 meeting back into order. We came out of executive session at 7.75 and we have nothing to report. We've got athletes. Yes, okay. Top of the agenda, seven o'clock, public comment. So this is a period, folks. We set aside 15 minutes at every meeting to hear from people who choose to join us on any item that is not on the agenda. So let me ask the folks who are here if they have something they want to speak to that is not on our regular agenda. Because if it's on the agenda, then we'll have you speak to it. Right, yeah. Yeah, we are on the agenda. Okay, thank you. You're on the agenda, okay, great. John, Rissy. Okay, great. Okay, so we will wait for the road commissioner to arrive before we take that item up, but I assume he'll be here any moment. Okay. We have several sets of minutes that we want to approve an executive or in the consent agenda and also the payment of a boot allowance. And Denise, I'm gonna ask you to just provide the details. And Lisa, if you wouldn't mind capturing these details on the boot allowance. The boot allowance is something that we get to the road crew members once a year. It's $200 and we cut them a check out of the accounts payable so that it was taxed enough with health. My question to the board is we've had two very dedicated and reliable temporaries that have worked quite a number of hours. Normally we just give it to the regular employees, but I'm asking if we could also give it to the temporary. So why don't we understand that's what the consent agenda item is then? Well, I was gonna say, why don't we take that off and do it separately? Okay. I move the consent agenda without the boot allowance. I'll second. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay, so we've proven the minutes. I move the boot allowance to an item of $200 for permanent and temporary members of the road crew. And to take it from the AP if it's not taxable? And take it from the accounts payable accounts so that it is not taxable to them. So we're approved, so is there a second? It's actually. Okay, so we are approving 200 per person. And this is their annual, so we're, so this is the annual allowance for the, right, no, no, no. So it's for FY20 to 23 year. Okay, any other questions, comments? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Okay. Roads report. Roads report. You can do more. Roads report with no road commissioner here yet. Okay. Okay, I can talk about the signs. We approve the purchase last meeting of some signs from the area. Heidi Thompson took it on and ordered the signs. She's picked them up. We just need approval to ask Alfred to help with or somebody on the road crew to help with removing the old signs that were related to COVID and posting the new signs. Okay. Are you moving that? Yes. I'll second it. Okay. Any, I think I had a question, but it came and went. We'll have to remember to tell after we did this when it arrived. Right. Okay. Any other comments? Can you state that motion again? I make a motion that we ask the road crew to work with Heidi Thompson to remove the old COVID signs that occurred upon the swim area and replace them with the new signs that were approved and are done. I'm ready to be posted. Denise made the motion. Mark, you second it. And when you say COVID signs. They were signs that were put up about wearing a mask at the swim area. COVID stuff. Yeah. Okay. And did we even at some point have numbers or did we just talk about it and not end up doing that? I don't remember. Okay. The signs came in way under budget. budgeted 150, I think it's less than 100. Yeah. Cool. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. I did send out for a couple of emails. One of them needed to be here tonight, please. Do we need Alfie for the breath emergency right now? Well, we don't know what conditions he's in. Yeah. We don't know. I just scan, in my opinion, we need him for everything else in this list. Except the. No, we need him for everything else. Nope, we need him for that too. Okay. So, because we want him to have the benefit of any information that he's, we have. Okay. So we're going to go to Alfie. Oh, wait a minute. Here, can I go over to that Alfred? We can do this. The digital sign, but it's typically like a speed sign. Do you want to do that without Alfie there? We can. Why don't we do the ARPA one? So the ARPA update is, I think we talked last time about deferring judgment on some of the ARPA requests to put it on morning for count meeting. So we have, we've granted the request in CD fiber. We talked about using ARPA money to buy these speed signs and ARPA money for something we were talking about the other day. I put it on a future agenda item. We have not approved, but Denise and I were, we were working on the agenda. Can't see it right now, but we had this idea of using ARPA funds to fund roads. Road design study hiring in the year. For traffic calming road design. For it. For County Road, for maybe Adam Ants, for Lightning Ridge, for some of our real. So we want to just articulate that as, I think what we've said before, we'll say it out loud in this context again, so that it's in a minutes every time we talk about it. The ARPA money is helping us enormously to address some hot and urgent items that people have been, had so much to say about and that very valid concerns that we haven't had a straight way of dealing with it. But now we do, and using ARPA funds to just make some of these things. Right. Just to address them. So this was an extension of that idea. So I think as I call for a vote, what we're doing is saying we want to reserve, you know, that we're not necessarily saying, oh, we're just going to put a moratorium and any more ARPA expenses more like. If the town has a clear and significant need for instance, purchasing these speed signs that we all agreed was really important and buying enough to spread around town is a significant expense. We didn't have ARPA money before. Right. We purchased those. And same thing with the traffic designer. The last time that we said, let's consider putting whatever the remainder is on the morning. Was that done by motion? We didn't do it. No. That's how we would do it. I don't even know that we need to do anything. Well, that's the problem. We need to have it, when we get to the sign thing, we're going to have to have a motion to use the ARPA funds because when the invoice comes in, we're going to direct these. For the rate of, Well, I hear what Mark's saying. What Mark's saying is, you know, why do we feel like we have to make a motion that we're going to have that come up at town meeting for some of the various other requests? Instead, really what we're doing is twice now articulating our intent to say, that's a really good idea. Right. I mean, I think we have the latitude to spend the money on some of these really important things that we haven't had money for before, like an engineering study to look at the design of the road to end these speed signs. The rest of the money is just going to sit there. I understand B, but it only sits there. So the question, what you're saying is, it's bored understanding, shared understanding. Right, that we, and you know, we may have other needs that town has, which is going to deplete some of that ARPA money, but what we could closer to doing the warning for town meetings, we'll see what's left and you know, maybe put those items that have come in. I think there's like five