 Oh, and they've fallen behind on Emerald City. Yeah. So are you, you were watching that? You like I'm watching it because I missed I because I don't have all the premium channels when they started. I would I missed out on the ground floor of Game of Thrones, AMC, and I just don't want to be caught anymore. I just want to be at least even if it's crappy. And I actually it's kind of weird. I actually that show is growing on me. Yeah. Are you have you been watching Legion because Legion is great. What is Legion Legion FX. Yeah, it's on FX. It's a it's an X-Men show, but it's not set in the X-Men universe. It's sort of like a parallel universe. And Legion is a character from the comics and he has. Oh, OK, OK. Fine powers and it's really pretty great. I mean, it's uneven, but it's fun. Definitely perfect. Like I watched the pilot and I enjoyed it, but I haven't actually got back and everyone keeps telling me I need to because they're like it gets more fun. And yet it's they're like it's uneven. But you're you're going to it's going to be worth it. So I really need to get back to it. Yeah. And it's only eight episodes. So you can just like yeah, pop it down in a weekend. Then I've been kind of glued with the CW because I've been with all those all the superhero DC shows so long. I've just kind of now just it's more of a habit than actual any strong. I mean, you're watching Supergirl. Are you? Yes, I actually like Supergirl. I am really surprised. I thought it would be. I thought it would have been crappier because the first pilot episode kind of gave me the feel like, oh, it's going to be like Lois and Clark. Yeah, like that's the feeling I got. But it's gotten it's it's one of the. So this is the thing I have with CW shows is it was start off middling and then they get good and but then they drop back down. Right. It's like, you know, it's like jumping off a ramp. You get to the high point that starts it. Supergirl is just kind of almost exponentially. It moves from strength to strength. I feel like I feel like Supergirl is like the teen vogue of TV shows where you're like, wait, really? Supergirl is doing that. OK. Yeah. I think that's a really good comparison. Yeah. It's fun. It's a fun show. Yeah. Like it has its flaws and its shallowness from time to time. But there's so much cool stuff going on and I just love all the characters. And when I watch it along with Flash, it is great. Well, you know, the thing is so many of the Supergirl shows and especially DC are so broody that it just gets you kind of fatigued. It's like I get it. The world's messed up. You're angry, nothing works right no matter what you want to do. It's like, fine, but you're making me you're not making me happy that I'm watching your show. That's what the arrow arrow has. Like I there's like every season needs a primary angst, but then it has a then it has a secondary angst to go along with it. So everything's angsty. Is this like, oh, no, it's the A angst and the B angst plot. Like then you just switch to the bank. And, you know, Flash is kind of going that way now, too, because like everything's my fault. It guy cries more often than I don't know what. My wife's problem with Flash is she's like he was so worked up about changing the timeline and then suddenly the whole plot hinges on him changing the timeline. She's like, what's that about? It's weird. Well, it's not even changing. It's trying to trying to predict and I don't know, it's just weird. Well, if you're wondering where Patrick is, those of you joining just now, he got bit by the time zone change. So he is racing back to his studio and we were going to start the show as soon as he gets here. Poor guy who's going to be out of breath. Play the soundtrack to the French connection, even though they're going to take place in France. That's all right. It's he's our French connection because he is connected to the show and he is French. I'm on the metro. He was so panicked. He's like, I thought it was only a half hour early. I'm like, yeah, which is in five minutes. He's like time zone. I'm like, I forgot to tell you to remind you. So and we have to get done by two o'clock. So it's our own version of a DTNS heist. We don't we don't have to get done. It's we have to get done recording in time for me to then publish it by two o'clock. So we're we can do it. I know we can. Look, he made it. Sorry, we're done. Yeah, you're only like four minutes late. That's like way faster than I expected. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Did you teleport just running? I tried. It didn't work like blinking. I'll need control when you get a chance. Tom, all right. Take a moment to catch your breath, Patrick. It's fine. I'll edit the fine. I'll edit the text. Oh, yeah, you want me to help you put in some line breaks? OK, I'm halfway there. I might stumble a couple of times because I didn't read it at all. That's OK. I gave you the first one, though. So that's good. All right. I said I gave you the PlayStation one, which you already know. Cool. All right. I am ready to go. I'm ready whenever you guys are. This is proof I was born ready that you were born ready, Patrick. Hey, Annalie. Hi, Patrick. Yeah, nice to see you. All right. All right. Three, two. This show is brought to you by audience members like me, not outside organizations. To find out more, go to daily tech news show dot com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Tuesday, March 14th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt racing in against time. Literally, we'll explain in a second. Patrick Beja is with us from Paris. How are you doing, Patrick? I'm cursing Daylight Savings and it's one hour discrepancy with what I thought the show time was going to be. And I'm also very sad that I had to rush out of