 We're ready to start the meeting of the Montpelier Roxbury School Board of Directors, the Board of School Directors, starting at 637. First, one addition to our agenda, we need to appoint the chair for our evaluation committee. And we can go to the first order of business, which is public comment. Hearing none, we can go to the second order of business, which is the consent agenda. I'd like to have a motion to approve the consent agenda. I move to approve the consent agenda. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye, any opposed? The consent agenda approved. Now on to Hope and Eve for the learning process. All right, so starting off with student celebrations, all of these kind of melt together. It's hard to like really categorize them, but our first student celebration is that the conversation, which is a student led group that talks about sexual assault and issues, pyramid consent, and holds actual physical conversations about those issues during soul and block once a month and has done so for the past few years, went into ninth grade classes recently and had community members and professionals present on consent and what that means. And it works in tandem with what they've learned in health and sort of builds on that so that they understand a really important issue. Yeah, so we had a slam poet, Stephen Willis, come in to the high school and a lot of English classes went and some people in free blocks, but he basically was this poet who talked a lot about race and issues of identity and it inspired a lot of people to see how poetry and literature can inspire and how you can really showcase who you are through it and I think it would be great to have more people come to the school and guest speakers to do more motivation for students to see the possibilities and dual enrollment has been going really well their semester courses have an earlier end date than the schools here so a lot of people have been excelling and taking advantage of that opportunity. And student council has been tasked with helping the League of Women Voters register students to vote so there's going to be a voter registration drive next week and I'll be registering and I'm excited. But student council members will also be helping advertise that and make sure that students have what they know what they need to bring in and have the information they need to register. Moving on to student concerns and needs. Just mentioning the continued efforts to support diversity, equity and inclusion, I always just reiterate that with every presentation even if there isn't something specific to bring up about that just because I think it's so important and club action has been working on something called peer tutoring and they're having a solemn block tomorrow to discuss and present to potential peer tutors who are interested and so it would be students who are have taken courses that other students need help with and basically like helping build a sense of community and making sure that students can help and support each other if they're struggling in certain subjects and just also get the gratification of like helping other students succeed and that ties into the achievement gap of course because if students aren't getting what they need out of their experiences in the classroom that sometimes extra help is necessary and I think that this is one of the ways to sort of ameliorate what might be. I wouldn't say lacking in the classroom but what they might still be missing out on that would require that need of extra help and in terms of student perspective a lot of MHS students who are involved in Earth Group are also involved in Youth Lobby which is a climate action group that has members from Harwood and G32 and has expanded to schools such as Essex and Burlington in the past and so they're holding this big sort of like first day in the legislature where they are going to be co-hosting coffee with constituents with David Zuckerman and hosting a press conference and delivering the United, I think it's called the Young Vermonters United Climate Declaration to various committees and also testifying in committee to certain legislators and so that's just entirely around climate justice and ways to move forward in the legislative session this year. Yeah, so this is our final marking period with summative so we have retake week approaching quick and that's going to have midterms and a lot of students are prepping for that and I think it's just a good opportunity to take advantage of improving your grades and just working towards getting better academic scores. That's all. Thank you. Question on voting. Can you, I should probably know this, but can you register prior to turn 18 if you're gonna be 18 a little bit? Yes. Yeah. I heard the poet was amazing. He was so gonna. I was so curious, I was at a workshop so I missed it but I heard he was just like and I got out of the park. Yeah, everyone loved him. It's like people who normally wouldn't be interested in that type of stuff were like really involved. That's exactly that. Yeah. Yeah, that was great. He was definitely really engaging and funny too. He was funny. He was personable. My daughter went twice. Oh yeah. Yeah, Sue Miami even said that she thinks that she overworked him a little bit because his voice was like horse in the day. Yeah. Excellent. On to board business. I think this is probably a good place to start with appointing a chair for a value. This community was formerly Becky but I've seen some Becky has stepped off the board with a new chair and Tina has graciously volunteered to do it. So I would suggest someone nominate Tina unless someone wants to fight her for it. Go for it. Actually, what do we have on that committee right now? Because Lisa had been on it before and I think it's... Jerry's on it. Jerry, I'm on it. So Tina and Jerry. We met this week. Yeah. Thanks for the refresher. I move we appoint Tina Muncie as the chair of the evaluation committee. I see. I see. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Excellent. And then we need to appoint, talking about Becky, a replacement. So Mara, if you wanna come up and introduce yourself. I think that's an excellent letter of interest You don't have to say much other than hi. Should I use the mic or can I just talk to you? Awesome. Yeah, talk to you or you can sit if you want. That little... Yeah, there's a... That little place is the same. Y'all are fancy. So my name's Mara Iverson. I use she, her pronouns. I live here in Montpelier. Otherwise I could not have backed being in Montpelier right on the school board. And I work for outright Vermont, which is an LGBTQ youth organization and we advocate throughout the state of Vermont. And I'm particularly interested in being on the school board here because I'm passionately interested about education far and wide. And it's kind of the place where kids spend all their waking hours between the ages of like six and 18. So that is a place for shaping the citizens that are going to support the country in the future. And that means that it's important for the people on the board to support those efforts. And I'm really excited about that. Good. Thanks, any questions for Mara? How many committees do you want to be on? And when can you start? Yeah, Andrew. Well, now, is that a serious question? Do you have... I was asked this question because I was appointed to a vacancy. And I think it is... I mean, Mara's the only applicant, correct? Yes. So it's not like we have... Yeah, so it's not like we really have a decision. No, I'm very glad that you applied. So thank you so much. Yes, if we did have a decision, you would be extremely competitive. Yes, yes, without that. Very, very glad that you applied. So thank you so much. Do you have... Obviously there's going to be an election in like two months. So you have designs on plans to run for election and school board as well. So, okay. Yeah. I was going to do that anyway, and then the appointment came over before that. So... Yeah, and so just to explain this, because it's totally your choice, the appointment, which I'm gonna go out on a limb and say will probably occur, is good for the remainder of Becky's term, which is to town meeting day. And then there will be an election for... There's three of us. It's actually not the remainder of her term. She has another year on her term. Exactly, I was gonna say. So there's gonna be three full term seats, and then the remainder of Becky's term. Three? Three? Yes. Your seat, me and Tina. Oh, but you and Tina are really competitive. They're competitive elections. Yeah, we're rerunning. People kind of run against us. Yes, yes, yes. Because it's all one election. Huh? Yeah. It's like... It's over no more than three, right? You had to designate? No, no, because they have terms. They have terms. Yeah, but then there will be an election for the remainder of Becky's term, which will be, I think, separate and resting. Yes. But what we were discussing practically wise, when you put your name on the ballot, do you, are you saying, for example, if you're running for that, because you have to designate, right? In fact, your petition has to say that. That's what I would say. Yeah, your petition has to say that. So your petition needs to indicate whether you're running for one year or for three years. Yes, so that's where I was going. Michelle has indicated that, can I announce this? Yes. I think we have. Yes, let's go. So Michelle is very saddly, but probably not so saddly for her. Yes. I'll announce that she's not running. So there will be at least one non-competitive three-year term and then the remainder of Becky's seat. So our appointment does not have, you can run for obviously any of those. So if you say, maybe I'll give it a year and see how I feel. Then you can choose to run for Becky's seat, the remainder of the term we're gonna appoint you for. Or if you say, hey, I really don't want to have to deal with another, I know I want to be in this for three years. I don't want to have to go and get signatures and deal with another election next fall. Yeah, you can run for your term. Just so you're kind of clear on that. Excellent information, thank you. Yes, and I think the, you need 30 signatures. I'm actually checking with John Odom to see if there's meant any change in the process because we used to be part of the city and now we're our own district. I don't think there is, but I'm