has to give to him When local man goes to sleep cloud guy cloud guy goes up there. He never goes to sleep It's pretty amazing how that works Yeah, so this is available right now in my online store. You can go pick it up You can actually also do some other great things like go to patreon and back me there And you'll get every single one of these drawings. I do for tom show on friday And um, yeah, so very very cool And there's some also some also really cool stuff that's there up at the online store You may want to check out so go check it out at lend for all to store.com That's right. Excellent. 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I didn't that kind of dog. Tell us everything Right, look, there he goes. Oh, he's gone. He's locked up that way. Uh, his name is hobbs Hobbs And uh, which means the second dog Kelvin went right, of course Yeah, so he's uh, german chevrolet mutt mix How uh, how 10 months how much is he way? Do you know, uh, looks like around I want to say 50 or 60. Okay. So, yeah He'll probably fall out a little more in the next few months for sure Well, his personality is gonna pop out and right now he's sort of like shy and walking around like Yeah You know the kind of thing but I mean I know and he's really Like owning the place Oh bad What a cutie Yeah, let's make sure he doesn't uh own the place in a dog-ish kind of fact. Yeah, right. That's gonna happen I just I just always You know, I can tell myself to that happening at least once or twice. I stocked up on, um, Uh, nature's miracle. There you go. Yeah All right, uh titles Make it rain on south africa cloud guy eight bit dts 50 shades of green total reference guys hard to beat Making animation more nimble The cloud becomes the matrix robby nimble robby quick like The brighter side of the cloud Uh, blade shadow brighter side or broader side brighter side, okay, I see brighter At the bottom better side of the cloud brighter side of the cloud Uh, blade shadow sounds like magic, but is it? Is it is it really Is it very that was very jungles. Yeah. Yeah Oh, it is very jungles. I like that Robby nimble robby quick no Rob because then the next line is I jump over candlestick And they're straight into a Yankee candles. I'm sure we could get an animation of that done right Cool ladies and gentlemen always fun. Yeah, thank you rob. It was great And it was so nice to be in vegas last week. Yeah, it was nice to see you It was really fun and and everyone that was a great whoever organized that that was a lot of fun It was so fun. Yeah, that was me casual Thank you, Len. That was a good effort. Are we? No No, glenn glenn just takes credit. I do when no one else is I take credit So we all we uh, so shan and I have a common friend uh, and so tom and roger dale chase who is Uh, a rap artist aside from being an engineer and he always raps about uh tech stuff and so shannon apparently did Be bop on one of his tracks or something So one of the one of the people from your group brought the cd For her to sign and so that was kind of fun. Yeah, that was great Uh, I love dale dale does good stuff. Dale's great. He's working at nimble actually Oh, no, that's right. No, I remember you mentioned that when you saw that cd Pretty cool. You should have free concerts then. All right. What do we call in this roger making animation more nimble? Any objections love it great the motion is passed. No motion is passed print it print it Excellent Uh-oh Go in there By the way, I want everyone on the call to notice my flawless internet this time Yes, your internet was smooth as silk It was smooth as silk hero. Do we have to thank for that? You have hero to thank for that. All right You have me moving to oakland to thank for that. Then you got hero Right. I I feel like you and I have some things in common because I'm on hero myself and I used to live in oakland So I don't know. There you go. Man user isp Uh Hey, it worked It's like we're getting 225 down. So it's not bad. Yeah, I'm bad at all Just kind of weird What are the things hanging off the bottom of your the photos behind you? Oh, these are uh photo rods museum photo rods So I can change these out if I want to so there's like little clamps that hold onto the photos I can pull those out and and put new ones in Oh, like what's the one on the other side so long? Um artistic License, so you can't say this one's got two photos hanging off of it. This one's got one No, I mean it looks cool. I just was like what's what's the deal? Yeah, it's uh, I forgot already. Um Some some some yuplified home store, but yeah That's very cool Hey, I'm gonna have to do that make thimbles nimble thimbles Oh about like like little uh Dancing jogging thimbles. Well, when you when you expand from animation into seamstresses And that that's the perfect swag seamstresses in the cloud cloud cloud sewing seamstresses in the cloud Claude tailoring Oh my god, that's the name of my autobiography Tailoring no seamstresses seamstresses in the clouds seamstresses in the cloud the lenperolta story the lenperolta story So I downloaded uh, so there's a firmware patch to My windows 10 laptop my work flint windows and a laptop that downloaded. Uh, I think it was to get rid of um meltdown They get meltdown it melted down. All right. I took my machine out. Oh Oh, it was one of those ouch. Yeah So yesterday Yes, somebody in the chat room while we were chatting during the main show asked how meltdown or specter Would impact you and I know I already asked you this that the answer is you don't know yet, right? We don't know. We have no idea and I'm I am having a little bit of faith that amazon and microsoft and the linux people Will take care of that problem for us because it actually hits the servers before it gets to us We don't really have a lot of control over it And google seems to feel that they have resolved it to their satisfaction for g-suite. So it's possible Yeah, it is possible. It is possible But more of the story used last pass or some password Chrome don't use your chrome password manager Yeah, right People people are spoiled. This is why we can't have nice things. That's true people spoil all the fun Um Top five for tech republic, uh, I just wrote for for next month, uh, top five human security risks Just all the ways that people are your are your Your vulnerability point Your family your mother is probably like house kids car That's not a person I'm calling from that was more about the things that people do like, you know Install software that they're not supposed to share their passwords when they're not It happens a lot and I'm I'm always Sort of shocked and I