the theater midway through Logan, which was really good. Yeah, it is really good. Well, now I'm going to have to go back to see the ending. Well, other voice you're hearing is culture editor at Ars Technica, Annalie Newitz joining us again on the show. Annalie, thank you for joining us as well. Of course, thanks. We have got a lot to get to, including human tissue grown on robots. So let's not delay. Microsoft is rolling out its slack like collaborative software called Teams for no additional charge to all Office 365 users. You may remember Microsoft launch teams in preview back in November. Now, if you pay for Office 365, you get to use Teams. They also launched one hundred and fifty third party integrations from companies like Zendesk and Hootsuite. In fact, our own Veronica Beaumont's Grobot project launched on Teams today as well. This is that continuing surge by other companies to move in on that collaborative communication software that Slack and Discord and others have been paving the trail for. And I don't know that there is any catching slack, but maybe there's a niche to be carved for other players, especially in the context of offering that integrate pretty well with everything else. So maybe, you know, Office is obviously has a foothold in offices and in businesses all around the world. So maybe. And I think it's also just that now any buddy who's working in a company is kind of expecting to use this software. So I think Microsoft, they are behind the curve, but, you know, it makes sense that they would do this. I honestly can't see them catching up to Slack because you can already use 360 and Slack. And if you're already in Slack and you've been, you know, archiving all your crap that you've written in Slack, why would you move over? I'm not sure. Maybe just to have it be more seamlessly integrated like you were saying. I think there's a there's one advantage just very quickly to the Microsoft ecosystem. And that's the company directory, which is always super useful on all of the, especially if you work in a large company, maybe a small one doesn't. Sorry, I have to catch my breath. I'm definitely not Logan. Well, maybe in the beginning or are you, yeah, or maybe I'm trying to deceive you. I haven't viewed, right. So the the directory, the company directory is super useful in a big company. I know that when I was working at Blizzard Entertainment, for example, it was invaluable because I sometimes didn't know who I was getting at a meeting with or, you know, all these things. And in fact, doesn't really have this at this point. I don't think I think the big advantage for Microsoft here or the big opportunity, I should say, not advantage is for companies that aren't on Slack. Somebody who's already a Microsoft client has been hearing about Slack, hasn't implemented it. Now they have an easy thing that they can implement. That is part of the suite of software that they already understand. And I think they'll get some take up there. And also eventually it's going to work with your HoloLens, right? So you're going to get that, you know, you're going to sit down with your Slack friends. I mean, you're, you know, you're. Talk about your corporate directory, right? It'll just tell you right in front of hovering in front of you, who you're looking at. I'm sorry, I couldn't help but chuckle when you said HoloLens. Users of Gmail for Android can now send or request money from anyone using Google Wallet. You use the attach feature and choose send money instead of attach file. It works to any email address and Google integrated wallet into Gmail in 2013. But this is the first time it's offered the integration on mobile. And to start with its US only. So this is a very small rollout in a lot of ways. But another example of companies trying to catch up and getting into the game, this time the game that Venmo has sort of paved the way for. I mean, it seems obvious to have it on mobile because that's exactly when you want to be able to pay your friend for half of dinner or whatever is on your phone. So to me, it made complete sense. And I've never, I think I would be a good user for this because I've never really declared allegiance to a particular app for giving people 10 bucks or whatever. So I mean, I've tried a couple, but so yeah, I'll probably be, I'll probably just do it because I do everything that Google tells me. Are you already set up on Google wallet? I am about to be set up on Google wallet. So yeah, this is my final frontier, yeah. Right, they get everything. Yeah, they have my money too. That they, it's not, you know, the tiny amount of friction that these things create is too much for us to, you know, use it in that. Well, I'm sure some people do, but I'm sure most people, if you have to give 10 bucks to a friend they are gonna pull out the bill and give it out when it should be just as easy to do it like that. Yeah, maybe. A Kickstarter project called the I promises to add Android to your iPhone, sort of. It's an iPhone case that has its own five inch AMOLED screen and runs Android. So one side of your phone, when it's in the case, runs Android, it is in fact an Android phone. The other side is still your iPhone and runs iOS. But the case will let the two devices share the speaker and therefore the headphone jack, microphone, cameras, and then the Android side can also take advantage of two SIM card slots, so you have three SIM cards in there. Micro SD card, a three and a half millimeter headphone jack, IR blaster, NFC of its own, and a separate 2800 milliamp hour battery with wireless charging. So they can say a lot of things like add wireless charging to your iPhone, kind of. The early bird price is $95 without LTE or you can get a case that has its own LTE connection for $129, that's where the