 Coming up on DTNS, Apple may stop bundling headphones with their iPhones, why new U.S. trade rules might not affect Huawei at all, and can AI help us find a vaccine? This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, May 20, 2020, in Los Angeles, I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Redwood, I'm Sarah Lane. Salt Lake City, I'm Scott Johnson. And I am the show's producer, Roger Chang. We've had a wide-ranging good day internet today. If you want to hear us talk about Patrick Beja's accent, A&W root beer, ice cream and more, get that wider, expanded show at patreon.com slash DTNS. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Xiaomi reported Q1 revenue rose 13.6 percent, beating expectations. The company says smartphone production in China has largely resumed and demand has rebounded. Sales rose thanks to rising prices for 5G phones and growing overseas sales as well. Speaking of phones, Verizon is turning on 5G uploads in some of its 5G coverage area. That means Verizon 5G customers will see uploads that are 30 percent faster than LTE. Up until now, Verizon's 5G service only delivered 5G for download and still used LTE for its uploads. AT&T is rolling out actual 5G, but of course, as we've talked about on this show, also calls their LTE 5G or 5G evolution, but they might not be doing that for long. The National Advertising Review Board or NARB recommended that AT&T cease using the term as well as the phrase 5G evolution the first step to 5G in its marketing material. The company says it respectfully disagrees but is a supporter of the self-regulatory process and will comply with the decision. Last month AT&T added 90 new markets for a total of 120 million customers across 190 markets with access to actual 5G that they can just call 5G for customers who have actual 5G capable phones. I love that. We respectfully disagree. We will comply, but we're not going to say how. Maybe you'll just forget. The SD Association announced the SD 8.0 memory spec for SD cards. SD Express card transfer speeds quadruple to 3940 megabits per second with support for PCIe 4.0. To get those speeds SD card readers need to support two PCIe 4 lanes. Other slots with PCIe 3 can still get twice the speed at 1900 megabits per second. SD 8.0 cards will be backwards compatible and available across a range of sizes. The spec will allow reasonable transfer speeds for up to 4K and 8K video as well as faster game loading as well. SD cards using the 8.0 spec are expected towards the end of the year. Users acknowledge that they are indeed testing a new setting among a quote-unquote limited group that lets users control who can reply to their tweets. Users can pick from one of three options, everyone, people you follow or and only people you mention. If anyone outside the chosen setting or if you're outside the chosen setting you can still view the tweet like and retweet it, but you can't reply directly to the sender. Google's letting existing Google Fi customers use eSIM now on their iPhone XR, XS, XS Max and 11 series or 2020 SE phones. Those are the iPhones that support dual SIM. New Google Fi customers have been able to do this since last month, but it was because they were setting up from scratch. The Verge notes that some users on Reddit report that you need to uninstall the Google Fi app from the iPhone, then add a cellular plan to the iPhone, then reinstall the Google Fi app and then it will work. Ride Healing Company DD said on Wednesday it will use AI to verify if Latin American drivers are wearing masks and have disinfected cars. Drivers will have to take a picture of themselves wearing the mask starting on May 22nd and starting in June they'll need to report body temperature and upload photos of daily vehicle disinfection. Drivers will also be required to wear masks and DD launched similar measures in China back in January. Alright Scott, tell us the good news about Apple. Well, this is maybe good news for some or maybe we just expect this. We'll see. Analyst Ming Cheek who believes Apple may not include wired headphones or ear pods in the next generation of iPhones. Heaven forbid. Who says Apple may heavily promote or even discount AirPods does not believe or expect new models of AirPods until 2021 wired Apple headphones cost $29 right now and the lowest priced AirPods are currently $159 even if you get a deal occasionally at $139 which is what I did. I'm not surprised by this. In fact, I'm also not surprised that it's probably going to be Apple who pulls the trigger and finally says hey no more wired earbuds in here. However, I kind of wish they would just make ear pods real cheap and have those in instead. You know, they're not going to do that, but that would be really cool. That's truly the bridge to the wireless future, not the sort of half measure with not including it at all. Well, you mean you mean, you know, to bring down the price of AirPods to something that would be less of, you know, something you have to swallow if you want to buy new iPhone. I mean, the whole thing about the ear pods, the wired ear pods is, you know, people made a big stink when they got rid of the headphone jack. And it was like, okay, well, I'm still getting them for free, right? You know, might be a dongle appropriate. Once you get a phone that has a lightning port, then you've got that. But you know, in general, it's hard to really complain too much if you're getting earbuds that work for free. If you want