 Matt geek have episode 931 for Tuesday, June 7th, 2022 Welcome to or welcome back to Matt geek up the show where we usually take your questions tips and cool stuff found and share them Such that we're each learning at least five new things today We will learn five new things as we talk through our observations and reactions to this week's Apple keynote and related events and announcements So that's what we're gonna do today Sponsors for this episode include the Zock doc comm slash mg g where you can sign up for free and download their app today Heel ex sleep where you can go to heal ex sleep comm slash mg g Take their quiz and figure out which mattress is right for you and save up to 200 bucks off your mattress to free pillows included and Then hunter Douglas comm slash mg g Hunter Douglas makes custom shades and more and you can visit that to learn more about them and get your Your figure out what what you're gonna get and all that stuff. That's hunter Douglas comm slash mg g We'll talk more in-depth about each and every one of those a little bit later in the episode here Back here after some world travels In Durham, New Hampshire. I'm Dave Hamilton And I haven't traveled anywhere except locally But here in Fairfield, Connecticut. This is John F. Braun all energized with my dunkin coffee here East Coast staple man. That's good Yeah, nice and also not doing any world travel these days Pilot Pete in Lee, New Hampshire said Dave. You're the traveler this time. That's weird, right? Usually it's you. Yeah Yeah, yeah, we had done it. We're in in well it started out in Greece for 12 days we wound our way through Greece some of the islands and then to Montenegro and Croatia and then and then finally in in in Venice Italy and I I have some travel related geeky stories to tell but those will wait until episode 932 because Apple changed our plans when After I booked this trip. They announced hey, we're doing WWDC this week now I probably could have figured it out, but I did not get to go because I was on a plane yesterday during the The keynote and I it was it was ironic It was interesting and and gave me I had like a moment of perspective because the Wi-Fi on the plane was Certainly not nearly good enough to stream the Apple event So I had to watch the live text coverage of it the live blog. I I watched mostly from the verge But it was fascinating because for the past 23 years. I had been doing the live blog Text coverage of these events for people Just like I was yesterday and it was it was an interesting moment of hey All right. Well, this is cool But I was able to sort of watch along like I said the Wi-Fi on the plane was it's pretty awful In fact, in fact, that would be my only real complaint about Lufthansa was how terrible the Wi-Fi was but Because it wasn't really even good enough to get text updates through where were you Dave when rough roughly? I mean, were you trans oceanic? At that point I was yes. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's having to satellite. It's satellite for sure at that point. Yeah Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, that's right. That's fair. Yeah, but it was pretty terrible even when we were overland Before that so I yeah, it's it's not like JetBlue's fly-fi thing has been so anyway Pretty sad though that sitting in the back. You still have more access to current information weather News than the guys in the front office. Well, you know these Fair fair I did have access it was just it cut in and out a lot and Yeah, it just it was fine, but I did get through it So let's let's do the same and let's get through this. I did I have watched the keynote I watched it on YouTube at one and a half speed this morning, which is Absolutely the way to catch up with things Because YouTube lets you do that with videos In fact, you could do that with this show and this episode if you want go to Mackie cab comm slash YouTube and then you can just press play and set the speed to whatever you want the speed to be Yeah, we're downcast and don't get to work speed right downcast overcast also has a smart speed Yep. So yeah, any of those accessing the material to me was somewhat annoying because I Would go to a web page that claimed to have the content and it was like yeah hang out here and And we'll broadcast the thing and it was like we slow down. What what content are you talking about? What material? the WWDC content Like the the the live stream of the keynote. Yes. Oh Okay, I mean it was just apple.com is where that would be yeah, and that's eventually what I did or you could get it through Apple TV and sure upper app. Yeah, right But there were just some paths that I took where I was on a page saying hey hang out here And you'll see something and it's like no Was it an Apple page? Yes, interesting because I've always if I'm gonna watch it on the computer. I just watch it from the home page I mean it's right there. Yeah, right And of course the developer app also, you know had all these things. Yeah Well, I'm on your Apple TV You don't even need the developer app for the keynote You just go to just go to the Apple TV app Well, there isn't a there there was I don't know if there still is an app for Apple live events But if you went into just your the Apple TV app that you watch like Ted lasso in and all of that Oh, the keynotes. I started to go there and then I went Oh, no, there's a different app for live events and I went down to that No, they've consolidated and they also streamed to YouTube too, so I mean you could watch it in lots of places. Yeah Yeah, I tried them all I could see it like I didn't have trouble finding the content I just couldn't press play and actually get any You know Oh No, it wouldn't have been that fast Pete that that might have actually worked So Going in our own order here. I want to talk. I want to start with macOS because We are you know, I know we all use iPhones and most of us use Apple watches and all that good stuff and iPads and all that but macOS is our is what started us here all 17 years ago to be 17 years on Monday, but But that's that we'll celebrate that on Monday but I wanted to talk about macOS Ventura here and the things that the thing that jumped out at me first was What they've done with mail, you know, there are I've often talked about plugins that I use in mail to accomplish sending later Triggering reminders all of that stuff and now they've got scheduled send in mail, which looks I'm curious to see how If it's something that I can automate right because right now I have every message I use a small coupes mail suite to send every message with you know a two-minute delay and I can override that but my that I've set that as my default. I'm curious to see what Apple does and I have not installed the beta yet But you know though that the reminders the integrations in mail It's nice to see that Apple is is doing some things there, which is which is cool and and then The enhanced search in mail. I think well mail has needed search revamp and so I was glad to see that too but but that for that that was the first if I had to order by priority of or My impressiveness for me just seeing Apple pay some attention to mail in macOS is a great thing I am I'm happy for that. So that was that was the top of my list I have other things on my list. Have I what about you John for macOS? What what jumped out at you first? They mentioned So they got a new password thing going on and it kind of crosses it It's not just macOS, but it's iOS as well sure this whole pass keys. Yeah concept I think is very interesting in that It's it's like password less Access to your stuff And I still got to look into exactly what I mean it includes public key Cryptography which you already have but just the whole concept of you not having to have a password I think is Pretty powerful. Yeah, I I agree and they're they're these pass keys are being Created slash used as part of the Fido Alliance, which means it's cross-platform with Google and Microsoft and all of that Yeah, I I'm eager to hear your Human translated interpretation of it after you watch the the Dub Dub sessions on pass keys this week So maybe maybe next week's show will have a dig a deep dive into that because I would I would love to hear your Thoughts on pass keys John. Yeah, that's I figured that might jump out to you Yeah, yeah, it's interesting The other thing that jumped out at me is Shared tab groups in