 Run it up, do run it back, run it up, do run it back, run it back, run it up, run it back. Oh yes, we are still in Las Vegas and alive, which is a really big deal. This is Run It Back FanDuelTV, Michelle Beatle, Chandler Parsons, Lou Will, Shum, Sharaniah, who can now finally exhale, look at that suit, that looks like Las Vegas in the back, Shums, are you local? Shums. Let me find out. I'm in Chicago, I'm in Chicago, I just finished my trade deadline show, special, obviously a lot of moves that we're all going to talk about today, and yeah, I'm in Chicago, but I'm going to see you guys very, very soon, and I was told that I got to keep you guys in line, so I'm on the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Also, bring the suit, the suit is very good for here, and we're going to get to the trade deadline. And full disclosure, Chandler and I are applauding on you, brother. We're going to find you. That's right. So threatening. We're praying on you tonight. So threatening, by the way. We're going to have us a real hangover Vegas. How are you not, both of you, pooped, what'd you do last night? Actually slept last night. You did? I got a solid five hours last night, won some money. Tonight's the night, though. Worked out this morning? Want some money? I won last night. No, no, no, Lou, Lou. How much money do you want? Friday's the night. Friday's the night. I'm into it. You've got to save it. It's great deadlines over. Can I buy a nice watch? Yes. You've got your hands on the brand. Yeah. Well, a nice one. A nice watch. A lot of nice watches out there for a nice price point. Fine. We don't need to get into the details of what you guys did. We'll just get right into what has happened and why Shams has not been able to join us for the last few days because he's doing the most important work. The Lord's work, dealing with all things, trade deadline that is finally gone. It came. It went. Let's just start with the most impactful trade. What was it? I can't give you one, Michelle, but I'll give you a few. I think Boyan Bogdanovich, Alec Brooks going to the Knicks. To me, the Knicks had the best deadline day out of any NBA team. I think you look at the overall trade period, getting Ojeon and Novi, getting Boyan Bogdanovich, who at different points, the Pistons had first-round picks for Boyan Bogdanovich. You get him and you get Alec Brooks. Three high, I think, you know, in Ojeon, Boyan, two high-level rotation players, Alec Brooks, same way. They also, the most important part, they did not give a single first-round pickup long-term. They're going to have eight picks in total to trade this summer. They're primed to make another move potentially in the summertime. They have contracts to do it. But that's a story for another day. And then another several moves, I think, were very impactful. Buddy Heal, going to Philadelphia. They needed scoring with no Jolombe, at least for the next one to two months. They needed to get some scoring, some shooting to get that with Buddy Heal. PJ Washington going to Dallas. I thought that was a significant move. The Mavericks were scouring the market. They looked into Kyle Kuzma. They looked into Bobby Portis. They looked into PJ Washington. They land him. And I think this is something Luca Donchich, Kyrie Irving, they wanted to play with a four-man who could space the poor, handle, defend. And then another move, the Thunder, Gordon Hayward. I thought getting a veteran player, someone that can help slow things down, come play out of time, Sam Tresi, that Thunder organization. They wanted to find a spot for Trainman, who they drafted in the first round. The years ago, you go get Gordon Hayward. I thought that was a strong move. And finally, I think Royce O'Neill and David Roddy going to Phoenix. They give them three-second round picks and four minimum guys that don't really play in that rotation there. So you bring in two guys, one playoff-proving guy, and Royce O'Neill, another wing player, Young has some potential. They really fortified their postseason rotation today. Well, okay. That was just all broken down. You know what? Let's start with the Knicks, because that was the one, I think, that started off the morning. And I was like, okay, things are about to happen. Let's do this. Did you like the moves that were made? I did. I love Bogdanovich. I think he's going to obviously provide shooting, scoring. When you get rid of RJ Barrett and you get an OG that helps them defensively, but now they add other offensive weapons to, you know, take the pressure off of Jalen Brunson, allow them to kind of reload while Julius Randall is out this next couple of weeks. And then you look at the Eastern Conference, they're kind of right there now, outside of Boston. I like them now just as much as Milwaukee. I like them more than Philly with Joelle O'Neill. You like this move right here, you feel like this puts them in the... Listen, I don't think it makes them an automatic contender, but I definitely think this makes them better. I think when you look at Dallas, P.J. Washington, that makes them better, but also just giving up Grant and Seth Curry in a first-round pick. First-round picks are valuable, so you're giving up a lot for a dude. For this, you lose Grimes, which is funny, because they didn't put him in a trade last year for Donovan Mitchell. Now they do it for these two guys, which is crazy what a year does. It's exactly. You finally get off Evan Fournier, who we know he's not happy in New York anyways. I think just by adding these two guys, it gives them more depth. It gives them more scoring, and yeah, I think it puts them over the hump now, over those Miami's, Indiana's, Orlando's, and the Eastern Conference. I was surprised that Philly didn't go out and get some size to at least kind of weather the storm with Joelle and B being out. Instead, they went and got some shooting, and they got another point guard in campaign, but I didn't see any moves that really moved the meter for any of these teams. They were groundbreaking. One of the funny things I did see, that Pat Beverly, Genshin, Milwaukee Bucks, him and Dame Lillard having their little tiff, and they've already squashed