or six. So the, really it's not huge amounts and they're external requests. Right, they're external requests. So we put, we warned this as an action item because last time we felt like we wanted to take a vote, but I think Mark's, I don't want to put words in your mouth is why do we need, why do we feel like we need to take a vote on waiting to town meeting to take a vote? Unless Rick is ready. No, no, no, that's different. That's a separately warned item. Okay, right. Yeah, I don't think I agree. So all right, so we're just going to say, yeah, we talked about it twice. We like the idea of external requests. We'll take them to town meeting for ARPA funds. Right, just like we do the other appropriations. So we're not doing an action item on the ARPA public input process and we have completed our discussion on that topic. And at some point soon, I'll put together a list to put into the record of what we in the present have received so far and how much that almost did. Yeah, I think we've seen at least a list of them before. Good, how are you? Now we're going back to the road report. Alfred, we did, we covered Curtis Ponds Swim area and we approved the road crew removing the old and installing the new signage. We did that before you got here. Yeah, and you remember Clayton Thompson was working on that, so she's picked up the signs. So you don't have to. Yeah, I see that they were ordered because they called the shop saying they were ready and I said, they're not for me, they're a different department. No, they're free. Well, they're for the road crew to install. So I wanted the board to approve the road crew installing them. So I let Heidi know to catch up with you for the signs because she can help you with where to place them. And it would be. Yeah, that's that's what I'll need to see. Yeah, I just wanted the board to approve it first. So that's not, we just, that's not. So they're just changing the existing signs? Yeah, taking out the COVID signs. Okay. And she knows where they are. And we need to do, we should probably put them in. Yeah. So, yeah. All right. So she's not going to hold them in with that. Yeah, okay. Okay, so we have a number of action items related to road, road issues. Folks are here on the receive right-of-way application. And the BRUF right-of-way. And the, and BRUF? No, three. No, you guys are just here for- I was not here. Yeah. No, but those are the two items. Yeah, well, we have, yeah, those are the two right-of-way. Why don't we do, well, let's list it first. Yeah, let's see, the RISC first, that's, we didn't have you here to talk about last time, but in the, but we did realize we have a number of, we without you here, we had a number of questions about how that right-of-way application permit request relates to the work going on on the culverts. The South Storm Fund. And the culverts or the bridge out there. So we need to be here with you. Yeah, so this right-of-way will not affect that stormwater project at all because they're boring, they're boring underneath the road. So- Who they is boring underneath the road. The RISC project is boring underneath the road. It's not a trend. So if you know excavation in the right-of-way, they're just gonna be pulling the pipe underground. Everybody's aware that there's water lines, there's a culvert, there's a town culvert there, all of that, the water line that they're gonna pull in will be all underneath that, way below that. So this is for the septic to the building, the little red building, the old mill building? The old mill. So is this to increase the septic consumption ability? It's to provide a septic for that. So currently there's no septic. There's just a holding tank there now. And they want to- So this is to replace the old tank. Well, it was to be a old tank, that's right. It's right, so there's a septic tank there now. They're gonna add a pump station. Then that pump station will pump water underneath the back street, as well as Moscow Woods to another leach field to the receipt property, which used to be the balling property. They had purchased that and that's suitable for a leach field. So they've got a design leach field going in there. So there is an existing septic. So that's my question. Is that mean they're gonna be able to increase the capacity for future use at the mill building? That I don't know for sure about. That really has nothing to do with what they're asking for, as far as the right of a permit. Right. That would be a building permit, perhaps, or that's- Or the design permit. That is a septic design permit question that would be dealt with through the septic engineers at the state. Right. I said, leach field would be designed for a certain volume. Yeah, that's not a, that's all we have to, I think, fortunately- Just give them permission not to have a pipe under your road. Right. So what they can do, so for purposes of the permit, and then we have people in the audience. Yeah, well, yeah, we'll let them add to this. Would the conditions be worth it? Like I said, it's really not gonna affect the road. They're doing, they're open ditches will be outside of the right way. So it's digging the road because of the structure, right? So they- Yeah, maybe so they don't get- Right, they're not gonna dig in their bore. Bore, yes, I mean, but they have a bore. Ensure that the board does not interfere with- Existing. Existing construction. I mean, you could, you could say, to make sure that all areas that serve, they start to put back to original condition, which is, you know, seeded mulch, able to grow vegetation back again. Okay. Did we also have, I feel like that was one of the questions, whether it's affected or does affect the stormwater project. Do we also have questions? Was it the bridge project? Do we wonder about that? I feel like there was another question we had. Well, the bridge, again, that's far enough away from the bridge. It's sort of going right between both projects. So the stormwater is up near the post office. The bridge is, the bridge is in this line that they're proposing to go, is right between them. It wasn't that, it wasn't the bridge. It was the clay boils project further up the road. That's what we were wondering. Oh, clay boils, that's right, that's right. There's no air in here. Okay, so this is not to replace the septic line, it's to put in- It's to install a new- Install a septic new field. Force main, no, it's not even the field. Oh, the field comes later. I see. The field doesn't have anything to do with us. The field is not in the right line. It's just that they've got to get from point A to point B under your road. Okay, can you just say it again, to install? To install a new force main for septic system. That's it for my notes, at least, from the questions that we had last time. The only thing I, the other thing I can think of is we want to include both roads, both Backstreet and Moscow roads. I'm confused, how is this, Backstreet's on the other side of the road. I'm sorry, sorry, not Backstreet, Mill Street. Mill Street, because the sector, the tank, and the field is going to be sort of right beside- What, forgive my total ignorance. No, no, I gave the wrong name. I gave the wrong name, it's Mill Street. What is it? It's a little, a little tiny road, just past the bridge. Yeah. It's on the right. We're just going to our lanes. We live down there. So what do we want to say about that? I just, I think the