 Good morning everyone. Thank you for connecting on this monthly mentoring hour. This is a time that we take to interact, a time where we share any questions that we may have or some of the new learnings that we have. It's a wonderful time of discussion and growing deeper in the Word of God. So before we get started for this first mentoring hour for the semester, let's begin with a word of prayer. Is it okay Avani if I request you to lead us in a word of prayer please? Good morning ma'am. Good morning everyone. Sure ma'am. Good morning. Let us pray. Father God, we are so very thankful to you for a new day. For your amazing grace, amazing presence, amazing promises that you have given us of our Father. We thank you that you have led us to this day Father. We can glorify you for it is your will Father that we come together and worship you Father. Learn about you, know you more and be deeply rooted in your Word. And as we are Lord Father seeking you Father, we thank you for this opportunity. We thank you for all the teachers who put in hard work to teach us Father. We bless them with your presence, with your knowledge and wisdom Father, with your anointing and we pray that each of them will be Lord equipped to teach us Father and that you would continue to lead each of them and bless them with good health and long life and with your plans and purposes prevailing in each of our lives Father. We thank you once again for what you are doing in us through your Word. We thank you Father for leading us through the power of your Holy Spirit. We thank you Lord for everything that you have planned for us in future Father. As we yield ourselves to you Father, we give you all authority and control over this meeting Father and lead us and help us to Lord Father seek you more. We bless your holy name for who you are and how you lead us. We give you glory, honor and praise and ask this prayer in the most matchless, precious and magnificent name of Jesus our Savior and Lord. Amen. Amen. Thank you. Thank you so much Agni for leading us in prayer. We will get started. So I would like to encourage us to put forth our questions if there is something that you've been wondering about. This is a good time to have that clarified. So please feel free. You can ask your question. You can either unmute your mic and ask or you can type the question in the chat. Our APC Babel College faculty is here so we will take up your questions. So let's go ahead if there are any questions to begin with. I know that we've just come through a wonderful season of Christmas and you know celebrating entering the new year. I also had a great time at the APC Christian Leaders Conference. So quite a bit of learning there. So while we wait for questions, if there is something that you want to share about what you've learned, you're welcome to do that as well. So anything from this past season of the Christmas break. If you've learned something new, please feel free. You can share that as well. Yes, I have two questions. Yes, Christopher, please go ahead. So the first question is just one minute. Yeah, so I just wanted to find out, you know, during the praise and worship session can the worship team and the pastor, can they pray in tongues during the session? I'm just trying to understand, you know, when we pray in tongues, should it only be done in a congregation setting when it is followed by an interpretation of what has been actually spoken in tongues? So that is the first question if you can just clarify that. And the second one is there are some denominations that believe in the apparitions of Mother Mary, for example. And this has happened over the years and, you know, these apparitions have then, you know, been built, I mean shrines have been built on the place where these apparitions have actually happened. So I just want to understand, you could just provide your view on these apparitions. Yeah, those are the two questions. Okay. Thank you, Christopher. Thank you for both of these questions. So the first question is if, you know, during worship, during the worship session, the worship team and the pastor can pray in tongues. And if they do pray in tongues, then would that require an interpretation. So maybe I'll request Pastor Jaykumar to answer that question if that's all right. And the second question is about apparitions. I'm not too quite, I'm not very clear on what that is, Christopher, but I understand maybe some miracles, isn't it? Some miracles that have taken place and shrines that have been built in the places where these miracles took place. So not just miracles, they actually have, you know, have indicated that there has been, you know, you know, Mary has actually appeared in that place. Yeah, so that's where they are coming from here. Sure. So one of her faculty will answer that question as well. Thank you, Christopher. Thank you for that, Pastor Jaykumar. Over to you. Yeah, thank you Nancy. Thanks, Chris, for that question. To answer that question about praying in tongues and even singing in tongues. So we go back to 1 Corinthians 14 and, you know, there's a detailed explanation on how tongues should be employed. And definitely it's for personal edification. And so if you look at the end of the chapter, he says, you know, let all things be done decently in order. And verse 39, I do not