it. How do you already squash it? Because they're not real beefs. He's got to squash it with Dave and sister. But what do you mean? You like tweet it out, like we're good? Or you actually call the guy and be like, yeah, I'm sure they've reached out to each other. I think there was an exchange on Twitter. I may be misspeaking. I think that's what I saw. But yeah, these things are not real beef. It's competitive nature. These are competitive. Usually when it happens and you go to the same team, it's nothing. And honestly, how young and how successful the thunder have been this season, adding Gordon Hayward if he's healthy. Can he play, though? That's right. It's a big gift. He hasn't played in a while. The situation was a little murky in Charlotte, but the fact that he's now in this system with this much talent, with this much hopes in the postseason. Is he the vet presence? Is that their own job? Is that it? Is that it? He's definitely the oldest guy on the team. They're one of the few teams that didn't need it, though. They look like they're very responsible. But they only gave up a little bit to get possibly a solid, solid player. I like it for them. How about Dinwiddie? Dinwiddie got moved. We wondered. He's getting bought out, though, no? He's not. Yeah. I'd like to see Spencer Dinwiddie. Spencer Dinwiddie. Yeah. He's had some. Yeah. He's going through a little bit. Yeah, talk to us. Yeah, Spencer Dinwiddie is going to be a free agent. He's going to hit the market. I think Lakers, Mavericks, Pelicans, Sixers all going to be in the mix. I expect it could be a potentially quick decision over the coming days. He's going to have to meet with these team officials. But I think he played in Dallas. There's familiarity there. The Lakers had interest in him at the trade deadline. So I think he's going to, I think this was the most surprising buyout guy, and you guys are just talking about Goren Hayward. I'll say this, you think about moments when a guy might not be able to play. If you have a guy like Josh Giddy or someone in that rotation who might not be scoring well, shooting well, you have a guy like Goren Hayward sitting on your bench. They didn't have that. And I think that's kind of a luxury for this young team. Sam Presti's keeping his core together, but to add around it without giving up any of the core guys, I think obviously a shrewd move in my opinion. I agree. And I do love Dinwiddie in Dallas. I think any guard that is ball dominant that can score and shoot the ball like him, that can relieve pressure off Luca and Kyrie. And when those guys are missing out, this guy can go and prove it and get you 25, 30 points a game. Like Shyam said, he played there. He's familiar there. That would be a big pickup. And also Shyam, I like Daniel Gafford to Dallas. I think he gives them a whole versatile big man that's going to hit the glass. It's going to be a loud threat like a lively. So I think he's going to help almost just as much as PJ. Shyam's, I'm so proud of you, buddy. This was your Super Bowl. Shyam, you were the man today, by the way. Get some sleep on that. I agree. You were in the number one spot today, Shyam. We'll see you out here. We're waiting on you, big cat. We'll see you out here. I'll see you guys soon. I'm going to make a rookie badass, Puka Nakua. Hey, I'm cussing. Puka Nuts. It's cussing in the intro. I mean, come on. We've come a long way. That's not a bad word. We get to talk basketball. I love it. Yeah, we do. We get to talk basketball. By the way, in case you were living under a rock best, highlights best name, Puka Nakua had a hell of a breakout year. Okay, no press coverage. I mean, look, that's a valid question. But we got you here. We're going to talk some hoops. We'll get to some football at some point as well. At Utah, you played high school ball? 100%. Tell me about your game, your position. I honestly, not a lot of tall people in Utah. I think I might have played the four at 6'1. In the whole state. Yeah, so scrappy. Yeah, exactly. But I think I was like, I like to say I'm versatile. I got some shooting out. Defense is probably my strong suit. I play with speed. But basketball, all this, all that. Playing a wide receiver. I got lateral agility. I don't know how consistent my shot is, but I'll knock it down at the feet throw line for sure. Okay. There you go. Now, I look good. Count on the gimmies. I'll get the gimmies. Oh, wait, wait. Don't say it. You had a handful of games with 20 plus points. In high school, did you have games to, you know, aspiring NBA player or was it always football? Shoot. I played for X and Malia. I played in the Ditas, Gauntlet and stuff like that. I wanted to play. Everybody always told me I was better at football. So I just stopped putting extra time to get shots up in the gym. I was like, let me get on the football field. And I'm not 6'7 either. So I was like, hey, you can't play the four for us. You're 6'1. And I was like, all right. That makes sense, coach. That's valid. Makes sense. Any of that training or your childhood plan, has that helped you on the football field at all? A hundred percent. Like I think as a receiver, I'll press release, like a release is at the line, it's like that's your cross over. You're a double up. Like I try to get cooped to play with me all the time because like those are the same movements. And then especially running like some of our pivot routes, like our return routes, like if you've got a good basketball pivot, like you know how to put your foot in the ground. You can run routes for sure. For sure. If you lace them up right now. Here we go. Give you 30 minutes in the NBA basketball game. How many points you're putting on the board? I think I could get 15 for sure. Here we go. 30 minutes? 