 Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode of Engaging Ideas, the Parsons TKO podcast where we like to bring leaders and innovators within the nonprofit sector to share their thoughts and have conversations with us and hopefully provide some insights and ideas to you and your work and your daily life as well. This episode today is a special recording. We are going to have this recording come out on Tuesday, October 11th, which is National Coming Out Day. And today I am very privileged to be joined by Sharon Herrera. She is the founder and executive director of LGBTQ Saves, which is an organization in the Dallas Fort Worth area. Welcome, Sharon. Hello. Hey, and we are recording on video too, so we're going to have audio and video clips of this. It's going to be exciting. And, you know, we've been running this podcast for over a year now. We've not made any direct asks of our audience at this point, but today I am going to ask, please consider getting a donation to LGBTQ Saves. And we're going to have the website linked in the show notes. It's going to be linked everywhere we're putting this out. And for anyone listening at the moment, it is L-G-B-T-Q-S-A-V-E-S dot work. And you will see a donate link right in the upper right of that website. Please click on that and get some money to LGBTQ Saves. You will save a life today if you can make that happen. Before I dive in, you know, in the prep for this show, Sharon, we had talked about one of the things was, could we get voices from some of the youth you've worked with or get them into the show? And, you know, I did not want to do that just for certain protections and a lot of the, you know, there's a lot of issues with child protective acts and being aligned. But I did, you know, scourge our website here. I've pulled a few quotes, so I want to read that here just for anyone listening and they can see this on your website too. But before we dive in, just to give people a real sense of the impact your organization has been having. And these are quotes from some of the youth that you've worked with. My family and friends do not support my identity as a lesbian. My dad told me I did not know who I am yet. A teacher told me it was just a phase and to choose better friends. My mom is not super, I'm getting emotional. Shit, I might not be able to make it through the quotes. I'll try again. Let me get another drink of water. We'll leave this in the episode too. I mean, this is, this is some real impact, y'all. All right, hold on. I'm trying for you, audience. All right. I am thankful my sister found LGBTQ saves for me. I get to visit and talk to people my age that understand what I am going through. I am just me. Wonderful, silly, lovable me. I wanted to end my life at one time and now I have other people to reach out to for support. I'm feeling set. That's heavy. You know, lgbtqsaves.org. I know a lot of the listeners in our audience are not possibly living in Texas. And so we're going to talk a little bit today just about where some of the laws have gone the humanitarian crisis that we're facing here. And I would love Beto to win, I think, as much as everyone that I know, at least in the state and a lot of people around the country. He's a very exciting figure. Beto's got a lot of money, y'all. This organization really needs your help. So please consider donating today if you're listening. All right, let's dive in. I don't know if I'll make it through the rest of the quotes, but they are on the website. They're super powerful, obviously. And the work you're doing, Sharon, has just been amazing and fantastic. And I really appreciate it. So let's go. All right. Thank you for diving in to talk to me today. So can you tell the audience just about lgbtqsaves and the mission? The mission is to provide safe and brave spaces for our youth to simply be themselves. We have a lot of programs, a lot of resources for our youth. It was something in 2010, September 2010 to be exact, there was nine suicides back to back of lgbtq youth. The endless one being Asher Brown, 13 years old. He took his life on September the 23rd 2010 here in Texas. And I work for Fourth ISD, one of the largest school districts in the state of Texas, and I knew exactly what was going on in our school systems. The bullying was intense and not a lot of support. So, and it also triggered my suicide attempt. I attempted suicide at the age of 16. Back in the late 70s, I am 58 years old. I will be 59 next month. And back then I didn't know about drugs or guns. So the way I was going to take my life was Drano. Drano had the little skeleton sign with the X on it, and I read that it would cause death if ingested. So that's the way I chose to take my life. I was a Catholic priest that told me I was going to hell that finally led to my suicide attempt. I'm Latina, born and raised Catholic, and there was no lgbtqsaves back then or a counselor. Or anybody talk about, you know, the LGBT community, and if they did, it was all negative. I'm dating myself. There was a show called soap back in the day with Billy Crystal. I remember that one. He portrayed a gay man and he was made fun of on the show and also the family I was watching the show with was making light of him in front of him. But my closet got darker and darker, and I had nowhere to turn to, so ending my life was going to be the answer for me. And the reason that I'm sitting here having the conversation with you today is of seven words that my aunt said to me. She walked in when I was trying to ingest the Drano and knocked the cup out of my hand and said, I know Mija, you don't like boys. And that's what saved