permit is asking for Moscow woods. I just, we want to add- And mills. Just so that both roads- So yeah, so the project description is Mill Road and- Mill Road and Moscow woods. Okay, any other questions or comments on this one before I ask the folks from the audience who want to join us? I don't think it's relevant, but I'm assuming just to answer your question. Of course they want to increase. They want to do something to do with it, and I hope they do something great. Well, that's their questions that I have. Yeah, but I, it's outside of our jurisdiction at this point, but sure. You want to introduce yourselves and either ask questions or make comments? Sure. I'm the University on John's wife. Oh. And I don't feel like I have a project other than, you know, everything sounds right. Okay. Yeah. Great. I mean, we would really love it to happen. Well, we're, we're here. And then, and then who's with you? This is my mom. I'm John's mother, and I'm taking on John as a diverted modern minimalist, always has been, and he wants to do the right thing for the town. Great. Thank you very much. Thanks for being here. Thank you. On board, anything else for Alfred on this topic? Is there a motion to approve with the conditions articulated? Any other discussion? All in favor, please say aye. Aye. Okay. All right, Alfred. Thank you. Now let's move on to the rough emergency right of way that we did. Yeah, not this past, not yesterday we can, but the weekend right before our last meeting. Yeah. I think they actually, they actually ended up doing the work on Tuesday. Yeah. We had to process the emergency though over the weekend. Right, right. Yes. And you were there, I went there that Sunday morning and met with them, told them my wish list as far as what they needed to do to best serve the town's road. Did they open? They did, I drove by it today and they, So what were your, what were your conditions? I will put them down this. Well, it was that I wanted them to come straight down from the spring, come straight down to their little outbuilding across from their house and then cross the road. So it's more of a straight shot across the road instead of. Okay, so what would the permit say? Do we have to say? Just that they would, they're going to follow the side of the road and then the side of the road. Does it matter which side? No. What do you mean? No, it has to matter which side. Is it east, west, north, south? I guess it would be the west side of the road then and then cross, cross the road. Okay, so the west side of that road. Of that road. To a point across from, across from their little outbuilding into the foundation of their main house. To a point across from the outbuilding. Across from the outbuilding into the corner of the main house. What's this, a break? Yes. I think what, not real clear about what happened but one spring was not producing so they needed to put another one and they thought that the line was leaking and that's why they were losing water. So they wanted to replace that line. Basically they didn't have the water. So I'm not sure if that, if that rends the whole problem or not. I don't know, but I haven't talked to them since but I know they've been in the water since. Thank you. Nice to meet you all. Yes. Any other questions? So, no, I mean I told them to replace the gravel, put a layer of good gravel on the top surface when they were done and they have done that also. I figured they were free of water. Okay, so Denise is capturing the conditions that Alfred out, set out at the time in this emergency situation. Are there any other comments that people want to make before we go to them? Is there a motion to approve the BRUF emergency right away for mail? That's right. All in favor, please say aye. Aye. By the way, just from my education, when there's an emergency like this, what's happened legally? Alfie has the power to sort of authorize emergency work. The board had effectively had a meeting. We are allowed to have emergency. And it was an emergency meeting via email, right? No, well, no. Well, I think that going forward, I think we have to have something, some kind of a policy or something on this document when there is an emergency, authorizing the local commissioner or whoever. That's right, take action. Take action and it's an emergency so it doesn't have water or an emergency if somebody's stepping in and working. Yeah. It's not only you need to ratify it. Right. It's basically something in place for emergency. We are allowed to have emergency meetings, but calling an emergency meeting. There's something like this. Yeah, I mean, it was a little bit of a... Even I talked to the warden on the phone. You talked to people on the phone, but that's not... But yeah, is this something we need advice of council on? No. We just know what we need to do. I think we just need to have a statement somewhere. Okay, so... And we can probably have some help looking forward to this. Yeah. Okay. Here we go. Can we vote? Yes, we did. Okay. Rick, thank you for shepherding. Let's... Does somebody have the orders? Do you have some re-required? And don't forget there's a lot of them assigned. And you guys, if you need me assigned, don't forget to... I can do it too. Okay, so grooved. Rick, I'm just moving on to the next thing in the list. Group payment as an alternative to speed bumps. So we talked with this last time and you were going to present a formal proposal or articulate something that we could actually approve because we hadn't warned it last, in the last meeting. I haven't had time, I was on vacation, so I'm going to try to put a knot together on that. Okay, do you want to carry it to the 12th? Yeah, can we do that? Yep. Let's put it in the... Okay. So nine to 12? So basically what this is just for folks who are interested is a few weeks ago, we approved speed bumps under formal action here, but then Rick and Alfred kind of went, did a little more research and realized that there might be a better alternative. So they're bringing that back for us on the 12th. We can talk to you. I mean, basically what was the cost of that? 350 or 450 dollars a day to have a grooving machine. So we can do growth, groove, pavement pattern as opposed to a speed bump. Can the road crew do this? Yeah, I just want to make sure, because it serves an alternative to the speed bump that we've actually clearly documented that... We were right, right. We authorized the purchase and voted on it. Right, and now we're basically going to be rescinding that. So I think if people are following the minutes, they need to understand that we came up with, yes, we did approve the speed bumps, but we came up with this alternative idea based on feedback from the road commissioner and research. And research, that this would be a better option, so we can just have that one minutes and people question it. Well, right, but we should rescind the other. When we get around to having a formal proposal to approve, then we should rescind the other one. We shouldn't rescind the other one until we know that this one is approved. Exactly. What do you even want? Do we need to even rescind the other one? Yeah, because... We're going to put sand, if, well, reward. Well, if we just... I mean, that's not... We're not doing both. Yeah, we're not going to do both, and I think we need to have a clear record. Once we say we're going to do something, people are counting on us to do