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This guy right here, man. Heartbeaches in the building. One of the coldest producers, beat makers, engineering guys you ever want to run into, man. He ain't got a heartbeat, he ain't breathing. Man. That's fake. What's going on, brother? I ain't saying the same thing. Different day, brother. This Boss Talk 101, man. It has to be in Dallas, man. Say it, man. Welcome to Dallas, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Man is going down. And man. Yes, sir. And man. I got to ask you, what is the halo over the heroes for? Both of my logos are positive stuff, right? So I feel like you know how people like kill them already. And I don't know if there's an actual kill them already. No shot to them. Okay. I just feel like heroes are saving people's career. Maybe not saving people's career, but let's say you were trying to find some good beats. You just wouldn't hit them. Come holly to heroes, you feel what I'm saying? They're going to save you. So that's basically what I did. Okay, I got it. I like it. Heartbeaches, all my beats come from the heart. Okay. Okay. So before we get into how you started and all of that, I want you to tell me what was it like growing up? Do you have siblings? Yeah, I got two sisters and a little brother. And a little brother. So you were really like big brother to everybody there? No. No? I mean, I was next to the youngest. Yeah, like how far apart were you? Well, my sister is a year older than me. And my sister like six years older than me. But being the first boy, you know first boys are usually like, they act like they even the oldest, even although they're not the oldest one, but because you're the boy. Yeah, I can see that. That's the reason why I was like, you're like the big brother, sort of. Maybe it's my little brother, but my sister's a new girl. I don't know, it was just... Oh, they may handle you. Nah, they may handle me. They just, they may handle other people. Okay. So they didn't need that. That ain't a lie. Well, I didn't see my sister, both my sisters jump a dude or two by four. No. But she was in the hospital. Really? Yeah, my sister's the one that I played with. They don't play? Yeah. Wow. Shout out to my sisters, man. One of them's a scientist now. She's a... Oh, that's cool. And she's a, although I'm not gonna say it wrong, she's an oceanographer, a marine scientist. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know what you're talking about. She actually got paid to get a master's degree. Marine biologist. Is that what she is? Yeah, yeah. I think so. She got paid to get a master's degree. Like she's super, super, super, super smart. Like... What city is she living? New Orleans. New Orleans? Okay, that's cool. Yeah, shout out to my other sister. She's just a family woman, raised all her kids. She got two more to cross that line, you know, with graduation. But one of my nephew, he plays football for Ole Miss. Oh, that's dope. Oh, yeah. Is he good? He's a good rough. Oh, yeah, he's super good. What position? He got a full year... Full right. Yeah, full right. Wow. Full year scholarship. He's super good, though. That's cool. So were y'all raised by mom and dad? In the household, or...? Man, I ain't gonna lie. My childhood is like a puzzle, bro. I ain't gonna lie to you this. Why? All right, I'm from Oregon, but... Wait a minute. You say you're from Oregon, or are you from Mississippi? I'm from Oregon. I moved to Mississippi at 11. Okay. At 11? Okay. I really didn't move. I got sent down here. So a lot of stuff was going on in Oregon before I was 11. You got sent? Yes, I got sent down here. So, hold on. Who were you living with in Oregon? Let's put the puzzles together. Not your dad? Nah, my dad was gone. My mom got remarried to a guy. Okay. My pops was gone for like... I didn't know where he was for like three years. But you knew your dad? Yeah, I knew my pops. They was married at first. My pops used to beat me a lot, so she ended up divorcing him because of that. Why did he just beat you? Because I was the boy. You the only boy? Were you bad? Yeah, but it was kind of like my conditions. You know what I'm saying? Let's say I'm three. I've been one time at three years old. Like I got a... I got a beat going down the stairs. Like he whipped me the whole way while I'm falling downstairs to the floor. At three? Yeah. I've been through the same thing. For playing with his walkie-talkie thing. Like my dad, it was... My dad was strict too, so I get it. I went to school and they took us clean out. Like we were foster home and shit after that. So like she ended up leaving my pops. She got remarried to a guy that eventually ended up getting drunk, kidnapping her, holding her hostage in my grandma's house. And this happened in... In Oregon. Oregon. Yeah. So how old were you when she divorced your dad? She was 11 and they was married. I was probably like seven, eight. Seven, eight. Okay. Did you ever see him beat on your mom too? Or was he just... He would know. He would just hit you. No, no. My dad had a drinking problem back then. Me and my dad are like best friends now. Now. Back then he had a drinking problem. And I guess whatever they separated, like it reflected on him. Because when we came back, like when we got sent down here back to him. So he was down here? Yeah, when we got sent back down here to Mississippi, he was a whole different person. You know, like if we got a whipping in, it's going to be later on in the day when he's not mad no more and it's going to be right on our butt. We got to stand in front of him. He's going to, you know, he does right on our butt each time. So he recognized he made a mistake. Fact. So the reason why you got sent down, okay, so go back to... She got kidnapped. That's ultimately why I got sent down. My mom was kidnapped by her own... Her husband. They could look it up. She was about to divorce him. And they were separated. As far as living, we had our own house. And one day he came like two o'clock in the morning while we was all asleep. And he come and kidnapped her and bring her to my grandma's house. It was like maybe 40, 50 miles away from us. And because she owned a lot of property on the mountain. So they went... And that's her mom. It's her mom. Okay. That's where her adopt... My mom was adopted at birth. So she was an adopted mom. Okay. But he had a hostage out in her barn until like six or seven in the morning. Something like that. By that time my grandma had called the police. They had the building surrounded. Because she was there. She was there. And she ended up... I don't know how she ended up getting away. She ended up fooling him, kind of getting away. And he ended up going out to chase her in the building. It was surrounded by all the police. He got shot. Yeah, the negotiator. He had pointed the gun at the negotiator, but then he turned around, put the gun in his mouth. And that's when the police shot him. Like seven times to kill them. Like right there in front of my mom and everybody. So like... But he was already about to kill himself. That's what I said. Yeah. So that kind of made me like... I ain't gonna lie. Because he was a cool pops. I mean he was a social worker. Had bread. Like, you know... Good dude. He was a cool step-pops. But he lived up to your mom. He didn't want... So... Nah, I ain't gonna get into it. It's it. It was crazy. So it kind of made me like... When I was in and out of like... Juvenile, the homes for, you know, boys, mental institutions, like foster care. If all the kids ended up going to foster care, you know what I'm saying? Like... And so my mom ended up going crazy. Like, and she straightened out like... Did y'all ever... The kids had to split up like when y'all went into foster care. Sometimes they keep them together. I went to a horrible foster home. What happened? It's just the foster parents like... They were just out... They were super old for one and they were mean. It's like they only just wanted kind of like a little... Some of the clean up roundhouse type, you know. Like my Cheerios, they used to put oranges in it because they didn't eat milk. So I got to eat Cheerios and oranges. With orange juice. You feel me? My sister and my brother, my older sister, she was old enough to live with my mama. Okay. But my younger sister, the ones close to my age and my brother, they went to a foster home with horses and like loving parents and like they still cool to this day right now. And they had poverty. But you just had the luck of the draw. And they had each other. I'm over there way on the other side of time with these old folks. I don't even know who they are. Like that's how much of... They didn't have no impact on my life. You feel what I'm saying? My brother, I'm still cool with the other lady. You feel me? But... That's the part... Hey man, that's your story, man. And what it does, it mows you into who you are today, whether you like it or not. Thanks. You know? And you seem like you turned out pretty good at me. You turned out great. So how did you end up on that piano, man? Let's talk about that. That house that they were at with the bar, she had a piano and a pool table. And I taught myself how to play Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star one time. You taught yourself. When I was six. I was, you know what I'm saying? And I was like, I taught myself how to do that. So I used to go over that shit so I'm able to play a couple of things. But when I went to my grown-ups house, that's what I would go to, the piano and the pool table. Like I'm super good at pool, too. Come on, bro. Super good at pool. Yeah. Trick shot champion type. This thing go right here, y'all. Y'all heard that, y'all. Don't bleed a high ticket. Man, you better go to my Instagram page. I don't see shots you've never seen in life. See if you really get out like that, man. I'm trying to tell you. Say, all them trick shots. I never get to know where. All them trick shots you gonna have to leave them behind? I ain't never been without a pool table. Oh yeah? All your life? I ain't never been when we moved from Oregon to Mississippi. It was a lady who had, I forgot her name, she had like a little, you can go buy some food or something like that in the, right in the projects and it was a pool table. So that's what me and my homeboy go play pool all the time. Have you ever lost? Yeah, you ain't allowed. You ain't allowed. You play a lot, you gonna lose. I'm super good at pool. Like really, really good. You began with? Nah. Cause I'm gonna be ready to kill me, bro. I'm ready to be the pool, bro, like for real. So the piano thing, like that was your first stroke of the draw when it came to the music, man. Like, did you know at that point that you wanted to do music or did you kind of bump into it later on? What I knew then is that somebody all over the world was gonna know me. I didn't know what for. But I knew that. Like even back then when I was a little kid, you go at it and right now fast forward, I get people hitting me up from Africa, Russia, all over the place. Oh, it's hard. Everywhere, you know what I'm saying? But I didn't know I was gonna be a producer. When I moved down here from Oregon, my dad bought me a keyboard. And so I ended up playing it till I got good enough to play for a church. And I started playing for the church. And I ended up making a beat on the church keyboard. And my cousin was home for the all-star weekend. Jonathan Bender, he got drafted out of high school. I don't know if you ever heard of him. Yeah, that's that. Yeah, I definitely, when I was looking you up, I seen that. And you and him pretty close. Yeah, that's who got me started on the music. So I ended up bringing the keyboard home to my grandma's house where I was living. And he was there visiting for all-star weekend. And I played the beat for him. He was like, man, you made that? It's like, man, I'm from the starter record label. He said, you're gonna be my beat man. And he really did start the record label. And KLC was his beat man. Really? KLC was. That's a big move. So he basically. That's who would mix and record most of our music until he got crack tracks. I don't know if you ever heard of him. His name is Law. He would rock nation now. But that's who I was shadowing up under him. And a guy named IG, which ATL Jacob, is signed to him now. Okay. So fast forward, I'm shadowing up under producers. Nice producers. Went on the beat. Not no shabby producer. And then Mac Main. I was living with Mac Main. So these guys lived a while before all the young money stuff, all this stuff. Man, how did you meet him? My cousin in the NBA. Mac Main had a little song on the radio in New Orleans. He was going to sign him to his label. But I think Mac Main wanted like a hundred grand. He knew my cousin had it. He from New Orleans. He was a little smart on the business end. We from Piggie Union. I was trying to get a hundred bands out of him. I got a song on the radio. My cousin didn't want to do it. But during that whole Incubator stage, he was doing music with us and stuff. He was living in my cousin's condo with me. Mac Main. I met him one night at the Palms Hotel. I'll never forget it. He just changed the number. He been had the same number like 20 years. He just changed the number. Why would he do that after having it so long? I'm pretty sure he had other numbers. But like if you had that number, you could get it up until probably about two or three months ago. You got the new number. No, he got the new number. I ain't asking for the new number. Yeah, that's my boy. But I ain't asking for the new number or nothing like that. He can reach him if he needs to reach him. I mean, I'll just inbox him. Most of the time, we just talk on Instagram through the inbox. Inbox? Yeah, up until he changed the number. He had a Miami number back the last time I went to Miami and pulled up on him. But I ain't have it. So you've seen him when he went to Young Money and all that stuff happened. What was it? Were you proud of him when he went to Young Money? It was one of the most inspiring things because it's something I know. I used to live with you, bro. We pulled up to Xavier University in one of my cousin cars every day. Like that was our everyday thing. Yeah. My cousin in Indiana, he had 14 cars in the mansion next door. I got the keys to the mansion with all the cars, experience. Sorry, cuz you probably didn't ever know. No, I'm gonna put it on. You sure, you know what I'm saying? We just grabbing a car, going to Xavier and that's what a man would go over there and rap. And like, here's a star freestyle and then everybody would crowd around us, bro. Like everybody. He was that good? What? He don't know what I'm rapping. Everybody just stand around, just listen to him rap, bro. Everybody. I'm like, I'm seeing like, that my boy. But he would have me around like all the like super-blankin' Jake Gutter, all them like, you know what they were saying? Yeah. It was his real partners and stuff. They shooting basketball and stuff. I didn't know at the time. I'm like, actually you couldn't know at the time cuz they didn't have. They didn't formulate yet. Yeah, they hadn't formulated yet. So when you see him formulate, and I'm not gonna go into too much detail on it, but when you see him make that move, did you feel like he got a good deal on the move when he made it? Cuz he became the president of it. But he was just so smart. Like, I learned a lot of stuff from that man just the little time we was, you know what I'm saying? Live together just as hard as a business since, you know what I'm saying? Like, he could assign to this NBA player and where we had everything. We had all the chains. We had all the cars. We had everything from the looks. It would have been it. But he knew. Like, he knew something else. Something greater. He knew what I'm saying? Like, he could have went a whole different direction. He knew what I'm saying? He knew something great. He knew what I'm saying. He knew what I'm saying. He felt something. Yeah, it was just crazy. I remember going to visit him after I had moved back from New Orleans. I had moved to Mississippi. And I went back and visited him in New Orleans and he had like a Magnum. Also 24 was 22 or something. And he had another car, also 22 or something. And he was living in an apartment. Now, back when I was living with him, he had a busted up Chevy Tahoe. He remember that black Tahoe, but he used to get them A to B. You get those both A to B. Yeah, yeah. So I did not walk into the apartment. You got a little fish tank with little fish that hit each other in the head and stuff. I'm like, okay, you know, he called up. That's when he told me. He was like, yeah, you know, I just started fooling with. It wasn't even young money back then. It was, I think it was squad or something like that. Squad or something like that. Yeah, it was. It could have been young money, but it could have been like the very beginning stages of it. And I'm like, I congratulated because I was already like one of the biggest stars on the planet, you know what I'm saying? So you know whatever he got going on, if it'd be huge too. It would be huge. And that was the peak of it. Yeah, just from there, just seeing it just go crazy. And I'm seeing it watching them on one, I'm seeing some pause and watching them. Like, bro, I was just living. I must say that inspired your drive. 100%. I'd have been around a lot of people that ended up blowing each time. Like even the J.D. Young situation, like I made him with 2,000 followers. I had 5,000. So to see you go to 3 million, it just lets me know like, man, you just got to keep going. And eventually you're going to have whatever you, you know, whatever you try to get. That's so funny that you said that because I know a lot of people in that I'm sure would have been like, why is everybody around me going, but I'm not going at that point, at that time? Did you ever get that feeling? No, I knew about timing. I knew about timing. It's something that's always been preached to me from day one. You know, when it's your time, it's your time. That's good. And then another thing, like, I was producing and picking you. Like, they didn't have another me at the time. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was that good. So it was like, I was cool with the, you know. The movement. Yeah, I was like, I wasn't getting my just due. I just, I knew I had to grow it. You know what I'm saying? I feel like if I would have blew up back then, it would have been a whole different story. I'm young. I probably did stupidest stuff with the money. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I was, when J.D. Young blew up, I wouldn't got everything I'm supposed to have. You feel what I'm saying? Like, crib, cars, wives, everything. Like, you know, you feel it. Let's talk about J.D. Young, man. Like, I heard you say in another interview that his work ethic was like on a whole other level. What was it that, how did you guys end up just even coming together? He just found you because you was doing music already. His older cousins. I used to, I used to record his older cousins. I told you, it's my third generation. Okay. This once, I've been doing it 22 years. I hit 30. That's three generations. Man. So I'm into my third generation right now. And his older cousins used to record in my studio. And I had, I had set him up a studio at his spot. Like, I gave him the template. I told him everything to go buy and stuff like that. So once J.D. Young started growing up, he would record by his cousin house because they had the best studio. You see what I'm saying? Because I set him up right. So one time, J.D. Young was doing a mixtape with Scotty Kane and they called me to engineer it because they wanted, you know, Scotty Kane was living more advanced. They wanted a real engineer. His cousin, the rap that recorded him can't really record like me, but he can get the job done. Shout out to Boono, that's his name anyway. So when I recorded J.D. Young for that tape, it was a rap. He didn't want nobody else to record him from that point on. Because I'm so fast, bro, like I record super fast and it's fast and efficient. And then like whatever you thinking of, I'm finna do that already. Because I'm a recorded so many artists, like I know what you thinking already. Nine times out of ten, you feel me? And I was just, you know, it's like if you get stuck, I'll write too. So I can throw you a line. You ain't stuck no more. You feel what I'm saying? What was the first song that went crazy stupid for J.D. Young and you that you produced that you knew like this is crazy? I didn't know it, but mud brother. At the time, I think the track I did for BG or PMC had the most views. There you go. Just stop right there. He said the magic word. Anytime you say PMC in here, bro, you can just shut it down right there. We got to stop and talk about PMC anytime. Nothing else really matters at that point for me. You could say it's like you're gonna blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So let's talk about Pimp. That's hard right there. For you to be done rocked out with Pimp, work with Pimp. What's up? I'm telling my third gen on this. Steve, Steve, Steve be a true story. True story, little bitch. Man. I was so long ago I didn't even have a tag. Hard B is on track, didn't even exist. They called me an OJ matter of fact back then. Oh, yeah? So true story, you produced that. That's hard, man. I produced that whole true story out, actually. How was it working with Pimp? Did you work with him face to face? Yeah, I ain't never recorded PMC. I've been on stage with PMC while he performed my song though. That was hard. What city was that? Hattiesburg. Hattiesburg, he performed for the Cupid. He knew you? Yeah, I was on stage with them. They performed my song. He knew me for sure. The last thing PMC ever told me was there's a release party and he put his arm around me and told me whenever I start using live instruments, I'm out of here. Wow. He said, when you start using them, they say, I love your beats. He said, but when you start using them live instruments, he said, you gone. And that was true. I mean, it could be. Was that what sets you apart once you started doing that? No, because he know we got the technology, right? It's a technology. Isn't it? Is it a piano or live instrument? It is. Yes. And I use a lot of PMC. But you already were using the PMC. Yeah, right. Right. Right. I'm just thinking about how technology is, bro. I'm more, I get it. I do have a couple of people that come in and like, you know, play the guitar and stuff, something like that. And I make the beat around them and stuff like that. But, you know, PMC was a big real live instrument fan. How that whole situation ended up coming about, though, I had a partner down in name 17. That was signed to him a long time ago. Y'all probably know 17. It went viral all kind of time. But anyway, I produced that whole PMC present 17. I produced the whole album. PMC only did two PMC presents, Boots and Webby and 17. Man. That was live. Yeah. 17 actually is dope artist. I heard some of this stuff. It was dope artist. You know, just a litany of things that Pimp had his hand in. Pimp had his hand in, I was watching, you know, to be honest with you. Yeah, so he came down there. He would come, I think they did an album release part of the Mississippi Pimps. He came down there. He came and met the whole family and all that stuff. I didn't go to that, but I do remember everybody, you know, talking about it. Right before the show. I went to the show that was right after the. Great. I'll always be like you. Yeah. But that's what was Pimp like. I guess when he went when you knew that he had link with 17 was that big for the city or huge? It was he, everybody. It was crazy how he even happened. We're in the studio. I had just met 17. He had paid me for album for some beats. He paid him for all the beats up front and then left for like a year and didn't pick out no beats. So I'll be back to pick out my beats. I ain't seeing no more for a whole year. A year. That's crazy. He came back a year later. All right. I'm ready to pick him out. So he picked out all the beats. He came to the studio. We're in the studio session and somebody asked him, man, who are you? You know, have you want to do a song with? And he was like, man, I always want to do something with PMC because he had just bought a yoghati verse. I produced that. So he was playing with some paper? Yeah. He was like quarter million up at the time. That's hard. I feel him. He was just bought a passenger truck verse, a Bo Hager verse. I produced all of them. He like he really helped me out. That was early on in my career. And then he said he wanted to work with PMC. And it was a guy named Mon in our studio session. He had a camera. And Mon, he on the closing store in Gulfport, he was like a master for him. So he said, man, PMC was just at my clothing store last week because he had just performed on the coast. He was like, I got his number. 17 said, call him. He called him. 17 walked outside. He came back in. He told me in Icebury. He said, I need two beats. So I'm going to go to Texas tomorrow. I'm going to do two songs with him. And we made true story on spot. Icebury put a couple of signs in there too. And then he took another beat that I had made. And the PMC guy, you know, getting on both of these. The other one was Keith Sweat. I don't know if you ever heard that one. Hadn't heard it. But that's hard to listen, man. But listen, let me tell you something. So 17 walked out of the studio. He came back inside. I needed two beats. He flew back. He flew to Texas the next day. Did a song with him. He charging $14,000 for the verse from what 17 tells me. I don't know. He said he ended up giving the most of the money back and just signing him to UGK. And doing the project with him. That's hard, man. Like I said, that's a hard story, man. For you to be had your fingers all in it, you was all up in that. I never would have knew that, man. It's a trade generation. Man, I think that's live. Man, you so young. I'm a trade replacement. Trade is true. Trade is true? Yeah, man. Some of that. He on the wall up there with me. I got a name, Smoky Loco, headboarded the verse from him. And that was my first time hearing an industry artist on my beat. What's trade? Trade is true. How did it sound? Did you like it? Yeah, I like it. I ain't believe it hard. I ain't even heard of him before. You know what I'm saying? But then Bro was bragging about the bro from Texas, the guy who did the song. He knew it was going to be fine. Man, what? Man, Tray got a low tempo but hard. You know, it's kind of just a crisp. You know what I'm talking about? It's a grainy like. But that whole going to go. And he still got fans? Are you like... Oh, come on, man. Trade is true. Yeah, man. Tray really, you know, he had his situations last year, but I want to be honest with you, man. When you don't put the work in them guys and put in down there in Houston, man, it's hard to get around that, man. That's history and legacy. And they don't really need nobody. They already self-made, you know what I mean? And that's what I love about them. They came in at a good time, too. Oh, yeah. They respected, too, for what they accomplished. And they different. You can't take away the difference. Let me answer your question. So, okay, because I know, honest is different with producer. Like all of the old beats that you've done back in the days when you first started, stuff like that. Do you ever still like listening to