got I got to wash myself because I that means I'm next right right Quick and I do get I do get dangerously curious I'll get like those emails and I'll like hover my mouse because I want to find out what the actual url is and All I'd have to do is sneeze and click and I'd be screwed I You talked about this on buzz out loud, which is how long ago it was but uh years ago Got an email right after I had listed something for sale or bid on something for sale I guess on ebay saying you need to confirm Uh your account for your latest bid and without thinking I clicked on it And then started to fill in the information and then stopped saying wait a minute Why didn't I have to log in and then it hit me? Also, that's not the email address associated to my ebay account and I stopped but I it was chilling because i'm like wow like I know better Wow, but because it timed it just happened to accidentally time, right? I was like, oh, I you know, I just did put that bid Yeah That's pretty interesting. I got I got a notification from google saying that Okay, your password for our demelo at gmail.com is uh being changed. This wasn't you click it and so I Like freaked out at that turns out it actually was somebody whose initial was r and last name was demel like they They were confusing accounts I have so many of those and the problem is a lot of these people use my This particular email account I use the same service and so A lot of people's names I guess are roger and so when I say roger blah blah blah You need to change your bubble. I can't Like automatically Like reach for it, but the thing is when I never open a link in an email Um You know, I always go straight to the website. So if it's like like a facebook update or think I actually just go to facebook I don't actually click on the link isn't there a roger chang at senup? Or am I imagining that chang? Chang cheng. Yep. Yes. I I've seen him I have never I've never met him except over email Across the room at ces. I was so wanting to Yeah, we were in the lobby of the uh the tp robot hotel. Yeah. Yeah, I don't even know the name of the hotel That's pretty nice Was uh, it was I was so close to greatness No, I don't know or maybe he was um We all know we know that we know how that goes mutual greatness Um I'm taking this mic off these books because Give me a problem if I know Oh You okay there roger? Yes. I'm trying to uh get my hanging in there. It's friday Oh two days and then another week Two days a week repeat until you die. Well, my kid's birthday is next weekend. So I'm trying to think of all the explaining I need to do Very nice I hate that I gotta think like oh do I need to buy those shelving units from like Home Depot so I can organize my garage and make more space to put crap in it I just did that this weekend. Yeah, I put up. I put up. I'm very proud of myself. I put peg boys in the garage Did all that stuff Very organized and neat and clean now Looks like I could be surgery again now. I just have so much Stuff Yeah, I started using let's go actually last week because I've done I'm just trying to get rid of as much stuff as I can so Facebook will begin to prioritize trustworthy news outlets on its social media posts This doesn't seem like breaking news to me because didn't they already say they were kind of going to do this They did Uh next week News feed will prioritize high quality news over less trusted sources What do they call high quality news? Well, I think this this probably is coming I haven't found out that part, but my guess would be it's coming out of the the fact checking So whatever they're fact checking system, it's a weird reality right now. Yeah It's just bizarre But aren't they also tell I mean in other parts of the world they're testing not having News show up at all in your personal news feed unless it's shared by your friends. Yeah I don't know that five weeks. Yeah, because that's going to keep you in the bubble Uh, and then moving on out of chambers the one that provides all those of the news feeds for news feed news feed news feed How nice Movie pass announced it's going to start buying movies. The company will invest not buy invest in films Oh Like like production of all that So they're going to sell the data and insights they gain from their their monthly subscription service to studios Who can do more targeted marketing for the films? And they're also going to invest money in the films Another version of the echo chamber echo chamber I want them to do slightly less polished versions of already You know, like you see those of like like popular summer blockbusters Like the like when they release it on the home video There will be like what it what's that company called that makes all those schlocky versions Like for example, there's Pacific Rim and when that went to home video they released one called Atlantic Rim, which is It's like borderline like embarrassing bad, but they make enough money on it Because of customer confusion Maybe they can do something like that, but you know, maybe higher quality They could um, what's the term and uh, be kind rewind sweet it sweet it sweeted it sweeted version I'm shuffling out my calendar events around Make sure I've got Lumia Asylum studios. Thank you captain jack 913 in the chat room Oh my gosh, uh the six Outlander Glasses that I ordered from the same Glass maker in Scotland that makes them for the Outlander TV series have finally been made And are ready to ship Eileen is going to be very happy Wait, so these are Working, uh, corrective lenses No wine glasses Oh, oh, oh, I thought like hey, that's good. I did too actually Sorry, I remember there were glasses That's because you've not watched Outlander. They drink a lot of wine on that show Watch I watched the wine episode The final episode is where she's in the hospital for sclerosis Oh, you drank too much wine And now you need glasses wait, but that kind of sclerosis never mind All right, uh, that's it for us. Have a lovely weekend everyone. Thanks again, Rob Thanks for having me everyone I did you all a doo-doo Come on have fun with the new dog I'm excited. Yeah little Hobbs All right, here we go wait, you know one more one more Hobbs view Oh He's he's he doesn't even understand like how QT's being right now, but he's settled Hey Hobbs Take care Len good stuff, man. Thank you so much good stuff on your end too. Thank you sir Any final words to our live streaming audience before I stop the stream I thought you were gonna stop it like Yep, I love you all That's good. I also love you all. I mean There's probably a couple people I don't love but just press the button Roger