forbid to speak with tongues. So we can, you know, pray in tongues in an assembly. But the thing is we can speak it between ourselves or pray in tongues between ourselves and the Lord and not as a message to the church. And if it's a message to the church, then it has to be accompanied with interpretation. So as a worship team, I mean, the instruction we give the worship team is that you step away from the mic and sing in tongues, you know, not into the mic so that it's loud and overpowering. You just step away and sing in tongues. Because in a typical Sunday church setting, we have people who are believers. We have people who are maybe understand about tongues. And we do have others who are first time visitors, maybe who do not have this understanding of tongues. So that also is there. But going by the biblical instruction that unless there is an interpretation, don't give it as a message. But you know, we can pray and sing between ourselves and the Lord. But having said that, if there is a, you know, if it's like a gathering of believers and you know that it's like maybe leaders gathering together and believers gathering together for, let's say for an evening of intercession and worship and so on. So those are times when we can actually spend extended times as a corporate body just praying out and singing out in tongues. Yeah, I hope that helps, Chris. Yes, thank you. Yes, thank you. Thank you, Pastor Kumar and thank you, Chris, for that question. So, Chris, we'll go over to your second question here. I just wanted to know the exact question that you have regarding the shrines. Yeah, so there is this belief among this denomination. Primarily as me, it is the Catholics who believe that Mary has appeared, Mother Mary has appeared. And, you know, they have been shrines over there. So maybe in certain times of need or whatever, they have been, and I think it's primarily in Europe where she has appeared in certain locations. They have actually seen her. That's what they say. And, you know, they built a shrine over there. So what they have, you know, felt that is, you know, that is actually sort of elevated the position of Mary for them. And, you know, that's how they, you know, their belief is a lot more. And that's how they pray also to Mother Mary. So, but I think my question is more about the, you know, would that be something that, you know, would happen, you know, based on, you know, what, what, what are some of the principles or guidelines of the APC church and how, you know, how to, what is the view of all these, yeah. Okay. So thank you, Chris. So what you're saying is, what is our view about what you just described? So I leave this, thank you. I leave this open. If any of our faculty would like to address this matter, please feel free to step in. Christopher, I'll just like to share, you know, in response to this, two things. One is what the Bible tells us in, I just mentioned two places. Second Corinthians chapter 11 versus 13 to 15. Second Corinthians 11, 13 to 15. And also in Colossians chapter two, where he, my Colossians two, let me give you, I think it's verse 18. So Colossians to 18. So in second Corinthians 11, 13 to 15, Paul talks about Satan transforming himself into an angel of light. So the fact is that demonic powers can appear as divine beings appear. So that's why it's called in a parish. I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not real. It's like what appears. So Satan can appear as Jesus Christ, right? You know, and their people, like, you know, I've read, I read some time back, I mean, long back, actually a book on the New Age where this person, the author in his personal experience used to have appearances of Jesus to him. But obviously it wasn't the Lord Jesus appearing, but it was demonic powers appearing like this person of light, appearing like Jesus and giving him messages and so on. You know, and so Paul warns us about this, right? So whether it's an appearance of Jesus, appearance of some saint or Mary or, you know, any divine being, we have to test everything knowing that Satan himself can impersonate divine beings in appearance, in whatever spiritual experience that may be, whether in a vision, a trance or a dream, so on. So Paul, again, I quote another verse here. Paul says in Galatians 1, he says, you know, verse 8, even if we are an angel from heaven preached to you another gospel, you know, let him be a curse. Galatians 1, 8. So I'm looking at these three references, right? Second point is 11, Colossians 2, 18 and Colossians 1, 8, where the Bible is warning us. Justin, I'm just mentioning these and we can definitely look at a lot more scriptures where the Bible warns us that demonic powers can appear as, you know, divine angelic beings, angels of light. They're impersonating the light, you know, they're pretending the light, but they're actually spirits of darkness. So when we have reports of people meeting Jesus or meeting Mary or Peter or any of the saints or any of the angels, everything has to be tested against scripture, right? So example, suppose somebody says, you know, Apostle Paul appeared to me and gave me this message. He gave me the missing gospels that he had actually written and, you know, he gave it to me personally and I have this personal copy of all the missing gospels that Paul had