my life and why I'm still here. My aunt is currently 80 years old. We text every day. We talk every day. She lives back home in San Angelo, Texas, a very small town in Texas. And like I said, those words are the reason that I'm alive. One affirming adult and still the day stands true that one affirming adult will save a life. So that is the reason that the suicides in our nation triggered my suicide attempt. And I started at LGBTQ saves. And I always tell people, I still don't know what I'm doing as far as running a nonprofit, but all I wanted to do was save lives and here I am. I've been blessed enough to have board members and friends that know about nonprofits and guided me along the way. I was told from the very beginning in 2010 that this nonprofit wouldn't last but two or three years because we're 100% donor funded. But here we are 12 years later thriving. It's about saving lives to me. Thank you. And thank you for sharing your story there with us too. And, you know, it's really personal and really appreciate you helping us hear that story. And so if somebody someone needed help, how would they go about getting that help from your work? How do how does this contact happen? Our social media are we have an email contact us at LGBTQ saves.org. We also have our, you know, our Facebook, our Twitter, everything you can private message us our website as well. My number is always out there. I get phone calls at three o'clock in the morning or nine o'clock in the all hours of the day asking for help because I tell everybody here locally just give him my number if you're not comfortable and I will help. So, yeah, my telephone number is given out a lot of times. I don't know if you want me to give it out here national nationwide, but I don't mind. My life has been threatened. I will give you that warning. I have an FBI agent that is assigned to me because of that. I'm not scared to give out my number if it's needed. So, Well, we'll make sure we get the email at least and, you know, I don't want to add any any more pressure to use that might already be coming your way. Thank you. Thank you. But definitely a lot of a lot of parents, a lot of youth during COVID, a lot of Latino families our numbers went up from I think it was 17% to over 38. Because of COVID a lot of kids were at home and I always say our youth are so much stronger and braver than I was at the age of 16. I had a 10 year old call me and tell me would I explain to his mom about being transgender, all in Spanish. So I was able to contact mom and we had a conversation. There were so many Latino Spanish speaking families reaching out that we had to create a Spanish tab on our website for strictly our Spanish speaking parents that we're calling. Not one father called but I can tell you about eight to 10 mothers did call during COVID. What struggles do you have to deal with when you're trying to aid LGBTQ youth in particular. Homeless homelessness because we don't have anything here in the city of Fort Worth. We have maybe places that will allow one night or two, but not for a long term. So we have a, we have a lot of, we have to send our kids to Dallas, our sister city and our brother city, whatever. When I got here to Fort Worth, I didn't know there was such a much friction between the cities of Dallas and Fort Worth. Yeah, I didn't understand. But unfortunately, we have to send our kids to Dallas because there's really nothing here in the city of Fort Worth for our youth. The other issue is transportation, transportation for our youth that we have to send to Dallas and our youth that want to attend our events that we have here in the city of Fort Worth. So we got a little bit into what drove you to want to start the organization and you're, you have, I mean the motivation to keep going even though you have these threats, you know, what kind of help have you been getting along the way as you've been starting this to take 12 years. I mean, that's, yeah, of course, some superhero work right there. Yeah. At the beginning, it was money out of pocket. We were able to save enough money in 2016 to start our own nonprofit. An attorney, John Barnes, I love him to death. He reviewed our paperwork so we didn't have to pay the big fee to get all this started through another company. So we just had to come up with $500 for the state of Texas to certify us as a nonprofit. So in 2016 is we were able to do that. And we received our first $3,000 check I remember from a local church, and we were able to buy, provide a scholarship, $1,000 scholarship, order some t-shirts, and just buy some spend some stuff that we need it for our youth for youth meetings. Back then we had one youth youth group meeting a month and now we have all Thursdays. And it's incredible what has happened because we were so tiny, we can only afford so much and now we've kind of, now that we can afford a lot of stuff but we're able to have enough money to have people that like Amy Carter is coming forward and they do our Thursday free and they provide food as well. We, during COVID, I panicked and my younger staff said let's go virtual and I said, okay, what does that look like? And because of going virtual despite COVID, we now are in Connecticut, Ohio, Michigan and Florida. Oh wow, I didn't realize you've expanded. Those were never my intentions but because we went virtual, kids were reaching out to us from everywhere. The child in Michigan that reached out to us had come out to his father, his father beat him up, threw him out of the house, he Googled us, found us, we were able to get CPS involved and he now lives with his grandmother. So that's the kind of