30 minutes? If I'm going to play, do I get subbed out? Okay. No. So 30 minutes is yours. How do you get them? You make a jump first? No, no, no. I'm fast. I can dunk. I can dunk for sure. Still. Oh, yeah. You're right. What are you talking about? Yeah. I'm shooting left. Maybe if I get a wide open corner three, I'll take one. But like, I've got it. It's got to come in the rhythm of the game. You think I can catch you fast in the NFL? Yeah, a hundred percent. Yeah, all right. See? Cool, cool. At least he sees it both ways, though. I see. Wait, give somebody a hand. The quarterback has got to make it easy for you, but you got it. Yeah, that's what I meant. I know what you all got. I've seen a lot of them move. I'll be doing that. Let's go. Happy Lewis right now. Finally. That's two days in a run. That's where I sit. I can play an NFL. I am, bro. That's why I got Joe coming in here today. I'm like, if you just throw a jump ball, I get the five-yard bump. I get the physicality of it, but like, I'm so much taller than the quarterback. I can just catch a lob, like a jump ball. Red zone stuff. But I think the physicality of maybe, like, contact balance, like, it would be a little bit different. When you have pads on, you're a little bit heavier. I struggle with all that. There's that. Yeah, I think that's the consideration. But, like, you guys go high point of rebound every, like, you take the rebound, that's going high point of ball. But it's also illegal to touch me when I go for that rebound. Yeah, sure. Yeah. So, minimal contact. Can't not touch me when I go get that rebound. Yeah, I guess that's part of the hard thing. And then, yeah, landing is, yeah. Landing is not easy. Landing is going to be a problem. Now, growing up in Utah, does that automatically make you a jazz fan? No, I was actually born out here in Las Vegas. So I didn't, I got to pick my sports team. So that was, that was a nice part of growing up in Las Vegas. I did become slowly a jazz fan, but I love watching basketball anyway. Who are your guys going up? Yeah. Love watching play. I'm a LeBron stan, like, Legote James, like, I'm out there in L.A. now, so, like, I'm at the side, I love watching him. But I used to be, I love Russell Ressberg, I love watching him play, too, the energy that can pass, the passion he plays with, and he's just going full speed all the time. I feel like, I, when people ask, like, what it looks like when I play football, I think I would be very similar to Russell Ressberg. Speaking of, speaking of Brian, earlier this year, he called you Puka Dantje. Hi, G. Big-time compliment coming from him. Have you had an opportunity to meet him? No, I've been to a couple of games. I've been to the court side, like, well, he, they played the Knicks, they ended up losing, but he saw me right behind, like, the court side season, he's like, hey, you caught the touchdown. He was, he was, he treated me after the Browns game, but man, I'm telling you, I'm, I'm jumping up and down, they're losing the game, everybody's like, what are you doing over here? I'm like, the Browns, you're just talking to me, you got an icon down. Yeah, I was like, he saw me. Oh, how did you not meet at that one? That feels like the one that should have been no fair. They ended up losing, so, yeah, I mean, it's the same thing I've even, y'all would have, y'all would have, y'all would have came to the game, yeah. It's different, football. We play 82 times, 5,000 weeks to get over it fast. Get over, by the way, the, the video, they went pretty viral of you, you're shopping with your girlfriend, right, and you're, by the way, nothing wrong with this. I think most of us who are bored while somebody's shopping have done this, but you're busy watching highlights of what brought it. That was the day, that was the night LeBron hit the game winning Fritos against the Warriors. You look miserable, by the way. I know. You're like, why the hell am I here? We, that was shopping for her today, that day, so I wasn't miserable, but it wasn't my shopping. Good answer. Because those other days, you give her your credit card. Oh, well, on. You stay here at home, babe. Have a day. See, I didn't be playing the game, but see, I get my gaming at the late night hours. The sweat's beyond in the middle of the day, so that's why I stay on to that lobby. Wait, wait, wait, how long have you all been together? Two years. He's still got, yeah. He's still got it. Yeah, he's still got it. You still got to do shit like that. Yeah, yeah. He has to try it. We've entered a new world as I got into the NFL, that's all. It's like the whole thing. There's a guy on the Warriors, Santos. I don't know if you've seen this dude, but a lot of people think he's your doppelganger. I don't know if you agree. It's kind of weird when somebody else tells you that something. I mean, yeah. I got, I got my hair up right now, especially the guy with the clean shave face. Like, I... It's kind of there. If they need somebody to come off the bench and get five rebounds for them, use five thousand. And 15 points. I'm telling you, I could run up and down the court and get layups made of me. Dude, this would be the year they need you. I could do it. I would set great ball screens for Steph Curry, Clay Thompson. You can come pick and pop anytime you want, dog. There you go. That's pretty good, actually. Yeah, it kind of does look good. Let's talk football for a little bit. You obviously had one of the best rookie seasons of all time. All time. Congrats on that. What was your expectation going into it? You weren't a first round pick. So how did this happen so quickly? Shoot. I guess the environment. I think the environment I landed in definitely allowed me to thrive in it. But my older brothers went undrafted in the NFL. So to be drafted was like, oh, I just want to make sure I make the team. I'm going to do everything I can to make the team. And then I remember they threw me a pass in OTAs before we got the pads on. And I just remember thinking like, that was such a clean catch. And I transitioned. I made a move on the safety. And I was like, holy cow. It clicked in my head. I felt like, yeah. It was a moment like that. What I'm doing is working. So just one day at a time from there on. That's awesome. I was a late second round pick. Draft Day was kind of an experience for me. It didn't really go my way. But I was 17 years old. You were a fifth round pick. Did you keep tabs on every receiver that was picked before you? Oh, I love that. Do you have that chip on your shoulder? I definitely do have that chip on my shoulder. But there was no sore for