checking with John Odom to make sure. And actually the person to check with is Tammy Legacy. Okay. It's the person who knows us as a district, yeah. So I gotta find out the answer to that question, but the process in the past has been, we need to get 30 signatures by, I think, I think it's four days before town. Yeah, so it's usually at the next 20 days. Yes. Before the end of January. Exactly, before the end of January. It's usually at the end of January. Mr. Chair, is it the 27th? Yeah, I need to get, I talked to Tammy. Okay. Yes. I know that due date, Grant indicated today, it's January 27th, these signatures will be two. Okay, that's good to know because I need to do that as well. And any members of the public who are thinking about running, it's good for them to know as well. January 27th. Get your signatures lined up. Would you like a motion? I would like a motion. I think we're ready to answer further discussion. I move that the board appoint Clara Iverson as a Montpelier representative to the school board. I sound good. Will the term vacated by, thank you very much. A second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Congratulations. And yeah, I'll move to the floor. You are totally welcome to take a seat up here with us until you swear yourself in, which you can do either in person or over the phone with John Odom at City Hall. It's not especially when you cannot vote, but we certainly are happy to have you sit for the rest of the meetings. So you want to drag your chair over? Yeah, I'm going to drag my chair and get my work done. And then I'm going to do a fancy name tag. I think you can do it with an anti-notary if I'm not mistaken. Yeah, she can. We're going to square in. But John, he's not going to mess up the thing. If you can do it with any notary, we have several of the school districts. Yeah, that's what John said. All right, actually, I'm all welcome to the Senate. Budget discussion. Packed house. Yeah, so it is. Is that? Packed house. Yeah, so it's all right with everybody instead of going through every detail on every slide, since it's just us. I'll probably just hit the highlights of what's changed. And then at the end, there'll be plenty of time for discussion. My apologies, I only got the briefing out this morning because I was told our equalized people number would be out Thursday afternoon or this morning. And unfortunately, it still hasn't come. So waited for nothing. But there were a lot of other things that changed. So there's really just one unanswered question. So unfortunately, all slides are loaded, so I'm going to be kind of skipping through. So here's the important one. Changes since our last presentation. So the common level of praises came in. Pretty close in Montpelier. I was out by, I had estimated 86.86, I'm sorry, 87.17 and the actual CLA came in at 86.86. That's pretty close, but it's still enough that it increased the tax rate by 0.6 cents in Montpelier, just that one change. In Roxbury, way off. I, Roxbury's CLA dropped over 5% last year. This year it actually went up. So that was a shock to me. I guess that means property values did not increase in the community of Roxbury, which may not be a good thing for individual homeowners that are trying to sell, but it's great news for taxpayers because it dropped the tax rate 9.6 cents just the CLA. I think Roxbury is just such a small sample that it can swing individual sales. Yeah, yeah, probably. So before Roxbury was almost a level tax rate, now there are tax rates going down, I think like 9.4 cents, which you'll see later. On the expense side, tech center tuition went way up. The number, our six semester average went up dramatically because two semesters dropped off and two new semesters came on. The two that dropped were very low as far as student counts. The two that came on were very high. So we increased like, I think it was over four students in our six semester average, not to mention central Vermont, career centers tuition went up fairly dramatically as well. So that was a bit of an increase there. Health insurance corrections, if you remember, this is actually a correction to a correction because the last time I decreased health insurance looking at the statewide negotiations, but as I re-read it, I think I was a little too quick to make that adjustment down there. So I undid that because of the timing where you can make adjustments to various bargaining units. So I put that back in and then I think somebody changed from like two version to family or something like that. 504 placements, those are outside placements, not for kiddos that are on IEPs. I was able to reduce that. It's based on student needs. We know something more about student needs today than we did last month. Internet and phone, I dropped that $18,000. We are down to just one internet phone provider and we have now worked it out so that our E-rate discount is being applied to our bills and we have a better idea of what our monthly bills are going to be. And so that was a savings. On the revenue side, we got some numbers from the AOE, the special education block grant that was a little bit lower than I anticipated, the special education triple E, which is essential early