stuff that was going on during COVID. We were being called from everywhere. There was a young child and I believe it was Iowa and his family sent us $500. His family told him to select an organization he wanted to donate. They wanted to donate money too and he Googled us and found us. So we received $500 from that family. But yeah, COVID, yes it was horrible but for us, it just allowed us to get bigger and bigger and reach out and save even more lives. There's different things you do provide to some of the youth as well in addition to trying to get them into housing as well, you know, gender identity affirming products. Yes, the gender affirming wear, gender affirming haircuts. We collaborate with acute salon and Novak salon here in the city of Fort Worth. And Novak provides free haircuts for LGBTQ youth that we serve and our volunteers and also acute salon. We pay half price because they're a smaller salon so we provide that as well. We provide scholarships. We provide, we started with 250 and then we moved up to 1000 because of that donation. So we provide two scholarships in June and two scholarships in December. One to a high school student that's been with us that's about to graduate and one to a college intern that has been serving us. We're very well connected with Tarleton State University here in the city of Fort Worth. For the past six years, their social work interns have been donating 75 hours 3535 and 15 per semester and that is the reason that we're we've stayed alive because of those volunteer hours. The first interns that we had created our first website, our website has been upgraded since then and we'll continue to get upgraded, but they were able to do our first website ever. It was just an incredible experience to have these these interns. One intern I remember was disowned because the family found out that they were serving LGBTQ saves. Another intern hit her son was able to come out to her at the age of 27, because he was contemplating suicide, but because his mother was a social worker and started working with us he was hearing and listening to the way the mother was hearing now and African American family, you know very difficult and at the age of 27 contemplating suicide he was able to come out to his mom. So those stories are incredible because you know they come back and tell me these things and you just don't know how, how far you're reaching out and touching people's lives and saving lives that that's why sometimes on my Facebook I have it doesn't matter where I'm 17 or 27, you know they're listening and hearing everything that you're saying, and are you accepting your child unconditionally. Wow. And if, if you could for the audience, there's people in our audience working at nonprofits of all different sizes, budget sizes and ranges I mean, what's the type of budget, you're doing all of this work on annually, what's your size, what's the size just to help the audience get a sense and then so then they'll all rush to lgbtqsaves.org. Yeah, my treasurer just told me that in 2018 we had $287 in the checking account, because of COVID, we are now at in the 90s. So we're able to provide more and more and more to our kids, and I mean we have Santa drives we have back to school drives we have youth pride coming up our picnic our youth pride picnic we had last year we made the cover of Dallas morning we had over 200 families, kids and families show up this past year this year to this year this past June, we had over 400 waiting list of 200 people trying to get in. So next year it'll probably be even bigger, but but that's, those are, that's what costs the most to provide a safe and brave space for these kids to be themselves. I can imagine, I can tell you the first event we had back in 2011, because we had saved some money to have a was a problem. We had 27 youth show up in all of us chaperones adults in the background were crying, because these kids were having so much fun just being themselves, just being able to And us adults, you know, we're in our but back then I was in my 40s and I was like, wow. You know, we were all crying because we never had that opportunity and if we could do this over and over again to our for our youth, you know, that's what we're doing is creating that that hope is so important because that's what they're holding on to, you know often say as a kid. I loved the Wizard of Oz, right. And the song somewhere over the rainbow. There's a land that I that I've heard of once in a lullaby, or dreams that you dare to dream to really do come true. I really believe that. But it wasn't till my teenage years that I said, Oh, there is no such land for me was a 70. So that's why, you know, another reason that led to the suicide attempt there was no such land. So what I'm trying to create is that land. It's not just in a in a lullaby that you heard once in a lullaby right. It's right here in the city of Fort Worth. And being the I don't know for the 12 or 13 largest city in the nation. We need something like this here. We need something for our youth. It just so important to give these these kids hope the hope that they need to carry on their lives and be who they're going to be. We recently purchased the the former KKK building. I don't know if you're familiar with that. Yeah, yeah. This is a fantastic story. I mean, so you got to you might want to tell the audience about it. It's not as familiar. I do want to interview Adam and Daniel at some point too. Yes, yes, we were one of the seven groups that are going to be housed there. And it's an incredible story. A man was lynched here in the city of Fort Worth 101 years ago now at our