Safari. Yes So we've talked about these tab groups and how we've been sort of struggling to find use cases for them But shared tab groups as soon as I saw that it was like oh wait a minute like this would be great Even just for what we're doing here Wouldn't it be amazing to have a tab group that is live that that we're using as we're doing the show And we can add things to it or remove things from it And it's just this collaborative group of of tabs Or of sites that are open in Safari as tabs I think that is perhaps one of the best use cases of tab groups I've seen so far so that that that really jumped out at me I'm eager to see how how Experientially that plays out as I am with all these things of course But yeah that that the the shared tab groups was an interesting thing for me So it seemed like that jumped out at you too, John, huh? Yes. Yeah Oh go ahead John. Sorry. No the other thing Stage manager. Yeah So it's it if I had to encapsulate it. It's like finder plus Or it's like here's that here's the things we didn't quite get right with the finder So we're gonna give you this thing called stage manager that makes managing your windows and stuff a little easier Yeah, but it's not the finder It's it's like the entire interface because it's it's it's not limited to the finder. It's in fact It's all apps, right? Yeah, well What's the other one where you can get the window to show all your apps? It's more like mission control or full-screen mode. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's full-screen mode But with the ability to see what other apps you have open and I like that and again, I haven't experienced it yet It seems like it's very as soon as I saw this my thought was okay Well on my multi-monitor display, I almost certainly don't want that Because I've I've figured out all my layouts and I have things where I want them But on my laptop when traveling, you know, recently I've been talking about how with my travels I've been bringing an extra screen with me so that I can manage all of my stuff at once With stage manager, maybe I wouldn't need that extra screen as often because I can you know It would manage that for me. It seemed like very much geared towards single display Use cases and smaller displays like you would find on a laptop or on an iPad Which of course we'll talk about later in the in the episode because stage stage manager does come to iPad But yeah, that that whole managing of windows and you can have Multiple windows in a group on iPad. I believe it's four I don't know what the max is on the Mac It might it might also be four but it might be more than that or there might not be a maximum because you've got you know potentially larger screen real estate, but But yeah, I again, I'm curious to see what the how that How I can make that work or if I find a way to make that work But yeah, I can I can see the benefits there stage manager, but yeah, it's me. It's not just the finder John, right? I mean, it's it's for yes, it's the whole system. Yeah, it's a whole system. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I Yeah, I don't know. Do you do you when you saw it? Did you think oh, I'll use this? No, okay? Right, right. Yeah Is that though? I mean when they come out with a new feature, you're like, yeah, I don't know you were saying earlier I don't see the use of shared or tabs. Yeah, now. Oh shared. Oh, okay. So, you know, they they they have a further They see better than I do. Yeah down where they're going with something. Yeah Well, I mean focus mode is a great recent example of that right like last year over the summer It's like I can't imagine why I would ever want to use something like that and now And now it's everything I it's integrated into everything I use so yeah, yeah Actually, you were starting to ask me something and I was gonna confess that that's the one part of the keynote I have not seen yet. It's the okay. Yes, okay about tabs and I and and I thought about the shared tabs And I thought all about the focus mode and I don't know if that it's probably in Mac OS to it Well, I'm sure it's in Mac OS as well that You can turn on focus and it will turn off certain tabs And the problem I see with that is you're gonna hide tabs from yourself and be gone. Oh, yeah, where did they go? Yeah, oh, it's a focus mode issue. Yes. No, you're right That that's cool But you're gonna hide stuff from yourself early on until you're used to the fact that you're it depends on what focus mode You're in whether or not you're gonna see some tabs you You've hidden. Yeah. Well, and yeah, I have run into that with focus mode Even as it currently exists where I'll put myself in a focus mode and Then forget that my devices are in that on on iPhone I know right away when I see the lock screen that I'm in a focus mode I do not know that when I launch my Mac like, you know, there there's there's like a little dot up next to the You know the the the thing that says hey, there's notifications You haven't seen because you're in a focus mode that hides them But that's not enough like there's no obvious. Hey dumb dumb, you you know, it's been 20 minutes You're starting or you know, you got up and came back Did you do you realize you're still in a focus mode? Yeah Yeah, yeah, I think I think we're going to see more examples of people getting caught by that So to use some some familiar language Hey Dave just a heads up Your voice digitized a little bit there and you're in your video froze for it's gonna be I would thank you Yeah, it's completely a non-issue for 99.9% of the audience who's listening to the audio, but yeah There's something for those of you that are watching this on video or watching these segments later There's some weird issue between me and StreamYard where Like yeah, my you've got good sound going down to your to your disc. So correct. I'm fine on it No, you yeah, but it's it's worth it. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned it so that people know We're aware of it the people that are watching on the on the video, but yeah, yeah, yeah So we may have to move away from StreamYard if It just continues. Hey, you know a little platform. There are plenty of platforms like this. Yeah, so it's all good Anything else well, yes, I have I have a couple other things John. Do you have anything else from macOS Ventura? the spotlight enhancements look nice and Once I saw it. It's like why doesn't it do this already? Yes, agreed. Which which enhancements specifically jumped out at you like Showing photos so when you're searching it actually will display thumbnails of Whatever you're searching for sure, which it doesn't quite do right now. So yeah I thought that was kind of interesting. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're right The the ability to start a timer from within spotlight on the Mac The search results now include the index of live text So if you're searching for something that's like text in a picture Spotlight should be able to pick that up or at least we'll pick it up more than it does now Which is never but yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh and live text I mean, that's another one. So I enhanced that as well. That's cool. Yeah, yes And that you can have it do it on videos, right? I'm assuming that's part of Mac OS I I know it's part of iOS 16, which we'll talk about a little later in the episode here But I'm assuming that that carries over to Mac OS, but I could be wrong about that They didn't I don't recall them saying one way or another whether that made it to Mac OS But it it may well have. Yeah. Yeah the the continuity camera is a feature that Yes, yeah, that that Really jumped out at me because when we do these shows As listeners know I've been using an iPhone as my webcam because all other webcams suck and I've been using Reincubates camo to to accomplish that and now well once we have Mac OS ventura I'll be able to stop using reincubates camo Maybe we're seeing we'll see how well it works But the thing that excited me the most was the Belkin Magsafe mount That lets you take your iPhone and mount it on top of your screen so that you can Because other because you know like these mounts are a pin in the neck to to use like there's there's no good mount to to to see this and But Apple has been working with Belkin and they've got these mounts that That just Magsafe to your phone and hang over the top and then they're using the