that. I'm a competitor at heart. So I know when we go out there and we're in between those white lines, I'm going to let you know that if you didn't pick me on your other team, that was a mistake. But I feel like I landed in the right spot. I'm blessed to be where I'm at. But I know the guys who went before me. What's that feeling like to finally get that call and relief? Man, it was, I was sweating bricks, man. I had five other teams call me the day before, like Saturday was the third, the day of like the fifth round, the last couple of picks. And they're like, hey, make sure you're watching. I'm like, I've been watching the whole week. I've been sitting here like, ready? I'm like, what did I say to that? Okay, can we, that lion's situation. It's a tough game to go into because America had fallen in love with them. Y'all knew Matthew Stafford was going to get booed, right? Like nobody was kidding themselves. No. Yeah. Come on. I mean, I'm like, look, I'm a fan first. I boo things. That's what we do. But I'm reading things. I'm like, does he think they're not going to boo him? How was it? Was it weird? It was that as a competitor, like at a sports fan, that was the best environment to be. Yeah. Like to go in a way, a way territory and have everybody rooting against you and to feel like, okay, the 53 guys we got in the Rams uniform, like that's who we're rocking with and we're going balls to the ball. You can say it. You can say it. This idiot says F every day. It was a fun. It was a crazy environment. It was fun to watch. I mean, it was just a tough, and you guys got hot. Like this, this is not the Rams team that started the season, the end of the season, because I think a lot of people thought, oh, nope, what was the change? I don't know. I guess I don't know what it was like in the year before, but I know when we came back from the buy, I feel like our team really connected. I don't know. I think everybody got some time away from each other, so sometimes that's actually dice during the season. We got that little week away and then we came back and everybody had a singular focus. I feel like we all plugged into the same outlet. We're all tuning in the same channel and we able to start moving and seeing. All right, you brought these. Tell us what these are. The red and the blue complement each other so well. Does it mix well with tequila? It does, actually, so that's why I brought them. That's why I brought them for you. This week on Saturday, I'm going to be out in front of the horseshoe. It's Sip City secrets, so if you guys got some secrets, something you need to get off your mind, you can come bring it over there to the Big Pepsi Vault. We'll be out there when you confess and share your secret. The sharing is nice. Hold up. People are going to go to the soda channel. Confess your secrets. It's going to be written. It's going to go in the vault as well. It's like a confession. It'll be locked up in a way and then you'll have a chance when you confess your secret doesn't got to be anything too crazy. I know we're here in Vegas. You'll get a code and you'll have a chance to win some Pepsi gear and some Super Bowl gear as well. I'll be hanging out there if you guys want to come and hang out. I'm sure there's a lot of other things going on. There's a lot of time in one day for all his secrets. You know what? I finally got some sleep last night, Pugas. I'm actually feeling fresh. I worked out this morning. Who are you? I worked out in months. You know what? I played with Saquon two nights ago. He taught me how to play. This guy is an absolute freak. You played with him? No, I haven't. Absolute maniac on an offensive amount of money and he didn't win. At least you guys had a good time, right? He's what he started with. He doesn't have that currently. Pugas, it's been a pleasure. You were absolutely joy to watch this season. Good luck next season. It's just going to get better. That's what we're here to say out loud. I love that. We're here to take a quick break. Donovan McNabb, when we come back. Jumping over a human thing? Six-time Pro Bowl quarterback. I don't even know why I'm introducing you. Is it weird to go back and watch that? I think it's weird. It is weird because you know how long I'm going was. Yeah. And then now I got kids there in college or in high school and it's like, they don't believe I did anything. You know what I mean? It's like... Why would they? Your dad. I'm just like, you know, talking about kids, they play basketball. I'm like, you got to change your shot. Well, dad, how you shoot, nobody shoots like that. It's like, if it's effective, it's effective. You know, so it's... I just love these kids now because they don't know anything and we're old. Wait, did you have an unorthodox jumper? When I went up, I always went up this way. So I was able to see the realm to be able to extend. So now these kids want to do all this other stuff they see other people doing. And it's kind of awkward. The game has changed so much now if you can't shoot from 30. Steph Curry fucked it up for everybody. Steph Curry and everybody's a trainer now. Everybody's a trainer. Everybody wants to shoot from half-core. It's ridiculous. I got flip flops on. This interview just went off the rails. By the way, yeah, so you played both sports at Syracuse. Yes. Those are very different sports to play and keep things on track. How hard was that? Not necessarily because football helps basketball. It's hand-reaction time. It's being able to start-stop, being able to explode through the hole or explode to the basket. Being aggressive, the physicalness comes. You bring that to basketball because basketball players don't want to get physical. I say that in regards because it's like one thing that basketball players didn't want to do when we played in the Wreck in college, except Blue, was in the Wreck in college we always bodied them and they hate that. Like come off a screen. It's like boom, ball on top. That's football players playing basketball. Basketball players just got to be finesse. I got to hit you with this counter move, try to make you fall, get the crowd. Ooh! Couldn't have said it better myself. That's why I