those? Because, you know, as people grow, and you just change, they usually hate. You in Mississippi, man. They usually hate. You don't think... Because you've grown so much from it. I do know... Crib used to be your... I'm sorry, babe, friend. Big Crib, my boy. He blew up and he unfriended me. He blocked you? Now, he ain't blocked me just unfriended him out. He switched up. I looked at him one time. I said, all right, we ain't friends on him no more. Because he... I met him at the ACL Awards. Okay. Bro, I can still got the picture right now. I didn't know who they was. I'm the guy in there with the change. You and that whole dark it up, yeah. And he came and asked me to take a picture. I got the picture, and he would tag me on Facebook. I still got the screenshot of the tag and everything. And then I think... Tagging blew up. He changed up. Damn. But that's how I be, though. You know, all right? He probably got a lot of stuff going on. I'm proud of him, man. It's all people, man. Because you want to keep the numbers down, too, at the same time. You feel like a lot of people don't like that. They follow, count up. And me and him didn't have a personal relationship. Of course. You know what I'm saying? I linked up at the ACL Awards before he blew up, man. That was like the extent of it, but... Did you like his music? Loved it, yeah. What did you like most about it? Because he say, you know, he get the Texas sound that he was saying. He give him much respect. Exactly. What I like about him, probably his delivery. Yeah. Like, the way he delivers his songs. You know what I'm saying? Like, he depicts his words very well. Make sure that you can hear everything he's saying. And he always has a message. Like, always has some type of, you know, some type of message behind the stuff. Wait a minute. You know, I don't forget nothing, man. Oh, Rich Boy, man. Where's he from? He from down there? Alabama. Okay, okay. He over there with Brett when it came to him. Yeah, I remember Rich Boy. Yeah, I seen a lot of stuff lately about him. And it don't look crazy. I've seen it, too. I got a couple of mutual friends. Yeah, and I don't know how... I liked it, man. I definitely would like to talk to him. Yeah, just prayers up to him. Prayers up, man. For real, anytime somebody going through it, man, you know, because everybody can bounce back. Shout out to Jaheem, man, where he at. I ain't seen him lately. There's a couple of them out there. Man, you got to think about it, though, man. That's precious. I just talked to my partner yesterday about basketball. Like, he was a very good athlete and didn't make it to the NBA. And I was just asking, like... How did it affect you? Does that mess with you mentally? And I'm pretty sure music does the same thing. Just imagine, all right, you have a hit song. A big song. And they give you two, three million and you just fly through there because you, 19 or 20, you know that by the time you 22, 23, you're going to have another huge song. But sometimes you just don't have it. Sometimes that next one don't come. You feel what I'm saying? And it's just like, now you got the pressure of everybody coming up to you, asking you this stuff all the time. I can't even step out of the house without people bringing it, bringing that up. And it's just like, it's... But one thing with the huge song was I've met people who've only had one huge song. Especially if it's legendary. They still even get booked to go perform that one song. You gotta be mentally. That's a mega hit. Right. A mega, mega hit. But Rich Boyz's song was hard, nigga. You remember when that first came out? I do remember when the first came out. We do. But Axial Kids. Oh, they ain't gonna know nothing about that. You still don't say it. Yeah, yeah. That unless it comes on TikTok. But Axial Kids, have they heard Chopper Style? Yeah. That's something. That's they, everybody know Chopper Style. Yeah. Still right now, I'm still be seeing Reels right now, Chopper Style. This song, 20 years old. What keeps a lot of these songs alive, the old songs to me is TikTok, because they bring it right back in one. Because when my child tell me she know certain songs, I say, how you TikTok they did a Reel on there? Yeah. And that's the only reason she know she don't know the whole song. She just know that part that they clip and put in there. That's about it. That's about it. So I remember the City Girl did that with Chopper Style song. Yeah, they did. But I'm just saying like a mega hit, bro, you still gonna listen to that 20 years later, like when it's a mega hit, and those are the ones that still get booked off that one song. We'll get back to J.D. Young and man, because like I said, when that happened, it was weird to me how it happened. The night that, the time I found out about it, like, well, you being so closely knitted to him, kind of how did, when you heard about it, that he ain't gotten killed? Because he hit them in there fast. Thanks. I tried to hit them up. I just said to him, you okay? Oh shit, the message never even delivered. It never delivered. No. My partner had called me, Wayne had called me instead of, man, check on J.D. Young. I heard he just got killed by him on my sister's house. How far is that from where you at? Hattiesburg, like 35, 40 minutes or something like that. And it's just, I called him and he answered, I just text him. But we've had people tell us that before, like, man, J.D. Young just got killed. I called him and he was like, man, listen to that shit. I was hoping it was another situation like that. But was he just in the streets that much? J.D. Young got killed. It was something that had nothing to do with him. I don't want to say too much online. Of course. But it ain't had nothing to do with him. You would think all that, all that stuff, all that stuff would have caught up to him, but nah, it had nothing to do with him. The reason why they basically killed J.D. Young because he was the head of the ship, head of the snake. They said if you cut the head off, it might have died. That's basically what it was all for. Yeah, so you, but you being that you, because I talked to DJ Choson, DJ Choson, he produced for Fred O'Baines and he say a lot of times, he said it was, yeah, it was dangerous being in the studio doing the stuff with him. Did you ever feel that way when you was dealing with J.D. Young? Until I built my new facility, yeah. You felt that way? I mean, I'm not really, not like something gonna happen because I always keep my studio pretty secure, but I understood it could be a crazy situation happening at any time. One time I was doing a show with my city and I had booked J.D. Young and I think, I think it was ACE2, I forgot. But anyway, they kept calling me all day telling my $20,000 or else it ain't gonna be no show or something like that. And we finna pull up over there to that studio because I know he over there. Ain't nobody ever pulled up though. So that was his important thing. Now I plugged in with some pretty good people down there, so like. So the thing you gotta understand is you guys, how long did you, would you say you and him work together from start to finish? 2016, 2017 to 2022. Yeah. Wow. His own career. When I met him here in 2005. Yeah, yeah, you said that. And it's like, that was, do you, and I don't want to see it, but do you think you'll ever deal with anybody that scale like that or move like that ever again in your career? I don't know because it was, it was unheard of what was going on with JD Younger. Like he took off like a wildfire. Like it was crazy, bro. Like I remember, I didn't even know he had blown. Like somebody had to come tell me that. Like I had, I had let one of my partners ride with me down to Bogalusa to go pick up some money that he owed me. JD Younger owed me for some recording. And when we got back, I guess a couple weeks ago, I mean a couple weeks later, he made a post and it was like, I just realized that was JD Younger in the truck with me and Heartbeats when I rolled with him to go pick up some, or roll with him to Bogalusa or whatever. I'm like, I'm reading the post. Like, okay, there's just another guy recording in my studio. Why are you saying that? When that boy said, boy, if you don't know boy JD Younger, and his lit boy, he went pulling out the, what you call it, showing me all the numbers. Like it's, it's tough. So at first I wouldn't even make any beats. I'm just recording all his music and mixing it. I wouldn't just start seeing these numbers. Practice on any of the beats for the while. You feel me? Yeah. A year later, I showed him a beat finally. And he rapped on it. And that was the song I was telling you earlier, Mutt Brothers. Mutt, yeah. He came out, put it on Word of Star, he had 4.4 million views. That was the first time I ever hit. That many views. Yeah. So JD Younger was different, bro. Like he might have did a lot of stuff, but his passion for music was unmatched, bro. Like he would have stayed in the studio all the time. If I could just work 24 hours, 7 days a week, he wouldn't even lift. He wouldn't even lift. No, after I showed him that beat, his albums prior to that, I didn't have no beats on them. But his next album after that, I