something better, you get those separately. Apple being like, possibly, you know, you don't get them at all, but we'll maybe offer AirPods for something drastically reduced for a short period of time because our new version of AirPods aren't coming out till next year kind of thing. It is interesting. And I wonder, you know, people will be up in arms as they always are about how things change. But I wonder how this will end up driving a lot of sales for AirPods. Min Chi Kuo is usually right about this stuff. So I'm not going to be surprised if this happens. I would imagine that Apple will reduce the price of the AirPods, maybe below $100 for not the pro, right, but for the entry level, and then bundle that in. So in other words, you can buy the iPhone or you can, you know, get really cheap AirPods for less than $100 with the iPhone. And they'll push that when you're checking out. Hey, do you want to add AirPods for this super cheap price? They're really going, I think, from Apple site. Great, you could look at this and say, Apple is cheap and they want to make money off accessories and they're trying to force you into spending money on accessories. That's a perfectly legitimate point of view that I know a lot of you will hold. The other side of this is Apple looking at this and saying, look, we don't want to put in stuff that people aren't going to use. And if people already have AirPods or already have headphones, wireless headphones that they like that aren't AirPods, that's what we want them to do. That's why we got rid of the headphone jack. And so why would we put in this piece of plastic that's going to go to waste when everybody in our audience anyway is switching to these wireless headphones and we want to push that adoption? Because then those headphones can be used on multiple phones and you're not making a bunch of headphones that nobody's going to use. I'm just saying, imagine the box and you open it up and there's the phone. And then below that, you got the little tiny manual below that two AirPods just like there. Oh, no, I imagine the box. This is what Apple wants. I guarantee you imagine the box. You open it up and it's the phone and that's it wireless charging wireless headphones that you get separately. They don't want anything else in that box except the phone. I think that's their goal. Speaking of Apple, Apple and Google have made their exposure notification API live for the public. So health agencies can now use that API in their apps for Android and iOS. Companies say many US states, 22 countries have been provided API access already and more to come. This is phase one. If you remember, this is where the system works in apps. So you have to download an app to make it work. But it still has all the privacy protections, doesn't use geolocation and all of that stuff. Phase two is the one that will work at the operating system level and not require an app in order to start collecting the data. Google and Apple are in conversations with public health authorities about what system level features would be useful in that second phase. Interesting. Do we know? I mean, this isn't that big a deal for users, really, because we're not we're not going to see anything right away. I mean, we're not going to see anything that takes a bit. If you're in North Dakota, they're going to have an app that takes advantage of this separate from an app they already have out that uses geolocation. So if you want the bigger privacy protection, you'll be able to opt for that. Utah is not going to have this. That health agency is not playing along with Apple Google. But keep an eye on your health agency so that they will tell you when their app is ready to download or update to take advantage of this. I got to say the rollouts of this. And I know that there are many stages and we're still at the very beginning. The companies have been really good about messaging and they've been really good about delivering, you know, on dates that they've promised, if not sooner. And with that, we will move on to shopping at Shopify. Reunite Shopify's first virtual version of its annual event. I believe this was the fifth year. The company unveiled a new business account and debit card option for customers called Shopify balance, a buy now pay later option called shop pay installments and a new local delivery product. Shopify says its AI powered fulfillment network is also actively accepting merchant applications. Now, if you remember our story from yesterday on the competitor side of things yesterday, Facebook announced Facebook shops, a tool to help businesses list products on Facebook pages and Instagram profiles. Now, right now, Shopify, you know, it reaps the rewards of Facebook rolling this out, but it just goes to show you. And again, it's our current climate right now that leans heavily into this whole idea of, all right, let's do a little bit more of, you know, that kind of consumer to consumer shopping situation. But yeah, Shopify is getting more robust and Facebook shops is getting a lot of attention. Yeah, I think Facebook shops, honestly, I know you're saying that Facebook will, you know, and it makes sense to say Facebook will eventually want to just take this all the way from Shopify. But I don't know whether that's true. I don't I think Facebook likes the idea that they can leave that complex business of setting up inventory and tracking inventory and taxes and all this stuff that you may not may not realize