wide-angle camera So this is this is where Apple can beat every other Webcam maker because Apple It's funny. I was having they know how to turn on which camera Well, I was having dinner with a friend not that long ago and and he commented He's like, you know Apple's more of a camera company now than a phone company or a computer company. It's like well I mean a lot of their like technological smarts and R&D investments in are into the software side of making their cameras work phenomenally well and What they're doing with continuity camera is not only are you using the iPhone as your webcam where you get portrait mode and you get You know the center stage where it follows you around and all of that good stuff, but they've also got Did I write it down here? Yeah desk view which takes the ultra-wide camera and Can see what's on like your desk and keyboard underneath the camera And they they do some they must do some like magical smarts with it in order to like Descue that image and make it look like it's supposed to look right because it it's gonna be on the fringe of that camera's view Which always gets sort of you know rough and and You know distorted and all of that but yeah, no I like it's pretty cool what they're doing with it and smart Smart so I'm curious one will get those cameras just built into a Mac But maybe never I don't know Anything more on but I'm excited about that obviously very very excited about that anything more on Mac OS before we start talking about this new M2 chip Um, I think this was part of that, but a studio light. I have a okay here. Okay. What's that apparently? They've added more smarts to the image processing But it was neat watching it in that You know you saw before and after and it was like oh wow the after is a lot better So what like explain what you saw? Yeah From what I recall from watching it it would basically just Make your lighting better Yeah, the image processing an enhanced portrait mode kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah for sure. Yeah. Yeah Again the before and after I was like oh that's much better Yeah, let me tell you that yeah, they won't get this will it work with the built-in camera Do you have to use your iPhone mount in order to get so I think that I think that's part of the iPhone? Smarts because I remember the iPhone has where you're way more right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah All right, so let's start talking about this M2 chip that Apple has released for us Let me see if I can find the Yeah, okay, so I want to slap one in my current laptop. Well, yeah, don't we all So the M the M2 chip, right? It supports more RAM. It's up to 24 gigs up from 16 Which is good. It's weird to me that it doesn't support up to 32 Because I mean if you're gonna go past 16 and add that bit wouldn't that therefore mean you could go to 32 I don't know. I think the math would be simpler. I would imagine so. Yeah, that that struck me as well Yeah, it's like I mean things that are powers of two is what computers like correct. Yeah So I don't see why they created this what I'll Consider an artificial boundary. It's like well, why don't you just go for 32 man, right? Right? Oh, I'm with you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's based on five nanometer tech higher performance per watt right which Apple I mean that's been Apple's Whole focus on Apple Silicon for a very long time because obviously we're dealing with phones and now laptops It's an eight core CPU with four of each for high power cores for high efficiency cores a 10 core GPU They say it's got 18% greater performance than the M1 So nice to see the evolution of this, right? I mean like that's that's how it should be Anything more and it was fun. I mean they were totally bashing on Intel. Oh, yeah Oh, yeah, especially with their graphs. They would be like, okay Well, here's the graph of what we do and oh, here's the Intel guys, right? Oh nice try. See chip Yes I mean it tells no slouch but but It's interesting to me because Most people will be like well Apple's not a chip company and it's like well now, but you know, they kind of are they kind of are Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah Yeah, it's I'm let's see It's got a shared 16 meg cache on the high performance cores of 4 meg cache on the efficiency cores. Yeah, let's I'm excited. I'm excited and I'm even more excited about the M2 MacBook Air because we love the MacBook Air Here I'm that's what I traveled with the I've got the M1 air the screen got a little bigger By pushing out and adding a camera notch The screen got brighter 500 nits. It's a new design. It's a squared-off design again. I You know, I don't regret our family vacation all but at all but I do Wish that the timing had worked out such that I had been able to head out to Cupertino and Actually touch one of these in person because I want to see how it feels that the MacBook Pro The M1 based MacBook Pro is also a squared-off design and that feels very chunky I'm curious how this squared-off design of the new MacBook Air compares that it is light Right, it's 2.7 pounds the M1 air and and the Intel air that preceded it for 2.8. So it is less So hopefully hopefully it doesn't feel chunky or chunky earth. Yeah, I was never crazy about the wedge design though. I I you but you never had one. I know I have I love the wedge design Well, it's because it's I mean, it's great. It's thin It's you know, it's thick where it needs to be and that's it It like I've always loved that design. I don't the chunkiness of the the MacBook Pro was like Oh, well, this feels like, you know a Dell or something like it's it's not quite I mean, but it's sort of like well, okay like fine It feels like a computer whereas the the air with the wedge design feels sleek So I'm curious to see how the the sleekness of this new one is I will be shocked if this one feels chunky Or else they wouldn't be calling it an air, you know at 2.7 pounds and 20% less volume is what they're saying and less than a half inch throughout. Yeah, I mean this I think I Could be wrong, but you know, I think the Apple would put their brains together and came up Yeah, I'll be shocked if it if it feels chunky. Yeah. No, I mean, that's why I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt I'm with you on that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah And MagSafe is back. Yeah. Yeah, right that MagSafe is back on that I'm guessing you can charge either way MagSafe or USBC Which is how it is on the on the MacBook Pro with MagSafe You can you can do either Which is great because you know when you're traveling if you don't have a MagSafe connector with you You need to be able to charge your device and it's nice to you know to have that so yeah Yeah, I've just learned to have two chargers one I leave at home and one I leave in my suitcase. Oh, oh, I have yeah Yeah, of course Yes, there's no other way to travel if you're moving things from like your desk or your bedside table into your travel bag When you travel and you forget once You will forget it once and then you will have a set of two. That's right one one for traveling and one not one for not Yeah You may get expensive when you have to add the Uber each way to the best buy to get your yeah, right, right? Yeah, the cost on those triples when when Uber is involved in getting you to and from that's right. Yep. Yeah but um, I Made the thing is I never really considered getting the air because At least the the the first few were honestly kind of wimpy as far as processor and stuff like that whereas Now, I mean, that's not a problem anymore, right, right. That's that's fair. That was the reason I really avoided it The other thing is I just like a big screen and they're not quite there yet I mean, of course, there is the M1 MacBook Pro 16 inch correct which will probably be my next machine But I'll I'll scratch my head a little bit more that the air may have a place in my future life well if you You know if you're using it at home More than you're using it on the road then the big screen becomes more of a benefit than a liability But if you're using it more on the road then at home then I would say that that math kind of flips You know just just because and also the MacBook Pro 13 inch got the M2 chip, right? But the 16 inch MacBook Pro still doesn't have it neither does the 14 inch, but I'm guessing That's coming real soon I'm looking at the specs here for the MacBook Air and Brian Monroe in our chat room at live.MacGeekUp.com Noted that it only has support for one external display and he is right about that So it's I'm simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and One external display with up to 6k resolution So same limitation on the M2 as the M1 in terms of the The way the graphics can support external displays if you want more than more than two total displays You have to go with some display link solution or something that's going to do you know USB based video for you Which isn't it it's totally fine for many things It's probably not fine for gaming and any you know fast refresh work, but Yeah Yeah, what else do you mention? 