written. Okay, we have to test all of that, you know. So to answer your question, that's the position that is these appearances of any angelic being, whether these whatever, you know, like I said, it could be right from a being of the Trinity to an angelic being to a saint or a whatever. Everything has to be tested against scripture. How do we test them? Do they exalt Jesus Christ? Are they in line with the truth revealed in the scriptures? Do they take, you know, do they draw us closer to the true and living God? You know, so we have to test these things. So in specific, and to go back to a specific example of any kind of apparition of Mary, I would question it because the Bible, nowhere does the Bible exalt Mary as a being to be worshiped, you know. So that is a big danger because Mary is not someone to be worshiped. You don't see it anywhere in scripture. So that itself is a clear indicator that that's not of God when some spiritual experience elevates Mary to a place of, enter to a place higher than what is shown or shared in scripture. So in a nutshell, we had to test all of these things where to keep in mind that demonic powers, spirits of darkness can appear as any being of light. And so we had to question and test everything. Hope that helps. Yes, thank you, Pastor. I mean, so just to, in a sense, confirm this also is that nowhere in the Bible has there been any mention of, you know, any heavenly being, including Jesus or Mary, you know, coming, you know, coming onto the earth, unless the only one would probably be Jesus coming out on the second coming of Jesus. Is that correct? I mean, in a sense that that would be also confirmation that this is not coming from God. Well, actually, the Bible has both the Old and the New Testament has instances of the Lord Jesus appearing to people, right? So in the Old Testament, we have God appearing to people. In those days, they saw it as an angelic being. So whether it's Abraham having the experience of, you know, angelic beings coming to him, and usually this would be the capital A, because it's not very obvious that is it God or is it an angelic being? But then as you read the conversation, you'll find that it is God. So you'll have many people, you know, Abraham, Moses, so many Old Testament people and the New Testament, Paul himself had encounters with the Lord Jesus Christ and so on. So does God really appear to man? Yes, he does in visions that people have seen God or the Lord Jesus Christ appearing to them, both Old and New Testament. So God does appear and there are genuine visions, but we all have to be careful. And so everything has to be tested. And that's why even if somebody says, I've had a vision of Jesus Christ and I saw him with his nails pierced hands, that vision cannot be taken for granted. That vision has to be evaluated or tested in the light of, okay, what was stated? What was communicated? Who was glorified? Then we can say, yeah, that was truly from the Lord or that was a demonic power impersonating Jesus Christ. All right. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Pastor. And thank you, Christopher, for that question. We have some more questions here on the chat section. I'll read it out. Herbert has, he's asked us three different questions. So we will answer them separately. And then of course, Jack in has another question that she has posted. But before that, I just want to request all our participants, if you don't mind, if you could please keep your video off unless you are speaking, that would be very helpful because I noticed that some of the videos are on. Thank you so much for your understanding. So coming back to Herbert's first question here, he says, praise God, Satan and God, who is responsible for death? If it's Satan, why do people say that God has called the disease diseased? So we could address this question first and then move on to the other. So Herbert is asking, who's responsible for death? If it's Satan, why do people say that God has called the diseased? So that is his first question. Would like to request one of our faculty. I'll answer that first. Yes, please. Thank you. Thank you, Herbert, for your question. I'll answer the first part of that question. Who is responsible for death? Scripture clearly tells us when we read in Genesis chapter one that, you know, when God created us, Genesis chapter one was 26. Let us make man in our image. So we were made in God's likeness in his image, which means that, you know, God is without sin. He created us without sin. God is holy. He created us holy. God never dies. You know, he is always eternal. He created us in the same way. But if you also look at Scripture, Romans chapter six verse 23 says, for the wages of sin is debt. And going back to Genesis, the garden, God tells Adam and Eve in Genesis chapter two verse 17, that they must not eat from the tree or for the knowledge of good and evil because if they eat of it, they will surely die. And so that is, you know, what God says. If they eat from the tree, they disobey, then, you know, they will surely die. He's talking both about spiritual death and physical death, and that's how death comes into the world. Other Scripture passages, like I said, is Romans six 23 for the wages of sin is debt. And again, Paul in his epistle to the church at Rome in Romans chapter