SIM card slots come in. That goes up to $189 without LTE after the early bird is over. ST is the company, ESTI, they've never done anything before and they hope to ship to backers in August or September. I can't tell if this is so crazy it just might work or just crazy. No, it's crazy and it's really, really dumb. I don't, I mean, I don't see anyone actually wanting. So for people who don't have visuals on this, it actually makes your phone, it adds a screen on the back of your phone so both sides of your phone have a screen. Yeah, just what you wanted. You know, I can't think of any iPhone user. You can never pick it up without accidentally activate it. I can't think of any iPhone user who would want to use something so complicated that they would do this. If they want to use Android, they're probably gonna go to Android and this is like half baked, cumbersome, not super, and it's easier to have two phones. I don't, I mean, there must be 10 people in the world who actually, well, more because they're actually getting some money on the Kickstarter, but- I mean, as someone who's used an Android and an iPhone, the idea of the two phones being together is appealing to me. See, I don't want an iPhone. Like, I mean, I know they're supposedly great or whatever, but I already have an Android phone, but here was my question for you guys is, couldn't this be Android on one side, Android on the other side, and your crappy I, the I thing, the case phone, couldn't that be like a burner? And so you could just sort of like, when you need to go out and like buy drugs with Bitcoin, you like slap that on, and then you have that and then you can kind of take it off again, or is that- Well, yeah, you get a burner SIM card and keep it in the case, and it's easier to manage. Yeah, so- Why? And not tools in earlier days. So you could have a personal phone on one side and then a SIM card for your burner and a SIM card for your work phone on the other. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. It's like that I could actually see, or not even for doing something nefarious, but just if you wanted to have one phone that was just for privacy, just transactions you didn't want to show up on your personal phone or your work phone. That I could see, but I just don't know if this is a good enough phone for that to even be worthwhile, you know? I mean, I'm sure there are gonna be, there are gonna be, you know, 15 people, or okay, 1,000 people for whom they have, you know, very specific use cases, you know, drug dealers, or maybe that's more than 1,500 people. Let's just say, Bitcoin people in general, they're not just drugs. They're all breaking the law. There's good reasons to, you know, what is cryptocurrency, so, you know. But I mean, in that case, you can already get an Android phone with two SIM card slots, which, you know, you can use, and you have systems like Samsung's Nox, which is gonna isolate. I mean, yes, maybe someone who needs this and that and the other thing, and also wants to use their iPhone for some reason and bulk it up with another screen. It seems really dumb to me, and I'm sure, you know, for the 15 people who like it, then awesome, you're gonna get your thing, but I don't see this being any, you know, a bigger market than the initial Kickstarter, and even then. I think it's gonna show up in the next Fast and the Furious movie, and like, that's just gonna happen, and it's gonna be like some character's gonna like whip it out and be like, boom, now I have an Android phone, and then that'll be it. I have a Fast Android phone and a Furious iPhone, all in one. Obviously, who's gonna care, except nerds like us, that one phone has one side iPhone and one side Android? Really, like anyone other than us? It's the main DLT of phone cases. All right, at a talk at an economic club of New York, luncheon, luncheon, luncheon? Luncheon. Luncheon. I don't know what that is. It's a word we borrowed from the French, I'm not surprised it tripped you. Dijonais. Oh, yes, okay. Airbnb Brian Chesky hinted that the company may pursue an IPO in 2018. Chesky stated that it would be a two-year process and saw the company as halfway through that time. Based on its latest funding round, the company has an estimated value of $31 billion. So we might get another high profile. What are these called mega unicorns when they're worth more than $10 billion? Mega corn? I mean, this is just one of those, this is him floating the waters to see what the interest is. That's what it sounds like. Everybody's been wanting us to do an IPO. We might like do it, what do y'all think? Yeah, I mean, also they're just trying to get over all the bad publicity that they had last year. They were mired in lawsuits in San Francisco. And I think there were problems in New York as well. And there's all these questions about whether municipalities are even gonna allow Airbnb to function the way the company wants to function in those areas. So this is a perfect time for them to kind of shift the conversation to say, but look how much money we're worth. It's true, we might not be able to work in San Francisco, but don't pay attention to that. They did settle with the city of San Francisco, but I think there's still a lot of open questions about how it's gonna work. You know, I think it's really interesting just to finish up when you compare it to Uber because the two have a somewhat similar profile, not the same prospects, not the same potential, but Airbnb really looks like the adult Uber. And yes, they have issues with some companies. You can absolutely see how it could have gone the way of Uber with administrative issues and all of these problems, but they worked with the governments, with the local administrations, and they are smoothing things over. And that's