 to order. I think right now there's just Cliff and I so comments or additions changes to the agenda. Nothing for me. Okay. All right we can get started. Like I said I think Rose was going to come on but maybe she's late getting home from work. Yeah so so it's item E in the east mountain select board is here we're waiting to hear the presentation of the proposed ambulance whatever it is. So I'm sharing the screen now with the financials that I sent out. These are through October in FY 21. Yep we have that. Yep. Any questions for anybody on that? Leave it up there for a minute. Yeah can you scroll down Toby? Well you guys all got this sent. Yes we know that but it doesn't hurt for us to look at it together. It could run right through it for us if you want to. Yeah. So essentially what really we look at is the ambulance versus actual. So here's that page really nothing to. What page is that? What number? On the right hand corner. Page number one. So I guess I would ask. All page number one. That's right. So it's profit loss budget versus actual ambulances the title. I think it's like the fourth page. Okay. So that essentially shows what our budget is. This column is the budget. This is the actuals to that point. This is the over under on it and this is the percent of budget spent or collected in income. So everybody needs to know that we're just midway through the year. Right. So actually we're only one third of the year. Yeah. Essentially we're at 33% of our budget. So if you look at the total expense line down here you'll see that we're a little bit over 33%. We're at 36.7%. What's really driving that is this 40% of salary. That's always going to be higher than our budgeting because we're staffing you know as much as we can. No other really expenses that are out of line. The software one is right. Yeah. We actually purchased two computers for working downstairs in the office and they should they ended up in this line item. They should actually be in the capital fund rather than here. So that's why that's a little bit off. Yeah. Can you guys get any funding through the cares act for like if you had to purchase additional equipment so that staff could work you know further apart. We did but that was in last year's budget. Through the from the covid stuff. Yeah because it was before the end of June that we received the cares money. Okay. So you haven't been able to access any more care funds for anything. Well the state the state of Vermont had a hazard pay for EMTs and that shows up here. Covid hazard pay up here above and then yeah thousand two hundred and that was paid directly to the staff that that had nothing to do with operations that just gave them a bonus for being on the on the front lines. The other thing of note is collection so far at one third of the year we're at 57,000. You multiply that by three. We're probably going to be at 150,000 or 160,000 if if revenues contain continue to go that way. And that's what percentage of uncollected. I have no idea. We haven't run that report. Okay. What do you usually collect in a year Toby? Well I think last year was 140 and the year before that was like 128. Okay. Yeah. That's kind of what I thought. Yeah. So 140 was what we did last year. This is tracking to be a little bit more than that if if those if if the amount of the number of calls stays high. But you never really know because calls and collections are two different things. That's correct. Yeah. Yeah. They don't they don't always match up with each other. No, they don't usually match up. So that's really irrelevant. So that's ambulance in a nutshell. This is fire. Again, nothing really out of the ordinary. The audit is a one time in a year. So that's why that's 91%. So that's complete. Everything else is really pretty much on track. I was looking at something where the electric the electric at station two is really high. It's always that it's a 10,000. It's a 10,000. Right. So it's not out of line. No, but it's just interesting that the brand new building like that has electricity bills that high. Well because it has all of the air handlers and all the other equipment in there to make it energy efficient. Yeah. Right. Right. I'm bit my tongue on that one. Yeah. So so total expense again. We should be at 33 we're at 26. So actually on the fireside we're in we're doing well and staying below budget. Yeah. Good. So how come Callis managed to underpay their their whole contribution by $65? Is there a story there? No, no. Where do you where is that, Bruce? That's second line. Second line. It says, huh? There it is. $65. I don't know. We took that for coffee money. Yeah, right. We put it towards refreshments. Yeah. Well, we don't see those refreshments. Well, we don't want East Montpelier people in Callis right now. You should. You should see two thirds of that $65. Right. We should have. Yeah. That's a good point, Toby. We gotta bring that up again. There you go. All right. So that's the financials for now. The nothing else really out of the out of the ordinary. So any other questions on any of that? Not at the moment. No. Okay. So that we talked it and we talked it all about how how what we're gonna do. I know we talked last year