education for pre-K. That was a little higher than I anticipated. The special rate intensive, which is that like 56% or so of our expenses, that's a little higher than I had initially estimated and our extraordinary is a little higher, probably because it went to 95% reimbursement from 90% except it went from 50,000 to 60,000 to hit the threshold. But so the net was on the revenue side, we ended up positive. Tuition, that's just general intuition that we get for kids that are coming here from other districts or towns. I bumped that up a little bit in the hopes that you were going to approve the announced tuition, which you did. And so that is the changes for expenses and revenues and tax factors. The one that we're missing obviously is equalized people's stuff. District overview slide, this is mostly intended to put some background information up for town meeting day. We went over the context, I don't need to go over that again. And I'll give you a final unknowns. We're down to, as soon as we get equalized pupils, I'll probably just delete this because there's no sense in just overly reminding people that dollar and yield and unrest and during that piece of my life and we're going to know about it. So as soon as we get equalized pupils, that slide will go away. Obviously the numbers in this chart are different because the expenses went up a little bit, the non-tax revenues went down a little bit. So I think we were at in Ed spending, it's 4.68, I think we were at 4.77. So Ed spending is down a little bit. Equalized pupils is still the big question mark. If you remember, I did bump it up by about five in my estimators. I'm hoping that's still good. I'm hoping that's still maybe a little on the conservative side, but we should know that any day now. Enrollments went over that last time and staffing went over that last time. Quick question, who's responsible for the equalized pupils? Is that Brad James? Brad James is the one who's revised it. And I should be in some fairness, our FY20 ADM didn't get certified with the AOE until this past weekend. So had he run the numbers on Friday, he wouldn't have a good number of year. So I was kind of telling him, wait, wait, wait, and then on Monday hurry up and do it, hurry up and do it. So it should be, I'm hoping tomorrow, but definitely we should have it by next week, which is when you definitely need it in order to approve the budget. The expense detail, you can look at some of the words. I tried to update the merit because some things change, like career center tuition is a different number. So I changed some of those words, but really the changes that are reflected in here are the ones I talked about, whatever the changes from December 18th. So I won't bother hitting the individuals. Nothing through the capital plan is different. Tax rates. So this one is different in a few cases. So the revenues and expenses are updated. The equalized pupils isn't, I didn't change the dollar yield as a reminder that is different than what the tax commissioner recommended, but it's still up in the air into the legislature's commissions, their work. The CLA in that box, that's what's been updated since last time. And you can see the blue box at the bottom, what I had estimated before versus what it is now. And the impact of that. So the impact of that different CLA was a 0.6 increase from Montpelier, 9.6 cent decrease for Rocksbury. I should say for anybody from Rocksbury that's listening, this is it. I mean, this is pretty much done. This 1.610 actual tax rate that we are estimating there, it's not gonna change. I could decrease the budget by $5 million. It can't go any lower because of statute. I could increase it by, I think the last time I played around that, I could increase the budget by $850,000 and it still wouldn't change the Rocksbury tax rate. So this 1.61 is pretty much done for Rocksbury. For Montpelier, of course, that number could change dramatically if that equalized pupil number changes. And to give you some context for that, it's about one penny for every seven equalized pupils. So if instead of 1245, if that's 1252, then that tax rate drops a penny. If I were to try to drop it a penny by doing something with the budget, I would have to reduce $120,000. $120,000 is about a penny for Montpelier and seven equalized pupils is a penny. So yeah, and that's something you should kind of put in the back of your mind. If you have a target in your mind for a tax rate, once I tell you what's going on with equalized pupils, then you'll know what the impact is gonna be and then you would know what you might want us to do financially to make up the digits. So, Grant, if the pupil count comes in seven higher than what you expected, then that gives a $120,000 buffer into the budget. That would allow us to do is reduce the tax rate. We could increase our budget by $120,000 if this went up by seven and the tax rate would stay the same. Or we could leave the budget alone. This goes up by seven and the tax rate drops. And then the residential tax rate impacts. I just refreshed those. It's kind of interesting how it's an increase of 9.4 cents in Montpelier, a decrease of 9.4 cents in Roxbury just coincidentally, just how