what we're seeing in San Francisco and in many other cities. So I think this is a much more, it's kind of the two sides of the same phone. No, the same phone. No, that's the new one. I think you're right. Yeah, it's two companies that are kind of disrupting these really old spaces. And these are companies that are coming into businesses that have traditionally been kind of city-based businesses, really regional and local, like cabs are often run by cities just like hotels kind of, you know, cities regulate them. So it's interesting to see this multinational companies kind of coming in and getting really hyper-local and having to cope with that. And Uber is like the little devil on your shoulder and Airbnb is like the angel on the other side. Well, that's not gonna go that far. Maybe not entirely, maybe not entirely. Is there something in between angel and devil? Whatever that is, they're like sort of like a city. They're the purgatory residence. They're like Godzilla on one side and like, you know. All right, folks, this is right out of our analysts' slack. Folks who support us at a certain level on Patreon get in a slack and someone in there found a hush-me product on Product Hunt. It's a mask for mobile phones. It claims to use an exclusive passive voice suppression and active voice masking technology. And basically it makes you look like Bane, but promises to stop people from being able to hear your conversation. They also claim it's a stylish ergonomic design, although it does cover your entire lower face. Look at this, this is, no. No, nobody's gonna wear that. I just, the sort of the potential for- Your conversation will be more private. Yeah, and just imagine cleaning that up at the end of the day. You're not gonna share it with anyone. Don't look too close at my pop filter already and you'll get an idea. It's disgusting. And then also, one of the things it does is you put it on and then it creates like a masking sound for other people to hear, including like Darth Vader breathing noises or chipmunk noises or monkey noises. So you could be sitting there talking to someone and then like monkey noises are coming out of your mouthpiece. So that- It certainly won't bother other people, will it? No, it sounds completely non-disruptive. Yeah. I'll be honest, like their proposition in this video is me. I'm the person who doesn't like having my phone conversation when there's other people around to hear it. I don't like disrupting other people. I don't like the idea that people are listening to what I'm saying, even if it's fairly bland. I'd rather just go outside and talk in private. So for a long time, I've been wanting something that would do what this promises, but this is not, I don't know that this is the way that I wanted to do it. Certainly not with chipmunk noises. This is like the dual case phone thing. It's like someone did it because they could, but it's so dumb. I mean, I don't wanna sound super old, again, Logan, but like back in my day, people used to get up and get out of the office, the space, whatever, when they wanted to have a conversation. And of course, everyone does it. You said, I'm that use case. Everyone is, everyone does that and no one wants to be the one making too much noise or being heard. But you just go out and go by the coffee machine or whatever, you find an empty conference room and I don't think, you know, if it was like a tiny chip that you stick on your neck and it cancels your voice for everyone, but your phone. Or it just like reads your jaw movements and can replicate your voice. So it, you know, or something like that, sure. Absolutely. But I don't even have that be a little bigger than that. Although ideally, yeah, something unobtrusive. What if you had something that was like a tiny keyboard and you could use it to silently type to other people? I don't know. It could work. I would never work, Adelie. I would have horrible typos. Oh, wait. I think we need robots that read our lips and then type it quickly for us. Yes. On the PlayStation blog, Sony announced it will begin a private beta for PS4 games on its PlayStation Now game streaming service. Current subscribers to the service will get access to the beta first. Sony did not reveal which games would be available. PlayStation Now recently reduced its ability to PS4 and Windows PC. The service costs a hundred bucks a year or $20 a month. Now yesterday, we mentioned this because it broke right before the show and I incorrectly said that you needed a PS4 to make this work. You can just use this on a PC. Oscar wrote in and asked about that. So a correction to that. You can just use this on a Windows PC. The change is that you can't use it on anything else anymore. It's just the PS4 and the Windows PC. But so with one hand, they give us more PS4 games. It used to be just PS3 games, but they also take it away. Yeah, I mean, what they took away was PS3 and PSV and maybe a couple of TVs. And some broad TVs. Yeah, the TVs is a really interesting device for this. And I think it will come back. Windows, obviously, is a terrific device for this. And even the PS4. And even more interesting, I think I missed the price reduction because a hundred bucks a year starts to come into that zone where it becomes competitive price-wise. It used to be the cheapest you could get was, I think, 45 bucks for three months. So it would come down to 15 a month. But with that yearly option, it's really compelling, I think, and now it all depends on the library of games that are gonna be offering. And you have a lot of competing services being offered to consumers right now. But I think we're getting to the point where we're still in the era, just like for VR, where for computers, it was like Atari ST and Commodore 64 and all of those. And there were