five verse 12 says, you know, just as sin entered the world through one person and debt through sin, and thus debt spread to all humanity because all sins. So, you know, and Romans three 23 says, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but specifically in Romans chapter five verse 12 says, you know, just as through one person sin entered the world that this, you know, Paul is talking about Adam just as through Adam sin entered the world and debt through sin, and thus debt spread through all humanity because all sins. So scripture is very clear about, you know, that debt is not from God. It is because of what man did. He disobeyed God sin, fell short of the glory of God and that is how sin entered the world. Just answer that first part of the question. Thank you, Pastor Nancy. Thank you, Pastor Selena Herbert. I hope that this addresses the question that you asked. I think we haven't answered the question. The question is, did Satan call the person home or did God call the person home? Okay. Yes, Pastor. Yeah. Sorry, Pastor Nancy. Sorry, Pastor. I also said that I'll just answer the first part of that first question, which is, you know, who's responsible for debt? So that's what I just answered. Sure. We still have the second part there. So who calls, you know, people home? Is it Satan or God? So that part of the question is still remaining. I just want to request one of our faculty to please address that. Yeah. Yeah, like what Pastor Selena explained. Yeah. So death came in. Death wasn't part of God's plan. It is not God's intent for the human race. Death came in because of sin. So to answer the question, like what Selena was saying, basically the direction that Selena was going was, first of all, death, it's the consequence of man's sin. So we can't blame God or the devil. Death came in both spiritual and physical. Death came in because of man's own doing. Right? So when a man dies in general, right? Overall, we're saying that death of that individual is not God's work. It's not even directly Satan's work. It is the result of sin, as Pastor Selena was explaining. So we cannot blame God, neither do we blame the devil. But so having said that and having that as the foundation of understanding, we then begin to look at specific individual cases. Right? So in individual cases, we have to look from that vantage point on having that basic understanding to see, okay, what actually was the cause of death. Now, and there is no universal answer because every person's life is subjective. For example, if a person dies in an accident prematurely, let's say a believer, a believer dies in an accident. We can't say God took that person. It's wrong to say God took that person. No, maybe that person was driving rashly and did something or somebody else was driving rashly and did something. So we can't blame God for that. We can't say God took that person or God called that person home. That's wrong to say it. Underlying, we know sin brought death. But in that case, it probably was somebody's mistake, you know, which actually caused the death of that person. Could Satan have been involved? Maybe. We can't always say that every accident is Satan's doing. It could be human error, human's responsibility. But can Satan cause situations to destroy people? Yes, we know he can do that. An example is in the book of Job, he caused all kinds of calamities, took away lives. And so we know Satan can do that, but we have to be discerning. So to answer, and then in the case of people who live out the full course of life or who do whatever God's called them to do, they've completed what God's called them to do and they live out their course of life. Then we can say that death, of course, it was not part of God's original intent for people to die, like we said earlier. But we can say that that person has completed their course and God has taken them home. In that case, yeah, a person has lived out their full course of life. They have now transitioned in heaven. We can say that. And that we could conclude those things from in the writings of Peter and Paul. Paul, for example, in Philippians 1 and 2 Corinthians 5, expresses, you know, I'm ready to go home. 2 Timothy 4, I'm ready to go home. Peter also in 1 Peter 1, he says, look, you know, I'm ready to put off this tent and I'm ready to go home. So now these people in their particular case while they were writing, they are ready to transition. They've done their work, they're ready to transition and it's more of, okay, I'm going home and God is taking me home. So to answer your question, individual cases, we have to look at it in a very subjective way. We cannot give, saying every person's death is God's work or every person's death is devil's work or, you know, we can't say that. We have to look at individual cases. But the foundation is God never intended a man to die. It all happened because of sin, that understanding we have. And then we look at it in an individual case. Have they lived out their course, full course of life? Have they completed what God wants them to do? And so on. That's how I would, you know, I would interpret scriptures on death and, yeah. Is that okay, Herbert? Thank you, Pastor, for addressing the second part of that question there. And Herbert, I really hope that it has answered what you, I mean, whatever