a little bit about moving forward with staffing and the cost associated with that. You probably just expect those costs to continue to go up. Yeah. Well, and again, as we get more people who fill shifts, that salary line will go up. And when we look at the budget we proposed, literally the only increase in the ambulance side is in salary. And that's that's to accommodate having more people in the building when we need them. So let's go right to that since you brought it up. This is the ambulance budget, which I have a point of order if I might interrupt. Yeah, Bruce, do we need to be recording this portion of our meeting? That's a fair question. Are you recording this, Toby? I wasn't. I am. Nobody's recording it on zoom. Maybe you're recording it some other way on your computer. Orcas on and they're recording. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Aren't we supposed to record independent of what Orca does? We probably should. But at least some of it's been recorded by Orca since we didn't do it at the beginning. Well, host, will you give us permission to record? Yeah, you can record anytime you like. Thai Roland, whoever is is that Thai Roland's account? Would you please activate the recording permission under the security badge? Yeah, that's Toby. Toby's hosting it. Okay. Do you know how to do that, Toby? I'm looking right now. There's a security badge down to the left side of the middle of your screen at the bottom. And if you click on that, one of the options is to allow people to record. What does the security badge look like, Karl? Looks like a badge. You don't you don't have it. Only the host has it. Oh, I don't see that as a choice under the badge. Okay, if you are using Thai's account, which you seem to be, as he says, right, I'm viewing Thai's screen. No, I'm viewing TT screen. That would be Toby Talbot screen. Well, that's that's the Thai, Thai Roland account. So I can see what's there. It just it doesn't have anything that says route. No, below that in the zoom below where it says participants and chat and mute and stop video, that sort of thing. You might have to put your mouse all the way to the bottom of the screen to get to to come up. It's not coming up. That's probably because you're sharing the screen. Yeah, it's probably on the sharing bar. Yeah, there's a little record button is down in the towards the screen. It's not the record button that he needs to push. We need him to push the security badge and allow others to record. Yeah, it's not an option in this in this. Okay, well, I've got a voice recording going of it. Is that so Toby? Why don't you push the record button? And when it says there we go. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. Do we have a copy of this? We do. Yep. On Excel. This is on Excel. Yes. Yeah, we've got it as a PDF on the website. Okay, I'm just trying to compare it. So now is this the one you did, Bruce? Yes. So essentially the driving force on any increase on this budget is the salary line item, essentially. Since you guys had talked about the two of you adding $37,500. That's the salary increase here on line 5500 salary. So everything else essentially and the number up above here shows the balance that's above that $37,50. So essentially the rest of the line items increases would only total $7,918 for East Montpelier and $3,960 for Calis. Well, and that's above the $37,500. That's correct. Okay, so that was my confusion there. Yeah. Okay, so it's $37 plus. Yeah. We need to pay $39,60. Correct. So no, no, no, no, no. So hold on. On this line on East Montpelier, it's plus $25,000 because that's your share of $37,50. Plus plus plus $7,009. So you'd be at about 30, whatever that is, total. So why does it say? So the $37,50 is the split. Right. So $25,000 for East Montpelier and $12,500 for Calis plus for Calis the additional $3,960 plus $12,005. So why is there two amounts? Because we'd already agreed to $37,50. But yeah, but why the additional amount? Because that's the other line item. That's just for salary. Yeah. That's you agreed $37,500 just for the salary increase to cover salary increases. Oh, so the $39,60 is just overall budget increase, not salary. That's other items on there, not including salary. So, you know, this batch went up and workers comp will go up a little bit with more salary. You know, there's just small increases on all the other line items and that's what essentially that's the only other increase you'll see. Okay. I just wanted to be clear. So Calis is total increase for FY 22,16,460. Yeah. Any other questions on line items that are up there? Cliff, do you have any questions? Thank you. So I have to go to a second alarm fire in Berry City. We'll see you guys if I don't see you. Have a Merry Christmas. Yeah, thanks, Ty. Have a good Christmas, Ty. Thank you. Be safe. Thanks. I'm leaving also. All right. See you, Albert. See you, Albert. Have a good holiday. Okay. So this is the fire budget proposal FY 22. Can you go back up to the top real quick? Okay. So we're ours is going down by 3860. Correct. Okay. Any questions on line items? No. Um, I do have a question, an audit question when the time is appropriate. Sorry to get stuff is pretty