1080p camera, I guess we didn't have that before we did not it was it's been 720p in In the the MacBook Air for first it got it went from 15 frames per second to 30 frames per second when we jumped to M1 and added some Smarts presumably borrowed from the iPhone that made the camera look so much better I like it got remarkably better, but it still was not 1080p in and I Caution us as always I caution us all to Not get too hung up on the the numbers of a camera You know 4k camera versus a 1080p camera versus 720p the frame rate is going to matter more the the Smarts between the camera the camera lens and the screen upon which the images displayed those clearly matter more than just the You know the the specs of the camera, but being able to capture more isn't a bad thing It's just not necessarily the answer And then just a minute ago you had the the other thing up Not a big technical thing, but it comes in four colors now So does yeah, the see which of those colors is the four Yeah, the four colors are silver space gray starlight, which is gold and midnight Which is sort of this dark blue ish kind of thing Color my Apple watch right right. Yeah. Yeah I'll be interested to see though if there's any value difference because remember in the back in the day I think I think the white MacBook was more valuable on resale than the black MacBook. Oh, that's true Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, and I think some of the phones are that way too whether it was gold or Right black or great. Yeah, right And now for $60 you can get a dual USB port Power adapter from a dual USB C port for power adapter from Apple I don't know why you'd pay Apple for that when you could buy it from someone else that's been making it for longer But you know, it's nice to see Apple join The fray with yeah with it. Yeah, actually. Well, we mentioned earlier I'm doing my little trip to Best Buy and the one I bought wound up with two USB A's and two USB C's on it. Yeah, so which makes it nice I only need one adapter when I'm in Europe and I can plug in my watch charger my Mac book my iPad That's fair. Yeah, but yeah, so highly recommend one of those if you're doing any traveling much much better than just the one Yeah, yeah, you want to get something when you're traveling that can charge multiple things from one Plug so that like you said when you're in a place that is different that has different outlets from your home You only need to adapt you need to adapt less of them I carry two adapters, but same when I can use one They're super easy to leave behind I'm curious now to go through and count how many I know how many we took To when we flew to Athens, I'm curious how many of them made it back and how many are stuck in various outlets either in The Airbnb that we stayed in in Athens or on the cruise ship or whatever. But yeah, exactly All right enhance the sound system. Oh, right That's right cuz I gotta say the the sound that I get from my current MacBook Pro is amazing is sometimes I'll play something back and yeah, it's Not spatial audio, but I think it kind of is because I'll hear stuff like on the edges and I'm like wow how'd they do that? Yeah Yeah, so so it's nice that they up the specs on that as well I agree. I yeah, I agree four speaker sound system and With with at most support Dolby at most supports you get the you know the the not just the wide sound but the tall sound Which is what at most ads and then three mics doing beam forming which is not all that different I think from what you have on your 16-inch MacBook Pro I'll never forget the first time you joined Like a zoom call for like Mac Observer staff meeting one day or something and your mic sounded great And you were just like no, I'm just on the look I'm just using the inbuilt mic on my 16-inch Pro and it's like oh, yeah, they're doing some magic there That's not all these things normally sound so which is great like that. This is what I love about Apple is you know the the innovation And that they do on one product for a specific thing then carries over which is which is key Yeah, they're not stopping. I've noticed on my third MacBook Pro I'll be you know in my chair sometimes and then I'll listen to something and it's like wait a minute Why does it sound why does it sound like it's coming from three feet over there to my left? Yeah? Yeah, what just happened to me in my lap. Yeah, yeah No, they do a good job and the same as on the iPad and even the iPhone like has a much wider sound field than The the width of the phone would dictate and it's yeah, it's cool Fun stuff beamforming All right Well, we have iPad OS 16 iOS 16 and then some other things to react to here and shed some of our light on The next thing that I would love to do if it's all right with you Mr. Braun is talk about our sponsors for today sounds good. 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So with two displays, you know the ipad being one and then the external display being the other you get eight That to me Really tells me that they are seeing the ipad as a You know as a laptop replacement, which I know a lot of people are already doing It's just nice to see apple embracing that and opening things up so that people really can Have that same experience, especially if you add a keyboard and a trackpad to your ipad Now suddenly, you know, the lines are very blurred between what a macbook air is and what an ipad is I mean, I like that the the center stage I do want to say is only available on m1 based ipads. So It's not it is an m. You know an apple silicon m1 thing. It's not available on on non m1 based ipads, which makes sense so and and john did you see that They also added vm swap to the ipad. I have that on my list here, which I just Kind of assumed That's what they were already doing, but I guess they're not I guess not. Yeah Yeah, I mean the virtual memory is like a foundation of Any operating system? Yeah, I I mean and i'm guessing it always had some level of vm to manage things But now it feels like it's being more explicitly Opened and exposed to apps the way apps see how much ram they have because they said, oh, yeah You can have up to 16 gigs Dedicated to a given app. I was like, okay So that may be the distinction there Because it would have to have had Some version of vm in the past. I mean, I don't know. Maybe not. It's unix, right? So Yeah, you know Yeah, so I was excited about that. Um, they also mentioned Uh customizable toolbars coming to ipad os apps So yeah, it was it was one of these very quick mentions Where it seemed like, uh, you know, like we can customize the toolbar on safari for example on the mac It seemed like that was coming to ipad os and they were opening up a framework or an api or whatever We want to call it for developers to be able to have customizable Toolbars in their ios, you know, their third party ipad os apps So there's definitely this distinction that's happening between You know what what ios can do on the iphone and what ipad os can do on the on the ipad And the latter is to me leaning very much towards what the mac can do Which is great. Like I I see no reason why it shouldn't so yeah, it's yeah, um So one thing that I noticed though that They were talking about this. Uh, so I agree with you is that they're trying um To make the ipad a computer Right, right for lack of a better term. Sure. Yes, and unfortunately I I mean i've seen in my career, you know with fellow journalists People were really trying to use an i device as their main Oh thing not just trying there. I mean they are look at look at jason snell look at federico vatiji like And you can do it. Yeah for sure Yeah, I I much prefer a computer. I I never Yeah, you're fine. I