stockyards. And he was like they were he was beat up because we're crossing a union line. I don't know what they're called a picket line. And they left him. They thought they had left him for dead. He was taken to the hospital here in the city for worth. The KKK found out about it dragged him out and hung him at Samuels Avenue. And we're naming our building after him the Fred Rouse Arts and Community Healing Center. And it's an incredible story because we're going to we're eradicated the roots of hate and we're planting seeds of hope and love. And our kids will have a safe place where they know that they can just walk in that question if they're going to be accepted and loved. Yeah, just everyone listening to this, this building that we're talking about here. This was the former KKK auditorium for massive entertainment and rallies that they would have in Fort Worth located right within site of the city hall to really sort of show their power in the cloud and the group transform 1012 North Main that LGBTQ saves and Sharon as a part of has secured the building so it won't be knocked down. And it's going to be transformed into the center for healing and arts because it was Adam had said this before and I heard this when I had worked at the US Institute of peace you know pain. Pain not transformed is pain transferred. And so how do we start to change that that narrative and use something like this. I mean, I really think it is a super beacon of light and hope at to your point. These are the things we need in these darker times. If you're watching us on YouTube, you can see maybe getting a glimpse of Sharon's shirt, but you might also be listening because most people have just been listening but she is wearing an Air Force shirt because she is a vet. So one of my questions before we dive into some of the state laws here is just as you were starting up the organization. I know, when there's veteran status for small businesses or different organizations that usually helps when you're trying to file legally I mean, what did that help at all as you're working with this lawyer to get to the five one C three or, you know, what's your it didn't that didn't come up at all because we weren't using a shortcut to get and but as a veteran, you know I served long before don't ask don't tell I was survived which cuts article I believe 30 I can't remember them at all the articles that I survived but I served my country proudly and I wanted to continue 20 to 30 years, but I was only able to serve for because there were so many witch hunts. And I do, I'm a consultant as well so I provide LGBTQ 101 training for a lot of organizations that want to better serve their clients or their employees or youth if they serve youth. And I always, I always remember Alan Schindler because that is the gentleman that they brutally killed, and the reason that don't ask don't tell them all. But even after don't ask don't tell was in place over 30,000 soldiers still got kicked out. So I have friends now that were kicked out back then that are now being allowed to reapply for their honorable discharge instead of having a dishonorable discharge on their record. It was a horrible time and since I worked in the accounting and finance area, and I processed soldiers out every day. You know, every, I would could see why they were being kicked out so I added a lot of stress to my being and that's why I just served four years in the Air Force, so I am a proud veteran. I do it again, but it was very difficult for me back then. You have shouldered a lot for anyone not following Texas politics, maybe as closely as those of us living through it at the moment it's gone a little insane. And lately, they passed a lot of laws. I think that was around September 21. September 2021 when they came out was, I'm calling it humanitarian crisis there's obviously nationally people have had to the spotlight the abortion bans the laws against basically against women here in the state, but they have come out really hard against trans youth in the state of Texas and I think it's really important every time you're talking about people being able to shut me themselves. You know, that's they're trying to criminalize that here in the state of Texas. I think for anyone who's maybe not as familiar I mean, can you just give a little bit of insight into sort of what you're from your perspective and the youth you're working with I mean how these laws are starting to impact some of the kids here and what those laws are if anyone might not be as familiar. Yeah, though we have families that are leaving the state. And just recently I went to an event and I found out another set of parents were leaving. They're moving to Colorado, and the reason being because their child is trans. There's House bill 29 and I believe 813 99 and they're all against transgender youth. The ability to receive gender affirming medical care, the to play sports, and they're even coming after the physicians as well. And I believe Senate bill 1646 able to punish a parent for facilitating that care as child abuse. Texas is very scary right now, but even the nation with Clarence Thomas coming saying that maybe we should reverse same sex marriage is just, I don't know really what's happening. It's just, it's so dangerous, especially the trans bills are so dangerous, especially for a youth. I believe these bills are rooted in fear discrimination and misinformation, and it's simply cruel because we're attacking children, and I just don't understand that I can't comprehend. I don't have any children but I serve so many, and I can't imagine wanting to hurt a child. I'm considered everybody's