flat. Yeah, and there's some savings and stuff, particularly vehicle repairs. We're, of course, with newer vehicles, we're hoping there's less there. So we're counting on not having major breakdowns. Yeah, that's just such a guessing game in my experience. You know, yep. It's just a complete guess. You never know. So it's great that you're trying to do it, but right. Just so essentially with the reduction in the fire and in the small increase, not including the 37 five in salary, essentially the only thing that you'll really have an increase on for both towns combined is the 37,500 dollars. Right. The fire size of reduction. Right. So for the combined budgets, the only increase you're going to see is the 37 five that you were already counting on for the 37 five plus the other. No, no, the other gets taken away because of reduction on the fireside. Right. Yeah, even it kind of evens out, but still. Right. You can see right here. Here's here's the. So essentially, not including the 37 five East Montpelier will go up 198. Yeah. And Calis will go up $100. So essentially, essentially, except for the 37 five, it's pretty much a flat line, flat line, but the increase. Calis still almost 65. Right. I know. I'll have to check into that. I don't know what happened to that. That would be coffee. Maybe it's a billing error. Maybe you took it out, Denise. I've heard the check is in the mail. Yeah, probably is. Yeah, don't send cash. Right. Yeah. Okay. So that takes care of the financial review and the budgets for the 22. Um, capital plan. Yep. Coming up. There it is. So these are the these are the actual numbers for the loans that we have on the rescue to and the new ambulance rescue three. Can you can you make that bigger? I didn't print this one off. Yeah, that's better. The loan figures are in the long term reserve line. Is that it? Where's the where are the loan? Oh, over there. It's yeah. So I see. So these are the these are the actual loan payments on yeah, the two rescue trucks. Got it. Okay, this is the when when it shows Toby when it shows the replace year is that the year we replaced it or the year we're going to replace it because there's one shown for 22. I'm not sure what you're talking about. This line here that says on the capital budget that says replace year. And then I'll say 22. I see 20. 2000 is 2020. Oh, I so it's 2032. It looks like a 22. Okay. We're gonna have to replace. Right. So the model year is the year that we purchased it. The this is the current age. This is the year that we should be replacing it. You can see this is the one that really up remaining life. Essentially, when you hit zero, there's no remaining life. But you're not asking for truck money this time around. Well, we might because it's again, we're probably a year behind on that because we needed to look at that. Anyway, vehicle. Yeah, that's a fire truck. No, I said, is there something wrong with it? It's getting rusty and it goes in the shop quite often. And yeah, I mean, this the standard for national fire NFPA standard is 25 years, and we can extend it. But it can't be a first due engine as a 25 year old truck. Why would we do a loan and go beyond the life of the vehicle? No loan on that. What's the 30? What? Well, if you go over to the right 20, 22, 23, 24, what's the that would be that would be to purchase the new truck. That's if you buy one. Okay. That's when the paint right. So essentially, we've moved it off one year. It actually it should be here where we should be purchasing it. The other thing is when you purchase and take a loan, you can actually pay the first loan in arrears the first year of the loan in arrears. So you can actually put that off for another year as far as your liability for paying the loan. Would you go to the bond bank for something like this? No, we do commercial loaning. We get a pretty good rate with local banks. Hey, Toby, if I could interrupt for a moment, sorry, I just got a message from Rose. She needs somebody to admit her into the meeting. You might have to exit your screen share and let her in. Right. Hey, there you are. We miss you. I've only been trying for 15 minutes. Oh, no. Yeah, my computer is frozen like none of the icons are working. And so of course I do this on my cell phone anyway. But yeah, so I got a frozen computer and very limited. But I've been trying. Yeah, I wondered what happened to you. Yeah, I've been sitting here trying. Well, and when the host is in screen share mode, they don't always see that somebody's in the waiting room. Okay, that's correct. So are you going to be asking us to put something on the warning to buy a new truck? Well, I think we'll just go directly to you because that's the that's the that's the procedure right now unless you decide you have to put it to the voters to go ahead. Well, normally you do if you're going to bond something out for a while. Any A loan is going to exceed a year. You have to have voter approval. No, you don't. No, not because why did not set up that way. It's set up that the East Montpellier fire department is a separate entity and they manage the capital plan and their assets. They may ask the town for money. But so far they've actually managed it