had 14 beats on them. I had got five of my hero's producers on them, and nine of my own beats on them. That was February 23, which is the biggest album to date right now. Wow. Every album after that, I'd be having like 10 beats on them, 12 beats, every album after that, even though he just dropped. Crazy, the stories they tell. Like double A, he said the same thing when he dealt with NBA Young Boy or Kodak Black and how they scale. It's crazy how, you know what I mean? How quick you can't. You don't know. It's like you just say like a fire. Just take all you, ain't nothing you could do, but just try to figure out how to get an algorithm. See, I've passed the word. He first signed with Cinematic. We go out to LA. I'm getting it. Uber is asking people to do it because I think Elimination here just won't go one of them songs or interstate. So I'm asking people, do they know J.D. Young? Blah, blah, blah. You know, I produce with J.D. Young. I'm thinking they know him because he hot as firecracker down in the sound. Yeah, they don't know him. I agree. I believe that. We come back a year later. A year later. Nobody that I asked didn't know him. Nobody, like not one person. Oh, yeah, I know him. Even if they don't know him by name, as soon as I pull up and show him this guy, the hair. Oh, the hair. Oh, yeah, I know him. He's got 23 islands from him, yeah. Wow, that's crazy. But when, okay, so when a rapper finds a producer that they love to work with, they usually just stick with that person. J.D. Young. But then, okay, but with a producer, do you all normally just, because most producers have a certain sound, like sometimes some people can listen to a song, not even know who produced it, whatever, and be like, oh, that's just such, because it's like they have a certain style. Even if you didn't hear the tag. They definitely do that with mine. They have a certain style. But then if a certain rapper sticks with a producer too long, I mean, they only have that certain style and not switch it up. I was a little smarter than that. I went and signed Heroes that I knew made other sounds to J.D. Young. Got other beat makers in there. You see what I'm saying? So like, if he come, I might show him all my beats. He might not be feeling them. Right. But I put, I got some of my Heroes beats in the mix too, you see what I'm saying? He'll choose one of them or whatever, you know? That's what you're missing out on. All of my producers got placements on J.D. Young's project. Everyone, I don't have a Hero that I haven't had on his project. I got like six producers saying to me, but it's like 30 producers all together. That's what I was wondering, how many producers you have? All of them nationwide, yeah. Wow. Do you think, what do Jonathan think about you when he see you now? He call me all the time. What he be saying, like, dang. Proud. He proud of his good investment. I don't know how he feels about, like, he don't make man being, you know, slipping away from him and stuff like that. But he definitely started some things that, man, it probably might not even have gotten done if he didn't make it pro. Because when he stopped doing the music, he gave me his studio. So I automatically had an A1 studio. He said, you know what I'm saying? Like, just gave me all his equipment. Unless the studio you have right now? No. Of course. I was about to say. He got the biggest one. I know, but I didn't know if it, like, expanded and kept that one of this expanded bigger. There. I started Heartbeats Studios in 2010. But I think I had been away from him since, like, old Sikhs or something like that. I was just asking how proud he is of you to see how you've moved forward. Because he played and helped plant that seed. He let's that be known all the time. And I'm gonna let it be known. That's because you should. That's probably all the time, yeah, for sure. As you should. I moved down here in 1996. He got drafted in 1999. So, like, when I moved down, I only had to go through, like, three years of the bullshit. You feel what I'm saying? Till he called. He put my whole family on payroll. Wow. All my uncles and aunties, everybody, like, everybody would give them money per month. You feel me? Like, everybody had jobs and stuff that they did. That's a good write-off, too. Damn good write-off. Why so? But why you had that gap? You said 2010 is when you started your Heartbeats Studio, but then you left him in 2006. So you had a four-year gap in between where you weren't at a studio? Yeah. Why and what happened? I was, I had moved to Atlanta right after Katrina for, like, a year. But I had a studio because I had my studio picking you. That's what it was. So I would come back and forth and stuff like that to come. As a matter of fact, I had a travel studio, too. So, like, it wasn't really a travel studio, but I made it a travel studio. It was a lot of equipment to be here. Moving around, yeah. Because when I moved to Atlanta, I didn't have, like, a whole lot of clients and stuff. I was just, you know, going out on a wing and a prayer. I was producing with Tyler Perry's brother back then. He was, Tyler Perry just blew up. Like, just, just blew up. Boy, you've been working. So his brother was coming with them Cree's been hunting there every time. You feel his name? His brother rap? His brother had an artist. Oh, I don't know how to say it. The R&B artist. What's his brother name? Embry Perry. Embry Perry. Yeah, Embry Perry. And I ain't seen him since then. You won't. No, he was working for him up there. Yeah, I remember you telling me Tyler Perry had built him a barber shop or something like that, like a brand new one or whatever. Tyler Perry just blew up. Like, just, just blew up. But, uh, so I... Did you know Tyler? No, I ain't know Tyler. But you know they from New Orleans. That's what I heard. So the artist that I was producing for was from New Orleans, too. But we was all in Atlanta, feeling it. So that come by some beats and stuff like that. But at that time, I was coming, like, I might stay in Atlanta like two, three weeks and I come back to, um, picking him and come to record. Oh, it was a studio called Finish Line Studios. That's where I, that's where my equipment was. Oh, okay. It was in the garage at, um, at my partner's house. So I come back, you know, every now and again and come over. Does anybody have... When you said a travel studio, I'm like, does anybody actually have a travel studio that they travel around, like, in the United States and the court? I mean, not really. It's just a laptop and headphones and the mic. No, I'm talking like a re... Oh, yeah, that's all you need. I mean, go look at, uh, your gotty page right now. They were just recording in his, uh, Maybach the other day. I think it was Maybach yesterday. I just seen it somewhere. So you don't have to have, like, soundproof stuff? Yeah, car is one of the best soundproof booth you could... Really? If you, if you, if I'm sitting in a car and you sitting on the side of me and I'm talking to you with a normal voice, are you going to get anything outside? No, but if you blasted music, I can hear it. No, you don't blast the music while you're recording. All they're recording is the mic. Music down, you got the headphones on. Yeah. You feel, you know what I'm saying? The only thing, the car serving is your booth now. You feel me? Because it's like completely soundproofing. Yeah, it's about, you know. Somebody got the screen inside the car for you to hear anything. And you say your studio is the biggest studio right now. I ain't seen another studio bigger than that. How big is it? I think it's 19 on the square feet. Something like that. You gotta come see it. How many studios you have in there? Five. You just gotta come see it. Because it is, it looks like it might be a little small outside because it's, you gotta go down here to the studio. But it's two stores. So when they come, they be like, I didn't even know this had a second store on them. But yeah, I got a game room. And I got a podcast room. Five studios in there. I got a hookah lounge in there. Full kitchen, four bathrooms. My room booth big enough to put a choir in there. I guess you want this. Wow. I heard you say about your producers. Who is the one that's making the most noise who wants to producing these beats that's working on, that's working with heroes? I don't mind. Yeah. Twisted Genius. Twisted Genius? Yeah, Twisted Genius. Oh, Twisted Genius. You ever heard of Twisted Genius? Never heard of it. I don't know if that's one of the biggest producers in the world. But yeah, he a hero too. I ain't gonna say he under me. Like we just a team. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I say, I kind of say partnership. Right, right. Twisted Genius has been a hero before. Like he signed the QC. Now he did the whole something to prove album. Really? Yeah, he did something to prove that song. He did the Favors card. He did the single with him and Wayne on that album and the one with him and Future on that album. Like he produced, he signed one of the biggest publishing deals. But yeah. Who would be next? Probably Laco. Laco got a lot of placements on Keeglock. Him and Joey. Over them. They liked to end good with Keeglock. And another artist over there, QC. I forgot his name. Tria. Tria made a lot of noise in Louisiana. Like he produced for all the upcoming artists. It's like, I ain't talking about like, like just in the pounce. I'm not like in the two or 300,000, like that stage. Like he produced and everybody go to him. How do these guys run into you? Like do they feel like, like if I can, I'm gonna join that group or do you reach out to them? Or it just happened some kind of way organically? It is happening organically. Uh, at the time I was seeking producer for JDM. It was really awesome. You know, I knew what we actually needed. You know what I'm saying? You need a beat team and that originality and stuff to stand out. And JDM, he wrapped so much, bro. Like I knew I couldn't do it by myself. Like I had. He stays in the studio. Yeah, we got probably a thousand songs right now. I want to talk to you about that. Because the last one you say y'all made was Goodbye, which is ironically something that kind of matches. It's kind of like the Mo3 outside song when he left. And you know, it's like, it's like the universe knows. You know what I mean? So he was doing a lot of good. Like what was, what, that sound, but Goodbye? You know what I mean? No, I'm talking about, he was doing a lot of like prophesying. Oh, oh, prophesying. They have like, like two pop. Even when he got killed, the song that was on his story, he's rapping about how he got killed. The exact way that how it happened in the song. Really? It was on his story when he died. Yeah. I mean, I think he posted that little snip too, but yeah. Do you believe that a lot of rappers speak things into existence? I don't believe in that shit. I think you're still a little hurt behind everything that happened. I just don't believe in speaking into existence. Shit already playing. I mean, God got all this shit written out already in my eyes. I don't feel like he was just questioning what he's going to do with our life as we live. You know what I'm saying? So like, I just, I don't even really believe in karma. I know so many bad people that got so much good shit. Dude, what about the, okay, you just said you got thousands of songs that he done. You, you have how many projects can you foresee putting together? And are you the one that's doing it? Or how does that work? Because when one dies, family and all of them start to tripping. I don't know if you experienced this, but I've talked to a lot of people who go through things where which they hurt. So you're saying who owns the rights to his music? Like who's going in there talking? Because he probably, he got a deal. So certain people with a deal, you got to deal with the company. I mean, right now he was with Atlantic and I think Cinematic was like facilitating everything. He had a lot of leeway in his situation. They're not really too strict on that. I think Poe puts together the album, which is his manager. He the one who picked out the February 23 lineup, which was his biggest album. And he just called me and said, we need these songs. Let's get a mix and master and send it into the label. That's basically the whole process. It ain't gonna, I don't argue with his family and nothing like that. I don't know where the money going as far as his sales. And he had no kids then. Did he have kids? He did have a kid. Okay. So he probably looking out for his kid. Hopefully. I don't, I don't speak on. Yeah. Because you never, you know, you never met his kids. Oh yeah. I know this whole family. Okay. So you did. You knew each other. I was all close to JD Young. That was my dog. He filled me. But he just had one kid. He had another one on the way. But I think, I think I saw him happen and the baby just ended up not leaving. Really? Yeah. That was right before he died. Really? After he died. Yeah. Well, I'll do this. So he could, he probably could have a good documentary or a good story about it. It was just by the dude. I'm writing a movie right now. He was going to be in the movie. I ain't had a chance to put him on my podcast. Why? I had started all this stuff when he was in jail, like my podcast and my mic video. Like. What's the name of your podcast? Oh, the music playground. Okay, music playground. Okay. And I was going to put him on it and all this stuff. What inspired you to start a podcast? I'm going to be real with you. I'm horribly with D, camera. So I feel like if I do my own podcast, like I can start getting away from the, you know, the camera shot shit. So I just started mine. And then like. How did it work? It helps. Yeah. Me and dub G, big how we, you know, we just talk about what we got going on. But I didn't have a lot of platform reaching out to me either. You know, we're Mississippi, bro. People really reaching out to Mississippi, like top right. You got to really make some huge noise. So I was like, man, we'll just start my own podcast and kind of tell them what I got going on myself. Wow. Did you ever get to meet David Banner? No, never met David. Yeah. Now, my cousin bought a beat from him, though, whenever he had the regular labor, and I had the trackouts to the beat. So I got, I even learn stuff from that. You know what I'm saying? Like from, from David Banner. So think about it. You Mississippi, you got Alabama, you got Texas, you got the Southern States. You got, I don't know, man. I'll be having struggle of trying to put South Carolina, they say they country, but I'll be looking at how they position. I'm sorry. And you think about it. It makes sense when you think about it, but they still the South. South like Pym. I guess. I don't know. It was in Atlanta when Pym said Atlanta wasn't the South. I know. You were, that were crazy. I don't have them stories on here. I can imagine. We was in Atlanta. Well, I didn't wear it, but 17. Full UGK regalias. Yeah. Why we in Atlanta? Man. In the studio. Man. We was in the studio when that thing aired on the radio. And when you walked outside, what did people say? What, nothing? They not feeling, they ain't nothing going down like that. They say Miami is the South too. I've heard some people. Miami is the South. Ain't that wrong, dad? I'm just saying the way of position. But at the end of the day, I was just saying that to say, do you feel like, you know, with the way things are positioned and the way you guys scale, you guys are scaling like crazy. You guys are doing music, being recognized within your own realm, like you said. We got a chicken circuit. And nothing wrong with that. You know what I mean? Like you basically go patin' them. You can go, you can go gold. You don't need much, nothing. You can do it. They got orders to do it all the time right now. But what do you think when they say, like when they were calling me, goes like the mumble rappers and stuff like that, just because we from the South and they up on the East Coast? You see what I'm saying? To me, that's just us again hating on somebody. That's an odd deal. I can read with that, but I think it's a different dialect too. Like me and you talk different then. Thanks. We go up there. You know, I go up there a lot. But still, like past the dialect, you should still be proud to know the black man winning. Like why are you getting upset? Because he rapping in a different pattern than you to the point where you don't like Southern rap. That's weird to me. You know, I had an interview with Icy, and Icy was talking about culture. And he says the different cultures are just because you're from the South and you speak a little different. We just had this conversation. And so since I speak a little different, I'm doing it different than you up there. You don't like Southern rap. To me, that's weird. That's kind of weird. To me, New York, talk different than us, but there's plenty of people I like up there. Yeah. Who is he like in New York? Fabio Hart. Fabio, you listen to that, and he's like, yeah, he Hart. He Hart. I ain't a lot of Scarlet Vaughn too though. Yeah. Scarlet Vaughn going crazy. She scares me right now. She's going crazy. She got a scar on her lips. There she is. I told you that. Yeah, Scarlet Vaughn going in. But I respect that. She used her deficiency as a benefit, I guess. You know what I'm saying? Because then she knows people are going to talk about it anyway, something like that as well. She grew up too. She ain't just, she's spitting them bars. Nah, she's 100% New York. New York. That's what they love about it. That's what they do. She's 100% New York. The way she taught the slang, the beats, the reverb they put on the songs, like it's all New York. Do you think, because what's been happening lately, in New York and on the East Coast, well, New York especially, it's been the women rappers that's been scaling more than any men over the last five to probably seven years. Yeah, women doing their thing. Am I right? Yeah, women doing their thing. You got Cardi B, Nicki Minaj. You got all these different women, right? Remy Marr, like the women is pretty young and made. They holding it down for New York. Well, you know, I don't know. The guys rapping the New York stuff is a little different. I can see New York getting into it, but like it's hard to get that New York stuff into the