very gay mother. And that name when I first started this organization by the first 14 year old youth that we helped, and I've carried that on server sense but I just can't imagine being so cruel to children. And all of these governmental restrictions deprived children of their personal growth and development. That is why we focus on that social and personal development with the LGBT key saves. You know, children who are trans, they feel even more isolated and depressed because of what's going on in our state. Abbot in, I believe, Paxton. Paxton. Yeah, Paxton is really, anyway, he's, he's something, we really have to vote these people out, if we're going to stay in Texas. So September 27 Dallas morning news today anyone who wants to go back since this is coming out on October 11 Ken Paxton had his wife. Take him and SUV and leave the house so he can avoid being subpoenaed for a trial for some more of his misconduct deeds that he's done quality. I saved it in right after pride. They, they did, they wrote a 40 page document adopted at the state parties first in person convention since 2019 2018 declaring homosexual, they were here to homosexuality as a normal lifestyle choice in this section on homosexuality, homosexuality and gender issues and I'm going to read this paragraph to you. Let me get my phone. We believe there should be no granting of special legal entitlements or creation of special status for homosexual behavior, regardless of state of origin. And we oppose any criminal or civil penalties against those who oppose homosexuality at a faith conviction or belief in traditional values. No one should be granted special legal status based on their LGBTQ plus identification. The section reads it also poses all efforts to valid validate transgender identity and calls for a band on gender affirming care for people under 21. And then there's another section entitled counseling methods. It also endorses so called re integrative therapy or other counseling methods. When consulting clients of any age with gender dysphoria or unwanted sexual attraction. So it's like backwards here we go here in the state of Texas. This was done purposely during pride month. Is this. So, like I said, I survived witch hunts before don't ask to an L, you know, I was an adult. And you know our children are in tune to everything and what's going on and can you imagine being a child reading this on social media, knowing what you're up against. That is why it's so important that we exist LGBT studies exist. Our lifeline chat is is is truly that a lifeline chat. Yeah, that's why I keep phrasing humanitarian crisis. This is. This is bad. I mean, this is awful. This is telling people you just can't be you and you are now criminal because you just were there and that was what you were. So we need to help everybody. If you're listening, we really do need some help. We got to help support. I know a national coming out there's I'm sure there's going to be a lot of happier stories and things like that. But I think we do need to bring this to the surface and really have people understand some of the struggles and to your point the reversal on so many things and how that is really affecting and impacting real lives. These are kids maybe that is want to play some soccer and they can't go out. They can't do that now. I mean, what would that feel like if that was you? You know, so I guess, you know, if someone listening is feeling really motivated at this point wants to help. What can they do to support you? LGBTQ saves and the organization LGBTQ, LGBTQ saves in addition to donating, you know, what other kind of support and help do you all need volunteers? We always need volunteers. I'm going to recommend a show, a documentary for everybody watch trans in Trump land. Powerful, powerful documentary that the actor Tony and the director Tony, he's the actor and director. He joined us. I wanted to share that we also have a virtual happy hour for parents, where parents come together. It's actually like P flag, but it's on steroids because it's growing because we're virtual and parents from all over are joining us and he was able to come speak to our parents and the actor and the four episodes in trans and the family from the first one were actually were able to help and facilitate one of our virtual happy hours for our families. So volunteer, volunteer, volunteer, but most importantly, if you're not comfortable. Now you have a resource for these children or your niece or your family member to turn to help us save lives, spread our message anywhere and everywhere. I've been asked to speak at so many churches, not churches chicken, actual churches. And I'm kind of like, okay, but they're even they are changing, they want to save lives. The scouts of America have reached out for my training, and that in itself speaks volumes to me. They've had they've had the the non discrimination policies in the books for a while, but now they're acting upon it and pushing it forward to better serve all all children, not just, you know, they want to serve everyone and be diverse. And they often they often come the scouts of America also have a booth at a lot of our events to support us in the LGBT community. So yeah. So on the volunteering since you have some of the remote locations now and you're doing more of an online presence can anyone is not in Texas but they've been able to help volunteer. Yes, they can just volunteer form we do a background check our one of our marketing coordinators that we have. It lives in Wisconsin. She does our newsletters and maintains our website and things like that of course we this is what our