with their own resources and borrowed the money and paid for themselves. That hasn't they have not had to go to the town to buy equipment. That works for me. Yeah, they've taken it out of their own revenue. Okay, I didn't know that. I mean, I was just looking at the normal process of town uses to buy. Yeah, but this is so essentially the rule is that you can you can long you can take a loan for up to five years without having to go to the bond bank, but you can't do it beyond five years. And that's this would be 25 years. I know, but what I'm talking about is the municipal lending. You have to do that five or if it's above five, it has to go to a bond, right? A town bond. We actually use the revenue that we derive from our operations and pay for our own capital investments. So we can just we can take a 10 year loan because we are 501 C three and we're a separate corporation. And the monies actually don't come from the town. They come from our work. Right? That's that's what Seth was telling me. And there is an agreement about that. And again, the agreement says that if if we go to the two select boards and they approve the approval that we can go purchase a truck, we don't have to go to the voters unless the town select boards decide they need that approval. But that's the only time that we've talked about getting voter approval is if he's if the fire department ambulance service came to the town and asked them for money, they're not asking us for money yet. They've asked for permission to spend the money is anything that's over a certain amount that comes out of the capital plan. They have to ask the town is 25,000. 20 or 25. Yeah, it's 20 20. So anything over 20,000, they come to towns and ask permission if they can spend the money out of their capital reserves and or pick a loan. So that's how the process has worked so far. It's just that in this large expenditure, they may anticipate asking the town for a certain amount of money to help them start that truck. Right? So if we go back to the if we go back here, essentially, the plan shows 120,000 a year as the income. And and we're not sure it might be more or less depending on future. So this number, essentially, when you get out to here, these may turn back to positives. Just because we don't know. Yeah, I don't. So I haven't predicted an increase in this over the year. The same thing with the expenses. These are the expenses that we pay prior to the capital reserve. And they may fluctuate up and down depending on how we handle those things. And it shows as of January. There's going to be 98. Well, that was what was in the that was what was in the capital fund as of January 2020. Right. 2020. Yeah. So the other thing that sort of showed up here is now we've bought these power cuts and defibrillators. And that loan it shows here. Essentially, we only paid this much because we only bought it this late part of the year. This is the annual payment. And this is the last payment. So that's essentially added into the total liability each year. Don Welch and I had set up some numbers to put money aside for capital replacements in the building itself. So this line had never really shown up on the on the capital plan. And this equipment is probably on average about $10,000 a year with medical equipment, gas meters, other small, small, but more expensive things that don't end up in the in the regular budget. So that line has essentially appeared to make sure that we're we're figuring that into our total plan. So that's not so defibrillators has its own line. That's correct. And the power cuts. So your fixed expenses are already pretty high. There's 75,000, right? Oh, 87,000. That's your fixed expense. With your payments. Well, no, so if you look over here. Yeah, so if you look at all the long term reserve, that's essentially how much you need to pay each year depending on how long you own it. Okay, yeah, actually, our goal for capital to handle all of this stuff up here, we would need to spend 102,000 a year. Okay, out of the out of the capital, out of capital monies. Yeah. And so essentially, if we if we make 120 and we spend 20, that lives leaves us just around 100 left over. So it's a pretty tight capital plan if we do everything that's in here. So that's where we're at in so you're only going to spend $14,000 on engine for a year. That's what it says long term reserve budget for engine for the cost 350,000. Yeah, per 25 years. Oh, I see. But that doesn't really match up with right. That doesn't match up with it with the again. So if we purchased and took a 25 year loan, those not going to do that. No, we're not going to do that because the interest would eat us. Yeah, you're gonna do it for five or 10 or something. Right, so you can see that these loans up here were for five at 30 a year. Yeah, these are going to be 10 because the vehicles are that much difference in price. Yeah, I see it. You will, you will go negative, it looks like, but that's well, and again, when we get out here into 28. Yeah, we're in the deficit of 81,000 unless these numbers grow. Right. And so there's no telling what that's going to be. And this may be the point where we have to ask the town to assist us to