a lot of competing things. Ultimately, it unified. I think it might not get there because of all the competing companies, but we're getting into, slowly, into figuring out what consumers, what the market will bear, and what the developers and publishers and manufacturers can offer in response to that. We're getting there. All right, folks, if you wanna get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes, you can subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com. That's another way to get the news each day. And now we must talk about robots. Pierre Alexis Muthi and Andrew Carr of Oxford, apologies if that pronunciation isn't right, argued in a recent science robotics that humanoid robots could be used to develop better muscle and tendon graphs. And Annaly, you wrote this up for ours, Technica, get ready for robots made with human flesh, which is what they're talking about. Putting human tissue samples onto robots so that you get better tissue replacement. Do I have that right? Yeah, so basically when you grow tissue now for a tissue replacement, regardless of where it is on your body, they're grown in these tanks. They look kind of like fish tanks sometimes called bioreactors and it's full of chemicals to help the tissues grow and the tissues grow on what's called a trellis, which really is like a trellis that you grow vines on. Like a trellis, wow. But the problem is, as these researchers point out, that when it's just growing in a vat, it isn't stretching. And so the way that your cells grow on your body is your body's in constant motion. And so the cells grow in an environment of moving around all the time. And so what they found is that when they don't grow in that sort of motion environment, sometimes the cells don't divide properly. Sometimes there aren't enough cells. It's obviously not the right environment for them. So their big idea was let's attach this tissue that we're growing to a robot, a humanoid robot that would be moving around. And so say you're getting joint replacement tissue attached to the elbow of the robot. The robot is doing, here's my elbow. Look, look, here is how an elbow works, kids. Yeah, right. And so pretend I'm a robot. And so it would be moving around and you'd get your tissue and it would have been essentially pre-stretched, pre-worn tissue that would be perfectly built for your body, for the part of your body it's gonna go on. And it would be much healthier and presumably better for you in the long run. But the thing I loved about this article is they kind of go through all the medical benefits and they're like, look, it would be transplants. And then they're like, also this could help us build humanoid robots by the way, just sort of at the end, like in the final paragraph. And they said, you know, because after all, like there's nothing better than cells for building muscles, especially because now in robots, you know, we're just using things like nylon and basically glorified elastic. And so they said, well, but cells are really good at stretching. So they're kind of proposing the Terminator literally, which I think is kind of great because it is true that, you know, muscles are really good at stretching. And if you could attach them to robots, you know, you'd get a really efficient, you know, stretchy actuator there. So, yeah, it's a good glimpse at where we're headed. Start by tempting people in with tissue implants and then end up with that. It's perfectly reasonable. Like we just wanna make better tissue replacement, which is true. Like this is all true. This is all good stuff. But I love how you're right. They just sort of at the end, like maybe the editor won't read all the way to the end. Also, we could have skin on robots. Exactly. And, you know, if there's nothing wrong with that, I think as we, you know, head toward having more humanoid robots and having robots and caretaking roles and things like that, you know, you might want a robot that, you know, looked a little bit more human. Although I guess that sounds really creepy now that I've said that out loud. But yeah, so, but the first step was definitely just for better implants. And you can kind of imagine that they might even put a robot arm inside of a bioreactor. So you might have that kind of fish tank just with an arm in it, kind of exercising the cells. So it wouldn't necessarily be like, Terminator is lumbering around, wearing your future elbow or whatever. So you have buff replacement biceps by the time, you know? That would be awesome. It's funny because depending on how you put it, it can be either incredibly common sense or super freaky and terrifying. Because if you think, you know, we have machines that test appliances, right? Sort of machine that has an arm that will open a fridge door a thousand times per hour or the phones that get bent or button presses a million times. This is, you know, depending on how you describe it, again, it could be just that. A machine with a joint that flexes a few times an hour and you grow the skin around it. That's fine, that's perfectly, you know, reasonable. But the way it's presented is more, as you said, Terminator. So I'm not sure how I should approach this and also how far along are they in that process? This is, they're definitely not at the stage where they're attaching tissues to robotic limbs. They're saying in this article, they're saying, look, we actually have all the technology to do this right now, so why don't we try it out? So they have the bioreactors, they certainly have robotic arms and robotic legs. So why not try putting them together? And then toward the end, they say, but looking to the future, of course, in an area that we definitely were not there yet, this could allow us to think about putting basically biological muscles