played both. It was just like I had the mix of both worlds. Brute. You're a brute out there. Do not say Russell Westbrook. What player did you kind of feel yourself? If you saw a player- My game? Yeah. My game was comparable to Baron Davis. Here we go. I was more like BD. BD is younger than me. But we were built the same. A little thick in the thighs. A little carriage. We got our carry-on back in the back. The glutes. And explosive. We were just both explosive. Watching the game now, the game is now you have to be first of all you got to be able to shoot. You got to be able to shoot in order to survive in the league. You can't just be a penetrator because everybody is going to collapse the hole. You know, you hear that comes with that terminology. I think in regards to the game now if you bring out Westbrook Westbrook probably could play football but the problem with Westbrook is he's got to be able to tone it down in football. And I don't know, he only knows one speed. And that's at 100. 1996. Two-sport athlete, obviously. Syracuse, you guys. We're in the national championship game. What was your experience like for you? The experience was different because my high school teammate was on Kentucky. Antoine Walker. We both graduated from high school together so to see him get to that point and to have the conversation with him because obviously we were on two different, I was playing football, he was playing basketball and to have that conversation with him it was like, so what's next? Both of us at that time, I think we were sophomores. We were in that point where he was the second or third guy on that team because Tony Delk was the guy. But people don't realize Ron Mercer was a freshman at that time. He was the second lead scorer on that team but Antoine was a guy at that wing position that the game was changing where you could put it on the floor they trusted you hitting that 15 to 20 footer he could rebound and he told me, I'm a go pro and I'm like, you know, at that time you talking about 96, anybody talking about going pro like, dude, ain't no going back he's like, I'm out and end up being a lottery pick and his career was what it was and the game evolved I think from that early part where now all of a sudden wings had to be like guards and stretch forwards had to be like the small forwards and now you got fives trying to be like everybody or you just playing five guards at a time that's all, that's all did you guys win a state championship? we had a losing we had a losing in to make it to the state but I mean at the end of it all I went to Syracuse, he went to Kentucky we had another guy that went to Loyola, Marama so we had guys that played division one ball but it was still in Illinois at that time we had guys that played major D1 basketball so it wasn't as easy as it may sound because you got thousands of players so obviously you went to Syracuse it's a long list of legendary hoopers who's the best basketball player ever at a Syracuse? I'm going to have to go Pearl Washington oh, Pearl Washington there we go I played with John Wallace I played with Lawrence Moten Lawrence could score John was that wing like I talked about where the game was kind of evolving at that time where you could put it on the floor but Pearl was in the era with Big Pat Ewing you talk about St. John, you talk about Pitt all these teams that created the Big East and Pearl was that guy that put Syracuse on the map because he was the point guard with Flash he was the point guard that could get to the rack and he was the one that kind of had the smile and everyone's always going to remember Pearl No love for Mello? Mello second? He wasn't there long enough, he was one and done but it was an election Yeah, Carmelo was the one and done everybody that I know of at least there for three years Mello gave us one year it was a national championship and then he was gone You already alluded to how your physicality got you through from basketball to your football career do you think in your prime you could have played in the league you could have played in the NBA? No, I'm not one of those guys You know how everybody always would have been, man I could have played I mean I played picked up with a lot of the NBA Now we got some honesty today we got some honesty today I'm not going to say I won't get buckets but no, to play 82 games and play in the NBA, I'm not that guy I love to play pick up with the NBA players because they don't expect much from us and then you know, we rebound we kick it out, we hit a couple of jumpers but other than that, no, I couldn't I wouldn't be that guy Well nobody plays any two games anymore anyway That is true, I mean you're going to have to load this game for about 35% of the season I'm just saying, I love I respect the NBA players they always do and you know, y'all don't prepare like we do, but it's it's fun watching you guys Why do you have to throw it like that? Because I train with Grover who is Toby and Mike Craner and I remember being over here lifting the 95's the 110's and then looking over here and NBA players lifted 45's and 55's But we running though Now y'all like soccer I would like to see where y'all play with the cardio because cardio we can run all day In the summer, we'll run with you but during the year now, we ain't doing that That would actually be like a fun reality show I'm like wait, so when did you know alright basketball's done I'm going straight football Was there a moment? As far as that transition when I was just going to focus on football it was probably my junior year college Junior year college not that I had hopes of being interested in the basketball but the focus of me just focusing strictly on football was more like my junior year college It was a down year we lost in the NIT coach wasn't playing me as much as I should have and it was just like you know what, I'm just going to focus in on football It was a smart decision and it was the decision I should have made anyway but I just love basketball like after football I couldn't wait to join the basketball team I'm playing basketball, I'm having fun with traveling, I'm with the guys we're just having a good time we made it to