 brilliant, as always. And I was the closing act. I got out of the milk can. I took a whole mouthful of water, you see, so that I could spit it out of my hand and throw it on my face, and I'd be wet. I didn't want to be dry when I walked through the curtain, you see. And I'm sitting there on top of the can, and I've got this mouthful of water, and I hear a voice directly above me on the catwalk. It's David Carverfield talking with a magician named Shamada, another very famous magician. And he says, I don't know Shamada. That doesn't look too tough to me. And Shamada says, no, I'm going to get me one of those, David. I wonder how much they cost. And I let the water out of the car. And I jumped out of the can. I said, I'll get you guys. And I got one of them years later, but that's another long story. And I walked through the curtain and I was still laughing. They thought it was coughing. Now, of course, you mentioned hanging over Niagara Falls. You've done some other very interesting things, entombed in ice, buried alive, all kinds of things. A fellow by the name of David Blaine has been making news in recent, well, past couple of years, doing some of these things. Do you know him? Have you worked with him? David and I were great friendly at one time. He's gone to the dark side now. Yes, he's a close friend of Uri Geller, the spoon bender, whose talents I think may be trickery for all we know, rather than really supernatural forces that he gets from a flying saucer. Right. If you believe that, I got some swampland in Florida you might like to invest in. But nonetheless, David Blaine, I did give him some pointers on the frozen block of ice thing that he did on Broadway, because I originally had that 30 years or so ago. I think I was the first one ever to do it. You also, I have to mention this, you also toured with Alice Cooper? Yes. Oh, yes. I haven't seen Alice in a couple of years now. But yes, I chopped his head off every night with a guillotine. And you know, it never worked, because the next night he was right back again. Alice is quite a character. And the whole group there, that was a wonderful gig. I worked out for 90 days. And they brought in four and a half million dollars in 90 days, so it pays rather well. That was gross, mind you, but it's gross to make that kind of money, too. Let me tell you. But I got to be very friendly with Alice. Vincent Furnier from Phoenix, Arizona. And a really nice guy who doesn't take himself seriously at all. Have you seen the commercial that he's doing for one of the hotel chains where he skips rope with the kids? That's right. Yes. He's a funny character, and he doesn't take himself too seriously. And that's the secret of the whole thing. He knows who he is and what he is. And he knows just how far he can go. And he's a great character. Well, I want to get back now to some of the things you've been focusing on in recent times. And I must admit, I had the pleasure of seeing you give a lecture, full house, appreciative audience. And I want to talk about a couple of things that you mentioned during your lecture. Well, that was done for Da Vinci days, by the way. We got to plug up Da Vinci days. That's right. Da Vinci days. Down south in Corvallis, held every every summer. Very honored to be represented there. Nice bunch of people. And you're the keynote speaker, as a matter of fact. Yes, I believe I was. Yes. But you mentioned something very interesting. And we have to talk about this. And it involves the US Patent Office of all institutions. I'm so embarrassed over the US Patent Office. There was a time you know, when you had to have a working model of something in order to get it actually patented, they didn't waste patents and just run into numbers. It didn't mean anything. But now you can patent any stupid thing. I asked on my web page just last week, in italics, ladies and gentlemen, is there anything that the US Patent Office won't patent? I think the answer is no. But the silly things I pointed some of them out last night and it goes on endlessly. They patent perpetual motion machines. They patent free energy machines that don't work. You can't get perpetual motion. You can't get free energy. They can. Hey, you don't even have to patent. They just do it. And somebody around from any place in the world, they'll just come running to your door and you'll be carried on their shoulders and such. That would be the greatest discovery of the age, almost as good as the discovery of sliced bread or something like that. But they patent any damn thing that comes along. It's astonishing. They have no judgment in these matters. I don't know who the patent examiners are, but I'm sure they didn't get out of high school. Because any student, any high school student would have more intelligence about these things, in my opinion. You mentioned a six year old who had holds a patent. There's a six year old boy who has a patent now and his father is a patent attorney. So I guess he did it rather cheaply. He has a patent on the process of using a playground swing, which normally goes back and forth like this, right? You're holding onto the chains or the ropes or whatever. And he patented the process of making it go like this, in this kind of emotion, while you're going back and forth by pulling alternately on the supports as you're doing this, you could patent this. They gave him a patent and a patent number and he has the patent papers on it, which technically means if you see someone doing that in a playground, he can rather say, Hey, you owe me a royalty. This is insanity. It's not a serious office anymore. It's a bunch of clowns. I'm embarrassed by it. I really am. Now, there's a lot of folks who are claiming to use science to fleece people. And of course, there's also folks who honestly are sort of deluding themselves and they believe they actually believe in the majority, the honest people who are self deluded. And I want to talk about them a little bit. And of course, I'm referring to to dowsing. And you know, I have to admit, I, I didn't know anyone did that anymore. But apparently, you know, I've gone out on the internet and just typed in the word dowsing and hundreds and hundreds of references. Absolutely. And there's groups all over the country that practice this. In fact, I printed something off that I found just incredible a quote from a dowser. One of them says, we always dows the weather on our field trips. We ask, will it rain? Will it be cold? And apparently, these these sticks tell them, you know, yes or no. Someone else dowses to find out if somebody is going to win a football game. They say they can dows for anything from finding lost children to finding water to finding precious metals. And people actually believe this. Oh, yeah. The dowsers are the the most the saddest self deluded group that I ever come upon. Now, you know that through the James Vanity Educational Foundation, we have a million dollar prize. The million dollars is affordable to any person or persons who can provide evidence of any paranormal occult or supernatural event or power of any kind under proper observing conditions. That's simple enough. And the people that we get coming for it, a good 80% of them are dowsers. People who use the pendulum or the the fork stick or the the coat hanger wires that stick out and wave all over the place and such. They really think they've got the magical power that they can do this. They can't. Now we've I tested literally this is not an exaggeration, thousands of them all over the world in in Russia and Albania, in all over Australia and New Zealand, and in China and Japan, all through Europe, all the way through and in the UK and Canada and the United States very, very frequently. And none of the dowsers have ever been able to actually do what they say they can do. They think they can, because the sticks move. But they're moving themselves, the sticks themselves unconsciously. It's what's called the idiomotor reaction. And it's a very strong psychological force, the sticks move, but they're actually moving them if you photograph their hands, you'll see they are moving them, and they're not aware of it. That's the sad part about this. But they're by and large, honest folks, I've only had two dowsers ever tried to really fool me and I caught them like that. No trouble. Now you mentioned you did test a dowser within the past couple of months, right in your offices. How did that go? What? He said he could find gold. He was particularly sensitive to gold. So he brought along what he thought were gold coins, they weren't. They were the Satya way. Is that the name of the gold colored dollars. But they're made from manganese bronze. They're not gold. There's not a trace of gold in them. He thought they were gold. And I wasn't about to disabuse him of the thing because he showed me an open test that his dowsing stick always descended when he crossed over the gold that he thought was gold right there. And he had a gold nugget along with it. So it was not a total loss. And when it was open, when he knew where it was, and we all knew where it was, the sticks always did the right thing.