inside of robots because it is really hard to make an artificial muscle. And we already have some in our bodies, so why not just work with what we've got, you know? So, which like, again, it seems reasonable until you start thinking about what does that mean? Like, what do you get at the end? Is that a human? Is that a robot? It gets philosophical really quickly because first you start with the skin and maybe the muscle and if you add a couple of organs, what is that you're building? And let me throw another ethical conundrum in while we're at it. When I was reading about the fact that when you do these bioreactors, you don't get the proper cell counts and there's some structural problems, I started to think about vat-grown meat, edible vat-grown meat. And I was wondering, oh, well, what if you take the vat-grown meat and put it on a slowly grazing robot to sort of give it that proper structure and cell count and a little marbleization? I mean, are we gonna have robot cows walking around that we can then harvest for burgers? I really hope we are because I think that it's, I mean, it is like, it is an ethical quandary because killing a cow is really different from harvesting chunks of synthetic meat off of a robot, right? Because the robot will be fine. You would just be sort of hanging pieces of tissue on a robot and as the robot moved around, it would treat the tissue and you'd be getting basically death-free steak. So I'm pro that. Do you think you're okay with it, do you think? I mean, I don't really like steak, but I would definitely be happier eating like a synthetically robot-grown steak. It probably beats soy, but who knows? I only see vat-grown steaks. Do you have any robot-exercised steaks available? Exactly. That's what we eat here in Silicon Valley. It feels like harvesting vegetables or fruits because you have the thing walking around and you're just, or maybe not even walking around, but you just take some of it and it grows back. And also, another thing that this made me think of, especially when you said pre-worn skin, which feels like pre-worn denim or the things that are not, how do you call it? Like pre-washed or pre-washed, yeah. How do you get it to fit your, like do you actually grow the entire skin of your arm so you have to have the robot done to your specifications? You know, the 34 is a little tight. Do you have something a little bit wider around there? Yeah, I think that could make the graft easier. Yeah, that's the idea that you would have something that you would size perfectly. So you'd get a limb that was the right shape and size so that you wouldn't get an elbow that was a little too big or saggy, yeah. So yeah. It's really weird when the robot was growing your new skin graft on one arm and the burger eating on the other. You could have a multi-purpose robot in the house once it gets shaken up. But before that, you have the factory manufacturing of all of these skin grafts. And by that time, the really rich can get it to their specific measurements, but the poorer people have to get the factory. No, there's a whole piracy thing with people illegally downloading celebrity measurements for their robots. Mm-hmm. I want a celebrity arm totally. And there'll be an app where you can pick out what you want your new arm to look like and to sort of, you know, swipe through like all the different pictures at the factory. Are you sure that's a Shirley's Theron elbow or did you download that on Pirating? Yeah, where did you get that skin from? I'm looking forward to people pirating body parts. I think that would be great. That's where we're headed with this. I mean, again, imagine where the porn industry will go with that. Oh, please. I think that that imagination has already been happening. The porn industry is gonna be on the cutting edge. They're gonna be the first to do everything. Absolutely. So yeah, more power to them. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit and submit stories and votes on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com. We get some of our best conversation starters there. So get in there and vote. A few things before we're out of here. The pick of the day comes from Michael Hastings, a technology and media arts professional who wanted to tell us about Quiver. He comes from Whidbey Island in Washington state, which he calls Green Trees and Hilly, new patron analyst, welcome. Says, I heard about the cowler and wireless complaint in rural areas and thought of a suggestion I use. I have a wireless hub from Airstone. It's, I'm sorry, Airstone, A-Y-R-S-T-O-N-E.com. The hub has a half mile radius. I'm not a farmer, but I use the hub to reach my entire neighborhood. So I don't have to worry about my bad LTE 3G sometimes and maybe 4G signal around the house. And then I use Google Voice for calling over the internet. Yes, I have trees, hills, and so I'm part of the hard to reach area for digital signals. I do have an awesome local phone company that has just updated its internet to the big gig fiber, so we're not lacking. Just can't do digital air signals very well. The biggest limitations of the Airstone hub devices are walls because it will kill the signal really fast. But when at the peak of my house, I get pretty close to the half mile promise. I've used them to help local businesses with wireless video cameras and even an internet phone for a barn. They have mesh extenders, plug-in networks and even camera add-ons, yet it is still almost user proof. I think he means, you know, user mistake. Keep a tech handy if you, oh no, he does mean user proof. He says keep a tech handy if you set something up with a mode with more than three plus backbone devices. But anyway, for rural people, looking for a way to find better connectivity, you might wanna