the national championship game made it to the tournament the tournament is fun because it's in the same time a spring ball so I'm missing spring ball practice and I'm playing basketball that's why I was like let's keep winning so I can miss spring ball and then we lose and it's like okay I'm going to take like then you get that call tomorrow I was like yeah I'll be there I tried no, gotta get ready for the spring game absolutely you grew up in Chicago, late age, early 90s MJ Bulls, how much influence did he have on you, just your overall career and development the same type of influence he has on these current players that are playing now and anybody who doesn't play but if he walks through here watch how everybody becomes groupers I'm telling you, you got grown men acting like groupers they just want to touch them they just want to see them you've heard it so many times with Mike it's like Black Jesus you sit there and he walks in and you're just like look at him but the thing about it with Mike though being a Bulls fan growing up you felt like if I had something if I wore the wristband like Mike if I chew the gum like Mike I walk like Mike, like put the shoes on you step on the court you just feel like you was just invincible even if your game was busted you felt like your game was going to be right that day because I got my Jordans on and that's how some of these guys are now like you walk around if you under brand Jordan or you wearing the Jordan it's a different it's a kind of aura that you have like you know what today is my day it's like you didn't play today you got a DMP you felt like the man I look good though he's your goat and the thing is I hate the conversation because listen LeBron's done great things in the NBA he's surpassed Karim which Karim doesn't get the credit he deserves but you can't get to Mike when you don't have the championship that Mike has had the appearances he's had and no game sevens and then you skip it over Kobe like at some point we're going to mention Kobe in the likes of the only reason that happens is because Kobe always try to say I'm going to be MJ like he mimicked him his body language I don't have a problem with that no it's not a bad thing I think in that argument that's why he kind of gets skip it's like they the same guy they 1A and 1B so yeah they grew but they never mention them they never give him them we talk Kobe no Kobe for a while and we got a chance to talk because we both were on the circuit the girls club circuit AAU circuit when he was coaching Gigi and so my daughter we were coaching her and we got a chance to sit down and talk we had played golf together a couple times too but it's just the thing with Kobe was I get it you find that guy and you follow and mimic him because you know his greatness and it was the same thing for a lot of NFL players we find that quarterback and we try to emulate what he does hey okay he's throwing like this in the pocket his movement what is he looking at what is he reading and then when you finally get a chance to meet him those are the questions you ask because you're trying to improve your game now it just so happens that their game is very similar but if you look at LeBron LeBron looks like magic like he has a little bit of mic in him he has a little bit of calm alone in him and if you ask him I'm sure he's taking pieces out of everybody else and then kind of added his own little flair I'll ask you this a little football talk I love talking basketball because you're very knowledgeable about the game but I'll ask you your former coach Andy Reed going for his third Super Bowl with the Kansas City Chiefs what was your relationship like with him and are you rooting for him father figure great friend I am rooting for him and you're seeing just an extension and an elevation and progression from what we had in Philly and he'll probably be the first to tell you he's learned from the success that we've had in Philly and the failures and now I have corrected that in Kansas City you've got the coach who has been the two organizations and taken both organizations of Super Bowl you've had a guy who's been the two organizations has had one of the top three winning percentages at that time while he was there in the league with both organizations you've got a guy who's had a quarterback that he took a flair on on both organizations one I was his first pick in 99 and we've had success for him to move up in the draft to grab Patrick Mahomes which a lot of people didn't have Patrick being drafted at that point and both of us sat for both of us sat pretty much for a year to learn is he the gym as well Brett Vich who was with us in Philly as well but the moves he makes the moves he makes and that's the thing is he took a flair on a lot of guys nobody thought Travis Kelsey would be who he is Travis had issues in college he almost got expelled that's what I'm saying I can be your friends should have got expelled cut it to me he would have got expelled but I'm just saying there's things like that that's the type of person that he is I'm cheering for him because just think of 3, 4 years if he decides to retire 4 or 5 years and he goes to the subo 2 more times we're now talking him up there when Patrick's now up there with the Joe Montana's and the Tom Brady's that's a great run for him for over a 30 year coaching almost 30 years of coaching 25 years when he drafted me wow it's crazy I want to talk eagles for a second because the quarterback receiver relationship you had to her step brown we always like as media and fans we're just like oh this looks fun and dramatic and it must be tough some days but also fun on others what is the key to sort of keeping that relationship on a healthy path and a successful path you mean the quarterback you and the receiver for a receiver standpoint it's never enough fair they don't get enough touches they don't get enough attention they don't get enough love it's like dating and no matter if you're cool off the field they still just want the ball I mean a lot of times too a lot of times and it's like basketball what happens on the field still carries off the field and so you can throw 10-11 targets to a