never understood why people were trying all I never understood why people tried to make an ipad Be a computer Because I mean it kind of it is but it kind of isn't What what was your issue with using an ipad as a computer p you you had a good one? Yeah, it's it's getting You your ability to get down into the shell and do terminal commands and file management and that and that sort of thing Sorry john and didn't mean to walk on you. Um, but which was actually one of the questions when you first mentioned it Dave that's that the line is starting to blur I'm wondering if ultimately their goal wouldn't be to make the ipad air It one of those machines that will fold back in half and become a touch screen Yeah, it is an ipad fold it back up use your keyboard and have full Uh unix type. Yeah capabilities um I think I to answer your question john because I sat next to I remember sitting between I think I had marco Armand on my right and jason snell on my left at at the most recent apple event at which I was in person Which was probably a dub dub dc of 2019 or maybe a fall event of 2019 uh, and I had my My air that I was you know doing my thing on Uh, I don't think marco was he may have been on his phone or something but jason was to my left on his ipad and Looking at how efficient he was able to be on that device And how uncrampt he was able to be with that device compared to me with my air Even though my air was you know small it was the 13 inch at that point because it was 2019 So I had the 2018 air So I was up from the 11 inch to the 13 inch but even still it was like okay I get it now and I even said that to him like okay now. I understand he's like yeah I'm able to move around but it it has always been and even then was Something you had to think in advance about which apps am I going to use? How am I going to lay out my screen to be productive? It's not the kind of thing where you know, you just open up your laptop and everything's there and you just sort of launch and go It's I'm going to do this event coverage What am I going to do? How am I going to do it? Do I have all the right things in place and have I thought through the the you know the ux of it all? Whereas now with especially with center stage. I think it it alleviates that to the point where It opens the door for people that wouldn't have gone through that headache to begin with right and and sorry I said center stage. I meant stage manager Too many stages apple. Yeah, but uh, yeah, yeah, so I like I I can see I can see stage manager really opening up that door And you can resize windows with stage manager on an iPad. Yeah, that's I mean like Like it's mind-blowing only in that we've wanted this for a long time and now we finally have it Yeah, and and in that vein To make the iPad more appealing to people I don't know why they mentioned it in the iPad presentation, but this freeform app looks Very interesting It's a it's a it's a whiteboard, right? It's a collaborative whiteboard. Yes with people other people running uh macOS ventura ios 16 ipad os 16 can See and edit and work collaborate with you on this whiteboard thing I mean, I guess it's certainly not the first time we've had this I'm curious to see how How well adopted it is now that everyone has it on their devices That that would be the only Thought that I would have about that is are people actually going to use this? I don't know I I bet they will and you might be right. Yeah, just is Just be my my example was I always used my ipad Pro for air or ipad pro. Yeah as a note taking device and I found that to be Uh, that handwriting the notes was more more efficient than typing because I could circle an entire Sentence or paragraph and draw an arrow up to something at the top of the page that go This is what where you can't do that when you're typing on some Yeah, my my my example for this is is shared notes, right? We've always had the ability to take notes on our various devices As and and there have been third-party apps like evernote which allowed us to share notes with other users Which is great Now once apple added shared notes to you know all of its operating systems That's when people started using them. So this shared whiteboard thing. You may be very right. Yeah about this. Yeah Yeah, it's good. And the other thing I noticed again. I don't know why they put it in the ipad presentation But I think this may have solved a problem that lots of our listeners and viewers have had And how do you share photos with people? Oh, yeah So they came out with shared photo library in the ipad presentation and I was like Oh, maybe they got it right this time. Was that in the ipad? I thought that was in the iphone portion Oh, um, it was definitely in ios. It yeah, okay. I have it under iPad that they mentioned it But it this is a good time to jump to ios 16 You know our observations about ios 16 because you're right. It's in both places But yeah, the shared photo library. So it continued john. I have I have many thoughts about this as you might imagine well I mean from what I could see they it seems like they got it right this time because sharing Photos among people has always been a challenge for any platform And apple hasn't quite. I mean they had shared Shared albums Yeah, you can share an album. So they had shared albums But there were a lot of restrictions and the last time I tried to use it. It was just like This is terrible Right, right And it it did a nice job. I think david last time we chatted about this very subject on the show. Um, you We talked about security issues. Suppose you then a third person joins You know our shared library and that sort of thing But having the ability to automatically send it to the shared library And then you can turn it off You can say, you know and I was saying pre-show, you know Like I took a picture of a ladder and a platform adopted to fit this ladder I I turned that off so it wouldn't go to the shared library because I wanted to build one of these myself so that I can hook this platform onto a ladder and and but no one needs to see that but rather than the the photos of my daughter's great-great-grandfather and That sort of thing in there that she can now see and reference anytime Is is awesome. The only the only thing that bothers me about that, but I have a feeling it's it's covered Is that she has the permission to delete that Yes, and but I don't think it deletes it from my Personal library from the shared library. Yes Oh interesting But I you know if she deletes it it probably won't take it out of my personal library Don't I think it does and here's why because I when apple announced this I was like, okay Finally like here we go. Yeah, and and I will remind myself and anyone listening that This is version one of apple's shared photo library. So this is different from a shared album Uh where things that are removed from it still stay in your library. This is a separate library And you choose to move things to the shared library not Also put them in the shared library. So it feels like very much Too separate thing. So I would think when someone deletes a photo. It is deleted from that library now We all and again, this is version 1.0 But as it currently stands and as I understand it from what they announced yesterday You we all can only be part of one Shared library with up to five other people So pete if you want to be part of a shared library with your family You could not be part of a shared library with me and john, right? So that feels like okay Like I get it But why not just let us add other shared libraries and I know why Because now you have or in this version 1.0 You have the little button that says add this to the shared library or don't add it Which not which shared library correct, right? So it starts gets very it would start to get very confusing um yeah, and and So you can have things move to the library. I like the automation of this where based upon filters of various types who's in the photo or Who's nearby you can choose to have things automatically added to the shared library or your personal library I love all that stuff. I wish They just gave us this functionality with a shared album though Because that way you would still keep all of your photos in your photo library And have this shared this smart shared album if you will right like In an insanely smart shared album that what became this collaborative thing I would have preferred that over