out there that that Shopify, Big Cartel, Woo, companies like that do. The Facebook isn't an expert in. They want those companies to take advantage of that. They're happy to let Shopify take advantage of that and then put that sort of things like Shopify balance by now pay later into the Facebook shop because where Facebook is going to make the money is offering a simplified payment exit plan that Shopify can plug into. But also every Facebook shop operator can then advertise on Facebook to get the people on Facebook to come to the Facebook shop and shop in the Facebook. I mean, I think Facebook is the mall operator here, not the cash register operator. And Shopify is the back of office accounting cash register operator. And the mall doesn't want to get into that business. What could happen, though, it's very possible if that cash register really rocks the joint and does amazingly well, there's no reason the mall, in this case, Facebook might not be interested in picking them up and buying them. So yeah, that's entirely field might buy Omron is what you're saying. Yeah, not impossible. And in this case, I think even more likely than that that scenario. That's a good point. Yeah, they buy all kinds of little things that that work well or jive well with what Facebook's goals are. And sometimes that's not exactly clear. But this seems like a clear one to me. It's one of the only missing aspects of the kinds of commerce you can do on Facebook is a more integrated solution for, you know, front and back end. So and the reason they bought Giffy is they wanted that data. The reason they might buy a Shopify, more data. Yeah, a couple of friends I know who run small. We know we want to sell you our t-shirts type of thing all over the world. It's like it is there has been a conundrum for a while. Shopify is not the only option, but it's kind of the only option unless you're going to build out the back end yourselves. And that's really complicated and definitely a little too big for the britches of a lot of, you know, small folks who are who are setting out that said, I also see all the time people who I don't know, I follow on Instagram, let's say. And every, you know, 10th time they post, there's something that they're sort of selling. And I'm like, I would just wish this was less clunky. Like I get what you're doing. I don't even hate you for it. Just, you know, give me something a little bit more streamlined so I understand what's going on. So I think that Facebook shops is is designed to to to solve that issue. Yeah. HBO Max launches on the 27th. Many of you have already signed up for the cheaper deal, but gives you HBO plus a lot of other content for Warner Brothers, media, TNT, TBS, et cetera. I hope a lot of old WB cartoons would be great if they could do that. Anyway, Warner Studios is also involved in this DC movies, for example, and HBO Max originals. It costs the same as HBO alone at 1499. Same as you're playing for go. If you're doing that, if Warner reaches a deal with a cable or streaming device platform, you may automatically get HBO Max. If you're an HBO subscriber, deals have already been announced with Apple, Charter, Google, YouTube, TV as well. Wednesday, May 20th, Warner announced deals with Atlas. Let's see. That's all tight. Sorry, all ties. Cox, Microsoft. So think Xbox and CTC, smaller cable operators. Samsung, Sony, so think PlayStation and Verizon, the big or sorry, the three big names without a deal yet are Amazon, Comcast and Roku. And they're big names. Variety says Roku and Warner are close, but Amazon is not likely to happen. Oh, and Dish Network had or hasn't had regular HBO since November 2018. So there's that too. I'm personally confused as someone who has a really good phone plan with AT&T because I think I'm supposed to be getting it free, but I'm paying for it. And I think that's my fault, but I'm not sure because I haven't really explained it. So there you go. You're one of those people. We didn't mention AT&T, which owns Order Media. So any AT&T service will also be included in this. Also, you didn't mention Hulu. Hulu will be part of this. If you're on any of these folks with with paying through the platform that Scott mentioned are having the deal, you probably won't be confused. May 27th, you'll get a notice that says, Hey, guess what? You have access to HBO Max now as part of your HBO Now subscription. Isn't that great? But if you're on Roku, if you're on one of these others that is that does not have a deal yet, Comcast and or Amazon, which never will have, then your HBO Now subscription will stay HBO Now and you'll have to figure out, well, do I want to get HBO Max? What platform can I get it on? Like, it sounds like you won't even have HBO Max apps on any platform that doesn't come to a deal. Here's the here's the wacky thing about all this. I got three different emails from HBO one that was just like a regular. Hey, look what's on HBO Go this month, because I'm an HBO Go subscriber. And then I got one that says, Hey, you should join HBO Max because we're going to do it for 11 bucks or whatever for the first year. If you get in now and you can cancel any time. And then I got a third email that duped that one because it was a different email address. So because I've got email addresses in different places, probably a whole separate one at AT&T. I'm getting like eight messages of different options. And I won't even get into the fact that you keep saying HBO