receiver he catches 7 of them for about 120 yards the other receiver gets 7 catches or 6 catches for about 110 yards man I was hoping on this play and then it's like the media is coming it's like hey great job you threw the ball for 400 yards what could you have done better it's like the point guard missing me when I'm wide open didn't it come to you what happened on the lob it was a 201 break it was open and it's like and it's never enough and so I don't really get much into it with that but it's on every team it happens on every team it happens it just so happens in my team it just blew up and for years by the way just to start a season 10-1 like they did whatever the hell that was how it ended do you make any sense of that yes a lot of it was covered up where they were able to fight back at the end but reality kicked in in the last six and I say that because I do Philly radio every Monday and that was a conversation I had like I can't get excited about these last couple games yes we won at the end but we were off in the first half we're banning the run defensively we're still awful but we beat Buffalo yeah we beat the Giants and then all of a sudden these last seven games it's like now everybody's starting to see it in the middle of our defense is awful we're getting killed in the passing game we're not running the football we're getting off on third down we're inconsistent and now we're losing to the Giants we're losing all these teams and we get the playoffs and you think we'll just turn it on but at least the Cowboys lost too you know what I like that I'm a Dak fan I don't like the Cowboys but I'm a Dak fan and it's rightfully so it's a rival but I'm happy for him that he had the type of success he had yes everybody came down on him because they were waiting on things to fall apart and when it did it was like I told you so it's like okay he had a good year I get it but still that's the way football is if you didn't win in a chip you had an awful year and you didn't get over that hump Dallas? well Dak because I know you don't care about you don't care about that so I asked about Dak just being because you know obviously the Dallas Cowboys they're going to be criticized regardless does he need to play somewhere else? no because we are who we are I mean if he goes anywhere else it's still going to be Dak I think for Dak there has to be consistency in the playoffs 35 to whatever I mean he didn't give up them yards and touchdown and then they far back to score but I think he has to have success in the playoffs and the same with Baltimore with Lamar he's got to have success in the playoffs as a quarterback we're measured by your wins and losses in the big time and that's being in the playoffs or making it to the subo no matter what your regular season look like but you got to win Joe Flacco for example the way he plays in the regular season not that great but if you look at his numbers in the playoffs unbelievable I got to ask you I got a fully loaded Jaguar on the Chiefs Sunday oh my lord fully loaded I'm talking heat seeders I got it all who you got in the game Sunday I got Kansas City love that they may come off as a bias but that's the thing is toss up it's like almost when I played Tom in the subo it doesn't matter if they're underdogs or they're the ones that you're picking Tom Brady is behind center Patrick Maholes is behind center and he's been in this situation so many times and look what he's done in the playoffs if he doesn't turn the ball over in this game it might really literally get ugly oh I don't want to love to hear it it's gonna be a good game I love it I'm telling you my 30s from Arizona and I've seen Brock in high school Gatorade player of the year 1st state championship Brock is what we've seen from Brock this year that's Brock but you can't turn the ball over you turn the ball over and fumble interception get off on third down and you give him the ball and he's driving and you don't and one thing I don't want to see a lot is Taylor Swift oh you're gonna see that and you know if you see her that means Travis is catching the ball there's a problem although what if they're losing and it's just bad Taylor a lot of people will be excited about that a lot of people will be excited but now it becomes what she's wearing did she make it from her concert I bet on it of course you can't to generate you are the worst all right on that note we're cutting it off we're done for a second donovan he's so stupid quick break we'll be back with some more run it back are you betting on it it's not proposing you got the 23 on legendary but more importantly Chandler's friend what an idea thanks for coming let's speak so highly let me tell you something Joe Hayden we went to college together and from the moment neither of us went to college fair enough you're both all Americans but you're all American Michelle you don't go to class knock my bracelet off Joe to him becoming the highest paid corner back in the NFL this man has never changed he's the most happy positive person in the world awesome family wife Sarah he's the greatest dude on earth you ever have anything bad to say about Joe Hayden I automatically don't fuck with you there we are there we go you said this hosting thing is that hard that's how you intro by the way how do you stay friends with this person the same thing he says about me he's wild but he's genuinely one of the best people I know his wife his family he's one of my best friends we went to college we went to University of Florida together he was there you won one or two we won one national championship but it was crazy we had Ryan Lochte it was the craziest time ever Cali Rivers was like the volleyball we were winning national championships in every single sport and somehow me and Jude still ran that campus with Teebo and everyone else there Cam Newton was the backup yes me and Cam Newton were roommates what's the deal with the dressing lately I was with him yesterday at the Cosmo same thing crazy you have a translator for the texting how do you decipher the text messages you can read it it takes too much time it's like a serial killer is writing it out it's crazy he asked me to do a