 You know, we're on a timeframe. We're checking your watch where your phone is beeping, you know We're we're just rushing and we've only got 10 minutes and we feel like we need to get x y and z done and What's your recommendation for people that are struggling with that sort of thing? I have a quite a few of them. Most of them have nothing to do with horses. Yeah, that's great These days I recommend people take up some sort of a meditation practice like it's some sort of meditation app on your phone like Headspaces a good one and start out with you know a two or three-minute meditation a day It takes takes a bit of of doing that, you know, like they say if you If you you should meditate If you don't time that for 20 minutes a day you should meditate for 20 minutes twice a day But it's really it's it's yeah, I tell what something I started doing last year before I was told this practice to Count judgmental thoughts so when you wake up in the morning count judgmental thoughts during the day and What you find when you start counting judgmental thoughts is the first thing that happens You become aware of how many judgmental thoughts you actually have that's a big part of it But then you also become aware of how many judgmental thoughts you have about yourself Which is a big part of it and then you Then you kind of start to realize how much you actually beat yourself up about things and have you ever heard of Brené Brown? I Heard the name. I don't know anything about Brené Brown's an amazing lady. She was a quantitative research therapist. He was a quantitative researcher, but Now she's all the research that she ever did turned the thing that popped up That's the scourge of society is shame and she She quantifies a difference between guilt and shame is shame is I am stupid guilt is I did something stupid But next time I won't sort of thing. You know what I mean? And so a really good exercise is to count Be aware of your judgmental thoughts during the day I try to keep that in the front of your mind Is that a judgmental thought and count these judgmental thoughts? So then you realize how many you have but then you realize how many you have about yourself and then you can reframe them Instead of going oh, I'm so stupid. You can say oh, well that was a stupid thing to do I remember not to do that next time and so it takes that that heavy weight of Self-loathing or whatever the hell we all have you know that whole you're not good enough and all that sort of stuff It kind of it just starts to chip away at that and I really think When you start chipping away at that stuff it really that's when it starts helping with your horses because you can also Reframe things your horses do just so just learning to reframe judgments And so when your horse does whatever instead of going oh, he's doing that because he's trying to get at me And he's trying to you kind of go well He's doing that because if that's what he feel he needs to do to survive right now But it's it's I think it's anything you need to do with your horse I think it's a good thing to do away from your horse like practice that that personal growth stuff The horse is where you get to Test it out, but you don't you know if you're trying to change that about you only when you're working with your horse It's gonna take forever and And you're gonna you're gonna inject a lot of that stuff into your horse was if you can work on it You know away from that and then use those skills that you've got to Then use it when you're with your horse. I think that's I think that's really helpful Yeah, I think that that is too and I think that's really helpful for people to hear Because sometimes I think people think they need to do it all with their horse but there's so much going on and it's so hard to control all those little nuanced internal thoughts and feelings when you're with your with your horse and and It empowers them to then work on their horsemanship when they're away from their horse and Become that person that they can then take to their horse and then get the feedback from their horse You know whether they're on the right track or that because the horse will give you a pretty clear idea Yeah, I think that's that's that's probably a big suggestion I'd make these days is Is you know all that all that sort of stuff especially them especially the meditation. I think the meditation is Is so you know these days Navy SEALs meditate You know, I mean, it's not like it used to be some weird guy with a tie-died t-shirt cross it legged on a rock or something Right these days, you know NFL players meditate Navy SEALs meditate CEOs meditate everybody has some sort of a Now I think because I think we need that these days because we're all addicted to our phones and we've just got emails and so much stuff going on whereas guys like I once asked I Think it was Brian new bit When it wasn't Brian new bit it was no it was Kurt Pate is who I actually asked one time. I said, so what do you How did the Doran's brothers get that way? I mean they didn't meditate. They didn't read Eastern philosophy They you know, and they didn't go to see therapists. What? And he says I think it comes from being poor and being around animals all your life Yeah, they were the 10 year old girl their whole life Yeah so I presented at The best horse practice summit in Durango, Colorado a couple years ago and at the night time thing we had a dinner It's in an old an old Town hall in Durango, Colorado. It's beautiful But it's an old theater is what it is and so at night time We had a dinner and the after-dinner entertainment was Brian new bit and Randy Roman up on stage telling stories about the Doran's One of the stories one of them told was that they they had a herd of registered Angus cattle Okay, and they had a I think they were tattooed under their lips But they also had a tail tag on them that had their number on them And Tom was away one time and while he was gone Bill cut the tail tags off these I think there was 50 of these cows So they're black Angus cows. So I don't know if you know what I heard a black Angus cows looks like that They're identical so when when I Hope I get the story right but when Tom came home He said to Bill what happened to the tail tags and Bill said I cut those things up in it need them And Tom was like well, how are we going to tell them apart and Bill goes all I know every one of them He goes well having when they know their numbers. He goes well, I know them and their numbers And Tom is like really and Bill says yeah, let's go rope some so