here's a completely separate library That you are putting your things into and now everyone has the ability to manipulate them I mean they talked about the good parts of that and there are good parts of that But it feels like I don't know it feels like all my wife's photo. She gets all of mine. That's cool. That's the cool part That's the cool part. Well, and if if your wife does a cool edit to a photo You get the the results of that edit because it's a shared library like that part's cool But it feels like I don't know Again, it needs to be one of those things that we experience in person, but I think it's going to run into a lot of Clashing of things Yeah, it's going to be more confusing than it than not the one other comment though I have I guess to to clean up the whole deletion issue is as I recall you have 30 days to pull back That's been deleted from But you need to know it's been deleted. Yeah, bingo. So there needs to be hey these photos were deleted You want to review them? Yeah by someone else like right? I delete photos and I forget that I did that You know, if you delete a photo from our shared library, I definitely am not going to know that you did that Right, right, you know, it's just realistic Yeah, so that but I was excited and I I am excited about it I think I think it's going to need to get to you know, what I'll call version two I don't think apple will call version two but it needs to get to you know version 1.1 or version two of of Shared libraries before it's at the point where it's like, yeah Like you know like our trip to Greece last week as soon as I saw this It was like, oh my gosh, wouldn't it have been amazing to have this as opposed to now as we get home We need to add things to this shared album that we've created And we need to remember did I add things while we were in Athens like that was so long ago like, you know Do I don't want to duplicate but there's five of us in that library It's the four of us in our family and my daughter's boyfriend who joined us on the trip now I want him to see all those pictures and I want him to contribute to all of those pictures, but Like that's that one. I don't like the rest of it. So Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't need pictures of your dad's Correct 60th birthday from you know, yeah, yeah, he wasn't there. He doesn't like it doesn't mean anything to him Yeah, exactly. So that oh and if he were to join ours, well then now out of his family, correct Yeah, so like like immediately as soon as I saw this there were all these walls where it was like Well, what about this obvious use case, you know, there's more to come and I think there will be yeah for sure Yeah, yeah, so But I am excited about it I am extremely excited about what apple has done with messages On ios and presumably elsewhere too, but you know, we heard about it in the ios portion mark as unread This solves a problem. It's a crappy solution I will say that out of the gate, but it is a solution to the problem of pete asked me a very important question Well, I'm not in a position to answer it because I'm you know, like on a bus somewhere And so now I can choose to mark it unread so that I know to come back to it later amazing great Why couldn't we I think better than that though would have been the the easy ability to link it to to do Right so that I know I want to come back to this put it on my to-do list so that I come back to it And now my messages app doesn't show that I have unread messages Because I want the new messages to show as unread and not this thing that I want to Tickle myself with from pete Yeah, if we needed a title for the episode it just came out of my mouth Yeah, I'm sorry But but you know what I'm saying like I I have read the message I want to do something with it like in mail we flag things Why not add flags to messages instead of just this unread thing? So it's to me this feels like a lazy solution somebody said well We could just let people you know flip the flag that we already have And someone at apple said that sounds good enough apple doesn't usually do good enough. This is good enough Uh, and I'm not happy with it. I like undo send. I love edit messages. That's great. Yeah, because that way when I write huge Yeah, when I write you know myself that is something that Twitter users have been asking for forever and It's technically not really hard. It's just They haven't responded. I'm not gonna let you get away with that you have no idea how technically difficult that would be on on twitter's end You say it's not technically card, but but you've never seen their code base You don't know they're they're running. They're running in no sequel operation there like there's no database for twitter So I don't know that that's an easy thing to do. In fact, my guess is it's insanely difficult based on the foundations of that platform Okay, you can take down a tweet at least but of course it's out there. It's out there forever But correct me you do it quickly, you know Yeah, no, my guess is it's super difficult. Otherwise, they would have done it years ago That would be my guess, but I also have never seen their code base. I don't know But I don't think any of us are qualified to assess the Relative difficulty of adding that to an entire platform. It solves the issue of auto correct though ruining your day That it don't know in messages. Absolutely. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's great Or even being able to pull it back entirely is huge and I went they didn't say how long it sounded like it You had a short amount of time to do that But just yesterday I was having a conversation with two people my sister and fig with whom I do the other podcast He does another podcast folks. Yeah. Yeah, tell them about it It's uh, it's so there I was It's however great aviation tale begins and the url is so there I was dot us Um, and we were talking about another guest on the show But I was trying to have two conversations at the same time and we're talking about having a guy Uh, whose call sign was spaz On and so I replied to my sister spaz question mark Just like, ah, yeah, that wasn't for you. That's not for you, right? Yeah, yeah Having spaz on spaz was an impatient man in in many cases and and fun to screw into the ceiling Um and admits it himself, uh, hence the call sign but uh, we got episode three up uh this week and We're having a blast with it and some great aviation stories. So hopefully, uh, I love it I I yeah, I've thus far. I've only heard the first episode because I've been traveling and not really listening or in a place where I could download I have lots of wi-fi Tales of woe and the solutions to them to share Um in the next episode. So there you go. And well, I will tease it ever so briefly There is there's an adage in aviation about landing with your landing gear up There are those who have and those who will And we have a story about someone who did so oh man. Oh man. Okay. I want to hear this That's good. Yeah, yeah, right. I mean, that's the that's the asterisk there. Yeah, yeah But yeah, I like what they've done with messages. I like that they've added share play to it Like that's it's good. Yeah. I mean that was that was the thing that excited me the most out of that John did you look in the wallet section? They talked about, uh, smart keys um Or or anything out here sharing keys. Yeah Uh, but the thing I did notice is that when they were talking about apple pay So I don't know why they again why they put it in the ios part here, but This seems brilliant to me to make apple pay even more useful apple pay later. Yeah So you can spread out and some of my cards already do this Like one of my city cards. I think has a thing called flex loan Which is kind of the same thing. It's like you can pay it off though in the case of a credit card You have to pay interest whereas with apple pay later It splits it up into four payments with no interest which Check your flex loan terms because a lot of this is not apple didn't invent this It's a this is a huge business and your flex loan thing on your city bank card If you do the same kind of I agree to four payments You might get them interest free just like you do with apple But now you know with the new apple pay later. Yeah, this is a huge business to attract Uh loyalty, you know customers to use the the the card. Yeah. Yeah, it's no it's really smart And then what do I have another