podcast and it was like a bunch of like his own language should we talk some hoop go ahead obviously you were a big Cleveland you were there you would always be court sided how was that we used to go to the rec center in college big hooper the craziest part was when I got drafted to Cleveland past LeBron in the air he went to Miami and I got to Cleveland so my first there was Kyrie got drafted and Tristan Thompson so I was there and Cavs weren't really that good but I loved basketball so I was going to all of the games nobody was really walking around and we weren't winning too many games so me and Dan Gilbert started having a really good relationship sending me court side tickets I was getting six tickets for a game 4-3 they was kind of giving away what else can you do in Cleveland here we go no we had the Indians we had some good stuff rock and roll whole thing rock and roll whole thing I got that and the casino the jack, the exo, good food so long story short that happened when LeBron came back that's when it really got lit Dan Gilbert was really so sweet to me and he wasn't there and we were losing so when he came back everybody was trying to get tickets did you still get your six? no I did not get my six but I got my two at a great rate okay it was good to go that's hilarious I gotta ask you you spent some time in the land who parties harder NBA players, NFL players I've experienced it we got an opinion after not compromise our professionalism in the off season who parties I would say NFL players party harder I think NBA players party just as hard but better they move they move more presidential I think they got a little more money so they know the way to move a little better but NBA players move but NFL players probably party a little harder last year that was going to be my opinion I've watched NFL players party shirt soft on the tables they're partying and I'm in the corner looking like sounds familiar I'm in the corner like this that is funny would never think you two were the classier of them my shirt's definitely been off for a while maybe I've longed in the NFL maybe you're a hybrid we were talking about Joe as a cornerback did you want to be a receiver first and then you end up being a cornerback how do you become a cornerback I wanted to be a quarterback my whole high school I played safety on defense but I was a quarterback I wanted to go play quarterback and then when I went to Florida I was going to get in and the urban mind was like Joe if you want to make this a thing you can start at corner if you don't like it we'll switch you back to offense actually I went to quarterback to wide receiver then I was behind Percy not going to start again so then I went to defense he was like you can start as a freshman if you don't like it we'll switch you back to offense call my dad he was like if you want to make this a thing if you want to go to the league there's not too many 511 quarterbacks in the NFL if you want to be a freshman all-american I'm like I can go to the league so I can really do this so then I just locked in we got a lot of similarities man we both championed at 23 Philadelphia is one of the places I call my second home Los Angeles with the Clippers that's another place I call a second home two teams that were very instrumental in my career when it's all sitting down for you the Browns and the Stillers when Ken calls in your Hall of Fame career what do you want to be recognized as Stiller or Brown? I want to be recognized as a Brown I went back and I signed a day contract I retired as a Brown I love the city of Cleveland they drafted me I got there 2010 and they showed so much love the fan base is amazing we were losing all of the time different coaches, staffs, different everything but just the way that they showed me love, embraced me with Dan Gilbert with like just the city you know what I'm saying so that's why I'll never forget them when I went to Pittsburgh, Coach Tomlin just seeing the way that you can really like the way that they ran the organization Coach Tomlin favorite coach I've ever played for in my life Urban Meyer amazing but Coach Mike Tomlin best coach just a leader of men I love that dude, left him so much he deserves everything so then how about this year when people were like he might get fired they're tripping you don't know what you got until it's gone so if Coach Tomlin they let him go what are we talking about I don't know I don't know I don't know they painted on there Joe it's in Beijing he's got a barber on just on salivary haircuts are a big thing in our community channel I don't know if you notice look at his hair are you kidding me I got a mullet I'm going in the bag you got a tape rate I'm a businessman up front part of your back trying to get an herbal essence deal out of here let me live that's still a thing I don't know my last question for you what quarterback or no what receiver was the toughest to guard and what quarterback that you like you could read easiest okay so the toughest receiver to guard was probably Antonio Brown and Calvin Johnson yeah mega drum those two dudes Antonio Brown I think it was a mixture with him because he had a big band just covering that dude for over five seconds but then I say the easiest quarterback that I love to read though she's like I love this dude to death Andy Dalton oh the red rocket the red rocket was tossing me the things like I was the one I received I think it was Joe Flacco that I picked oh that Flacco 5 Joe Flacco was nice this year I was looking now I'm like somebody should have signed me back you mean a little 5 a year I'd have been out there picking some shit off Flacco's elite by the way Chandler we have like 20 seconds left this is your end of the show so take us away well I was gonna say Joe I wanted to we already go all week long about whether we could score or whether you could score at the NBA so if you don't mind I want Lou to be the quarterback and after this show just for social media I'm the quarterback now you're the quarterback and I'm gonna run around and I'm gonna see if I can massage you after this show so that's happening after the show check out social media that does it for us peace