you asked that it has been addressed thoroughly. There are two more questions from Herbert. So I'll go ahead with the next one. He asks, how can one develop the spirit of praying without seizing? How can one develop the spirit of praying without seizing? So we could take up this question next. How can one develop the spirit of praying without seizing? Okay, I think I'll just add some, share some thoughts here and maybe others could add to it. So as we see Herbert, scriptures do tell us, do encourage us to pray without seizing. And now that, you know, we have the Holy Spirit both indwelling us and the baptism in the Holy Spirit which is available to the believer, we also know that, you know, God blesses us with this gift of praying in tongues. So with that gift, you know, it is very much possible for us to stay connected to God and continually pray without seizing, empowered by the Holy Spirit. And of course, you know, just as believers, we can also pray from our hearts. And this is a possibility now for us, especially because of the baptism in the Holy Spirit. So that is something that I wanted to share. If there's anything more, I would request others to kindly add to this. Yes, can I please add a thought? Yes, yes, Pastor Paul, please. Thank you so much Herbert. I just wanted to add to what Pastor Nancy has mentioned. You know, we have the Holy Spirit inside of us and so we can always be in this place of prayer. But what I'd like to add is, so praying without seizing, Paul's writing to the Thessalonians, what I believe he meant was, it's not like we have to, you know, just quit our jobs or quit everything that we're doing and just stay home and just keep praying the Holy. But with the Holy Spirit inside us, we can be doing our work on nine to five jobs. We can, you know, be doing our chores, daily chores, driving. And every moment to be in that prayerful state or that communion with the Holy Spirit. And I believe that Paul is trying to communicate this that we can pray without seizing. Of course, there are times when we have those dedicated prayers when we close our doors and lock ourselves in and pray that praying without seizing can also be, at any moment, at any time, just having that communion with God through the Holy Spirit. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. First of all, and Herbert, hope that helps. Okay. We'll address Herbert's next question here. So this is about the degree from APC. He says if one has acquired a degree from APC, can he or she use it to do postgraduate courses, for example, in Africa? So we'll leave that open. Herbert, it all depends on the particular place where you're applying for postgraduate courses. So generally, APC Bible College is not, I mean, okay, let's just give you a background. APC Bible College is not accredited with any other organization. And just keep in mind that accreditation of Christian degrees, wherever it may be, India or wherever else, it's just a group of people have got together to say that, yeah, we are, you know, and they've established an entity that says, yeah, we approve of this curriculum. But in most cases, it's not a, it's not a quote unquote government accreditation. It's just an independent body providing that accreditation, meaning a group of people got together and saying, we vouch for this curriculum, you know, because Christian college or Christian curriculum, it's not a government recognized. It is basically some body recognizing it. Now, APC Bible College is not accredited with any of those accrediting Christian accrediting bodies. But what we feel is that just based on the quality of what we're doing and the nature of our courses, we want to be recognized. So by all means, you can apply to, you know, any postgraduate course in a college or university in Africa. You can reference our website and any letters that you need from us, we will provide so that they know that, okay, these are the top courses you've covered. These are the many hours of work, coursework you've completed. And then we leave it entirely to that institution to decide if they want to recognize this work or not. Now, what, if it is a Christian organization, you're going for a postgraduate course in a, you know, let's say a master's in divinity or a master's in theology. I'm sure that there will be a number of courses that they will recognize, courses, what we have done that they will recognize. Now, depending on their theological position, they may or may not recognize other courses so that, you know, that can vary from institution to institution. And some institutions may require you to take a few additional courses to, you know, depending on their program. So those are things we are aware of but we will do our best to provide you with any letter or information the college needs to verify the courses you've done. So just keep in mind that this is not a government run, you know, a government recognized program. So there will be that challenges there. It's not a regular university that's recognized by a government organization. Thank you, pastor. And Herbert, really hope. Okay, sure. So Herbert has responded on the chat. Thank you, Herbert. We will now take up Jacken's question. She says, dear pastor, need some clarity on pastor's book on refiner's fire, yielding and submission to God wholeheartedly