they go out there and Tom had roped the head Bill wrote the heels and then Tom and hop off his horse and walk down it before he got down there Bill would tell him the tattoo number before he got there and have a look at it And I only roped about four of them and he got everyone and right and Tom goes, okay, you do know but he memorized Of 50 Black Angus cows that are all the same age in the same shape and the same height. I mean, how do you do that? Yeah, that's amazing. That's like that's like being so present. It's not funny. Totally There's another brother, I think his name is Fred and they said he had the best memory of all of them Yeah So there's just it's just something I don't know must mean something that where they grew up or whatever but We had I met a lady the other day and she grew up in Arizona close to the Mexican border and her parents divorced when she was very young and She went with a father. She's like two years old and she went with the father. And so her grandfather was a I can't pronounce the name of it. It's an Indian tribe starting with a Y Is it Yacovai or something like that? But her grandfather was a was a cowboy worked on a ranch But he was of that Indian tribe and she spent all her childhood with him She said that he put her on the back of the saddle and they'd ride out They might it might come over a rise and he would just stop and say Tell me when you see it and she said she might sit there for half an hour and just observe everything that's going on and she'd go Well, there's a pair of red Hawks over there that have to look like they like their lifetime mates or something rather You know things like that and he'd go Look in the fork have a look at the mountain lion and the fork of the tree on the left You know things like that, but she would just sit for hours and just Observe things anyway. She is she can communicate with animals. She's got that, you know that mind body in a energy connection thing that I think she got it from her Spend all this time with her grandfather who was by the by the sounds of it of some sort of a mystical Sort of a dude, but the story she told me were pretty crazy about some of the things that they you know She she's experienced with animals, you know, right just having that presence in her body You know what I mean, but you know, she learnt that at a young age instead of having that phone Well, whatever, you know sitting in front of the television. She spent hours and hours and hours and hours now It's just out in nature. And I think that's what the Dorons is when they go up. That's what they did I think that's that's so lacking now and in Society in general and it really is sad because it completely takes us away from who we are and The powers that are actually inside of us, you know, the powers that we're not able to access because we just put all this stuff on top of it and My goal we homeschool our kids and my goal is to be able to just take them on the road With their horses and our horses and go explore the country and just trail ride and camp with the horses and just Find that just that presence with the nature and just just live, you know, live the life There's a lady that lives here in California named Kerry Lake and she animal communicator, okay, but she teaches people how to do it and She says I'm not teaching you anything. I'm helping you remember She says we all when more kids we're all in touch with all this stuff and we could you know There's information coming in and going And then we get to where it's all just going out not really touch of this sort of stuff I'm interested in Jane Pike before your mental coach for what a question is her husband is a Filmmaker for National Geographic and he tells a story about being in the jungle in the Congo And they're filming this tribe and so he's doing all the camera work and the sound work And there's the guy who's the microphone guy, you know, yeah, we're in the Congo with this tribe sort of thing And they would go out with them every day with the men hunting and they walk off into the jungle And he said it's so thick you walk 10 feet away from the camp and turn on you don't know how you got there Cannot be so thinking till the sun's up. You don't know what direction it's in that sort of thing And so after five days of wandering around the jungle for four or five hours a day and then always finding their way back to camp He said to the chief one day. So how do you find your way back to the camp because I You know, you're not doing the handsome and gradually not dropping breadcrumbs And I can't tell which way is which and he said, oh, that's easy. We just asked the animals and Giles was like But I've been filming you for the last five days. I have not seen you stop look up at a monkey and go Hey, mr. Monkey, where's my house? Can you see it from up there? You guys just I know we don't talk to the animals we Talk to the animals Wow And Giles You You can talk to the animals and he's like yeah, can't you and Giles is like no and so the chief was like hey kids Come over here. I want to show you something. This guy can't talk to the animals It's perfectly normal for those people to be able to do it I love it And I think I really think all the First Nations people of the world could Do that sort of thing because I just had that connection to nature. They weren't all civilized like we are And so that's what that Kerry Lake it talks about she's talking about Finding that again. She says we're all born with it And then we you know born with it with the varying degrees and then we have it civilized Out of us, you know, she told because I said well, how long have you been able to do it? Like get this feedback from animals. She says it was my first language I could do it before I could talk and I said so once you could actually speak and form words How did it go when you told your parents? Oh, by the way, the dog tells me this or the cat tells me this or the birds or whatever And she said oh, you know as you can imagine. Oh, don't be silly, you know Kerry's just Talking to imaginary friends and that sort of thing, you know, I mean yeah, yeah And so it's yeah, it's interesting that you know, I think at some point in time Especially if you grew up around animals, I suppose if you grew up in the city, you're not around animals You probably don't ever Get that connection anyway, but yeah, so it's Interesting stuff This is interesting stuff and it shows you how deep it can go and how far you can actually take it I presented at a horse expo in Minnesota, I think this oh the