pain scale $10 an hour up to 30 hours a month $10 an hour up to 50 hours, you know, just we have to. We have to because once we're a full blown yes full staff running running 100 miles an hour. But for right now we have to be very careful how we spend our money. Well, and it's every dollar just completed complete impact complete impact. I mean, yeah, our binders are $50 a piece are scholarships, you know they're $1,000 if they need food if they need clothing for an interview. Our kid in Michigan often meets food because you know they're the grandmother is living on Social Security and you know we send out we send out gift cards to our you to buy food to buy clothing to buy gas. If they have to go to Dallas, I had a recently had a 21 year old and a 23 year old living out of a car. And they were looking for a place here in the city for worth but we had to send them to Dallas so we were able to gas up their vehicle, buy him some food and send him off on their way we had to pay for medical bills for another youth that needed our help. So we're always helping you with whatever way that we can to make sure that they continue thriving. We've had kids youth that have moved to California, because it's safer for them there. So we're able to buy a one way ticket to California. I asked, I asked everyone to look at our YouTube and look at Issa is a video and look at Eli West. We're going to look at some of the youth that we were able to help just carry on after being kicked out of the home, or being bullied at school. We will definitely link to those for everyone. Everyone please subscribe to our newsletter because you'll know everything that's going on our Facebook or Twitter or Instagram. And you'll see how what what's going on in our in what we're doing for our youth and how your money's been spent. And subscribe to our YouTube because I believe we have to have, I don't know what Bertie said a thousand subscribers and so many hours so we can start getting money off of that. But yeah, it's incredible and Amazon Smile has has really has really helped us out as well. People are selecting us as a charity and we get like maybe three to $400 every quarter from Amazon Smile. We're just trying to find different ways to raise money and make money to continue doing what we do. I know in the network of listeners we have and the work that we've been doing a part of TK I know there are a lot of communications professionals in that and I might be listening so again, I would love to see some dollars come into lgbtqsaves.org, lgbtqsaves.org, but also some time or even just some of your experience and expertise if you're able to get all the Sharon and the team. Sort of help them think through some of the ways they could be using some of their communications channels maybe help spread the word get it out to different locations and there's a lot of fundraisers who listen as well. So please just think about that. I really appreciate you being here with us today and this has been heavy conversation. It has been wonderful and I know you carry that weight a lot. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And I invite you Tony when you're ever in Fort Worth to join us at one of our family dinners. We have four family dinners a year where we bring our kids their families or volunteers or board and everybody just come together and break bread and have activities for the kids and it's an incredible event and it's like, you can see your work right in front of you. So, but yeah, and like I said, we have we have a lot of youth that are that were with us when they were 14 and now they're in their 20s mid 20s and paying it forward, still being part of us. That's incredible. Yeah, it's been an incredible journey. So all worth it. Right. Thank you again for everything. Stay safe. I'm hope we're going to be able to help you all out with getting some of the word about LGBTQ saves out a little bit more to some folks around the country here in the US, maybe even internationally. I don't know if any listeners there or not. Like I said, this is coming out this will be national coming out days. Thank you for sharing your story. I really appreciate that. And we do end every podcast with the same question. So I've got to ask you or else I won't be following the process. So what is your go to song when you need a boost and why it gets everybody. Imagine. Imagine by John London. I remember hearing it as a kid. And I didn't understand it until, you know, I got a little older and it really can be that way. If we if we really, you know, come together, especially for youth. I really think that, you know, when I sign off on my emails, I always say, what are you doing to make this world a better place. I'm on this side of the fence. I'm trying to hand out a torch. I'm trying to light torches to create more hope, the light of hope for especially our youth, because our youth are still struggling. And like I said, I attempted suicide in the late 70s. And here we are 2022 kids are still trying to take their lives. So we have to do something for our youth. Bottom line. So yes, I still imagine. What's the phrase you're not the only one. I think there are there are a lot of us. Yes. Yes. Let's do something about it. Let's do it together. And I think you said it earlier to destroy one listening was, you know, one reason. One adult is willing to listen. Yes. An enemy simply who the story you don't know about. So take time to listen. So thank you. Thank you for sharing. I hope everyone also gave us a good listen and listen to your story and really appreciate your time today. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much.