it, until we say we're not. Right, that's why I wanted the minutes to show tonight that this is why that isn't happening just yet, because we're going to do this other. That's why it would be important to get it done on the 12th. Right, yeah, because we'll probably start having people wonder. People may be wondering now, why it's not something being done. Yeah, so you've got why it's not. Yeah, are we going to speak first? Yeah, speak cards. Rick and Alfred, speak cards. Let's talk about that. Here's, I put together a new proposal, and I included the old one that I forgot. I brought my own one, but... You don't need it, it's all here. In that, I've got all three. Okay. Also, there are copies of this in the traffic, in the Google Cloud too. For tonight, there are? Yeah, I put it in the room, still a good Excel spreadsheet, all the other. I didn't see it in the Google folder. I put it in the selected agenda file in traffic. Oh, that's why. Oh, I'm sorry. What this is, you told me to look at a bigger picture. That is number three, which is on the back. Number one or two was what we saw last week. Number three, I thought, what I did was look at the seven. Two of them would be freestanding. If you look down, kind of on the bottom left, I actually put the locations that I had in mind. You know, for placing it. We have five of the more permanent whole types with anchors. And then we would have two on the mobile basics. The one on Lightning Ridge would that be? Multiple, how many would you have? It says multiple base locations. That's why we've got extra bases, because we could move it up and down Lightning Ridge. So it's not fixed? It is, but it isn't. It's a fixed whole design. We have two that are on a round. It's a big steel mobile base. Yeah, that's right. Well, it's kind of, yeah, they're little wheels, but it sits on the ground. This would be mounted into a permanent base. But what we would do is probably put two or three bases. Oh, I see, different locations. Yeah, and then we would move it periodically from site to site. And not very often, but it just, we've got a couple of places on Lightning Ridge that are speed problems. And it's primarily eastbound, because it's the downhill run. I wondered, do you have an extra copy? I wonder if anybody in the audience would like a copy. Yeah, I can do it. You hear it. Here, I'll leave it for you. It was there. Help me out. Just a second here. Okay. Lightning Ridge, you're proposing a couple of different base locations with a permanent pole. No, with a movable pole. Yeah, movable pole. Basically unscrew the base. Yeah, yeah. And that's eastbound. That's downhill towards the school. I don't do it. Towards the school. That's how I knew otherwise. I'd be like. Okay, West County. You met? You meet him? West County. West County. As soon as you leave Maple Corner, just past genies between like we're dirt. That's west. That's west. Okay. I'm sorry. I think in County Road. Which direction is this found? Is it coming in? It's coming from the west. Toward. The west. It's coming in toward. Okay. Right. And then County Road. Is westbound, which is away from. Right. That would be where we have the 25 mile an hour zone. Okay. Coming toward Maple Corner. And then West County Road is dirt. Yeah, I know that. And the groove pavement would be fine here. This sign would be placed. The grooving. We will probably put it after we really locate the site. And then what would be, wait a minute. So it would be the groove. It will be after. It'll be after the sign. Right. But well before the top of it, before it drops down into Maple Corner. Before, well before the Patterson's. Yeah. And then what I propose on this too, is that we actually replace. There's, we go and we do one at each end. Of east house. We're playing. We can use the existing sign there somewhere else. But the reason I say it suggests we do it. Is that we can use the traffic. County to pass me on these. To give us an idea what the vehicles are doing. Is the one on roof. One on that replaces the existing sign. And is it, it's on one base. And it's there. Do you know how many years it's been in that past? Well, no. Well, no, this, we can leave that. That's a major. That's it. We've got a real speed issue. So this is. Right. Huge concrete base. If you can just connect those, right? I mean, that basically. Fine. What I was thinking about. Was swapping that side out. And putting, you know, basically putting. The ones that are these, these cows. Only because these can count. These will record traffic speed. In other words, we can use them. We're buying ones that will fit. In the base. And we can use that. Count. We already have the one. The one that's on the county road right now. That one tracks. Yes. Okay. No. How many cars are speeding? All of that. They do also. Is it turned on? One of them is working. One of them is not. One of them is being worked on as we speak. The motherboard. So. It's being worked on. No. They're here. Here in the half. But it's still under warranty. So it's not going to cost us anything. It's just downtime. The company. So. What's your thought about. I mean, it sounds like maybe we don't need one. Well, we don't. We don't. There are other speed locations in town. Yeah. I think we can easily. I've been playing on using those anyway. You know, the idea is if we can. We can. We can use those. Yeah. People complain about speeding up our children. Yeah, we can probably. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. The more of the. I think it comes down to. How many of these can you afford. And we can figure out. Where to locate them. Right. Right now we have an opportunity because of the. To really be able to. Right. We just sort of figure out how many to buy. Where to go later. We can still get the same amount. But maybe. The opportunity to put a couple. So you want instead of five fixed. Do you want four fixed in three portables. No, I think. Well, we got to start now. The advantage of fixed poles. Is that I mean. They're. They're a lot more stable. And you don't have to have a flat piece of ground. I mean, if you look. I saw. They look. So now we can still move the fixed. They unscrew from their bases. Right. But you have to put a base in for it. It's all the bases. The ability to be able to move these around. More. Than you see. You've got two that in this. There are these five sides. We've got two that are on noble basis. And by seven, five of them. Well, and in the future. When you talk about a base, you're talking about a long term stability, stable, you know, foundation to. To put. Something that's movable into. And then. Doesn't it mean in the future, we could. When we feel like we are ready to move it. We can. Put in more bases. I mean, they're in the information. We have our ability. I'm just wondering why we have the ARPA funds available. Does it make sense to get a couple more. Bases that are movable. We are. Oh, you mean a couple more. Even more than. Yeah, we can use the basis so that you can. If you want to add. How much are the bases? I would tell you it's actually in there. Yeah. Square base. It's not that much. Long pole with square base. 950. 990. I mean, I know how these are set up, but you should be able to just use the same post and just buy. It's up. This sign itself. Why don't we? So. Something just approved. A certain dollar amount. We're hearing what we want to do. That's what I think. We approve a $60,000 budget to be. It's not 40. 