it works sometimes. And as this note says, Roxbury is a firm member. Even if our equalized pupils change, it's not gonna change Roxbury's tax rate. And the other thing to point out is this, these impacts are based on property value alone. And most people, at least I'd say two thirds of the people receive income sensitivity adjustments which lower their impact. I updated this residential tax rate history as well. It still tells the same story. If you look at tax rates without CLA, tax rates have dropped for both communities from FY18 to FY21. In the case of Roxbury, it's even dropped fairly significantly when you factor in CLA. It's almost 9.4 cents lower. And the dark blue is Roxbury without CLA, the light blue is with CLA. And you'd see last year, because the CLA dropped, that line went up even though the without CLA went down. But this year, since the CLA was stable, it actually went up a little bit, both lines went down. For Montpelier, a minor increase without CLA, it turns into a big increase with CLA. And Andrew had asked for a 10-year history, which I couldn't really do for Roxbury, but I did give it to you for Montpelier. The one thing you should look at though is this number here from Montpelier with CLA on the handout that you got from 10-year history. That number might be a little different because I was tweaking it as in my non-residential. It is what it is, the budget has no impact to this. Outlook being changed, budget summary, I just kind of updated the numbers. It's a 4.68 increase in net spending, 4.3 in spending for Pupil right now. That number could change dramatically if our number of Pupils goes up. The tax rates in Montpelier right now, it shows a 5.7% increase, which is the 9.24 cents. Roxbury a 5.5% increase, which is 9.4. And we are really down to, I think we were all pretty comfortable with the budget before, so we're really just down to finding out the equalized Pupil count. But if there's anything else, any other questions or changes, go free, the upcoming meetings, we have on next Wednesday, which we have to approve the budgets and we get the warnings done. Yep. And then March 2nd is the information hearing here at high school. Questions for Grant, Tina. I've had a community member ask what the, and maybe we really can't do it, what the cost per Pupil was for us compared to the surrounding districts and what's the comparisons to the surrounding districts and the rest of them. We're in the middle. I was looking at it yesterday. In terms of per Pupil spending, where we were last year at least, they've just released that Pupil. They've released the 2019 numbers at the end of. And it depends a lot on what you're looking at too. I mean, you can't say anything about FY21 because everybody's building them right now. I can tell you that we're at 17,060, $17,060. The excess spending threshold is 18,756. So that's significant. We've got a nice cushion. We have plenty of room before we get penalized for tax rates. If you take that excess spending threshold and figure that maybe the statewide average is maybe 10% below that, then that would be like 16,880, which is slightly below our 17,060. But that's just me making a guess because 21, we won't know until it's all done. In FY20, there's a couple of different ways you can look at it. You can look at pure statewide average or you can look at it by small districts, medium districts, large districts. You can look at it by districts that are unified union school districts like us versus supervisory unions. I think if you looked at FY20 and you looked at unified union school districts, I would say the statewide average, I believe was just over $16,000 and we were at $16,361. So that I would say is a firm number that we would point to, about $360 over the statewide average last year. And I would say though, in general Andrew's assessment is correct, we're probably in the middle of the pack pretty close. And there aren't a huge number of union districts, are there? Yeah, they're getting a big number. More and more. That's true, that's true. For FY19, if you look across the entire state in terms of our rank of education spending per equalized people, and this was just published last month, we were 73. Meaning that 72 districts had higher per people. Then we did, yeah. Yeah, and a similar number were lower. Districts, unions, however, they're grouped together. Right, they're like 180 or 200 or something all together. There are, let me see what that was before. Oh yeah, that's been a lot of numbers. That's where Andrew's happened. I'm looking for the lowest. There's some 160s on here, 162 might be the highest number. Should we really smack in the middle? Yeah. Sometimes. 