continue this plan for keeping these vehicles and equipment alive. Yeah. So in 2026, Calis is $65 is really going to make or break whether this is in the black. That's right. Particularly after you collect all the interest on it over those years. Sorry. But the thing is, the thing that I'm confused about is when you have your long term reserve budget, the putting in for all this machinery, that doesn't really match up with the reality of the costs on the on the right. So if you're going to be negative, you're really going to be negative when you get out there because a lot of these vehicles are going to have a higher payment than a 25 year or 10 year whatever it is life that you've put in the long term reserve budget. Is that correct? I mean, just like your engine for you have $14,000. But it's really going to be a lot bigger than that when you get a few years down the road, because some of these vehicles are going to need to be replaced. It's going to cost you more per year than your long term reserve budget. So the so the thing is though, if you look so if it's 25 years and we're only paying more for 10 years than paying a smaller amount for 25 averages out to be able to the bottom line is how much can you handle each year? Yeah, that's right. That's really all that matters is what you can handle. And so essentially, if you look at this number down here, the essentially, we have to shoot for about 102,000. And in some years here, here we're at 71. But then you get back up in here and this is where it's going to start to diminish the whatever savings you've had ahead of time. And again, again, it's how you stack these things up to each other and how many trucks you're paying for in a year. Right. And if we decide if we decide we don't need to replace the utility truck, because it'll still go along, we can move some of this to another year or whatever. But you know, this is the this is the reality that we think replacement of the vehicles is. And therefore, we end up with these numbers as we're growing. This is where we're going to be if we want to keep those trucks replaced at the appropriate time. Toby? Yes. It also, if you have any trade in value on these that may make a difference to and save you some money. Right. So so a 25 year old fire truck is really only worth about $20,000. So it's not going to make a significant impact on on any of this. And if we do essentially take everything out to its real active life, and it's really not going to have a lot of value at the end. But I agree, Don, there is some there's some number here that we don't see, because I haven't calculated out. And that's a total unknown. Sometimes you get somebody that just is going to have your old truck for 40 grand. And other people say it's, Hey, you might as well drive it over a cliff. I don't want anything to do with it. And that's just an unknown. Yeah, I will say that I like you adopted my format very well. Thank you. I well, I follow the master. I don't think Don usually doubles up on the year 2025, but whatever. Oh, sorry. Good catch. It's in there somewhere. Any other questions on that? So that's essentially where we're at. We're probably going to be talking soon about moving ahead with a new engine to replace engine four. Was it the was it the last time you bought a truck you ended up getting a demo or was that a rescue? So the rescue to that we bought the big truck with all the rescue tools on it in a small pump and a small tank. We were very lucky to find something that actually fit what we needed and was only I think three years old when we bought it. Yeah, I thought the problem with the fire trucks that we use, there's no really good used ones on the marketplace that fit our needs for replacing the fire trucks that we have. It's a two person cab with a sidemount pump and foam and place for a full to tank and you know, 1500 gallons of water there. I did a look today just to see what was in the marketplace and there's nothing that's anywhere near what we need. A lot of them are crew cabs so they're too long to fit in our building. And there's just a lot of things that a lot of the rural fire trucks that we would be looking at don't ever come up on the market because they everybody keeps them for 20 years. So we're really looking at a brand new truck to replace engine for. What do you think the cost is going to be? It'll be $350,000. So Toby, if I understand the proposal correctly, it is to stick with this capital planning budget as presented and then come year 2027 or 2028 whatever it is when you remove the duplicated year, then come to the town and ask for some money to fill in the deficit. Unless the estimated revenue line grows enough to take care of those deficits. Right. I think there's a lot of unknowns. And again, so if we trade, if we sell one truck and get down, get 25 grand that 40,000 becomes 15. If we trade something else or get some resale value in anything else. And again, if we make more than 120,000 put away, all those numbers can change. This is just a map that says this is where we think we're going to be. And it's not it's not taking pie in the sky estimates at revenue. Well, it's just it's a best it's a best guess right