is something I can understand and pursue with the Holy Spirit's help. And the purpose is for our own purification, removing the draws. My question here is, if I am put through trials many times again and again, is it that I have more draws? I mean more rebellion within me or is it my season time has not yet come? Please clarify. Thank you. So that is Jacken's question while going through many trials, is it because of the draws or rebellion in us or that our season has not yet come? So I would like to request pastor, pastor, if you could please address. Yeah, thank you for that question. Jacken, I think, you know, let's say a person is going through trials over and over again. There could be several factors to this, right? It's not that God wants us to stay in that, you know, a lifetime of trial. No, right? It's like, you know, God takes us through seasons or refining, purifying and we go up, but it's not, it doesn't have to be a long drawn out lifetime of trial. That's not God's intent. So when a person is repeatedly in this difficulty or time of difficulty, we have to ask questions like, are they doing the right things, you know, to grow up, to make progress? You know, so example, let's take an example. And this has nothing to do with you. I don't know you personally. So don't take this example as personal. I'm just making up an example. So let's say a believer is in constant financial difficulty. Okay. And the believer says, okay, maybe this is my, you know, trial and purification or in court, God is trying to teach me. Well, maybe they're just, they don't have financial discipline. Maybe they're just every month spending more than what they're earning. And so they're stuck in that situation. Or maybe they have got themselves into huge debt and they don't have a proper plan to clear that debt and move forward in life. And so they're stuck in this financial situation where they have this huge debt. They're having, you know, they're spending more than what they're earning. And therefore month after month, they are in this quote unquote time of trial and difficulty and God has nothing to do with this. You know, the answer is, hey, you need some guidance on that person, need some guidance on how to put their finances in place and come out of this as soon as possible. And that's the answer. But somebody can spiritualize an experience like this and say, oh, I'm going through a lifetime of trial. And that is wrong, you know? So what my response would be, there is a genuine work of God where he does refine us and purify us. And remember, the refining of purifying usually comes through the working of his word, of his spirit and through people and sometimes through circumstances, right? So we shouldn't always take every difficult circumstance as God is purifying me. No, we need to look at some underlying things. You know, hey, how are you living life? Are you living right? Are you doing the things you're supposed to do responsibly? And we shouldn't spiritualize our failures and call it as God purifying us and so on. So to answer your question, there are numerous factors involved. We need to look at all of these things objectively and to say, to just make it very brief, normally speak, the way God normally works is there are seasons of trial. And these seasons are not lifetimes of trial. It's a period of maybe a month, a few months, maybe a year, whatever. You know, it's not like a long, drawn-out process. And the key to coming out of the trial, that season of learned trial is really you learn what God wants you to learn. You're basically graduating, right? It's like us writing exams to move to the next class, next grade. It's not like a long, drawn-out thing. You pass the exam, you move to the next grade, move to the next level. So we need to look at things like that. And we should be careful not to spiritualize too much. Look at everything very objectively. See where we need to get counsel and wisdom, because wisdom will help us come out of many of these situations that we think are trials, but really they are our own doing in our own lives. I hope I didn't confuse you. I hope that answered. Please feel free to ask any follow-up question. Thank you, Pastor. Yes, Jacqueline has messaged saying, sure, Pastor, thank you so much. So I think she has received clarity from what you explained. We'll move on to Sam's questions here. So he has two questions. The first one that he asks is, could you share any thoughts on Sola Scriptura, the idea that we must go only by the word of God. So the word alone, that's Sola Scriptura, versus we need to consider traditions, guidance, and counsel of the godly, et cetera. So how do we make decisions in general? That's what Sam wants to know. Is it solely by scripture, or is there place for other things like traditions, guidance, and counsel of the godly? Pasadipika, would you be able to address this question, please? I depend, Sam, on the focus of your question. If you're speaking about Sola Scriptura in terms of the way it was used by Martin Luther at that time, he was basically saying that an officially appointed governing body is right now deciding what people should do and not do when it comes to spiritual matters. So he said what they are saying, what that officially appointed governing body is saying is not in line with