49 49. I think that 55. So I would make a motion. That we. Authorize. The use of ARPA funds not to exceed $55,000. For the purchase of. These removable. Radar speech signs. And. Bases. The. Details of how many. To the discretion of the road provisionary work. He. Do you want to. Is there a second? Is there a second motion. Not. Okay. Seconded. So I'm in. Yeah, I mean, I'm good. What do you think we can, I mean, I say we get the five with permanent basis. And then we can buy. We're getting two units. With mobile basis, but let's get. Two basic. Yeah, you can get some extra. That way. I mean, I think that's. It's not that expensive. Yeah, I'm going to need. When you get an invoice, I need it. Separately because it's going to be ARPA funds. Right. So I've never. Don't put that invoice on. I don't know. Right. So there's a motion. And it's been seconded to authorize up to $55,000. For. Purchase of. Radar speed signs. At the discretion of. From the ARPA funds. I couldn't get it. Is there. Is there all in favor, please say aye. You guys can figure out all that. We are. Yeah, we are so excited that we want you guys to be able to get started right now. You said $55,000. $55,000 from the ARPA funds. Yep. Okay, so yay. Thank you. Okay. So this we're doing on the 12th. I said that. And then this will we've just finished and you guys are just going to off you go. Okay. We're just going to get started. Biking signs proposal, Rick. I don't know if this one made. Okay. So this will be the 12th. So this. We're pushing this off to the 12th. This is to. Build on that idea. I think I still need to send you guys the photos I got. Of putting bike signs. You know. Biking friendly signage here and there in town. Okay. We're just looking for an update on that one. Yeah. Oh, is it close now? Right. Last week. It was supposed to be closed last weekend. Because last week there was a holiday. Battle of anything. Oh, right. So the big safe company lost a day. So I wasn't clear to date. Until Thursday. And it didn't make sense for me to do it for one day. So I found another project to work on. During that time. And today. We have made an awful mess of Moscow. Suggesting. You know any suggestions. Sure. It hasn't been realized that the road was closed. Like a Tom was going to close last week. He didn't believe me that it might be closed today. So he turned up by, you know, the free farm. Paris. Yeah. And then got to Jack Hill. Where the sign says. Is another way. Is we put another sign at the bottom of the hill. So people don't really want to go Jack Hill. They can go weekend because that's what he would have gone. Jack Hill. Yeah. Yeah. I generally want to close the road. It's at the intersection. The nearest intersection. So that's where we put it. But put the close sign at Jack Hill intersection. It's the closest intersection to our. But I've got other signs. It probably won't be as. Official looking as the one that. That we use, but. You know, this is a serious question. I suppose it would have been nice if I didn't not bother turning into. Moscow Woods. Of course, now I know. Yeah. But I mean, if there had been. If there had been a sign right at the entrance. It's where most. What's goes across the bridge off of route 14. Just saying. Moscow was closed at. 100 yards ahead. Right. But then, yeah. It's a lot of. Actually, you know, it's a lot of. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. I'll pull some more signs up. Yeah. I think you probably should. Yeah. How long is it? It's hard to say. But I'm thinking probably off and on for a month. Okay. Yeah. So things for you to know is that. It's not. I'm going to try to maintain open. For the weekends. Right. I'll have to manage how much we. How much we dig over. I mean, I did a 50 foot section today. And almost had it. So it was passable again. And it was just starting. This crew that I have right now has never done this particular work before. So, you know, after today. They're going to know what they're doing. Can you give me just like the one minute version? What is this work? This work is we're digging out playboils. So we're digging right. So we're digging three foot of the road out. Three foot down digging it right out. And it goes away. Then we put under drain, which is stone and pipe. Yeah. We put road fabric. And then we put brand new ground. So it's two foot of dense grade. What they call dense grade is three inch minus. And then one foot of top coat. And we're doing this because what's there now is clay. Clay. Clay and water. They fight. So that's why you get this. In the road. And when when frost comes and goes, you get a huge mobile. Because it heaves up because it heaves up. Water under the water. So it's proven. It's proven effective. What do you see that big? Culver coming out of the side of the road. On Moscow Woods Road. That has to be a clay well that they fixed some years ago. And now it is a lot. Was that a big clay well at the at loose where he goes from paved to dirt on Marshall Road. That was dug way down. Yeah. Right. So if you look at it, you could have told me really simply this way. You could have told me. You could have told me. You could have told me really simply this spring. Because you could see we did 100 feet from the black top. We did this whole rebuild. And then from that from that point on, that's where that clay boil was. So what we should have done probably if we had the resources is brought that up 200 feet instead of 100 feet. So you can see it in these areas where we fixed it and where it's where it's not. So I try to mark them but we can only do so much. The grants only pay so much and I put in for 500 feet a share and it happens to be on Moscow. Got it. Okay. Thank you, Alfred. So we have one more item that I'm going to turn to Denise in a second. Before we do that, I want to just make sure that we before you leave us that we are calling your attention to our meeting on the 12th, Alfred. Yeah, I see it. So far, I mean, and as you know, we we always reserve the right to move things if other, you know, if pride other things become a big, big priority. But what we have on that night, there's several things that relate to you. One is just having a general meeting with the road crew members that maybe something we let you know we can't do if this comes up but we do want a chance at some point to do that. We want to follow up on the road crews review of the road and bridge standards. We gave you a document that you're going to have them sign that you've been through that, that you've talked about it, that they have questions that basically they're trained and re-introduced and refreshed on the Cal standards. You picked that stuff up at the office the other day, right? I did. Yeah. Just want to make sure this is all on your radar. There's a curb cut application. Have you seen that one? The CKC curb cut application? Okay. So let me forward that to you. Okay. It's on the road. Yeah. I've seen that. That's all ready to go. I'm fine with that. We have it formally agendaed next meeting. So, yeah. So we'll ask you the usual line of sight. Does it meet the standards? I think that's it for you. Just want to put that, make sure it's on your radar. And then we've added two new things. Group payment and biking signs. Yes. Another big road agenda. Group payment, we just got to figure out you know, exact location. Because once