Go, which you can only use if you have a cable subscription to HBO versus HBO Now, which is the one that you buy standalone when you don't have a cable subscription, which is actually the one I meant, which adds to this. You're totally right. You're totally right. All right, folks, the Wall Street Journal and the Economist have both reported that several trade experts out there believe that the new US trade rules that we mentioned earlier this week may not end up affecting Huawei, the company that they were written for. The new rules say that any company using US made equipment or designs to make chips need a license if they have knowledge that the products they're making are destined for Huawei. So there's already an entity list that Huawei is on that says you can't sell to Huawei. But the loophole that the US was trying to close was companies saying, well, we're not selling to Huawei. The chipmaker is. So they said, look, chipmaker, even if you're not in the United States, if you're using equipment or designs from the United States, you can't sell to Huawei. But the complexity of the supply chain means that a lot of chipmakers sell to a distributor, not to Huawei. For instance, an Indian company named Flex assembles products for multiple companies, including Huawei. Flex could order chips from TSMC without telling TSMC who, therefore, they might be for another of Flex's clients. They might be for multiple clients, including Huawei, but Flex would be the buyer and say, TSMC, we need this many chips. A US Department of Commerce spokesman told the Wall Street Journal, quote, intermediate steps in the supply chain are irrelevant when there is no mystery as to the ultimate destination. Clearly, there is, though. But what if there is exactly? Yeah, I mean, it's sort of like, OK, do we put this on Flex and TSMC at this point? Well, the two of you need to have way better communication so that ultimately stuff doesn't land in the hands of Huawei, the company. I mean, both of those companies are going to be like, no, we have that's how the supply chain works for us. That's we can't do it any better than this. And an Indian company, it would be in its rights to say if the US is like, well, you need to tell TSMC who these chips are for, the Indian company could say, why I'm an Indian company? I don't need to I don't need to follow your rules, which would mean then the Department of Commerce would have to write new trade rules to try to close that loophole. This may not end up being a problem. It may be that TSMC lawyers look at all this and go, well, it is probable that you know that these are destined for Huawei. So, you know, you better not say the chips. This is not one where we have a conclusion for you. It's watch for the headline that says TSMC cut off supplies for sure. TSMC has not admitted that there's been headlines alleging that. But TSMC says, no, we're evaluating. Look for the headline that says TSMC absolutely has done this or an absence of that headline and a story coming out later saying, Huawei seems to be shipping just as many phones because of this loophole. And you will know what that loophole is now. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech headlines. You'll get them in about five minutes at DailyTechHeadlines.com. Ray Kurzweil has an opinion piece in wired advocating more use of artificial intelligence to speed up vaccine research. He identifies the two main parts where he thinks that I could help one is identifying the right molecules that a vaccine would target and to hold clinical trials. So what artificial intelligence can do is say, look, there's billions of possibilities, trillions of possibilities for molecules out there. But we can try every single one of them against COVID-19 or SARS-CoV-2, the actual virus and see if they match up. And we can do that much faster than humans could never do that. And AI could do that because it can do some pattern matching. Or and I should say it could say, OK, we have a physiological model. We've trained machine learning to know how people respond to various molecules entering their system so we can simulate the clinical trials and kind of eliminate the ones that very obviously would cause a problem. We'd still hold the clinical trials, of course, but we could toss out a few and save us some time by identifying the ones that wouldn't work right away. Now, humans come up with a few dozen possibilities out of trillions, test a few hundred humans to see what works. AI would test trillions of possibilities and thousands of simulated patients. Argonne National Laboratory doing this. Kurzweil predicts, given the exponential nature of progress in this field, I believe by the end of the decade, we'll be able to realistically model all biology and simulate interventions for diseases. But we need to evaluate Kurzweil's claims. Sarah, tell us what Alex Engler has been saying. OK, so on April 20th, Alex Engler, a professor who teaches data science over Georgetown studies implications of AI, wrote, artificial intelligence won't save us from coronavirus. And he has a few identifiers of ways to avoid falling force specific AI claims. He says. Species, species, AI claims. So so so we're looking for claims that are out of the ordinary. And what's great about this is it's two wired articles here. We went straight to the article that Alex Engler posted on the Brookings Institute and I figured, OK, let's go through Kurzweil's claims here and test them