now. That's good. There's no proposal on the table looking at the numbers to say cut back on the amount of total equipment or find another way of augmenting revenue or anything like that is just go with this and do the best we can. Is that right? Right. Well, and again, capital plans change every year, you something breaks and you got to buy something else and you take another loan and you decide to put something off another year. I mean, it's it's just like when you guys had an excavator that was all of a sudden blew up. And the only thing you do is buy a new one. You didn't plan it and change the capital plan all that all the money that you had saved up for something else all of a sudden was spent on that excavator or that loader. You just have to be you just have to adapt. I mean, this this tries to look at what is a realistic income stream and a replacement schedule that we need to keep the equipment available for what we do. Okay. Okay. Yep. Sounds good. Good. I don't know if it sounds good, but I understand. Call log review. Yeah. So this is this is for the total year. So we keep our our run. You got to blow it up, Toby. That's all I got. That's it. That's it. Okay. I send it to you. You guys should have all of this and your computer. Yes, I know. Toby, you keep saying that. Yes. But that takes a lot. I don't I'm not going to print every single thing off. And it takes a lot of paper, a lot of toner. Thank you, Bruce from printing this off. I'm doing it. Well, I'm I think our select board is doing all this from home. So most stuff we are printing ourselves. Well, and I'm looking at it on a screen. I haven't wasted one piece of paper on any of this. So it's well, I did tell me I did look at it on the screen, but I don't have a complete memory of everything that was there. So thank you. If you can blow it up more if you can't, that's fine. That's it. Thank you, Toby. I think you should keep that 65, Janice. I'm going to use it to buy a toner. So essentially, through, I guess, this was through November 566 total 433 ambulance calls. 261 transports to date. How's that line up with previous years? I don't know because this snapshot, I don't think we've ever really done this call log in December. I just, you know, tie put it on the agenda. So I threw it out there. I think the only way the only way you can do apples to apples is if you do a full year comparison to another full year. Yeah, because usually it's just once a year you do this. Yeah, and we usually do it in the one after January so that we do it year to year. So it's a total comparison year to year. Yeah, so you've got something to compare. Right. Because I'm looking at it. I don't really know. Right. Well, all I can tell you is, essentially, how many events were an East Montpelier 263, Calisthenk 99, Marshfield had 85, Plainfield had 33. So essentially, it just gives you an idea of where we're spreading out our stuff. Yeah, if it has gone through November, however, this is definitely down from the norm. Last year was over 700 at the end of the year. But remember the 700 included the burn permits? Yeah, and look at the burn permits. That's a difference of 30. Yeah, last year was at 84. Time will tell. Time will tell. Anyway, so that's like I said, I don't think it's really relevant because it's not complete year to year to sort of compare. And the call log is Cal and they're not fiscal. That's correct. Toby, the burn permits, is that just going to a site when they have a burn? Yeah, so in East Montpelier, we actually go and visit everybody's pile of wood before they burn it. So essentially, it's a time where we go out, somebody, someone on the staff goes out and does it a view of the scene and make sure everything is safe and sound before we issue the permit. Okay, I will be calling you. East Montpelier fire does not do permits in Calis. It's only in East Montpelier. Okay. And how about after snows on the ground? Permits aren't required if there's snow on the ground. Okay. Thanks. Yeah. Yeah, so go ahead, burn away. Oh, no, there's no next week, maybe snow melted. So you're gonna come see us. Yeah. The last three items, I'm not sure what the chief had in mind. What do you want to talk about? Those are his items. And he didn't discuss with me what they were. Well, it says new, new stretchers and defibrillators. Is that in the budget? No, those are the ones that we just bought. And we, yeah, we bought defibrillators and and those are those the power and the power cuts. So stretchers means power cuts. Correct. Maybe he was just going to tell us how wonderful they are. Well, they certainly are. Good. And rescue two and rescue three loan. I have no idea what he wanted to talk about that. Those are the ones you do have the loan on. Correct. Yeah, those are the two. Yeah, so that's about $60,000 a year in loan payments for those two. And I think there's another four years on those. Okay. And it may be that he had thought about paying one down ahead of time to lower. I don't know. I'm not sure what he had in mind. So I can't answer that. So that's whether he thought that we should lower some of the capital fund, because you know, we're roughly sitting in 100 and it's continuing to grow. So