you group it, it's there. Yeah, you guys will work that out. Okay. So Denise, just a couple, yeah. We have to kind of, or we do a sign that we would not like this. I'm going to send you what I got from a townsperson taking pictures in another town of road signs that say the bikers can use the whole lane. So, and I've seen those in other places. So I think one thing I'm interested in is whether, I don't need an answer now, whether those are, you know, somehow illegal or whether those are absolutely fine signs. Or I don't need an answer now. After you talked about them last night, I didn't see some. Yeah, because I didn't really pay attention to them. Right, they're out there. They're all over the place. Okay, so you want to public work directly? Just to make you aware, keeping the loop, we re-advertise for the position, put an update for applicants to September 1st and we'll start interviewing as we get applications. So just keep your details along. Yeah. Okay, anything else for us? We'll fix them. Okay, Alfred, thank you so much. Okay, thank you. Good to see you. We already have one more. I hope we're very welcome. So we, we did the Tarpa EMSD, yep. I just recognize and thank you. Thank you very much. No worries. And if Larry Brown emphasized like we found out when we were advertising for paying positions and for volunteers, the market is really bad. It's really bad. They are actually having people who were once on the fire department now coming back to serve again. They're really going to be looking to recruit women and younger folks we did learn that for positions, volunteer fire fighters. Yeah. They did, you can't drive a fire truck until you're 21. Which is something they found out. You can drive like a pickup truck or the ambulance can drive a fire truck until you're 21. So that was interesting. We looked at the budget, their budget ended, okay, I think they were a little bit over, but not bad. And what they found out was what I put in the notes. I saw that. About looking to provide some kind of an incentive for people, and I asked Sandy for instance how many people in Calis serve on fire department or the EMT squad. He said there's like three, two or three. And they, you know, he pays some of their volunteer fire ambulance people and you have been scheduled for so many so many hours, you have to attend in training, you have to attend in meetings. They have specific criteria if you're a volunteer to get this stipend. But he just wanted to put it out there and I've heard this talk about that maybe the legislature would look into fighting some kind of an exemption or not exemption, but I don't know if it's right, well it is not stipend. Like we do the veterans. It's not, but they're not for, the veterans aren't fully exempt. Property tax exemption up to a certain amount like we do for the veterans. Some kind of reduced property taxes. Right now Calis gives $40,000 off of your value that your taxes are assessed on. So I don't know if they're looking for something like that or, you know, $40,000 towards your property tax payment. So anyway, they just, that's a real good idea itself. There's a number of people in there who might be right who are volunteers. So if there's anything we could do that kind of covers that gamut, you know, not if you're following as anything. So let's wish he could on the veterans side of the equation as well. The veterans, the state has a certain amount that they allow. Right. And then Calis goes above beyond. Right, so anyways it's just to put that out that we don't need to figure it out tonight. So I'm going to put that on everybody's radar. Do we want, well let me ask a sense of the board though. Do we want to carry this as a future agenda item that we actually should circle back to? We should actually carry it. I think we actually should carry it most indefinitely. It's one of these things. What we'll want to do is not just giving a benefit I think at every opportunity that we've got. You can tell me that we're talking to the public and we should solicit and encourage people. I think we should encourage our representatives and the legislature to see if they could do anything. Yeah, I would encourage I think that we should encourage them. Do we want to ask, we could do I mean carrying it carrying it, Rick I've heard you and I'm going to just with a sense of humor push back that carrying it permanently may not be what we want to do. Well I mean that means we never do anything. I think the only thing I can say is I don't know if I would I would just put it as I put it as a future agenda item so it keeps on our radar. But do we want to, one thing we could do is to inform this for a future you know in the next few weeks discussion is actually invite Woodbury and East Montpelier to give us a proposal. Do we, we could ask them to we could invite a proposal because between now and we could even put it on the warning at town meeting. If we had a proposal that we were processing pretty quickly. We just need also for us to get the word out. So for instance I suggested and Woodbury followed your fire department and jumped on this was like we're having Calis's Fall Foolage Festival. Is the Fall Foolage Festival Friday and Saturday or Saturday? Friday and Saturday is something. So for instance when they do there's going to be an event in East Calis I said bring your shiny red trucks to the rec field in East Calis right now for the kiddos. Do you know yet who's the people who are the people who know what the calendar for Fall Foolage Festival is? That's something that we're working on with Jamie. It's kind of a okay great. So I'm going to, I'm going to share, it's off the track. Before you go even further it's supposed to actually come with a proposal. We actually want to sit down and look down specifically around this idea with like the East Montpelier slide board and us. It's actually just brainstorm. What about what about working on this project? That's fine. I mean where my head was is if we invite the Woodbury Fire Department and the East Montpelier Fire Department to bring a proposal to us they're doing the work Denise rather than you guys starting. Well I would suggest we invite them to come and talk to us about this idea because if we ask them to come with a proposal they're not going to have any idea what we want to talk about. I would just invite them to have a discussion. Okay so why don't we let's put them on the agenda this could be 926. That's good. Alright so September 26th we will invite and then after we see what they propose then we can decide a discussion and we can figure out who's got what on their plate at that point. Right and I think that would go a long way to showing support. Alright so that meeting will be the 26th will just be 20 minutes of discussion. Yeah let's just have a discussion and they may be able to show up. Well it's about how to support them. I think they'll appreciate this. Particularly around the person. Yeah that's the subject. Yeah that's the subject but I like the concreteness of this idea. Alright so I'll be in touch rather than be in all of like a white board. So I'll let Chance and Larry I'll float it out there tonight. Right I mean I guess I'm going to just say I like the I mean an incentive to property taxes can take any number of shapes and forms and numbers or approaches but it has a concreteness that moves us out like I said out of white board. Right and