scripture, then scripture should be considered as the ultimate authority in deciding the conduct and matters of salvation and doctrine and all of that. So at that time when he used the term Sola Scriptura, all he was saying is let the scriptures be the final authority. The governing body should not be the final authority on determining matters of doctrine and conduct and all of that. So he was saying that scripture is supreme. Scripture is sufficient in tackling the main issues of spiritual life, answering questions regarding spiritual life. And scripture is clear enough to interpret. One portion of scripture is able to interpret another portion of scripture. So in that sense, we must look to scripture and if what people are saying does not line up with scripture, scripture should be accepted, not just the rulings of a governing body because the governing body may sometimes work for its own benefits. It may not always have the good of the people at heart in case the leaders of that governing body have become corrupted. So it's always good to have scripture as the final authority in determining different matters regarding our faith. But does that mean that we don't even go for godly counsel to people, to spiritual leaders? No, I don't think Martin Luther was even thinking of that because after all we have so many scriptures in the Bible which talk about the importance of godly counsel. Just to take one, Proverbs 11-14 says that when there is no guidance, the people fall but in the abundance of counselors, there is victory. So godly counsel is a good thing and I don't think solar scripture concept is cancelling out godly counsel in any way. We can always go to leaders for godly counsel but of course, once we receive the counsel from them we come back to the scriptures and say see whether what they are saying is lining up or not with what the scripture itself is saying. So yeah, solar scripture does not cancel out godly counsel. We can yes, definitely continue to go to leaders for godly counsel. I hope that helps. Thank you. Pasadipika and Sam, I hope that's okay. Would I just add a follow-up question Pasadipika. Thank you. Thank you so much Pasadipika. Pasadipika, could I just follow up a little bit? Yes, you could. We have two more questions to go so we'll see if we can accommodate them in this call because we have just about five minutes left so we'll have to be very brief. Also I realize that I think there's so much on this that I think part of this is my learning journey and I'm not in a rush also. But just to the first part of Pasadipika that we don't rely on a governing body but we rely on the scriptures as the final authority to guide us. So in that, so I think a little bit of struggle is the way the scripture is interpreted by the final governing body. So I don't have any particular but just probably just one or another topic of dissension which is salvation. Can a person lose his or her salvation versus a one saved is saved for it. So there are some different, like different governing bodies interpret that differently and I think that's what results also in denominations. So if I go to one denomination with scriptures the way that scriptures interpreted by that denomination is slightly different if I go to another denomination. So I think that is also another part which I am like a little bit struggling in terms of looking at scripture alone as guiding a believer's life. Thank you. So Sam thank you. Thank you Sam for sharing that. I would encourage you to maybe one of the faculty you could just reach out to them because it seems like you have you want to clarify other things in line with the question that you asked. So it might be helpful to do it personally is what I would say and also because of the paucity of time and I really hope that's all right with you. Thank you Sam. So Sam has another question here and Divya as well. We have only two minutes left. So would it be all right if we take this up in the next mentoring hour? Everyone? Sure, sure personally. All right. So I made a note of the questions here. We will pray and we will wrap up for today. Just want to request maybe John Paul? John could you please lead us in a word of prayer? Okay, no worries I think. I'll just pray. Let's pray and close. Heavenly Father we thank you Lord for this time that you've given us. Father we thank you for the different questions Lord that were asked. Father we thank you for your word. We thank you Lord for the work of your Holy Spirit Lord that you are Lord giving us revelation, enlightenment Father God and Father a deep understanding so that we can strengthen our walk with you. Father we pray that you'll continue to lead us in this way God that we will be able to learn many things about you and God that we through all of this Lord that we will be a blessing Father God to you and the kingdom Father. Thank you Lord. Thank you once again for this wonderful opportunity pray a blessing upon all the students and all the faculty Father God. Father we commit the rest of the day and all the classes ahead into your hands. In Jesus name we pray Amen Amen. Thank you everyone for connecting on the call and thank you faculty for answering the questions have a wonderful day we made a note of the questions addressed we will answer them later. Thank you God bless you Bye for now