 We have an economic and political crisis in this country. We need to develop a political movement prepared to take on and defeat a ruling class whose greed is destroying our nation. Tell me, is there some society you know that doesn't run on greed? You think Russia doesn't run on greed? You think China doesn't run on greed? The world runs on individuals pursuing their self-adventures. Democratic socialism means that we must create an economy that works for all, not just the very wealthy. The reason why you say that is because it is so hard for people to get out of the notion that life is a zero-sum game. They think if one man benefits, another must lose. But in a free market, both people can benefit. If somebody works 40 hours a week, that person should not be living in poverty. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you're talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. We must raise the minimum wage to a living wage. The minimum wage law is a law requiring employers to discriminate against low-skilled people. That's not the way anybody will describe it, but that is in fact what it is. It makes far more sense to me to put millions of people back to work rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Is it really true that political self-interest is nobler somehow than economic self-interest? You know, I think you're taking a lot of things for granted. And just tell me where in the world you find these angels who are going to organize society for us? Well, I don't even trust you to do that. My vision is transforming American society. Yeah, I don't have any doubt about his sincerity, but I think sincerity is a much overrated virtue. What troubles me about him is that he wants to run my life for me instead of letting me run my life.