it does not like that and it's not like it doesn't deal with anybody. Yeah but neither does a veteran's one I mean okay sure that could be like a and is there does anybody have any thoughts? Well I think the fire department might have some ideas. Okay. Okay let's anything else we want to say about the e-spawn player? No. The update. Okay Mark any other questions? No. Thank you again both of you for going. Okay just update on personnel but you've already said we posted. Right and we've posted the treasure of business manager position both positions have been posted or will be time's our guess. Is that remotely the cities and towns that you mentioned online? I'll put them on front porch form I'll put them on again. The minutes said 7 days but I don't remember talking about 7 days and we haven't posted in 7 days but can we? Yes. And will you? Yes. Okay. Thank you. And that's about it. We have received one application for the treasure of business manager position that I sent around here. The other one training to process tax payments that is so that as the tax payments start coming in they start to come in before the bills are even mailed and it's a pretty straight forward process the way that it was explained to me by McMurray and Barbara has offered thank you nice to see you. And Barbara has just offered to as the checks come in there's like a checklist you have to go through to make sure they're dated the written amount means the other dollar amounts that they're signed if they don't have a personal number on it we have to look up the personal number that's why that was really important and I didn't realize how important it was but if it doesn't have the personal number on it then we've got to look it up because you've got to know what payment goes to which parcel so people have if people have five parcels actually it's better if they would send in five checks instead of you trying to instead of us trying to figure out how to get that how to allocate the payment especially if it ends up not being enough right or too much so the idea would be for Barbara and I to once that process is done I don't know how many steps it is that she and I would learn from Nemrich how to enter the tax payments into the Nemrich system and she was wonderful about volunteering to do some of this other work so it doesn't really fall under her you just mentioned volunteering I'm assuming though that we're actually paying her right and was she paying her under her or is she going to track the time separately for us to we could ask her so you track it separately but it might be hard because as the mail is coming in phone calls people coming in with their check might be really hard to track on that but we could easily probably track what we're doing to make sure you were on alright so this is you're not looking for any I just know that this is really I think that one of the takeaways is another little task that needs to be done that is repetitive but also we are it's painful and it happens because of the good good intentions is not the right word but because you and Barbara because people are rolling up their sleeves and figuring out ways to get it done right that's basically the point is just to get this done we are getting the work done even though we don't have we don't have full time treasure and it's painful and taking and I'm learning a lot which is helpful to be able to help share a report right so the repetitive part is you get a thing you compare the numbers you look at the parcel you make sure the math works after the check number in amount into the numeric system it matches up with the parcel number that's hopefully on the check right so in an environment we can almost hire a temp to help with that and then of course in the deposits that the numeric will do and I will take it away yep thank you thank you okay Kurtis-Pondant update my okay we're going to explain this right so Mark you want to explain to the camera I'm recusing myself as a member of the select board no matter what's having to do with Kurtis-Pondant because I have a camera on Kurtis-Pondant and you are the I am the chair one of the people working in the working group of the Kurtis-Pond association working on strengthening repair into Kurtis-Pondant we have a memorandum of understanding between town Kurtis-Pond association to move this project forward we recently deposited we wanted we the Kurtis-Pond association desired to raise $100,000 this summer towards the cost of the dam particularly the soft cost that would allow us to get the project underway I'm happy to say we have raised $105,000 so we deposited did you have a party or pass a hat with the town who took the town which allowed the town to enter into a contract with the engineer Du Bois came to refine and complete the engineering as necessary to complete the permit application which the town filed so a couple of weeks ago now when we did a check we gave the check for $1,000 and that was picked up by members of the association hand delivered to Waterbury correct and now here we are this is a minor item as you know we have also applied for federal funding from the only federal agency which to our knowledge yet gives funds for this kind of thing it's the US Department of Agriculture NRCS National Resource is it USDA? yeah it's USDA and it's they're very enthusiastic as we've all discussed they're very enthusiastic they've not submitted a letter of interest the town has submitted with us various documents to them this is just one more document that they gave us this is not going to move quickly the first thing they have to do is a feasibility study it will probably take them a year to do the feasibility study and they is NRCS they have retained a consultant they're enthusiastic this is just basically they asked that this is a sponsor form and I just filled it out by hand because it was a PDF and I don't have the software to do fillable PDFs and I signed it out in Denise's name they know to contact John, Denise and for the CPA but they just someone had to fill this out and that's the source of this and as we talked about this doesn't hold us to anything in time I mean this becomes when the other actually hits the road is three years from now or whenever when they decide that yes they want to give us the money and we decide well okay we really want to take it if we really get to that point then we have to make sure that we can really use binding agreements but at this point it's not this is the feasibility study one of the things that I noticed in the Q&A the FAQs that I wanted I highlighted and I wanted I know this is something that people is on people's minds and I want to make sure I understood it well but if I did understand it then it's all pertinent but this is relevant to one of the concerns about the long-term costs I want item 3C the sponsor must make arrangements to cover the cost of O and M operation agreements and and the response that I'm assuming Mark you developed the responses for that actually Mark did so the association did the town of Calis will cover the cost of operation maintenance through a special assessment district and annual town operating budget and I want to test my understanding the special assessment district is something that we've heard about on zoom I remember that so sometime in the past two years I believe where the Curtis pond association had actually for the dam the dam team had modeled