maybe he wanted to pay it off sooner or something. Well, and again, if we pay it off sooner, there'll be less interest. That's I think the only the only thing that would make a difference. But maybe we had a Ouija board out and try to figure out what he was thinking that way. Nope, I don't think that would and don't think that would help. The interest rates pretty low. Isn't it Toby? Yeah, I think it's like three and a half or I just I don't remember because we did. So when we bought rescue three, the ambulance, the demo ambulance, we refinanced the rescue to at the same time. So we essentially did both as a as, you know, a current loans instead of carrying the existing one and adding another because it was cheaper for us to lower lower that monthly or that annual cost by refinancing the big rescue truck. As far as COVID goes, worse, we struggle like everybody with it, you know, finding PPE and purchasing it and having enough on board. We have been lucky that we haven't had interactions with a lot of positive COVID patients. I think we've had three or four that I'm aware of. And, you know, we taking all precautions to keep the staff safe and not exposed during work. We have had some volunteers get into a situation where they did have an exposure and had to stay away from the station for a while. And we just had a couple of our per diem people in their other jobs do get a positive exposure, but turned out to have a negative result. But it meant that they missed a couple of shifts that we had them scheduled for. So that has been kind of a concern for us that staffing has been affected by COVID. We've had to call mutual aid a couple of times because of that. And that's not a cost to anybody. It just means, you know, we're asking other departments to do our job for us, which we try not to do. Yeah, I mean, in this time of the way things are helping each other is not a bad thing. Yep. And we do it. In fact, that's what Ty is doing right now is mutual aid to Berry City. Yeah. So that's the budget proposal updates on the financials, the capital plan. And that's all we have for you. I can answer any questions you might have on anything else. I did have a question. I was looking at the audit report. And it says something about your EIN number being shared with somebody else. So when we took on the Cub Scouts, we had to we had to establish a checking account with them. And so they used our number. They have actually they've closed their check their group, their cub or whatever it is their gang of kids. So that actually has disappeared from being a liability. Okay. Rose or Cliff, you have any questions? That was actually the question I was going to ask. So you beat me to it. Thanks for explaining it, Toby. I think they call him a din, but I'm not sure. There you go. That's okay. Yep. I yeah, I just wanted to say I'm sorry that I was late. I had computer issues and I did, you know, review the documents ahead of time. Seems pretty straightforward, although I'm sorry that I missed Toby's wonderful explanation. But I really did appreciate that explanation about the capital plan. Greg and I actually were looking at it together last night. And so I appreciate it. So thank you for all your hard work. Thank you for keeping our community safe. And best regards to all. And one of the biggest things is thank you for all that you do and make sure that you guys are all taking care of yourselves. We're trying to. Good. And you're currently in working on Christmas baskets, donations, that kind of stuff. Right. So do you, you all have a Facebook page or we do because in East Calis, we're going to be starting at the East Calis General Store on the porch once a week. There is going to be, let me go back to my email account and tell you what this is. It's everybody. It's the Everybody Eats program. And they are going to be having meals to hand out to families in need. Really no questions asked. Not starting this week, but starting the following week on Thursdays from like four to six. So if you know families in in our area, it doesn't have to be a Calis resident. You know, just spread the word that there's going to be these meals offered to pick up on our porch. Starting December 10th from four to six. And this is through the, it's the Everybody Eats program. So I think it's through, I don't know if it's through capstone or not. But anyways, just so put that out there. If you have a way to advertise for that. Let folks know. Okay, I guess that's it. Yeah, that's all I have for you guys. I don't think there's anything else that that we need to share. And can answer any other questions you may have about how we do what we do. I'm all saying, Hey, thanks, Toby. Appreciate it. Yeah, thank you for your work. And thanks for walking us through this. Yeah. So Cal is select board with somebody like to move to adjourn. So move. Okay. Second. Let's vote rose. I cliff. And I'm an eye. Thank you, Katie. Thanks, Katie. Take care. Thank you again. Thank you for tuning in. I'll move that we adjourn in East Montpelier. Second. Any more discussion or all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. The ayes have it. The meeting is adjourned. Bye bye. Thank you, folks.