against Engler's system. So is he a subject matter expert? Well, I'm going to say yes. Does anybody disagree with me? Kurzweil is an AI subject matter expert. Yes. Yes, absolutely. He's not a company that's just applying AI with not knowing how it works. AI needs a lot of data. Does the relevant data exist? Well, the data on the viruses exists. So that part isn't questionable. What's questionable is, do we have the right data to understand how these molecules will interact with humans? Well, can I use this example used before the show where you made me feel smart for not for once, but for today, you made me feel very smart. You make me feel smart all the time, Tom, but I basically said, look, there are where my head starts to get into the weeds on this thing is how complicated the human testing can be because there are so many of us and right down to individual levels, you can have different results depending on what you're looking for. This kind of research seems like it would be hard to emulate with an AI when what you really need is a whole bunch of flesh and blood bodies across a huge range of preexisting conditions, medical conditions, age groups, races, everything, all of it. All those factors. And I couldn't wrap my head around how an AI like this or any other that anyone would talk about would be able to do that. And you made a pretty good point about that. So there I've set you. I've tossed them all. What was the point I made again? Well, no, but but what you're what you're looking at is what a healthy individual likely have a very negative reaction to this. And you can you can model that sort of behavior and machine learning can look at patterns and say, oh, yeah, we usually when we see this molecule that causes adverse problems. Is that is that what I was getting at? Yeah. And the idea is that it's in my head. I had a kind of a narrow view of how much an AI could do. But your point was all of these are just points of data. Yeah. Like some point you gather if they let's say there are two trillion variations in a kind of biology we need to have as part of this study, it's capable of having taking that data and then working with that data. And in my head, I was thinking it was just too big, too complex. I think Kurzweil's whole point is we will get to the point maybe sooner than later that it won't be that complex. It won't take that much time. He is advocating. Let's use AI to narrow it down. He's not advocating we don't we can skip human trials or anything. Another one of Engler's points is beware accuracy predictions. They may be skewed. I don't think this applies to Kurzweil because he's not saying an accuracy prediction in this case, but it's it's worth bearing in mind when you're evaluating AI claims if 90 of a hundred people are healthy and an AI detects six unhealthy people, it can claim 96% accuracy because it said, Oh, 90 are healthy, six are unhealthy. But it's missing 40% of the unhealthy people because it only detected six of the 10 unhealthy people. So you have to be aware how those numbers can be massaged. Yeah, I mean, I love itself. It's an actual this is so Kurzweilian, if that's a word. He says, given the exponential nature of progress on this field, I believe by the end of the decade, we'll be able to realistically model all biology and simulate interventions for diseases without the need of human trials. Like if that is not, yeah, that's like saying that will happen in 10 years. Kurzweil likes to say he has an 86% success rate of predicting things. Other people take issue with that, noting that in fact we did have a bust and he predicted we wouldn't have one and, you know, all that he missed the dot-com bust, among other things, but he's not saying we need that now. He's saying we do need AI to help narrow it down. Also, Engler says real world deployment generally degrades AI performance. So even if it's good in the machine, it won't be as good in public. So keep that in mind. I don't think that hurts Kurzweil's case here. You must enable an intervention to really matter. That's built in where the intervention is you actually are going to create a vaccine and you're going to do clinical trials. AI is good at minute details, not big events. In this case, that's a positive to Kurzweil. He's saying I don't want to pick the trends of who's going to get the virus. I want to come up with this minute thing that will cause the virus to go away. Don't forget AI will be biased. I think that is a big problem with vaccine research is that you will be training it in the human side on data that will be biased. It's very difficult to find unbiased data out there that treats all humans equally and will work with everyone. But I guess if it works in some humans, it's likely to work in most. So that may not be fatal to this. And the future of AI systems is more promising. And in fact, Angular sites, AI-designed drugs starting human trials as an example where AI is doing well. So overall, I think Kurzweil's prediction in this case passes the Angular test fairly well. Maybe between now and then, we build an AI that can predict whether Kurzweil's predictions are going to be correct. And then we can make another AI on top of that that will pull. Let's train a machine learning algorithm on Kurzweil's past predictions and results. It's a great idea, Scott. Good to work on that. You can't just train him. He's only one person. That's right. 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