clubs and stuff. It never was. It never was. But the females don't just be on that sound. No, they be mixing the sound. They mixing. For sure. Yeah, go ahead, what you're about to say. Earlier we were talking about the South, the North, all of that. How do you feel about, or do you agree with a statement that says, like example BET Awards and stuff like that, that they don't really recognize, a lot of Southern rappers, Southern entertainers, and so forth. I didn't know they didn't. Who have you seen them recognize? I ain't watched the BET Awards. I've seen these, though. I'm just saying, like... No, it was just brought to my attention when I started thinking about it, like, hmm. When you think about the, I guess what you're saying is like, when you think about some of the ones that scale down here, like... Yeah, there's so many great people. I used to say this, I would always say this, like, and it's reasons because of the positioning, right? You will see a Papoose on, say, the Breakfast Club, but you've never seen D'Roll in there. He a platinum artist. Ain't that crazy? I'm just telling you. They be looking out for their own kind. And ain't that Roll, we just have to look out for our own kind. Shout out to D'Roll. He'll be here this weekend. You know what I'm talking about? I ain't just talked to him last night, he was supposed to lock in the studio, but I had a lot going on. Man, I love it here. Y'all got some stuff together already? Y'all need to get it together, man. That's going to be our first time, yeah. Tell me about how important KLC was to your career, or has been. Yeah, that's big, bro. And then for the fact, he still supports me right now. That's my boy. He's going to do it. He's going to do it. And it's just cool to have it in your corner life for the past 20 years. Like, bro, keep going. You doing your thing, bro. Keep going, keep going. You know what I'm saying? Anytime you need for some advice or something, but just to have somebody like that in your corner over these years, that's inspiring right there. He going to do it, bro. Yeah, just to know that he knows that I'm doing good. You know what I'm saying? I remember staying at night by this dude's house. I remember him when he was recording the Soul of the Slim and the BG album. I remember hearing songs on that album before it ever came out. All kinds. I remember walking in his house and seeing the plaques that were all to his roof. It's like, one day that's going to be me. You feeling it? Yeah. So you say you've been doing this for three generations now. Me and my three. And a lot of beats that you have produced have been very, very successful. Many people can't say that, say the same. So how do you stay so relevant and keep producing beats after beats after so many years? To me, I think it's the piano. I think it's the piano. And it's just me because a lot of people nowadays, they're just piecing stuff together on the beats. They go sample something and put a little drone together and send it off to their homeboy, their homeboy, do the hi-hats and then the other dude do a snare. But when I learned how to play the piano, it just kind of opened up my mind to endless amount of loops and stuff. Instead of having to wait for the next hottest sample or something like that, I could just go around and create what I need to create and from there, I've noticed that the only thing that separates the beats is between generations, is the drums. But that's it. It's just the drums. That we got the same piano, the piano ain't changed in hundreds of years, the guitar ain't changed. I'm saying they're the same instruments. You're just putting them over different types of drums like the 808 changes, the bass changes. If you can keep yourself up to date with what's in and then also make new stuff that ain't thought of, you can stay relevant. I don't have a beat that collects dust on my computer at all. So how verse are you at playing a piano from one to ten? Score storage. Not at all. Not at all. But my brother, my younger brother, the one that I inspired, he way better than me at piano. Really? Way better. See what happened to me was, no one told me I played for church. Yeah. Once I made that first beat, it was a rap on playing, learning this instrument to play live. Now I'm learning the instrument just to make beats. So you don't have to be like really verse to... No, you just have to know it. You got to be able to hear what goes to you. If you can't hear the notes, because like certain keys, they just don't go together. And people do that all the time. They'll put the stuff in there. I'll be here, you know, but you just kind of, you know, I'm really good at piano. I used to play it for church and stuff like that. I'm just saying my brother in Scott's store still is better than they can be playing live. No, John Legend. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm Scott Starch. You know who Scott is? I heard the name. He's Scott Starch. That Dre beat, well guess who's back? All of them. I think Dre had him on payroll like 5,000 a week. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like boy. He'll come play all the keys on top of it. Top three producers, man, all the time. You said you do it. Top three producers of all the time. You're top three producers of all time. In the jungle. The ones that inspired me the most. About three. KLC. Hey, that's my boy right there, man. Drummer boy Fred. Drummer boy, he up there on the wall with me. Manifresh. Manifresh. Manifresh, I always jump somewhere. You know, that's what my boy said. You know, in New York, the one, Andre say you can't get around what he did. I got other producers that inspired me along the way, like Just Blaze when I heard that. Just Blaze. I heard that. Welcome to New York City. Man, to me that was one of the coldest beats I ever heard at the time. Well, welcome to New York City. So like, you know, stuff like that inspired me, getting in the studio, trying to make something just as cold. But Manifresh, KLC, I had to move down here in 96. So, man, it was on flame, man. Like Cash Money No Limit was like. Crazy. That's one of your two top producers. 96 to 99, like, yeah. I mean, I wouldn't say. Top, top, the record late, like the South had the record. I was the real warfare. Okay, okay, okay. Is there a beat that you, I know you still have to answer to your top three, but is there any beat that you've ever, all of them? Yeah. Oh, is there any beat that you've ever heard that gives you goosebumps? Like every time you hear it, it just gets like goosebumps. Because it's that good. Maybe the first time I heard it, but not everything. Yeah. Who was it? That, who that, started red on the track. Yeah. Wow, that strip club is stronger. God damn. That's stronger than me. My hair is down. That's stronger than me. I was stronger than I heard that, man. Man, that fucking bass come out. Boy. Anything, who that? Yeah. I started red on the track. Man, I started red a whole niggle, man. I liked it there. Oh, oh, they want some ain't they cold man and fresh made that beat that beat. Oh, go stew back Your boy, uh, yo beats just used it He boy use that one. What is the most played beat like not play me made beat ever. Yeah, I don't know, you know I don't know how they can Google it, but Most remade be yeah, like even it could be even something from back in the days because you know Yes, people create new stuff, but it gets inspired by something old and added into it I haven't seen a Couple song just came to my mind. I was wondering When you start doing that, you know, you I saw thinking about Kanye man Yeah, and and and my boy. I interviewed Malik Yusef here to you Tim niggas, man He be with Kanye Niggas is a like you got your thing. I'm just saying it's some cold niggas out here man. Man. Hey listen, man This serious bro. Dr. Dre. Yeah It's serious like you got some template. I gotta give miss Brock and Pharrell you got when you start going around the whole world United States I was a fan of Pharrell them creativity, but I like to hear that music when I make a beat There's just a bunch of robot sounds. Yeah, that was even nerdy. I like that music though You know even Tim Lynn had that music in there. He might have some crazy little sounds in there But he gonna hit you with them strings and them chords and all that stuff like that Neptune would too, but what did you think when you Heard KLC fucked him on the niggas that beat Yeah, bro, I was jaw-dropping. I remember you like what the hell Yeah, it's the stuff like that you remember like speaking of that mister magic I was recording you know, I was doing here that when he when he before he passed he died on the way to me Wow party. Yeah, he had a rig him and Roy Jones of my special guest judges I was producing the body head back in volume two at the time And and I was called magic all night. I think he's stiff me. I'm like man. Ain't not even charging I'm calling all night man. Next thing I know Roy Jones call me crying. So you heard that same night Yeah, I'm thinking stiff me bro. Like but I'm at the hospital. We haven't heard about the Rick or the other man bro, you know how that feel to have a Boxing champion of the world called you crying in