out different approaches to paying this and the idea of a special assessment district is one that would if formally adopted but you're keeping you're keeping alive the recognition that there are properties that more disproportionately benefit from a project like this and the idea that the ongoing maintenance might be more heavily borne by certain properties and by others am I understanding this correct absolutely correct an assessment that thing that Mark did took that into account that's not saying it first of all we may not if we can raise enough money either through grants or our own we're not going to need an assessment district if we want to use an assessment district we can whether it's too soon to know is the assessment district going to be a federal grant is it going to be to pay for the full balance we just don't but once we know let's say there's an assessment district for a certain amount of money to cover it it is our opinion the CPA's opinion now that there will the Curtis pond association there will be a burden sharing arrangement whereby people around the pond are recognized to have a benefit that is a special benefit and then people perhaps near the pond have a somewhat lower benefit and that people in the town in general have a yet lower benefit and that has to be worked out I think that that I think that's keep saying saying that and keeping that concept alive is buys a lot of good faith around this project the Curtis pond association believes that they want to step up to make this happen and that's why we have been able in the space of 3 months to raise 105,000 households many in small donations well in the special assessment district years ago we were looking at this wasn't something that the association or suppose at the time were willing to consider well right now there wasn't an association right well so this we've come a long way we've come a long way yeah now that's you so I think that where we need what we need to do is have a sharing of responsibility that appears fair to everybody and we'll just have them work that out right so thank you thank you for that thinking thank you to the association are there other points you want to make or folks on the board have other questions I just want to think we're going to be doing we're actually going to be doing that piece of melody study and then following that well actually what's happening is no there are two separate processes one is our own we're moving ahead with a state permit that permit we will get it it may take us 6 months to get it it will have a lifetime of 2 years and can easily be renewed for another 3 years so that's done the federal grant process is just out there moving glacially on its own I guess my feeling is it's kind of a backup thing you know does it happen doesn't it happen next year we'll try again to see if we can get congressional directionally directed spending we'll look to see whether the inflation reduction act or any of these other federal acts has money but at the moment I think we're just moving ahead with our own local process when is the actual I mean typically in the planning process I mean you start with feasibility that feasibility study is a federal process usually in any engineering process that's when you start with any like state funds generally you know I know I do this all the time I don't do this for dams but it sure is very different so you go through the feasibility options right then you pick a preferred option and then from that point you go for your engineering because you know I mean then that usually the funding is tied you can't go without formal without a feasibility study feasibility study is a watershed feasibility study not a dam feasibility study and the brand king is the engineer they usually pick to do their work but is there a risk that we will somehow get a kind of different path if we take federal money that always can happen great thank you is there a motion from the board to approve the form WS-4 for the watershed program application any other discussion comments from Mark and we'll authorize the needs to sign I'll favor please say aye aye okay thank you Mr. Mahaly okay one that was stating on that right because you didn't vote no you're not restating you're recused yeah that's yeah he's just accuses not a thing at all that's me clear for the minutes no no you're not what you said that you're not stating because you're fully recused okay okay absolutely yeah thank you okay so I'm just gonna we're now on to round robin this is where we can like bring in any things we haven't talked about that we want to give folks updates on or add to a future agenda rick anything on your mind now moving forward the size of the site you know you know we're gonna have that on a future agenda and we'll do yeah we're gonna particularly look at you know a couple locations east calz village and then the stay group certainly yeah I think there are a couple of intersection areas that we might want to look at these but you know one of them being the the blister route to make the corner where we have these wide intersections quite possibly by adamant to adamant is a so we should can we capture this list that we're making okay we mentioned adamant number ten prime intersection and we want the blister road to make the corner to name a few I think we we say other other wide intersections we want to look at team these up with stop sign well not just stop sign this is the conversation for another time that's like what are you know like you've talked about what Danville did like how do we bring that the project is really impressive yeah we can we can actually get consults that's the idea that's the idea of using the ARPA funds we kind of have to do that to access well if we use ARPA funds for that to access state funds or federal funds we actually need the feasibility studies to access it so that would be a good that would be leveraging the ARPA money so that we don't need we really want to preserve the ARPA money right I don't want to just buy stuff so anything anything else that you want to mention Denise no we've been up with stuff we thought the parcel mapping contract Giana found one that was signed but in checking with PVR, Christine somebody who lost me here I remember said no that was the 2021 contract so we need to put on the September 12th agenda sign the parcel mapping contract and I have it right here but we can't sign it tonight because it was too late to get it on me and Jenna for tonight okay okay I don't think I have anything I don't know well do you want to go into executive position? I just want to make sure that a lot of the stuff future agenda items I see Denise we have Kellogg Hubbard wants to come well that's the question and I think we just you might as to decide if we want to have them come it's probably good public relations or roll some of that forward because the 12th is not getting pretty long so I told her I would check with the board and see what our pleasure was to have them come I like the idea I can imagine that would be the 26th we do have importantly we've been putting the Shaitree preservation plan off for quite a bit I feel like it might be time to get that done so yeah alright I think we're ready to I believe we need a motion to go into executive we go into executive session for personnel matters we're set up to 1VSA 313A 1VSA 313A yeah I'll second and all in favor please say aye okay