Minnesota horse fair, I think it was called And Sometimes of those horse expo's, you know, I'm kind of the most well-known person there and sometimes I'm the least Well-known person there. So sometimes you're in the the little arena over the back and the big guys are in the big Coliseum, but at this one a couple of days. I was in the the main Coliseum there and One of the sessions I did I talked for an hour about not training your horse Like this like things that are not training things about Ways to create connection with the horse, but it's not asking them to do things It's letting them know how present you are and you know, maybe matching steps and just being just aware of little things and Talking about when you ask for things asking with energy first versus a cue first and stuff like that and That place holds about 5,000 people full so that there by the end of I looked around there had to be a couple of thousand people in that that thing And they didn't leave, you know what I mean? There's actually more people coming as I was there so I went back to the booth and You know, I told people if you want to have chat come back to the booth. So there's a I go back to the booth there's a line of people and I noticed in the line towards the back line was his big tall old Craggy-faced cowboy guys got an old dirty old straw hat on he's got like a really dirty car heart jacket on with bib and brace overall sort of thing, you know And a lot of kind of enlightened People in the line asking questions about stuff and he finally gets up to the front introduces himself And I'm thinking yeah, this would be interesting and he says sorry, you were talking out there about Using moving horses with energy and I said yeah, he said Do you want to know the best way to get a horse to move off your energy? And I like sure and I'm thinking this is gonna involve a big stick, isn't it? You know and he said so what you should do is you should harness a great deal of energy in your root chakra and then Bring it up into your heart space and breathe it towards them That was unexpected Minnesota And I'm here in California kind of expect that, you know what I mean? This was an old cowboy guy. He probably was about 70 something From Minnesota, and that was the you could have knocked me over the feather. That was the last one I expected That's too funny, you never know Thing is I think I think back in those days that was common knowledge You know like that sort of thing I did it was I did a clinic in Australia earlier this year and a guy showed up the second day of the clinic and To watch and he was a craggy faced old cowboy looking fella, too You know look like a really old style horseman there, and I you know, he missed the whole introduction the first day So but I'm talking a lot about energy and we're working on moving horses with energy and intention and all that sort of stuff And he stuck around the rest of the day And I thought I bet this guy's over there thinking this you're an idiot When I was finished he stuck around and looked like he wanted to chat so he come over and introduced himself and he said You know you're talking about getting horses to move with an engine. I said, yeah He said when I was a boy He said I had an old guy show me he said if you have a horse in a round pin And you wanted to come to you the best way to do it is look at their home Point your finger at their hind end look at their hind end and just imagine all the energy coming out of you Down your finger towards that hind end if you do it for long enough they'll just roll around and come up to you But that was two experiences this year where so he was an older guy He was probably in his early 60s, and he learned from an old guy It's the same thing so I think all this stuff's just been lost It's not like we're inventing something new here, you know like the The the tribe in the Congo and and just things like that. It's it's not You know everything old is new again. It's just we Few generations we've got away from that sort of thing, but I think it's we've just got to kind of relearn it And I you know I You know I've changed quite a bit about what I did I've done the last probably the last three years. So for me, it's it's Still pretty fresh in my mind because what I was doing before, you know, I was a professional trainer So I was a horse trainer and get the horse. I train him how to respond to certain cues And there's a minute you give him I give him somebody else gives them they they work and At the time I still doing it but at the time I was traveling around the world doing clinics And I was helping people with a horse and I was working and so in my mind I was right Because it works It's working and so that's not That very long ago. So I know when people who are Not say where I'm in now. They're still right Yeah They're still right because in their experience, they're right Not like they know a better way or a different way this works for them And so so they're right so that really kind of for me It helps take the judgment out of when someone's not doing what you're doing. Yeah I Don't look at it and think when you're doing that wrong. I look at and think well, that's your truth at the moment You know, I mean, definitely and so and I think that helps you because if every person you see you think something negative about them that just adds up anyway, you know, I Took the year off last year from doing clinics. I kind of want to take a step back and and Well, the plan was to take a step back and kind of sort some things out But we end up doing the world of question games too. So that was kind of fun So I didn't travel much last year I'm back traveling this year when I've realized after like that judgment thing I was telling you about Yeah What I've realized in the past when I travel from in an airport if I'm walking through an airport or sitting in an Airport and I'm people watching. I'm judging I'm not thinking the best thing about every person that's walking by, you know And so what I had started doing was when I'm walking through the airport when people walk the other way I look him in the eye and I give him a little bit of a smile I might not even look at you, but then I think maybe happy in the next person may be happy. Maybe happy Maybe happy and what I found is you get to the other end of the airport and you have a completely different energy inside you Then I used to have walking through an airport. So I realized now There's never nothing going on in here. It's either something negative or it's something positive