note here order tracking so apparently through apple pay you can now track your purchases I think that's a developer in it integration. Yeah where it links and then you can just get your notifications back via apple pay Yeah, I like that. I like that for sure Uh, I love that they added tap to pay On iphone. Yes. Yes, they were unclear about this and and I my guess is a lot of people won't understand Fully what this means. It means that your iphone becomes a payment processing device Right, so uh, if you give you 50 bucks in apple cash or well, you could but you could do that with messages right now Right. What it means is you could take your Credit card that does tap to pay that we don't use much here in the us But I used all last week all of my credit cards work this way You just tap it on the little reader and boom it goes and it's we use I say we don't use it as much here in the Us we don't use it as much but it is available here But yeah, you just tap to pay on an iphone and now you've charged someone's credit card Which is amazing. You can also use it iphone to iphone Via the same thing, but this turns your iphone into a payment You know receiving device which is amazing. Yeah, you don't need special accounts and all that And you don't need special hardware anymore. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. I I mean, it's going to be huge for Small businesses for sure You know the the person where you go At you know at a craft fair right and you buy something and they're like i'm cash only because I my stripe thing I don't like know how to make that work and it's like great pull out your iphone Let me tap to pay you with my credit card. Watch this. Yeah, exactly Yeah, I mean, you know as I I'm not sure who it was I just saw the notification across that someone in the chat room Said wow just like square. Yes, it squares been doing this for a long time This has been doable for a long time But now this is all self-containing your iphone You don't need to bluetooth to your phone because it's in your phone You don't need to wire into a terminal because you have the you know, assuming you have either wi-fi or You know a cell connection. Yeah, I thought that was pretty good. Yeah And that that tap to pay I'll give you that they were ahead of that curve there in europe our last family trip to europe What we wound up looking for gas stations that accepted a stripe on a credit card and almost ran out of gas at 9 30 at night in rural france Because everything was chipped and we didn't have any chip cards then this was 20 17 20 18 time frame. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah everything I The first couple of you know transactions that I did I put my card in the machine And every time the you know like at a restaurant or whatever the waiter was like, oh, okay You know and then I finally realized oh, I should just tap my card on the stupid thing like this is Yeah, I'm good to go now Yeah, sorry Got it. Yeah, so yeah, it was that was I I like that It's exciting The um, I want to talk a little bit about the lock screen widgets Uh, or the lock screen in general because that was where apple started their presentation with uh, certainly with ios Okay, I'm sorry Can we go back to the messages just for one more thing that I thought was really cool Now we have gone back to messages. Talk to us. All right. Yeah. Okay. So the dictation the keyboard stays open But you can still do dictation and then the auto punctuation. So you don't have to go Dave comma How's it going question mark? It so you don't get one run-on sentence with right words in it You don't have to do that and it adds all that but it leaves the keyboard up So you can go back and forth seamlessly between talking It you're absolutely right that that's huge It also adds something we've talked about on this show that you currently with ios 15 and prior you cannot dictate an emoji And It goes smiley face emoji all spelled out all spelled out. Yeah, exactly that word Yeah, yeah, yeah, right, but now that's that's fixed. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, sorry for the interruption. No, no I'm glad you brought that up. I think it's great Yeah, but the the lock screen stuff is interesting you know the For those who haven't watched the video the lock screen is customizable in A way that is very very similar to how you customize watch faces Uh, you you you can change the font you can change colors Of certain elements in a in a lock screen face if we think of it that way The whole thing starts to make sense and it's obvious that they took a lot of the Ux language from what they do on the watch and just moved it over to iphone They've added some other things too for sure, but the customization Is very much that and now Uh, you can have customizations that your focus mode is tied to A certain lock screen so when you change lock screens boom It goes to a different focus mode and now you know what you're doing and you can have Now new widgets on the lock screen But it seems like these widgets are the term apple used Was glanceable information And what that tells me I got to dig into the developer session So we'll definitely have a segment on this in in 932 Because john and I both have some things to look into But what that tells me is that these are not going to be Overly interactive widgets They are going to be you know push information not pull information or not not request information Put the thing up there and you will see it not put the thing up there and you can interact with it now apple Demoed the music widget which is interactive, but my guess is that's reserved for them And not for third-party developers We will see though. We'll dig into it and we'll we'll get we'll get more Uh perspective on that, but yeah, they don't appear to be generally interactive Uh, so don't get your hopes up about that until we until we know more But um, but yeah, I mean it like It seems I like I like that we have this customization. It's ridiculous that we have had to hack Pictures, you know, we talked just in the last episode, right? Somebody shared their shortcut that they have run every hour that updates their lock screen by creating a new picture That adds the weather for their current location to the picture and then makes that picture the lock screen It's cool. Don't get me wrong like in the ingenious Ridiculous that someone had to create that now with ios 16. They don't have to yeah, exactly Yeah, so I don't know. What were your thoughts on the on the lock screen john? Um All right, yeah I was like I I've I've never had Though they did some tweaks here, but I never really had a desire to customize lock screen to the level that They demonstrated it's nice Sure, I don't know if I'll ever use it. What I did uh, what I did notice though, uh, so a couple of things they tossed in here, so Notifications will now Roll in Which that I think is kind of neat. Yep. So before notifications would like dominate your screen Right. Sure. Now they you know kind of presented in a In a better way and then what else that they have reminds me of how mac os like rolls up notifications It's it's it's that kind of interface. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, um Live activities. I thought was kind of neat That's that yeah, there's an api coming later this year for for what you just said for live activities where a an app can update its widget Based on information that it's getting so, you know, thanks sports cores One example that they used was, you know, your uber is five minutes away So instead of just getting a new notification, you actually get to see a little, you know progress meter for things like that Which is cool. I think though, you know you When you say that you've never had the desire to customize your lock screen and add things to it You've also never had the ability So I don't know that any of us know what we want there or how we will use it Until we have the ability to actually do those things So i'm curious a year from now. Let's revisit this conversation Once we've had, you know, ios 16 Just in our hands on our in our daily life What things have we added to our lock screen? I guess is all three of us are going to have widgets on there That that because right now we have two we have a widget that shows two things, right? We have the time and the date Oh, and whether we're on wi-fi, right? Or are we have our signal strength, right? Right, we have other things up there that are very helpful to be able to just look and see My guess is adding something like the weather to my lock screen would be amazing Adding something like my next, you know, appointment would be awesome If you're tracking your, you know fitness or whatever putting your rings on your lock screen would be really nice Especially since now The health functionality a lot of it works without having an apple watch They're adding a lot of that emotion tracking fitness tracking. Let's say to the iphone itself Which it's always been able to do to a degree Yeah, so Yeah, I think I think I think like I think this will be one of those things like focus mode where You know, we didn't want it because we didn't have it And we didn't know and then once we experience it my guess is we'll all be Which goes back to the watch almost remember Well, I exactly, you know, well, you were always a watch guy anyway Yeah, but I went several years without wearing a watch and just use that times on my phone If I need to know exactly what time it is pull my phone out of my pocket and look But then this thing has become so integral to my daily Things that I do and so that's why I was gonna say that was gonna be my point is that I bet we grow into this one I I I will be shocked if we don't grow into it I look at all my android friends who have the ability to do this like again this isn't something apple invented and You know, they're like, oh, why don't you just know this information? Like why isn't it on the front of your phone? It's like well because my phone vendor doesn't let me make that decision yet But soon now so yeah Yeah, all right. Well Anything else to uh to talk through here? Pick me pick oh p Let's see. Yeah, let me go back to my notes So I get it exactly what it was being able to they were talking about live text being able to convert currency and translate Quickly on the camera But also being able to grab text from photos and menus live and then Here's the other really cool one. I can't tell you how many hours I've spent getting the fine edges and in Making a transparent background on a given object Now here you take a picture of your dog and you press and hold your dog with your finger And you pull your dog out of the photo and throw it into messages throw it into an air Yep. Oh my yep. Yep machine. No, I got a note here. It's finest. Yeah, uh visual lookup Let you put your dog in messages Is my note here. Yeah, it's amazing and they did it because yeah, I mean I've I've tried to wrangle with Photoshop trying to do like a lasso or something like that and you can either do it by hand, but it's a real pain in the neck so Making that functionality available In more apps is is definitely cool. Yeah, I'm with you Pete is yeah I'm thinking that took some serious differential calculus little algebra one some trigonometry and a few other math Image processing. Yeah. Yeah I mean it's it it it comes down to machine learning and and pattern matching, right? I mean, that's what that's what this is is You know at its core is all that no pun, but core ml stuff You know, yeah, yeah Yeah One other thing I will add as I'm trying to synthesize the the river of comments that are happening in the chat room at live.mackykeb.com Think about what we can do with our watches now that they are always on And the rumors of the iphone's 14 having always on screens And adding customizable lock screen widgets to the iphone Now an always on iphone screen gives you a lot of information without ever even waking your phone up That Could be a big difference maker because I mean I think about my my watch once I move to the series five with always on It's like, okay, wait a minute. Like this is great. You know, I just get to see the time I get to see other things that are, you know involved on the face of the watch Apply the same thing to the phone if they wind up doing that with the phone. This starts to become interesting. So lots to figure it always on though to Theater mode Is is the battery life pretty much the same Oh, I don't know that's a good question. Pete. Yeah Yeah, I tend to go in theater mode a lot especially at night. I don't Waking up sure Yeah, huh? I wonder if the battery life is any shorter. Although, you know That you're not getting more in 24 hours out of your watch anyway. No, no nor nor will you ever out of a phone either? Try sleep mode, Pete I think the the display goes off when you're in sleep mode on your watch too You don't I don't think you need theater mode for that. Really? I think so, you know All right, there is gonna be lots more as the summer evolves as Experiences with the new stuff happen. We will share what we learn Uh, what we the little nuances that we find in the corners as we dig deeper into this stuff Because that's really where the fun is is uh is in figuring out how these things are going to work and there And then once you understand how We start to be able to understand the limits of what we can do with these new features So i'm excited fun stuff was a uh nice re-entry into the world of my my work life here Coming out of a Hibernation vacation, so yep off the grid off that was yeah, I mean I wasn't entirely off the grid, but I was off the grid Yeah All right folks. Thanks for where there are no limits, Dave is The gorgeous gorgeousness of craig's hair That is truth That's right, and they actually had a part of in the presentation where he's like running and then Brushing back his mane I was just like who did I mean did he ask for this or did they Decide to do that. You know he asked for that. Yeah yeah And and I got to say the presentation It was so smooth. I mean and I learned about all these new people It was like yeah, yeah, this is the director of What what or the manager of this and that and it's like I I don't know who this mark is but now I do Yeah, yeah, they it These presentations remote are Well even in person right there were a thousand people there Uh at at apple park watching this. Oh, right, right, right, but but it was still a pre it was a pre recorded produced Presentation that they watched together, which I I think that's the way the keynote should always be For sure. Yeah, because it's so much faster. There were times where it was like I wonder what it's like being there people want to applaud But you don't have time to applaud because you just missed the first 10 seconds of the next segment So things get to be really efficient in that regard. Yeah, yeah, well, then you also avoid the uh, you know, the dog won't eat the apple Exactly, you know, you're trying to do something and demonstrate it and there's a glitch and it's not working and you're like, oh Yeah, steve jobs doesn't have to be someone with a camera I'm with you in that Yeah, allowing You get concentrated bandwidth like this. Yeah. No, it's great. Um Because this is something that I've noticed um With uh one other presentation is the state of the union It's like will you get rid of everybody clapping or booing about every single thing? Because you could really tighten this up to be like really short What the state of the apple state of the union is live. No, I'm talking about the We don't talk about residential state of the union. You can't break that rule I'm gonna edit this part out. We don't we don't do politics to people It's coming out. I'm just talking about it's coming out. It's coming out. You can talk all you want I'm gonna edit it out. We don't talk about politics on this show. No, no, we don't do that to people all right Thanks for hanging out with us folks. Thanks Uh Pete and john for all of this stuff. Yeah Thanks for adjusting to my crazy schedule. It's good Uh, make sure you check out all our merch at mackeycup.com slash merch We have stickers some of which you designed folks We have t-shirts like the one if you watch the video today that pilot pete is wearing And uh, yeah, yeah, come hang out with us. Thanks for thanks for everything Thanks to cash fly for providing all the bandwidth to get the show from us to you And uh, make sure to check out our sponsors, right? He'll like sleep.com slash mg g zock doc.com slash mg g hunter douglas.com slash mg g been good John I know we've gone a little over on time, but I think there's time for at least like one more thing Do you have anything to share with with the good people who are listening? I got three things to Oh my goodness and that is Don't get