165, it looks like. And that's grouping. And of course you have to also factor in how you look at average, too. I mean if somebody has an extremely high number that could change the number if you're looking at a dollar value as opposed to where we rank. This is just rank, yeah. Which is probably the most better way to do it. So probably the biggest change between what you're presenting us now and what we're gonna see next Wednesday is you will likely have the lowest people number. Yeah, as a matter of fact, even as recently as like one o'clock, Brad emailed me and said he was still hoping to get it out today. But obviously, I mean, unless, I haven't felt the vibration on my phone. I haven't emailed him. The language nature is in session. That takes up his time. And that's where he was all morning today. Since he said that, I would assume it's definitely a safe bet that we're gonna have it by next Wednesday. And hopefully in time for me to get out of briefing too much before the meeting next time. Because what, if we didn't, it doesn't the law require that the ballot states the per pupil spending? The ballot has to say what the per pupil spending is and what the percentage increase is from the prior year. So we wouldn't, if they don't get it to us. We'd probably have to have an emergency board meeting. Probably, I don't think it would get there. I mean, right now we have one technically because what they did was they calculated it before we got our FY20 numbers in. So they have a statutory number in there, which is 3.5% lower than last year. We don't want to use that because it's like. Nor is it accurate. Was that? We've got more kids. Yeah, we've got more serious. So we'll have it. I'm confident we'll have it. I'm the only thing I'm not comfortable with yet is I want to see what it is too. I don't want to just have them send it to us. I want to see what it is. And it should be, if we were at 1240 last year and we had an increase again this year, 1245 really I think is conservative. It should be at least that. And if it's not that, then we're gonna have some issues that we have to sort through. And that makes me uncomfortable which is because the state-wide data system is so clunky that it could take a long time to fix. So hopefully we're in good shape though. I know, as a matter of fact, U32 got a look at our FY20 ADM because they asked me about a couple of kids. So their kiddos finally showed up, which they had been hounding me about because their equalized pupils were low because we weren't counting their kids that are in our school. So I think we're good. These are actual, not equalized, right? Right, that's a head count on October 1st. Right. It's not even ADM. So this looks like we got 15 new kids. And then you have to look at what came off from the prior year. Oh no wait, 72 to 108 is 36 new kids from last year. And now the big question is, then you take that and buy it by two because it's two-year average, so that's 18, but then you don't know how the waiting is going to factor that. But I would hope that we're in good shape. Yeah. Some kids are more kids than others. Right, we got a lot of tech graders, it's a good thing. Tech graders are very weighted. So with our current numbers though, what we're looking at giving the voters is a 5.7% increase in the budget with a 9.4% increase. And I feel like we're gonna have to really justify that to voters. I've told Jim I'm really, I mentioned this to Brigitte too, I'm really anxious because our municipality is struggling with health insurance costs. And I've been told by some city council members that they're looking at some steep increases on the municipal side. And I don't think it's fair, but I think that will affect us. And so I think that's something for us all to be cognizant of having into this. And I think that when we brief this budget, I think we should try to put it into terms of spending per pupil. Because really, just your total expense budget, that's not really fair. Because there's districts out there that lost 100 kids. And their budgets only went up 4%. Well, we gained a bunch of kids and our budget's going up 5%. That's apples and oranges. It's really, it should be, how are you looking per pupil? Because then their pupil number is going way up higher. And ours is staying pretty stable. And right now we're at 4.27. I'd still like that number to be around four. So I'm hoping for an equalized pupil count that's a little higher, which will drop that percentage down. And I think that's the number we should be trying to tell people about. And educate them. I really think it will drop based on the actual. Yeah. The other story, and I think Libby was on this email, but I responded to Jim when he got these yesterday. I just took a quick look. And if you look at FY15 to FY21, although the change from FY20 to FY21, right now we're looking at it potentially being 5.4%, obviously subject to change. But say that that stays, if you look at FY15 to FY21, the change over that period is closer to 10.5%. And if you look at total, and if you look at... In the tax rate or at spending? And actually they're pretty similar, both the tax rate and per pupil spending, which makes sense because they're linked. But if you also look at inflation over that same period, you're looking at about a 10% increase to the overall cost of goods and services that people pay for every day. So when you contextualize, the cost of our public schools going up at roughly the same percentage as the cost of most other things we're paying for over the same time period. And in fact, if we went back a year prior, the cost of our public schools amount to pay would actually be less than inflation. I think it really helps. I think we have a few