check out Airstone, A-Y-R-S-T-O-N-E.com. Thank you, Michael, for sending that along. And we've got a couple of reactions, actually, to Uptime, the new YouTube app that'll let you watch along with other people. Renard Mayfield said, I know when people used Yahoo Messenger as a separate app and I think in AIM, more often you could put a YouTube link in the box and view the video at the same time. It was fun for people back then, especially when you were chatting with someone that wasn't in the same city as you. As messengers began to change and also as mobile became more prevalent, I stopped seeing this. I can remember when I downloaded those separate messengers, heck, I don't even have Skype on my computer separately anymore. I use their web-based browser version. And then Two Cows Games on Twitter said about YouTube Uptime, lots of couples watch shows together but can't always be together in person. This would allow you to do that easily. So there you go, one blast from the past and one current use for Uptime. I certainly thought of these old methods for doing exactly that when you were discussing it yesterday, I think it was. But I'm with you guys. I think it's a great idea in theory, but in reality, the barrier of having to say, oh, I'm gonna be on at that time and for this and let's get together on the, it's a little bit, maybe there are again a few edge cases where a long distance relationship, you wanna be watching the same thing and then are you gonna be watching YouTube, maybe Netflix, but YouTube, I'm not so, so sure. And still, and anyway, you can do that by launching the thing at the same time and calling each other on whatever VoIP service you want. So I'm also a little bit skeptical, but let's say I'm not as skeptical as I am for the stupid double phone thing for the high. Yeah, it seems like a cute gimmick that's like looking for a reason to exist, you know? So yeah, I don't know about it being a way of not cheating on your spouse with TV because we all say that, right? Like, I cheated on you. I watched that episode. I could see maybe like if you wanted to get together and all do like a mystery science theater type thing where you were like all doing commentary on something, but again, Netflix would make more sense, not really YouTube. I mean, back in the early 90s, I used to get on the phone with my friend across town in Austin and we'd watch episodes of Northern Exposure together just over the air broadcast at the same time. Nice. But you know, I did that with that one person once over the maybe three or four times, right? And so I don't know that, I don't know that there's enough sustained interest in it. Exactly. I think there are some use cases and it's trying to replicate something that can be done in the real, you know, in meat space, robot worn or not, but it's the wide range appeal and long-term interest that it seems we're all doubtful of. But that said, it's an incubator project, right? Cool thing for them to try and put out there and see. Maybe we're wrong. Yeah. Thank you, Annalie Newitz for joining us. Ars Technica, of course, is one place to find her fine works. Anything to tell folks about in particular? Well, definitely look for me on Ars Technica and I have a novel coming out in September, which is in fact about robots wearing human flesh. So. It is for real? Yes, it is actually about robots and some of them are wearing human flesh. Or wearing human flesh. That's fantastic. I had no idea. That's great. So when does that novel come out? Does it have a title yet? It has a title. It's called Autonomous and it's coming out in September and you can pre-order it now. Oh, fantastic. So go look up Autonomous by Annalie Newitz. In fact, we'll dig up a link and stick it in the show notes as well. Oh, I can show you. I have the galley. Oh, yeah. Let's see it. Here's the galley. We'll describe it. This is not what the final cover will look like. My name will be a lot smaller. Just the galley. If you're listening on audio, it's a disembodied hand under the name Annalie Newitz and above the name Autonomous. Disembodied robot hand, I should say. Yes. That's fantastic. Congratulations. Go check it out Autonomous by Annalie Newitz and you can pre-order it for September 19th release. Patrick Bezier, what's going on with you? Well, when I'm not running out of theaters to attend a Detect News show, I do a few shows of my own. One you might be interested in is Pixels, where we discussed last week the switch, along with Zelda, with our good friend Scott Johnson. And I heard, as I said yesterday's episode, and it seems the switch is not leaving the news cycle. So if you want to understand what all the hype is about, then go listen to Pixels. It's available at Frenchspin.com, along with a couple of other shows you might enjoy. I also was going to mention that today is the day that my own novel, Pilot X, is out, which you can get at audible.com, as well as on Amazon. And I actually have found it on the shelf at bookstores. So if you're interested in a novel about time travel, you can check that out as well. The cover is beautiful too. Oh yeah, Dan Stiles did the cover. He's amazing. Gorgeous. Yeah, awesome. Thanks to everybody who supports this show, dailytechnewshow.com, slash support. That includes Rolando Natalizia and David Jones and Eric Johnston, among many others. If you want to support the show, jump in and help them, patreon.com, slash DTNS. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern at alphageekradio.com and diamondclub.tv. And our website is dailytechnewshow.com. We'll be back tomorrow with Scott Johnson or a skin covered Scott Johnson role. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Bob, I hope you have enjoyed this novel. All right, now the race against the database change begins. Level eight. All right, show brought titles real quick. Let's see. Paulus at seven, yo. We heard you like phones, so we put a phone in your phone so you can call while you call. It's long, but I love it. There's also brushing nesting phones. Why did you skip over DSD1 Patrick Zero? DSD1 under Patrick Zero. Happy Patrick. Thank you. The bait of public calls. Get it. Get it. Yes. Meet the robot, NEAT, the robot. Oh, my God. That's so bad. Yeah, I got to admit it's pretty good. Do electric cows, dream of human skin, AI in the flesh, free range mech-a-cow. But I like free range mech-a-cow. Yeah, that's a good one. That's my next band. Free range mech-a-cow. Opening up at the DNA lounge. Do androids eat electric cows, pirated celebrity bodies, robo-stilt skin. Robo-stilt skin. Robots in meat space. Robots will be happy to meet you. Skin deep AI. Real skin on a, wait. Real skin on a robot. Got a ton of them in there. Robot burgers, slowly greasing. Robot, body, parts, pirates. And I'm just like, I'm buying Tom's novel right now. This looks awesome. Oh, thank you. Yeah. I could have said you won. No. OK, come on, Amazon. Give me a thing. Be a good Amazon. Awesome. I'm even getting the paper version. Whoa, collector's item. I know. I just, the cover is so great. Do you read mostly on just books, books? Or do you kind of read? I kind of read a lot. But I actually, if I can get a paperback, I kind of like that. But I do both. And I guess I can start reading this on my tablet. Wait, let's see how that works. No. No, no, it'll let me. Why not? No, it will. Yeah, it gives you a link. I've never done that before. That's cool. I like that. Yeah. Start reading. Give it to me. When I got to hear the audiobook for the first time, I'd actually talked to the narrator they got for it. Oh, cool. But I hadn't heard his finished product until today when they put the sample up. And it's great. He did a wonderful, he did a fantastic job. Cool. Yeah, I'm hoping. I don't know if my novel is going to have an audiobook. I hope it does, but I do not know. It's kind of early for them to have decided, I think. Yeah, that was one of the last things they put together for me. Yeah. This looks awesome. Well, I can't start reading yours yet, but I'm definitely too bad. No, I'm sorry. Yeah, we don't even have all we have is the galley. And so I don't think ARCs even exist for a while. But I will make sure that you get one if you want to read about flesh robots. Totally. I didn't even realize that. Here's a little flesh robot. Oh. Two or just one. I forgot how many cats you have. I have two little flesh robots. This is space, and time is the nice one. Yeah, if you're only listening, she's got a cat. Oh, you called your. Yes, I called my cat space and time. Hey, what do we decide on the title? Free-range mech-a-cow? We haven't yet. I'm still waiting. Free-range mech-a-cow. Yeah? OK, good. Come on, yeah. Done. Oh, no, Patrick Froze, unless that's a he's doing a. Meditation. Yeah, he's he's imagining the ending of Logan. That's so true. Yeah, because it's like, well, anyway, yeah, he'll get an action packed finale. Now I'll have to go. He'll have to go back, though. I didn't realize I thought he was we he was done with the theater and was running back. I didn't realize he was in the theater. Yeah, in the middle of the movie. Oh, man. And then, yeah, his internet must have just gone out right at the last moment. Thank goodness it lasted through the show. Yeah. OK, I'm going to go back to work. All right. Thanks, Annalee. Yeah, thanks for having me. It's always funny to see you. Let me know when you're down to the LA area. Are you in LA for real? That doesn't seem real. Glendale. Glendale. Oh, yeah. North of LA. I've spent some time in Glendale. I'm, yeah. Very suburban. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it's nice. You're from Irvine? No, wait, not Irvine. I am. I'm from Irvine. But through a series of complicated things, I often meet up with family in Glendale, which has to do with the Glendale airport mostly. So, yeah. So I've actually had a lot of. Oh, hello, Patrick. Oh, now it seems my internet exploded as I was marveling at your naming of your cats. Well, the space time continuum was interrupted, so. Probably, yeah. Yeah. So I had issues with my internet earlier today. It seems exploded again as the show was ending, basically. Oh, well, thank goodness we had to. Sorry. Yeah. I didn't mean to interrupt, but. No, anyway, I'm going to take off. It was nice to meet you, Patrick. You too. Sorry, it was so short and I had to run and was out of breath. Au revoir. Bye. Oh, wow. Oh, man, I feel so bad making you miss the end of the movie. Now you have to pay another ticket or something. You can expense this. Well, yeah. Well, it's OK. It's not too expensive. I took a credit card with Nazi. Still. But, yeah. I admire your dedication to the show. This internet not working. Yeah, that's annoying. I said I admire your dedication to the show that you ran out of the actual movie. Yeah, well, I couldn't not. I could I just abandon you? No, that was an option. You're the best. You're the best. Nothing's going to keep Patrick down because. Well, to be honest, this effing internet thing might. So I'm going to try and see what happens. I'm on my cell connection now. OK. I guess I'm going to go and try to figure this out. Yeah, yeah, of course. All right, thanks for the show. It was fun. Yeah, that was a good show. I'm going to talk to you guys soon. All right. Bye, Chaddmerlin. Bye. Bye. OK, OK, Fokie. That is it for us. I'm going to take our stream down so that I can focus on making sure I get this in before 2 PM, which will get it out to you guys. So thanks, everybody, for watching. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Bye.