your ear Boy, that's crazy. So Roy Jones. Yeah, that was his best friend magic and Roy Jones as his best friend Magic wife and Roy Jones wife is best friend She died to wow Magic wife and him died at the same time. That was about 10 miles out of my kids. Yeah, she was in the car too She didn't die. She broke her arm Imagine how she must have been It was crazy, bro, like that was that was crazy time He called me I was at the hospital because they wouldn't let me go back. I was trying to lie to him and say I was a brother Police police getting so it was he was where was he at when he had that break like right outside of Lumberton Was right right by had it for about 10 15 minutes. Did they know what happened the cars on the right? I heard drunk driver animals road or something. Yeah, but the car blew up and everything. I think I think magic And this is a story I've heard I think magic probably would have been straight The daughter got thrown out the car But I think magic was still in the car or something like that and uh, and it burnt up and I Believe burnt and I don't know that but these are stories that I've been told over the years I don't know the actual, you know, I'm saying But I know that they what I do know they wrecked the owner only reason the daughter Leo because she got throwed out If this if the story that they telling me and he's like from family members stuff here You know, I get bits and pieces here and there, but if those stories are correct Yeah, because they they said a car car flames Okay, and I'm running down on how Roy Jones calls you he tell you man, he did have a wreck. We don't know already knew about the wreck because We didn't know at first all I know is I'm calling magic He answered the phone. Okay, but then one of my partners has a police officer That's his partner. He called and said man. We got your boy up here at the hospital He just got to a wreck but never told us if he was dead or not But it's crazy because the probably the most successful party I ever threw it was packed wall to wall I'm talking about I made some of the money off the party that night. They didn't show up, bro Right Jones, he ended up being called to Russia. He couldn't come he had he had something to fight here You know, he still works for HBO. So at the last minute, he told me you wouldn't come in anyway But magic calm on right here So Then I Had enough talking to Roy. It was like still like two o'clock in the morning. We're calling that like for some And that's when he was crying. He kept saying man. He did So he had already told you previously that you were in a wreck But he just didn't know that he had that he had died yet. Yeah, we talked about him being ready I think I knew about him being a wreck before before Roy Jones. Oh, okay Cuz But you drove you went straight straight to the hospital once I find out like for in the morning No, it was like to it was right after the club. Okay, right. We didn't find out because we stayed at the hospital for a long time It was like ours Then Roy Jones found the car and told told me he was dead Wow him and his wife and a little girl was just in the other room probably Bandaged up. So you think about it as I told y'all wanted to work with soul to slim Cuz I was young in my cousin's best friends. I'm thinking I'm about to you know, he got killed mr. Magic Pilssey JD That's a lot. Well, yeah, and you and you start thinking about it Working there or being in the midst of these people man And and it's like dang man, but mad mr. Magic man. He was hard on there. He would corrupt out Putting together a tight ass project rough cuz you remember the body you didn't finish it We're on it was eight songs in the body here brings volume one is the one that had a smoke a drink so then Roy Jones was putting out a volume two and had them got magic and a couple other people stuff We was gonna magic how's every day record or not every day, but they're Wow, man, I'm sorry to hear that Who would you now want to work with that you have not worked because you have worked with so many people Who could you make magic with You know everybody I was talking about Drake, but I'm like It'd be cool to work with Drake, but I like to work artists that let me put in my creative control too cuz Cuz I could I could write real good I'm real real good at writing so like not saying that you just need a ghostwriter But you know just don't just come in and just have me hit and record like use me I use all my tools and my keys, you know My magic like let me mix your song. Let me help you. You know I'm saying like some people Have you worked with anybody other than rap? Yeah, like Blues artists Couple blues artists is local diamond R&B artists no country western Have I worked with a country western artist? I think it's one that recorded in my studio But he recorded on there with my brother. My brother does most of the live music He's a lot of music. Yeah, he put a guitar and a drone in the piano He bad boy. He bad and he can write too, but he super bad Like he like a toddler period time 10 damn when they find out about my brother. He's a rap I ain't shit compared to my brother younger brother he's been growing up studying me. He's like he I Could I could probably mix music better than him because he he's just not really getting into a studio like mine Like cuz he was living in Colorado So he do more playing live, but now he's got a chance to be in the studio and create music Create songs and stuff like that, but he don't sing Man that boy don't hit an off note. He don't hit off note period. He sings. He doesn't rap dog No, he don't rap. It's gospel. He do gospel Not just guys we do but he do probably do like jazz. You know saying he was no rapper That's good. It's like we ain't in each other way But he'll bring you a different type of clientele to your studios facts Mm-hmm Recording a lot of people man. That's good. I Tell you man, I appreciate you coming on boss talk one-on-one man Definitely enjoy it. How can people get a hold tell you if they trying to rock out with you? Oh, he my Instagram heartbeats ENT. They got it got the The booking number in the body of heartbeats ENT at the end of the day of somebody you know had to go back and look at something you said and You wouldn't paint the picture. What would you want them to remember by about you? How hard I work So everybody down there knows how hard I worked you see I'm saying like I Was out the studio for one week now the hundred and twenty two years Wow Besides maybe I might get sick and can't show over there or something like that Which I can't remember the time but I go to studio every day You feel I'm saying like and they ain't too many people that's able to block out life and and do that You see I'm saying I didn't go having me and kids I ain't go gang bane and stealing cars and just you know, just doing crazy. You got focus on what you want man I got a one more thing. I wanted to ask Cuz we don't just have adults watching we'd be having some kids be watching to and stuff like that and You never know a child might be out here being abused by their father or stepfather or whoever Or somebody's going off to foster care or just in a bad situation at home and watching it and feel depressed What can you give them a word of encouragement? What can they do? I mean because you were that kid at one point. I Don't even know what I did. I just really just comes as lean on the music like the music When I started playing the piano and when I moved down here is like Find you something to do for one if you a kid, you know, whether it's sports or I play for sports to play music and stuff so No, you just got to push through it No, it really is no cheat code to it rather been through everything you could think think of before I was 11 crazy How's all kinds of like father even 11 years old and and I was able to push through I'm saying so if I could do it. I'm pretty sure they can too. You just got to focus focus really the hardest hardest thing to do But it's the best ingredient and you didn't have nobody that was you know Sometimes some people be like well this football coach. He took me under his wing or somebody, you know Adult wise help motivate me You did it by yourself. Mississippi Yeah, I told you three years later my cousin got drafted to the NBA and he started the studio, but I think I was like 17 Man, we love you brother for sure Say man, if you ever want to come back and you're pushing pushing something out Of some of them artists come from down there and me and you cuz I like your number in there So if it's artists coming up to Dallas that you notice, you know, needing that recognition that really put that work in like yourself I'll shout out to Dane that you say I've never worked hustle harder for a man Then he hustled for himself. So if you see somebody hustling like you hustling, then you say man I'm gonna link you up with boss. Oh man. So like I said, we we just we just we just like to show love to certain people And that's why we so it's it's kind of weird how we do it because it got to be something there That means something forward man Check it man for so it's been another great sake. It's HR boom a boss talk 101 what a boss is so and we out