good stories to talk about. I think one, start with this is a very solid budget and it's based on the needs of our kids and that it serves the needs of our kids and there's nothing in here that's extravagant or not well thought out. And in fact, if anything, I think there could be an argument that we need more robust spending and this is pretty good trade. Very responsibly so, but this is not, they didn't go all Cadillac on all things. But our taxes go up. Well, the taxes and other things do go up over time, but I think noting that as Andrew said, that overall in line, this has roughly been in the rate of inflation. We did have a few years where we had pretty light to no tax increases. In fact, 18, 19 are reductions. Or reductions. Yeah, and then 17 was very modest and 16 was not particularly substantial even last year wasn't particularly substantial. These numbers may get better when we get the equalized pupil. And also the fact that Montpelier has a robust housing market. And that led to a CLA that's, that accounts for a lot of it too. So, we just need to tell that story and put the tax number. Well, one, hope it gets a little better, but then put it in context. Cause I think it's a very solid budget. And I think it's a budget that Montpelier should support, but I do people pay attention to the numbers. Yeah, I'm looking at inflation and these per people spending numbers. I feel like I just crunched the numbers briefly yesterday and from FY 15 to FY 21, they're pretty much exactly even. So, and that is with two years of projections based on the state's consensus revenue board. Yeah. So it's maybe paired with what actual inflation was. So I think we're telling a good story that the increase in the tax rate does not do to a year of spending this out of line with what we've been spending. And we heard from a lot of community members about desires and that they have for our schools that we're not providing for, I'm thinking of the theater group in particular. Yeah, Bridget. We've also, you know, this, Andrew's really a helpful Andrew and Grant's story over a period of time and I would just add to it that in these last few years, we have also been catching up on a lot of deferred maintenance. So we've not only been educating our students and meeting their needs as we've been fixing these buildings that had suffered for a long time and that investment continued to pay off a long time. You did pass the big bond. Yeah, but that's included in the tax rate. Yeah. I don't have the numbers in front of me but that's going down over time from here on out, is it not? All the construction bonds do go down a little bit each year as the interest goes down each year and then of course you get the big drop whenever one gets paid off. Yeah, they go down a little bit. Our retirement bond is kind of going up a little bit as that goes down though. So it's pretty stable. I'd say it's overall, it's a little bit of a decrease but not from that. So any thoughts or just hold tight and plug in the equalizer for the new two and we'll talk again next week? Yeah, I'll move it, please. That's fair. All right, thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks, Grant, we appreciate it. And thanks, Andrew, for additional number. I'm sorry, number crunching. Yes, and thanks also to Libby and Grant for getting some 10 year numbers in quick order and I know you have other things to do but I do think this is helpful in terms of telling a story because this is the first time in three to four years as Andrew pointed out that we've brought a budget to the public that's really asked for much in terms of tax reviews. And I do like this slide a lot if we can explain it which maybe somebody else might be able to do better than me but I mean, this is Montpelier's line through tax rate without the CLA which we can't do without the CLA. We have no control over that and it's pretty flat. Yes, it goes up but that's what I mean by doing the CLA which we can't do anything about. And this is for both communities as we've existed as a unified district, so. All right, thank you very much. Great, thanks for having me. Thanks for all you do. So we are like well ahead of schedule which is good news for all. I think next we have executive session and contract negotiations. We also want to discuss. A personnel matter. Yeah, personnel matters because I don't think administration contracts fall into. Yeah, she's going to give us an update on the rules on those too. Do you have a special ask to have Grant come into executive session and so I've asked him to come in? We can invite anybody. Yeah, so we make a motion to enter and then we can invite anybody else. Okay. So we should invite Mark too. Good man. That's his job. He's read his Roberts rules. Okay. He and Robert are best friends. I move to find that discussing contract negotiations in the public setting would put the district out a substantial disadvantage. I second. All those in favor? Aye. Any opposed? We have a motion to go into executive session. To discuss. The purpose of discussing contract negotiations. And personnel matters. With an invitation to grant guys there. Second. Second. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye.