 Good evening. I'm calling to order this meeting of the Arlington Select Board on Monday, May 22. I am Select Board Chair Eric Helmuth. Tonight's meeting is being conducted in a hybrid format, consistent with Chapter 2 of the Acts of 2023, signed into law on March 29, 2023, which further extends certain COVID-19 measures regarding remote participation in public meetings until March 31, 2025. Before we begin, please note the following. First, this meeting is being conducted in the Select Board chambers and over Zoom. It is being recorded and simultaneously broadcast on ACMI. Second, persons wishing to join the meeting by Zoom may find information on how to do so on the town's website. Persons participating by Zoom are reminded that you may be visible to others and that if you wish to participate, we ask you to provide your full name in the interest of developing a record of the meeting. Third, all participants are advised that people may be listening who do not provide comment and those persons are not required to identify themselves. Both Zoom participants and persons watching on ACMI can follow the post of agenda and materials found on the town's website, specifically the Select Board agendas and minutes page. Let's see how much of the town's business we can get done tonight. Before we begin, I'm glad to see people here in the room and on Zoom as well. Regarding public participation this evening, we do have an open forum which is after item 10 and that's the opportunity for residents of the town or anyone who's here or who is on Zoom to make a comment to the board about whatever you'd like. There's a three-minute time limit for that and what it will do when we get there is if you're watching on Zoom and you want to participate in open forum, wait for me to announce that and then be ready in Zoom to raise your hand. So if you don't know how to raise your hand in Zoom, now would be an excellent time to google that so that you're ready to go because raising your hand on Zoom will get you on the meeting list and of course people here in the room can really actually raise their hand and come to the microphone at that time and just remember to give your name. And so that's the extent of the public participation. That comes before most of our other business. The other items that we're discussing tonight don't have a specific public hearing or public comment forum. So if you have anything to say about that business, open forums your time. All right, first item on tonight's agenda is a pleasure. So I was at the pleasure to be at the retirement ceremony on Friday for our retiring veteran services director Jeff Chunglow and I surprised him with the news that his colleagues suggested quite rightly that the select board issue a proclamation in his honor and he said he wanted to send his regrets that he couldn't be here tonight because he is in his new home state closing on a home today but we'll hand this to him on Memorial Day. He is going to come back to Arlington for that. So select board I hope will vote in a few minutes on the following. Whereas Mr. Jeffrey A Chunglow has served with a distinction as the town's director of veteran services since February 3rd 2014 providing exemplary services in tireless support to the town's veterans including creating and chairing Arlington's Veterans Council and whereas Mr. Chunglow went beyond the call of duty for all Arlington residents by assisting in vaccination clinics and PPE distribution during the COVID-19 pandemic and whereas Mr. Chunglow elevated the Flags on Graves program the Memorial Day Veterans Day and Patriots Day celebrations coordinated numerous military odd irons for veterans established the War on Terrorism Monument and Mount Pleasant Cemetery and spearheaded plans to renovate veterans Memorial Park at Broadway Plaza and whereas Mr. Chunglow joined the Navy Reserves in 1996 served with Bravo Company won 25th Marines 4th Marine Division from 1996 to 2004 as the company corpsman earning his fleet Marine Force designators supported Operation Bulldog and Marine Corps officer candidate school Quantico Virginia in 2006 and 7 and 2007 serving as company corpsman overseeing field medical operations. He was selected for Chief Petty Officer in June 2007 and deployed as the battalion medical chief for Dable Mobile Construction Battalion 27 from June 2008 to June 2009. He was selected in the role of senior chief hospital corpsman fleet Marine Force in 2011 and he was hand selected by the Bureau of Medicine and Surgery to serve as senior non-commissioned RF officer in charge of the deployed Warrior Medical Management Center in Lenztl Germany. He served as a senior enlisted leader for expeditionary medical facility Bethesda and the senior enlisted academy Newport Rhode Island serving as an adjunct professor until his retirement in July 2017 and whereas Mr. Chunglow has been awarded the meritorious meritorious service medal Navy and Marine Corps commendation medal the Navy and Marine Corps achievement medal the Navy unit commendation medal this is seven of the former and two of the latter the global war on terrorism medal and multiple personal and unit awards and whereas Mr. Chunglow is the acclaimed author of the rescue of Boxer 22 and whereas Mr. Chunglow is an avid Patriots fan and was named one of the New England Patriots fans of the year and whereas Mr. Chunglow is the loving husband of Diane Chunglow devoted father to David Chunglow and his wife Jacqueline and adoring grandfather to Connor as well as honorary father to Addie and Chance now therefore let it be resolved that we the members of the select board do hereby proclaim the first day of June 2023 Jeff Lee a Chunglow day in the town of Arlington we honor and thank him for his bravery service and sacrifice on behalf of the town and his residents this point I would entertain a motion and discussion for my colleagues move approval second everybody motion of approval for Mrs. Mahan and second for Mr. Herd in the discussion Mrs. Mahan um there's a lot I could say about Jeff Chunglow um he's above and beyond the position that he held and not only for the veterans here in Arlington but literally throughout the state in the region I can't tell you how many times I remember one story was in Burlington and I saw this gentleman who was driving for a particular hotel and he looked really downtrodden and just said hi and I sort of was the right person in the sense of hearing in the right time um and he is a veteran and I said to him listen we have this fantastic guy Jeff Chunglow he's a veteran he gets it he has connections with the patriots with the red socks with the foundation to be named later covers the whole gamut medical emotional services employment everything and made a call to Jeff Chunglow passed it off to him and it's amazing how he was able to provide the services for a non-Allington resident I know Winchester called him a lot Belmont I called him on at least a dozen other occasions um to that and he really is so effective in his job because he operates as an unsung hero because when you're in a position and you need help um a you hope you find the right woman or man that that can help you but also that they get you the help versus making you their cause and um I can see all the different names of people that I connected with Mr. Chunglow that um he just uh garnered through and really really went beyond and I know one of the things they really appreciated he did it just because um it wasn't a you know devolved to the public or anything like that so a it's really a great loss and I do want to say I made sure um when Mr. Chunglow would uh bring different veterans to Memorial Day to speak one of the things they always started to say first I want to thank the person that is just as important if not more Diane and and people would look to me because same name and no it was his wife Diane um who also when we had various whether you were dignitaries or just a regular old veteran um Jeff and Diane a part of a team and um we were very fortunate that she also came as a package deal with him and she also gave so much service to the town and this board last year um recognized her what she didn't want at last day year's memorial service and gave her um a few gifts to thank her also for her service so a great loss it's my understanding he's sort of going to keep his toe dipped in the ollington pond as much as he can and um I know I'll be talking to Jeff again soon unfortunately couldn't make it on Friday but circumstances didn't allow me so thank you Mr. Chair thank you Jeff thank you Diane Mr. Hurd thank you as Mr. Mann said I think we could all talk for an hour about Mr. Chunglow and the work he's done at ollington for me when I was chair was from 2020-2021 which was the remote era of human life and during that period a lot of events just didn't happen they just they got canceled and they got forgotten and I was always really impressed at the creative ways Jeff came up with you know events to still continue to honor veterans during that period I think one time we spoke in town hall to an empty auditorium uh one time we filmed out in the town hall garden but he never let the pandemic affect his job and his duty to honor the veterans in ollington so I appreciate that about that Jeff did and he was a tireless advocate for veterans and it's certainly a large loss to the town and a big gap to Phil. Thank you Mr. Chairman yeah and I also want to echo the comments of my colleagues um Jeff will be sorely missed and and I was going to relay a story from the pandemic too and and during my time as chair the memorial day event was by video and Jeff coordinated everything to the point of each one of the speakers spoke at a different part of the cemetery with I was the war on terror memorial was behind me there was others at near the world war one memorial near the world war two and in the Korean war memorial and he coordinated everything because it was so important to have that event and continue to honor our veterans and just a personal story my father-in-law was a world war two veteran and he passed away and my mother-in-law and and my wife and her family coordinated with Jeff for honors at at his funeral and he was a real source of comfort to my mother-in-law arranging for that and we always appreciated that and his thoroughness and and thoughtfulness and I know during the pandemic he was at the clinic says as Mrs. Mohan said he was coordinating the distribution of masks picking them up at hospitals bringing them to to different people who were in need so I this is certainly a well deserved honor the proclamation we can't really pay him enough for what he has done for the community but we'll have another opportunity to see him and hopefully as Mrs. Mohan said he will stay I have his foot dipped in the pond here and thank you Jeff so much for for your service thank you Mr. Chair and so in my year we were coming out of the pandemic and actually the previous year when we were doing the Veterans Day event over at the firehouse many people pointed out how Jeff had had taken Veterans Day to another level meaning in terms of the celebration that we did and and I had the idea you know to do a luncheon and I didn't talk about this during the campaign you know because it really is something that I was proud to work on with Jeff but it was one of the things that I thought was a nice accomplishment but I didn't want to say during the campaign because I didn't want to seem like me and I was trying to use me and veterans to to as part of the desire to get reelected you know but I really enjoyed working with Jeff on that mean and food link you know and it was really great about it was that in a sense is like it didn't pan out the way we wanted there was a complication me but Jeff was able to to pivot mean and still be able to provide food for the veterans but beyond that was even better was that how he pulled together this educational program for the veterans mean one to let them know about the new veterans memorial that we're planning and hopefully you'll get funding and everything but even more importantly about the Camp Lejeune app you know and and the need to be cautious about the commercials I think even better than feeding people food is really feeding their minds mean and so I thought he made a really really good event out of it and so he you know when I brought up the idea to um he was all in on it you know and um helped to coordinate things mean and so so um it's you know to do something like that requires another level of bravery you know but he was he was all forwarding and like I said when things didn't go as we planned mean uh he really just he accommodated adapted very easily to it you know so so um we'll definitely miss him you know but but you know he he's alive and healthy mean and he'll be you know working with us still mean and so so we'll move on thanks thank you all everybody who ever encountered Jeff has a Jeff Chungle story and it's a good one I said at his um it's a fair on Friday that that a lot of people town hall in certain town for a long time and including myself there are very few people of never you've never hear a negative thing about we all do things that manage to annoy people and somehow Jeff you just never heard a bad word about the man Jeff you are grateful for you I know that I hope that you'll watch this later and uh know that we will miss you and uh we hope that you do stay in touch so on a motion by Mrs. Mahan and seconded by Mr. Herd all in favor I opposed his unanimous thank you Mr. Mr. Chair I'm sorry may I of course Attorney Hyde I believe we have a member I'm sorry I see Mr. Davis in the chamber of my apologies thank you for your due diligence sir he also sees me online that's why he was oh yes yeah we're just keeping you on your toes next item is the consent agenda uh this is uh we'll vote this all at once and we have the minutes of the meeting from May 8th the Ellington soapbox Derby local race on June 10th and the race director Mr. Barr is here thank you sir for your efforts if anyone has any questions they can certainly ask him requests for the contractor drain layer license by Henry Perez request for a special one day beer and wine license for a private event by Lori Francis and also another one by Emily Zoo request for a a third one at the Woodham or Robbins house by Steve McHugh move approval second any discussion questions sure mr. Brown if you'd like to talk about the race thank you like to give you a chance to promote it sure I will I promise unlike my normal behavior I'll try to be brief just introduce yourself please sorry sure Joseph Barr 24 Park Street a town meeting member from precinct 5 and the race director for the Ellington soapbox Derby local race which this year will be happening on June 10th at our normal location on Eastern Avenue between Robbins Farm Park and the Brackett School and we as always continue to appreciate the town's great support for this in terms of closing the road helping us out with resources from police and DPW and also just the support of the you know folks who live in the town it's a great event both for the kids and the families that participate my son John is here and they've been racing sorry excuse me my child John is here and they've been racing since they were seven years old so going on 10 years and it's been both a great experience for them in terms of the fun they've had but also in terms of leadership development and all the the friends they've made and so you know if you have any questions for an actual racer they know more than I do I've never raced a boxer every car they have so I can't tell you about the experience but any case don't want to hold you any longer or take up any more of your time I know you have a long agenda but happy to answer any questions and but just as a reminder we'd love to see as many folks as can make it out there on June 10th we start racing around 9 9 30 a.m. usually ends early afternoon and it's a great event particularly if the weather's good and we get you know a nice sunny day it's sort of about as all American as you can get when we're out there so it's a great a great time so encourage any of the select board members members of the community town staff whoever please show up and share the racers on can you just tell us again where yes so it's in front it's on eastern Ave we I forget the names of the streets I should know them but basically between the bracket school and Robbins Farm Park you know kind of starting at the top of the hill just below the the water tower and then we finish right right where the crosswalk between the park and the and the school is down by their playground both playgrounds actually so thank you no I just say briefly I think we've been approving this since I've been on the board and I never got an opportunity to see it until and then we finally went down with my two boys last year it was an incredible event it was fun to watch right they certainly wanted to participate but with hockey and baseball and stuff to find the time to build a a racer but I think every year the question is how do they stop they don't crash into the hay bales sometimes it was fun to watch it that's a longer story certainly everyone that was watching in the races had fun so happy to support that's great and I will say actually last year unfortunately due to some organizational issues we actually didn't hold their race so we had in 2021 didn't have it last year we did have a I just I'll be I'll apologize on behalf of the organization because there was a little bit of a mix-up with DPW and the police and they still thought we were having the race and so I got a call at 6 30 a.m on the day when the race was supposed to happen saying where are you I was like we're not having a race like oh we're out here with cones and it's like oh god so apologies to the both DPW and the police for that that mix-up last year but we're definitely on for this year Mr. Wiggins well I'm a STEM guy but I'm also a STEAM guy so I'm thinking that you probably fit an A in there and have some like kind of artistic you know element to it you know so so I'm sure it's already there yeah well one of the things that the kids in some of the divisions the kids do get to decorate their own cars or choose the decoration of their cars so for example John's car their older car looked like look like an orca was painted like an orca because that's their favorite animal and this one we're hoping if we can get our act together with the painting different car we'll have some pride celebration on it see I knew it was already there so just there is an opportunity for both STEM and STEAM yeah cool thank you and I must say given that I live on Grandview Road which is about two blocks from the top of the race I have no excuse and one of my favorite things to enable down and do on a nice early summer day so I look forward to it and we do appreciate the patience of the neighbors who live on eastern Ave in the side streets because obviously it's disruptive for them we fly or we put up no parking sign so it's all works out great but again I do want to mention they're always very very supportive and very patient with the the street closure thank you thank you mr. Barr okay so the for the consent agenda we have a motion just one thing not on this thank you just very briefly I usually don't do this in this part of the agenda but I saw for the three events two are weddings congratulations to the happy couples but there's also a celebration of life of one of my former parents from Brackett school when I first took over as a pto president which I swore I would never do I swore I would never run for elected office so I don't know what that means but when I first came to Brackett and really experienced a turnaround two of the very first parents that not only signed up to volunteer but were so active and left such an imprint on the Brackett school community and hung with me for five years they kept voting me back and the president was Sue and Steve McHugh and I see that there's a celebration of life as one of the requests for Susan McHugh who was a professional was a mom wife professional woman had so many things on her plate but in terms of our curriculum our cultural enrichment our reading program getting volunteers along with her husband Steve but I'd like to call her the dynamo the brains and the beauty behind the couple and I was so saddened to hear of her passing but I do see there is a an event for a celebration of her life and I really do appreciate when I first started getting involved in schools and then the town um those were two of the first people so thank you for to mr chairman and my colleagues for letting me kind of go astray there a little thank you very much thank you that was lovely any other discussion on the consent agenda okay so on a motion for approval of all items on the consent agenda by mrs mohan a seconded by mr de Corsi all in favor say aye opposed and why erase my hand when I do that it just feels like the thing to do without swearing myself in next item item thank you mr barm item nine acceptance of the minute man bikeway wayfinding sign donation from the allington chamber of commerce and we have a guest star Kelly linema on behalf and recently of the planning department I believe we also have mrs log please thank you thank you um thank you members of the select board thank you for having me tonight um I do have a short presentation I don't know if we can pull that up um I'll try to go through this fairly quickly but it's also part of your packets tonight um so the main reason we're here tonight is to request the select board's select board's acceptance of a gift from the chamber of commerce but this is also related to a project that's also that's happening in Arlington Heights um so I'll give this just a minute this is the minute man bikeway wayfinding project sorry that's okay that's all right um so the background of this project is it really sums back to the pandemic and Ali and thanks to Ali Carter and Daniel Amsatz who also worked on this project um this was as this came about because of the local rapid recovery plan and that plan one of the key recommendations of that plan was that businesses in east lexington in bedford center and in Arlington Heights should capitalize on their proximity to the minute man bikeway and really wanting to draw users of the minute man bikeway into the business districts I don't know if you've ever been into that area underneath park have extension but it's really hard to even realize that there is a business district and actually a thriving business district and a growing business district right by that area and so the key recommendation of that plan was that we develop a wayfinding program and it's really about economic development so how can we it not just have people who are going by on mass have understand that there's a business district here but how can we also have that be part of the that what's driving people from the bikeway to the business district and then back onto the bikeway again this was also a key recommendation of the minimum bikeway planning project which was led by Daniel Amsatz which recommends a core quarter wide project for wayfinding and then in 2022 Ali Carter and Jenny rate received with lexington and bedford the middle sex three redo grant so this was money to actually do the implementation so with this funding through lexington we hired Jeff Dawson who's also here tonight on zoom to design and develop a wayfinding project for east for arlington heights and east lexington and bedford by the rail station since then beth lock has said that she has received an earmark which if you have any questions about she can go into more details but we want to extend this wayfinding system into arlington center in east arlington because by doing that we will have a cohesive and quarter wide wayfinding system that goes from ale wife station all the way out to bedford center so the priority locations for this are if you go to the next slide arlington heights and this is funded by the redo grant so this is completely grant funded arlington center and then east arlington and those would be funded by the earmark grant portion of the grant as a gift from the chamber of commerce and in a in the future this doesn't preclude any additional wayfinding signage that could go in under the same design and so i know like one of the recommendations of the minimum bikeway planning study was to do to improve the connection at rider street and that would help to we could have wayfinding signs there in the same style and design that would connect people to that braddle square business district um overall the sign types um just really the identity signs are really for people who are passing by so imagine you're in a car on lake street and you're passing by the minimum bikeway it's really to announce that hey there is the bikeway here the kiosks are really what are connecting people on the bikeway to the business districts and that's where we'll have maps we're not going to advertise any individual businesses these are just going to have icons for types of businesses so restaurants theaters etc we we don't allow advertising on the bikeway and this would be consistent with that the directional signs are as you getting a little bit closer to an intersection they're kind of like um you know turn left for this turn right for that or continue straight to get to lexington and the directional two signs are a little bit further out even from those intersections it's sort of like a rest stop coming in two miles that sort of thing the other thing that we're looking at is pointers and those the only locations that those would be would be probably in the russell common parking lot to really direct people both to the arlington center of business district and then to connect people to the bikeway because people do go and park there and then get on the bikeway for the day so this is another way to do that and then we're developing a series of sort of mutcd consistent signs that could go on mass av and those would be to help redirect people back to the bikeway in the packet that you have we can go on to the next slide but there's just little icons for each of those locations so really looking at how do we drive people from that lake street intersection out to east arlington business district and back and this is just the assortment of signs that we're looking at same with arlington center probably the most signage is here and so this is again significant thanks to the chamber of commerce that we're able to even consider doing this the one thing i do want to know is in all three of those these locations we're also looking at quite a bit of cleanup so there's a lot of remnant signs from different like iterations of bikeway signage at one point or another so this is really trying to remove some of that clean up some of the root areas especially in arlington heights and start to think about how we can just have a consistent cohesive signage and again as i mentioned this is all grant funded or funded through the earmark we have already talked with dpw with wake rottemacher and he's agreed agreed that his team would install this and also help with the cleanup the funding includes design and fabrication and this is again the the signage for arlington center in east arlington is contingent on the select board approving the receipt of this as a gift and then this just to start more recent projects so obviously it's been going on since 2020 2021 more recently this is where we are tonight is with the presentation of the select board we have presented this to the arlington chamber of commerce which i think best could comment on how they received it they seem very enthusiastic and then going forward jeff has been approved to go into fabrication um and then the signs would be installed delivered and installed at some point this summer so with that i'm happy to answer any questions you might have thank you very much i will now turn to my colleagues mr herd well there's nothing like we like doing more than accepting gifts so i'll move approval of that um this looks awesome i mean i think it's definitely a need for it arlington is kind of the little brother little sister to our neighboring towns on the minivan bikeway and as we transition into our 2025 big celebration i think the bikeway is going to be an important way that people connect the towns and to support the businesses in this way will be great so i look forward to and you can twist my arm to second that you know it's like and thank you thank you so much mrs lotte you know for for providing the funds to include the center and east arlington you know and and thanks to ali you know i participated in some of the forums meaning for the l r r p you know and and it was a really good experience you know we worked with the folks from lexington and gufford and you know they generated an awesome report i mean it's 228 pages of just really good information you get to see what other people are doing around around the country it's on the website you know and i'll encourage people to to check it out and and so um yeah good work job and once again thank you so much you know mr yeah thank you mr chairman yeah and thank you for the presentation and for the funding uh from the from from the chamber on this lock and i think it's it's great to have the uniformity because i know on lake street for example the capital square business association does had some signs there and and it would be great it will be great to have that uniformity and and perhaps have some potential locations new locations and and you're absolutely right about being up the heights you you have no idea when you're when you're going on under the bridge and i also want to thank you for for your service to the time and everything that you did while you're here thank you thank you very much about three days after i was elected to select board a little more than two years ago i was summoned to our ewington center by ted paluso and bob rdosha and they sat me down at the at the tourism kiosk and they said people on the bikeway don't know those businesses here we want them to stop and shop and here we are so this is just terrific i hope you're listening one question i have is what's the approximately the value of the amount of of the donation that we're accepting talking about what like 60 to 80 000 roughly roughly 60 to 80 000 it depends on the cost of material so that's going out to bed right now so we'll have more of a detail on that in about a week yeah well that's fine and then just that's just for the public information and to increase our appreciation for this that's terrific okay any other discussion so um and i must say to thank you for coming back it just shows you that you're here on your own time after after departing the town for for an exciting opportunity how dedicated you are to this community and we're dedicated right back to you back you leave this town improved in so many ways and we are grateful a motion by mr herdon seconded by mr diggins all in favor unanimous thank you thank you very much and mr chairman yes sir if i could um if i could just through you let a cmi know i'm getting and i apologize to mrs lineman callie for looking at my phone three times but i'm getting texts for people at home that there is no sound of the select board meetings on their tv and a few are having problems uh connecting on to zoom which i can walk them through that so since i know a cmi is listening thank you all right that's that's good to know um is marie do you have a way are you in contact with the control room i can send a message to a cmi and now i just said that and i'm i just got a text that just came back on well you have magical powers sorry about that thank you boy a cmi is good that is undoubtedly true so i like my theory i'm going to take a next item out of order in consideration for a department head who's here after a very long day of work mr champ is here to talk about the short term rentals um item 11 so let's move to that and then we'll go back to the public hearings in the open forum uh mr champ if you want to come up and um introduce yourself and we had a conversation earlier today so in the select board packets and in the agenda as a number of a bunch of information um a several a series of of complaints and actions about um the property in 350 washington street and my understanding after talking with mr champ today is that there's not a specific action that we need to vote on or do tonight we have an obligation to hear the latest complaint but i think there's there is some more up-to-date information and mr champ very kindly offered to extend his workday uh to come talk to us about that and uh and kind of give us some context about the issue short term rentals for the board's discussion and i think that this will probably be the first of of additional discussions that we should have in the coming months to to look at this issue as we we've something a program we've recently implemented and may have some learning to do on the ground so mr champ i'll hand it over to you if you just introduce yourself please my champion director of infection services um so uh our original concern regarding short term rentals uh revolved mostly around um the ability for them to operate without the required approvals and the difficulty in identifying them because as it was pointed out to me today in a perfect world um they shouldn't be able to be identified they they're in a residential district and they're supposed to mirror the everyday world that's existing there on a daily basis um i think that um what we're finding is that the short term rentals i believe there's only four that are approved currently and so we we were unable to substantiate the violations that had been um that were concerned of residents but what we're finding is that the our inability to to know uh to identify short term rentals and um um the ease of them to operate without approval uh is a concern of us and additionally the building code currently does not cover short term rentals but there is additional uh the 10th edition of the building code is coming out in the fall and that will uh define and create regulations for short term rentals that will give us a little more um a little more ability to enforce and additional requirements that are not on the books currently such as um automatic sprinkler systems egress path signage annual inspections um and and uh some other regulations most likely we've only been presented with the draft but the final edition is supposed to be in effect sometime in the fall um uh i'm not sure which um what else we would want to thank you thank you very much i think that's some good context there's anything specifically you'd want us to know about this particular complaint that came in um or any history of this of this property so originally the um the original concern was uh reported from the resident and he was operating a short term rental but had not received the required approvals as of yet and he obtained those approvals and most recently we received a concern from a resident that um there were business operations happening out of the short term rental and upon inspection uh we found a film crew uh filming within the property um and they admittedly said that you know they were filming for a client so it was um it was a commercial use that's not uh a commercial use other than the short term rental that's not allowed in a residential district um even with the allowance of that they had for the rental so um the property was vacated because of that and that was the only violation that that was in existence at that time thank you wash what question i might have for attorney hyme is if there's anything that you would like to add and for the board's consideration with regard to any action you suggest that we take tonight thank you mr chairman our short term rental bylaws permits but doesn't require any violations of uh the myriad codes and regulations that govern short term rentals as well as other things it permits it doesn't require those complaints to be heard about so um most of the complaints to my understanding have not been filed directly with the board they don't have to be filed directly with the board unless the complaint is really about the bylaw itself rather than some of these underlying sort of zoning or health regulations there are a number of layers built into both the short term rental bylaw as well as the sort of general laws one thing that i just want to state for public information of folks who own short term rentals or are employing short term rentals with their property is that it's not just important to register it with the town of arlington it's important to register with the state because the state collects and excites tax and you don't want to not be paying taxes to the state on a business that you're operating so a friendly word to folks operating short term rentals isn't just a matter of the town and the town's bylaws and making sure that we regulate these properties obviously all of our main concern but it's also important to register short term rentals on the state's registry for the tax purpose which also benefits the town of arlington in terms of part of that fee going to us so i think the legal department's happy to look at our bylaw as well as our application process to see what we can do to help the inspectional services and other departments you know scrutinize or get more of these short term rentals and compliance but but but absent that i don't think there's anything specific that the board needs to do thank you i just had a comment as you were talking about this like the idea of how you're gonna the insurmountable task of enforcing these like how can you prove you get a complaint you show up to somebody at someone's house you have to stay there all night to make see if they sleep over it's like how can you like it oh i signed you up for that but he is renting their house shirt like i guess you could see them online but like these are visitors like what are you talking about so i don't envy your position in in trying to enforce this so hopefully there's something we can come up with that that gives you the tools you need to or write a law that is enforceable i can actually speak to that a little bit um so they got a house i did not um not recently um so it seems like it that it's more common for them to register with the state under the on the public lodging registration um then to register with the town itself so um there's a large number of uh listings and in order for them to operate on like air b and b or or um any of those any of the websites that would that would bring the the guests to them they need to be registered with the state um so we don't have any stakeouts planned in the future all right mrs. mahan did you know what i was i was actually giggling to myself and i was trying to hide my face it wasn't really a way of sorry but you're very good ego i well thank you thank you mr. champ but um i think this is a good discussion for the awareness of the board i think of the legal department um so we don't need to do it specific tonight i know that the complaint that was received is already on your radar you'll be keeping an eye on this property and any other properties that you know that that for which we have a complaint so thank you thank you for staying tonight thank you have a good trip home okay now we'll go back to uh no more order the public hearing so item 10 the village lane betterment this is a request to repair private ways and we have an accompanying betterment order for the uninitiated i envy you for those of us who live in private ways we know all too well what what this is but if you live in a private way in town which is something like 20 of the frontage of streets we have to pay occasionally for the upkeep of our own town and as i have our own roads and there is a um process in place that you are about to witness so we have mr timothy mccann before us i think to speak with the board mr mccann if you are here you can unmute yourself can you hear me yes sir hi all right can you can you hear me yes we can hear and see you thank you very much so if you just give us a brief summary of what you're asking us to approve and then we'll give neighbors any neighbors here an opportunity to to talk and i would say if there are members of the public here who are here to participate and provide comment for this hearing you can go ahead and raise your hand and zoom now and we'll note that for uh after mr mccann finishes speaking yes sir please president so i guess just a 30 000 foot overview of the village lane betterment project um we have a private road uh that intersects lake street on two different areas there are a total of eight of butters the road ranges anywhere from uh 24 to 26 feet and it's in terrible terrible condition we needed to replace it i guess 15 20 years ago i moved in uh to this area in December 2019 and the neighbors were already talking about how badly they needed it to be replaced so finally um they all voted me as the lead and so i started doing research um first one of the first things i did was reach out um to you guys and uh engineering uh Vince Kilcrombins who's been like fantastic in terms of site visits and helping us map out all the requirements that we need so long and short the only major issue we have with this project is that we need to leaching basins to catch the runoff other than that it's a pretty simple straightforward two inches of binder two inches of top coat along with excavating and removing existing cobblestones from the road and that was the quote that we had uh we actually had looked at a number of contractors to do the work and we selected one and then submitted that in that estimate to uh to the select board and i guess the next step in the process so this is a project we've been working on since last July and so we're actually quite excited now to you know get this over the goal line and uh so i'm here to answer any questions you're answering now thank you um before we turn to members of the public if any members of the board have questions or comments i see one hand raised um uh miss rice hanson so miss my miss mark and promote this person to panelist and uh you'll be able to unmute yourself and and address the board hi is um go right ahead related to the betterment or moving on to the this is relating to the betterment yes oh no i'm sorry i thought you were having us raise our hand related to the well you're you're nearly on time so why don't you just hang out there and we'll we'll get right to you okay i'll mute myself thank you very much um all right so i don't see anybody online uh do you agree miss mar no that was that was it okay for the betterment okay so uh the questions i guess i'll entertain a motion for mr decorsi thank you mr chairman yeah i'll i'll move to approve the request to repair the private way and move approval of the betterment order that's attached to our agenda i think i have microsecond earlier for mr herd okay and you have the discussion on a motion for approval of both items by mr decorsi and seconded by mr herd all in favor hi hi pros it is unanimous thank you for your work for your neighborhood mr mccann you're also thank you very much thank you have a good evening all right good evening all right let's move on to open forum and i'm going to bring up my trusty iphone timer so except in unusual circumstances any matter presented for consideration of the board shall neither be acted upon nor a decision made uh the night of the presentation in accordance with the policy under which the open forum was established it should be noted that there is a three-minute time limit to present a concern or a request um got you anybody in the room wants to wants to speak we'll we'll get to you so thank you um so what i'll do is if there's anybody else in zoomland who wants to speak on any matter on open forum within three minutes please raise your hand and zoom and we'll get to you we have um catherine ready for us to go so i'll start with zoom and then i'll if there are others in zoom i'll just alternate back and forth um so uh catherine go right ahead thank you uh my name is catherine news canson i live at 30 bradley road and which is increasing 11 my daughter is more at minute man high school majoring in electrical wiring and i am speaking tonight in advance of your discussion about policy for the midman school committee i encourage you to expand that topic to also allow for the appointment of a new minute man school committee representative for arlington i appreciate our current representative mr ruderman from a no doubt work park honestly and with personal sacrifice to guide man during his term over our family's two years at minute man and especially the past month i have been very disappointed he has not proactively shared information his views and solicitive feedback in an open forum format from his constituents the minute man families from arlington i'll limit my reasons for my concerns since i realized that mr ruderman's reappointment is not the focus this evening but it has raised the question of what the select board's policy is regarding reappointments i respectfully request that you implement a public application process that the process began with a call for self nominations including from the current representative if he or she wishes to continue in the role please include in the policy that students parents and guardians of current and recently accepted students at man man will be notified of the call for nominations after the nomination deadline then publicly announced the names and invite the public to submit letters in support or expressing concern to the select board again the current mint man community should be directly notified i am sure mint man can assist in distributing these emails i also encourage you to give priority consideration to candidates to have a connection to mint man of course parents alumni co-op employers etc as well as teachers or administrators at other vocational technical high schools on may 21st i emailed you a more detailed request for this process thank you we have someone from the room come on up and please just introduce yourself thank you mr chairman i'm sarah montague i'm a 25 year resident of arlington i live at 19 rockmont road i'm also the very proud parent of a senior at mint man high school and we thank you for acknowledging the letters that we have sent to the to the group and um i would just like to reiterate we'd very much like to be involved in the process for how you determine what the next steps are we feel very strongly that mr ruderman should not be reappointed and i think that we have shared the details as as to why and the details have also been publicly documented in the media as well so i thank you for your time and there are other parents and guardians here in the room and while i speak for myself personally we would very much like to be involved and participate in the process thank you thank you very much do not see any other hands raised in zoom um additional members of the audience user fondness welcome hi good evening michelle afanos town meeting member precinct 13 i would like to go on record in joining the growing number of concerned parents and arlington citizens that is requesting this board replace and not reappoint michael ruderman to school committee thank you members of the public i see one hand raised in zoom thank you thank you go ahead i'll be promoting them now yeah but we're promoting sylvia stevens to speak and village lane getting repaved good evening uh we can see you go right ahead thank you my name is sylvia stevens i am a long-term resident of arlington uh i live at 89 barnham street and i'm just uh joining those in um zoom and also in person of showing concerns about the process for the school committee representation for minuteman high school um i would hope that moving forward candidates would be connected to minuteman in some way as was recommended but also that the general community gets to know more about them and has more of a community process with them uh right now um there's a lot of concerns happening at minuteman and this isn't the form to discuss them but uh i've been concerned that our representative hasn't been forthright in communication with the greater community um and we hope that moving forward um that could be corrected thank you anybody else in zoom or otherwise sure come on up just take your name for the record please um i'm gina gina karmie can you hear me okay yes um i just want to echo the sentiments of the other parents i'm also a minuteman parent and um would like to be involved in the process of the next or the process for um finding the next school committee rep thank you thanks your time thank you and that's for open forum the goodness mark you know hands raised yes okay that concludes open forum thank you very much for your interest and for speaking up all right so uh we've already addressed item 11 out of turns so we'll now move to item 12 discussion and proposed vote about double polls by mr decorsi thank you mr chairman and i'm back before the board a little earlier than i first anticipated but i had brought this issue up most recently at our meeting on may 8th and at that time i uh my concern with the poll on on um at the corner of mass have and adam street but i also indicated that verizon would be submitting their semiannual double poll report to the state shortly well turned out they submitted that on may 15th and and so what i'd like to do is go through a little bit of history briefly some proposed actions and just an update where we are in double polls um the presentation of a brief powerpoint presentation it is now attached to the novice agenda i got that late to to miss mar today so i apologize to the my fellow members um but if we could go back actually to the first page this is the poll that bring up every six months or so at the corner of adam's uh and mass have and i had mentioned the rope at the top of the old pole which you can see at the very at the top of the old pole but two almost two-thirds of the way up the new polls being circled now on on the screen that's how it's being secured at the top of of the polls so if we go to the next slide just for the public's benefit and for the board the statutory reference for the replacement of public polls is in chapter 164 section 34b and that provides that once a new poll is put in place the old poll shall be removed within 90 days of the installation the new poll the statute was passed in 1997 with the electric utility electric industry restructuring act um next slide here is a trip down memory lane um that's me in the right side of the screen there on october 25th 2021 on one of our zoom meetings pointing out the problem with the pole on mass have and adam's tree actually if you can go back again at that time there was a hearing for eversource and this duffy who is eversource's representative um said that she would forward the picture and forward a request to verizon the next day which she did um it is verizon's responsibility in arlington to coordinate the replacement of double poles they have to coordinate with the cable companies and with the electric company uh miss duffy got in touch with verizon acmi had a story two weeks later when they reached out to verizon verizon basically said it's everybody else's fault we're waiting for them to replace their lines uh mr chapter lane had reached out at that time in in 2021 um didn't receive a response um i brought this up again if i go to the next slide mr pooler was at a meeting in november at a select board meeting where i asked him to reach out to verizon he did that that very weak and uh stan you will see is the government affairs person for verizon um mr pooler asked him in that email for any update on the mass av adam street uh poll i think at that point he was told a similar story that we're waiting for coordination fast forward to the next screen on may 9th um in in following a further call from mr pooler to mr usavitz who is the government affairs specialist uh we received their response in writing stating that the poll isn't even listed on their double pole database um and that he would send it to verizon operations um next slide mr pooler got back to him that day may night saying it's unacceptable it's not a good answer the issue's been going on for more than two years um if we continue um so that's what we are in terms of we have a history here of reaching out to verizon being told that it's the cable companies or the electric companies fault and they're waiting i actually had a conversation earlier today with mr jackford who had worked on this issue previously when he was on the board and without even telling him what these answers were today he said we were told they're waiting for the other parties to do something so here we are um i'm just saying from the point i first brought it up in october 2021 we still don't have that that poll uh fixed this is an excerpt from the report that was filed on may 15th um double pole report through april 30th 2023 and per verizon there's 78 double poles in ollington 66 are more than three years old so you can share that to the 90 day requirement nonetheless the 90 days old now there is some progress back in 2020 there was 131 double poles but i will tell the board that um i i doubt the completeness of the double pole report because as we said the one on adam street isn't on the list they only list two on mass av there are others in town where i know there are multiple poles on streets and they're not listed so i have a series of proposed recommendations to the board for potential vote and discussion and um have one per page um so the first one is to authorize the town manager and and i think also include the town council in terms of maybe some of the statutory references as as well to send a letter to verizon demanding the coordination with other licensees for the prompt prompt replacement of double poles on adam street and i listed one at 108 warren street that is one they brought up in october 2021 that is a double pole that doesn't even allow you to pass by on the sidewalk if if you had um someone um it's barely enough room there's a bolt hanging out of the second pole that if you were walking by it at night you might even walk into it um the pole is completely overloaded it needs to be changed it's been far too long um that's the first part of the action second part is to seek verizon's commitment to conduct a full audit of its double pole inventory update the list for its next report for the period ending november 30th 2023 i will say if that doesn't happen i will bring a motion before the board for us to intervene in the um the the docket filing with the dte that takes place by the utility companies this happens every six months and um let's see how they respond to this because if they don't i think it's time for us to let the state know what we've done and the lack of cooperation that we're getting uh next one seek verizon's commitment to meet with the town quarterly to review double the double pole list and to hear the steps that verizon will take this is the progress that we've been talking about that we're seeking from them um and again had we received responsive answers had we had them check the double pole inventory two years ago and added this poll to the list i don't think this would be necessary but just not getting cooperation number four is to request the verizon provide details on specific steps it has taken to notify other licenses um and coordinate tonally removal this was actually a requirement back in 2003 when this list requirement was created that the utility companies in the particular community were to document what they've done to coordinate and kind of fell off um the reporting i think it needs to be put back in because if there are other licensees that are holding things up we can look at their licenses and make that a condition um one last thing i will say and i don't have this as a suggested vote and i'd ask attorney hind maybe to follow up with the board is that there is 5g licenses that the town has granted to verizon and my understanding is that they are not allowed to put any new equipment on double poles and driving home today i happened and it didn't have to look too hard um to see 5g equipment on a double pole in front of valentine eats so if that is the case that that equipment is there i think we should notify them as well that um they replace that pole remove the equipment so those are the recommendations and and i'm happy to try to answer any questions and ask for your support on that thank you mr course before we go to the board i wanted to check in with our town manager see if you had anything to add and appreciate your uh the the documentation of your fierce emails um and and direct record but anything else you want the board to consider thank you mr chair uh there had i'd know one of the utilities did move uh some of their equipment at the mass av and adam street location um but in the correspondence i've gotten back and forth i don't i was not told which one so i know there's been some movement but there needs to be more i think the level of communication has been just horrendous so i agree with everything that mr decorsi said i'd be more than happy to follow up sending a letter and falling up to try to get some more specific and direct communication from forizon and from the other utilities in town so that we can move forward make progress with these polls discussion questions can i second mr decorsi's motion um for that was it for action steps that you've outlined right now and then if we go beyond that um and i do uh i mean bless the residents of town that re-elect me but mr jackard did uh one of his valley works was the double poll issue and he definitely hit the ground running and we started to get some progress on that um and there was a lot of work a lot of uh i won't even say doubling back has the town manager's done because i think you've done at least triple if not quadruple back um and um i think this is a good continuation of adam sure we can't use mr jackard's efforts to demonstrate how long if we can i'd like to but um and i like what mr decorsi has outlined and if um it can be uh through the manager in town council and or deputy town council memorialized war not just uh to have something on paper digital but also to have something that is a continue continuous reporting to and reporting from vehicle so that this is something um we can stay on top of so that we don't keep getting the it's the other utilities um that we're waiting for because i know i remember that meeting and think october of 21 and mr decorsi was chair and and uh jackie duffy from eversource really got right right back to us right away and my memory may be faulty but um i did not hear any um delay or anything on on behalf of eversource so i want to thank um mr decorsi for picking this up and for bless you finding polls double polls with is it 5g you said yes i'm going to google that and then try to see if i can find some myself um maybe the high school seniors will put that on their scavenger list but no we won't do that but thank you and i do appreciate this and and i appreciate the fact that i think what we're doing um and what i'm hearing is that uh we're going to implement a process so this and any future board going forward will have that in place and it will just be a matter of the chair or a future chair doing whatever the then board agrees upon whether it's a biannual or quarterly report on this issue so thank you thank you mr chair um attorney hyman raises hand did you do you want to go before we head for the board discussion mr hyman go ahead thank you mr chair i just wanted to clarify one point um when we're talking about 5g what we're talking about is the town doesn't currently um lease any of its polls what the town does is provide what's called a small wireless facility permit one of the conditions of those small wireless facility permit is explicitly that small wireless uh facility which is basically the 5g that mr decorsi was on referencing cannot be placed in double so these polls are all owned fiber rising ever source etc uh they're not the town's polls but the town is uh does have a limited role in permitting and one of the things that we're allowed to do is say you can't put them on double poles you can't put them in front of historic resources thank you mr heard thank you mr jim i was going to say i was very impressed that you are able to identify 5g equipment i don't even know what that is but um it's a testament to your level of detail in this um thank you for the work have to support everything i know this is the issue that never ends and i do hear from it from time to time from a former former select board member at baseball games and family events about the irritations of dealing with double poles um so it's good to get movement and this week you will get the grease so i think we're moving in the right direction again thank you for the work here and mr tom as i assume you can get all these halt polls resolved before you retire so thank you mr um what's the scale of the problem i mean is this going on across the state yeah no this is a problem if you google double poles um you will see it from time to time in a number of different communities and it over time there's been there was this tension where a lot of communities wanted to impose fines um at the local level and the town of bedford actually brought a case all the way up to the sgc they're unsuccessful because of the the state regulation but lexington has had issues wayland has had issues um number of communities talking to someone who used to be on the board of select men in in norwood and um they institute a similar thing basically said don't come before us unless it's an emergency unless you're going to give us an update on double poles just trying to mean so let's say all these four steps don't work what next yeah okay so and i'm only one person talk so i think what next is what i said about intervening in in the semi-annual reports there is and i didn't want to get into a vote on potential legislation especially the chair it's still part of the discussion here but there is a legislation pending that that gets filed every two years it really hasn't gone anywhere that provides fines if the time limits aren't aren't matt and it's not after 90 days it's after 180 days it's after 270 days and i believe it's a representative from quincy who's filed that bill i think at that point we maybe take steps to encourage our local delegation to get behind that and um because one of the problems that we've said with this statute is there's no provision there um if if there's not compliance with the statute so i mean i think if we document this see what we've done look for feedback look for cooperation we don't get it and i think we push the pounding room yeah yeah i i i agree with that me and so so so yes let's try this me let's be prepared for the fact or likelihood it's not going to resolve anything you know substantial you know i love that i turn out to be wrong on that you know but then you know let's find out me what the levers are me and on on the state side me to try and get something to happen and i'll stop talking because of my colleagues role you know but okay okay you let me know when i shouldn't say anything regarding you know because of your position and then um so yeah i mean so as i said repeatedly on other issues it's like you need to find out me why things aren't moving on the state level me and and then me try and get whatever is blocking that change me you know i mean to not be a blocking anymore it's fine people have conversations with so so i'm happy to help out as much as i can but certainly support this and then prepare for for the next step be in the next cycle as opposed to getting to the next cycle in and going we missed it because as you know you have a very small period okay i'll keep talking i'll stop talking thank you yeah yeah let me once you're shaking your head you know i'm saying i'll i feel that i don't need to keep saying that just to occupy time with you so all right thanks thank you mr big answer you know the further discussion it's my understanding that's the senate chiefs of staff that are causing all the delays in the legislation that's just what someone told me terrible terrible i will i will say that i would happily recuse myself should for this issue and the other should the should the need rise of it it's fine you know in terms of my potential conflict of interest it's fine for the it's to be talked about in the abstract i can't participate or or vote okay such a thing sorry yeah mrs mohan and please anyone correct me if i'm wrong in response to my colleague mr diggins question um one of the other things we can do when i first got on the board with the previous mr herd and my other colleagues was um we could take Verizon's request similar what norwood is doing or had done the the then board had a sort of version of that um we could take uh Verizon's request as they come in and let them know and this is something i'm not advocating pro con for tonight um because but we can go back to that step to say unless it's for emergency purposes but then we also have to if that's a step we want to do we need to discuss it to say what we are saying no to are we penalizing individual resident or residents because of Verizon's apparent uh lack of of response so that's another step but that's like a really severe um but i think perhaps um i know because uh serving on the board previously is when this came up when the board does have serious discussions around that um i i'm confident it's something that um the officials at at Verizon sort of take note of so but thank you mr chair i think we have our new patron saint of double polls here mr my colleague mr decorsi okay uh so we have a motion for mr decorsi and seconded by mrs mohan all in favor say aye opposed the unanimous vote thank you for your efforts mr decorsi item 13 discussion of reappointment policy for minimand school committee another direct select board appointments so i added this to the agenda because as a function of timing the current uh term for the current representative to the minimand school committee ends on june 30th and as a function of history the select board only as of 2019 became the appointing authority for this particular body up until that point it had been the tom moderator but the new original agreement which governs the how how the the board is appointed changed and at that time we had one year left on the term of the previous representative uh miss cheffler she indicated that she did not want to to serve so at that point in 2020 mr ruderman our current representative was appointed by this body so we now find ourselves for the first time as the select board being the appointing authority encountering a situation where what do we do when we have the the expiration of a term the incumbent has expressed a desire or willingness to be reappointed and i thought it would be a good time to not only talk about and receive guidance from my colleagues about how we should proceed with this particular appointment but also to to at least begin a discussion and to begin thinking about how many we might want to approach certain other direct appointments that the board has most of the appointments that we do are are made by the time manager and we simply confirm them um but certain bodies like the zoning board of appeals or direct appointments for this board and i think that it's an interesting discussion brought into focus perhaps by the timeliness of the minute man is you know what do we do with particularly in my view with with bodies boards commissions and committees that have significant authority and either making policy or interpreting and applying policy and uh you know when we have a member that's finished their term should our policy be for any particular body or an or any or all of them do we just do we uh allow ourselves the the opportunity to just do a reappointment if the person wants to serve or would we as a matter of of common procedure open this up to a public process or to open up to public applications uh so at this point i think i'd encourage the board to focus the discussion tonight specifically on that question and what it will want to do with minute man and we can discuss other other direct select board appointments i want to offer my thanks to our town clerk and to our board administrator for realizing today that this resonates with one of the recommendations of the community equity audit which was and that's before the board here to implement universal practices for commission and committee appointments and advertisements for upcoming and current open seats and i'm informed that when the equity audit was discussed in the meetings the department has that reappointments came into focus too and i think there's a lot to discuss there and and i don't want to get outside the scope too much of of the direct board select appointments but i think that the select board direct appointments but i think it's it's worth noting that that's another consideration just to think about for particularly for the way to your more active boards with with more responsibility uh what do we want to do do we want to have a policy do we want to take a case by case i don't think there's any right or wrong answer uh but that said i so i welcome that discussion and i welcome guidance from the board um i didn't put a vote on the agenda i think that it's uh we can if we anyone wants to make a motion for that we can check in with attorney hind to see if that would be in scope of the agenda item um but i don't think we need to do that now i think i want to know what you all think thank you oh well yeah i mean now i think we should have a policy you know and it will take me some some effort you know but i think it's effort well worth spent me it'll take a lot of effort you know and uh but i think it's worth worth doing it is something that will take a while perhaps for us to um implement me but i would say uh we could certainly let me the minute man appointment me kick us off on the process you know so that's my short start you know thank you that's true thank you and i just want to start by saying i mean we talked we me and mr. d i'm i'm doing it now we talk about agenda items as vice chair and chair so to a point and this certainly was not in any way related to the current representative on the minute man school committee um this is just something in general that i think some of us have talked had thought about and we do reappointments on the consent agenda and they kind of just pass through from time to time and we have a lot of boards and commissions and many of our boards and commissions are actively seeking new members and some are full and some are generate a lot of interest and like chair said some have pretty wide authority to make policy on behalf of the town even some policies that might not reflect the wills and wants of the general public so i think you know we should have a policy certainly from a man i mean school committee seat in general seems to me a no brainer because not only the school committee just like the select board they have to run for the seat for three years and i think whoever sits in that seat every three years should have to reply and open up the opportunity for others to apply a number of residents came in today and talked about being involved in the process i think if just by way of opening the process to nominations and having you know public hearing about um who we're gonna pick in opening we have open forum we have different ways to solicit public feedback for agenda items that brings minute man parents into the process and brings arlington school parents into the process whoever wants to participate can put their opinions into who gets chosen for that seat and i think it's good for even if you're going to reappoint the same person every three years to have that process to to vet and make sure that the person is doing their job and again it is no reflection on mr ruderman who i think is very staunch advocate for a minute man he always has been and in my opinion is doing a good job but it just in general for that position and for other boards and commissions both direct select board appointments and some that aren't i think it is important to make sure that we are putting the best people on these boards and commissions and the reason we have it's not a lifetime appointment like the supreme court is that really this board has a duty i think to make sure that the people that are serving on these boards and commissions are doing what they're supposed to and they're acting in a way that reflects the will of the residents of our elected who elect us which is why this board is the body that does makes those confirmations so i guess mr diggins gave the short answer mine is the more long-winded answer saying that i think we should have a policy both for this position and just in general and it will cause some administrative burdens we know but like i said for most of the positions it i don't know how we differentiate one board or commission versus the other which makes it difficult because last i checked we had in the hundreds of boards and commissions but it also is a way to advertise openings and serving on some of the boards that we liaise to for ATED i think every agenda we have an agenda item new recruitment how do we get more people involved in ATED and a process of posting positions that are open would help us do that so i'm definitely on board with the policy and i think it will help us again have boards and commissions and representatives that closely reflect you know the will of the arlington residents thank you mr chair um this is one of the this is the probably the main thing i was playing phone and text tag with you on because um first i would have a question either to you or to returning home and then i'll briefly encapsulate my thoughts but as the chairman pointed out this is the really the first time since uh the agreement was rewritten with the minute man communities in two or three towns that asked to exit the minute man family were allowed to do that in another facet of that was the changing of the appointment from the town moderator to for arlington the select board and in terms of establishing a policy i would ask the chair and or attorney hind just as a starting point i think under that new agreement in place regarding the minute man communities there what steps which i think is a step we've already taken but what steps do we have to do per that agreement which would be incorporated into our policy so that would be my first short short question if that's okay of course yes uh attorney hind please thank you mr chairman the requirements for appointment are set forth in sections one c and d of the agreement they don't actually provide very much information other than to say that the select board is the appointing authority and that um a reappointment needs to be made there's no specific process it does allow for us that we wanted to to by by law or by special legislation return that responsibility to the moderator specifically but other than that it doesn't provide any detail for how you have to go about making your initial appointment or making a new reappointment i just want to take a second if it's okay with folks to talk about the fact that you're not totally starting from scratch minute man is somewhat unique in the sense that you in your handbook um i believe section five talks about your appointments under uh your statutory authority and as well as your appointments under committees created by the select board this is not either one of those things but um your sort of practice there is to welcome feedback including uh folks to submit candidates in writing um and suggesting they'd like to see this person appointed from interest groups residents etc um and then for your reappointments you've committed to contacting folks who are up for reappointment but there's not a lot of detail which i think is part of what uh the chair and all of you were here to discuss tonight to maybe see do you want to formalize sort of different steps in that more than you have in your current handy um and furthermore because minute man is a unique sort of entity it isn't technically a appointment pursuant to your statutory authorities nor is it uh an appointment um under some sort of committee that you've created like a transportation advisory committee or something like that so uh there's a little bit of a long way of answering your question miss mahan which is that there really isn't anything guiding us except for a good practice which is to say you know that the board should um have the discussion that you're having now and decide what do we feel like we need to do to make sure that we've uh made sure that we've seen appropriate candidates and uh taken appropriate steps to that um so the good news is is that we have a lot of flexibility the bad news is that with that flexibility there isn't a ton of guidance for exactly what we have to do or what we should do thank you and then um i guess what i would say to that and i it may be a step maybe miss mar or mr chairman that we've already taken um what i'd like to hear from from my colleagues is i think part of that process in terms of uh reaching out to the community in this case the minute man community um would be uh because i believe the first time we contacted uh the superintendent um and i always say his name wrong superintendent vocal vocalin vocalin i apologize um and i think this time we also have contacted the superintendent and or that's correct we've reached out to the superintendent's office although she's not there the admin assistant has reached out to us okay so uh and we've and we've also reached out to mr ribbon right yes and he's expressed his interest right so i think for this particular appointment and i guess i would suggest um this is a good sort of starting point for i think our next meeting agenda when we set um the june july and august or july and august dates when we set our uh mission and goals um this should probably be where we really get into the meat of it of what do we want to do a with appointments moving forward um keeping in mind the the uh diversity equity inclusion equity report being what do we want to do at our goals meeting to section five of the uh select board handbook and see anything else that the chair picks up on that i'm missing but um for this this particular appointment um uh i like the steps that we've taken it is something new um i think whatever uh outreach the chair with the select board office can do to advertise this and i think we should do this um every three years because similar to i don't know if it was mr herd or mr diggins about school committee every three years select board every three years um i think we take each of the appointments that the select board has if we can lump them into two three four categories that's great but i think this really is sort of unique um and and i would be interested in keeping it per the most recent minute man agreement with the select board just of the sense of um i think it opens up opens up the opportunity to anyone in the minute man community whether you're a parent or not whether you're a professional paraprofessional with minute man or regional vocational technical school or not and i think the select board allows that wide range sort of welcoming um not that the town moderator doesn't but when you hear it's a town meeting town moderate appointment it might go with the stigma oh i'm not a town meeting member so i think we should keep it with the select board um i think we should continue with the steps that the chair and the select board's office has taken which is uh the minute man community has been notified maybe the chair could follow up on to make sure what the proper vehicle is whether there's a minute man universal list that this could be posted and then whatever we normally do in the regular course of business um as well as i think you've had the conversation with mr ruderman and i think we should do that going forward and this appointment is every three years or every three years um and then have a longer conversation on that so i'm fine fine with the course that the chair has set in the office in in attorney heim and um i'd like to keep the appointment with the select board and i'd like to really redefine uh section five select board handbook and um under the generalities of the minute man agreement one c and d after that discussion maybe sort of incorporate or beef that up and keep the appointment with us thank you mr chair thank you mrs mohan mr decorsi thank you mr chairman and yeah i i agree with my colleagues and i will say just to maybe stress that the minute man appointment is unique because of that constituency of the that the parents who are are sending their children to minute man and it's unlike any other appointment that we make in terms of um over the years previously it was the moderators appointment but i just know for my years on finance committee didn't always know what was happening up at minute man depending on who was on on the school committee up there who the who the representative was but i think also keeping it as a select board appointment um and we talked about this briefly but maybe receiving updates from the school committee member two in terms of what's going on because there are certainly issues regarding potential expansion of the district potential capital expansion and and just issues in terms of um being at the um allocation of the of the assessments to the to the member of community so i i think the course that has been set forth here i i i agree with it as well we receive feedback and i think we should continue um to to make the appointment i'll say more after you i mean you haven't spoken yet so if you want to speak and then i can speak after you if you want to talk to you go right away so yeah i would take people's last person as a moderator on the other body i would i would say submitted to maybe the school committee you know uh he says they have i mean they know schools probably better than we do you know but it would certainly be an avenue for us to maybe get some some advice i'm thinking you know if we want to really be vet more candidates we might need to spin up being uh a subcommittee you know to do some work between now and the end of july of june because not a lot of time especially if we want to you know vet some more candidates in terms of policy it's really going to come down to how we actually do the selection and the vetting process these do we have the interviews you know me once again that might be something for a subcommittee of ours to do you know so you can because you want to spend time um with the candidates you might have the let's say you have you put it out there and you get 20 candidates me how do you little that down to the number that you're going to interview who interviews them and then makes the recommendation to the full board do you do that interview in a public format you know uh you know do you have a debate me it's just things to think about you know and it may be a lot to think about for this cycle we may do more in the next cycle but i think we need to do a lot more than we did in the previous cycle granted it was our first time me but um there's certainly you know demand out there for more more input and of course we want to be very deliberative we don't simply want to respond mean to a loud outcry mean by that i mean you want to be you know you want to listen to the loud outcry but you don't want me the direction of the outcry to determine what you do you want to take that in as a factor and then use that in terms of helping you decide what the ultimately you know who you ultimately choose i mean so a little bit longer but i'll stop now i guess i'll well i was gonna say i'm gonna back clean up but i think that's the fourth spot and this is the fifth so i'm pretty good another sports metaphor i'm working on it i appreciate this discussion very much this is exactly what i hoped for which was very thoughtful input i think i'm getting a pretty clear consensus from the board i agree with everything that's been said i think we're we're really much pretty much in the same page here if i might venture to summarize i think that it seems to be a clear consensus that the minimum employment in particular is unique for reasons that have been articulated and there seems to be consensus interest in advertising the opening for for nominations and certainly welcoming that of the self-nomination of of the incumbent mr ruderman for who we thank for his service in the last three years at this point i'm comfortable if the board wants me to go with that consensus to to spin up a process including could include asking a couple of you in a date soon to be on subcommittee or if anyone wants to make a specific motion tonight we could check check in with mr ruderman mr heim on the appropriateness of that i guess whatever you and attorney heim think is appropriate after you do the outreach get the names i don't know if it's appropriate to poll the board to say if there are five ten fifteen applicants do we mirror the process and we can have this at the goals meeting too do we mirror the mirror the process of the zoning board of appeal appointments to which it would fall to the chair and vice chair and or his or her designee um right because it can't be three of us uh so i guess you know as as we go forward whatever the chair and vice chair think first i guess see what the interest is right um if it turns out that it's it's just mr ruderman that sort of answers the question for us but i think we we still need to have the expanded discussion at our goals meeting um about uh just what we're discussing right now if we do get five ten fifteen is it the zba process we mirror is the zba process that we do um something we want to continue on or change in some way but so i guess for this it's sort of a moving not target but a moving uh goal um and uh whatever way appropriate for us to take the next steps but definitely we need to see what the universe is thank you well said mr mohan thank you um i concur i think that's exactly right to to really think about this in a more systematic and expanded way so my intention will be then to proceed working with it with the board staff to promote the opportunity that the board sends to the board to to advertise this availability and we'll work up a process as quickly as we can to notify the community and particularly the main community and to come up with some outreach and then again i think this is mrs mohan suggested depending on the volume of of uh applicants if we have them then i can uh figure out if we need to to do a subcommittee just get that mr urd yeah i just know for the housing authority appointment we had what we consider a similar situation and i believe we just took the app anyone that applied we gave a short interview and i never call it if we whittled it down and then went from there but i mean i i think there's a direct interview from the board or like us i believe we just had them all on zoom and i think having not the dba is different from this but i mean the this to me feels like something that a full board interview process in less 35 people apply and i guess we can we can see from there but if four people apply i think it's appropriate to have four people come and pitch the board as to why they are appropriate for the spot and the board can make a nomination and vote sounds right to me okay thank you again very much for the very helpful discussion and uh we'll get right to work on this i guess it's just a discussion i don't need to vote or anything you're fine okay it's just a discussion you didn't need to vote or anything so that's correct yeah unless the member wanted to make a motion but i think it was pretty clear we were fine with that one so okay speaking of discussions without votes item 14 discussion overnight parking pilot proposal uh i've got i know we're listening to board members but i think really it's it's mr. dickens here at the plate so you guys you guys proceed but since i i wrote this i'll just take the lead tonight so you've you've seen it you know i hope and it's a pretty much mean to run the discretionary the current discretionary overnight parking pilot i mean alongside uh non-discretionary overnight parking pilot and that non-discretionary will issue about in 150 you know permits you know and they would be on a first come first serve basis you know and i think perhaps the big question for us to answer would be whether we want to limit the um them to one per household or not you know and so for me it means really a matter of seeing what the demand is you know so so i'm inclined to be allowed more than one per household you know and because at the end of the pilot we are going to evaluate you know and that will that evaluation be as extensive as we want you know but for me a big part of that would be being where are these permits coming from my part of the permit process would have the person give us a reason for why they want the permit you know and hopefully they'll give us an honest answer because it's not going to determine whether to get the permit or not you know and and alongside this we can also do surveys it will be up to us as to what's in those surveys you know to try and gauge me what kind of demand there is especially if it's over described you know so that's where you know open the questions um try to be brief mohan i just want to let i'm coming from right now a place of no and i just want to explain why it but i can change that at the next meeting or whatever but um i pretty much should i think i've been saying that i'm no just that um my memory is you know this came from a town meeting member in precinct four i can see her i think i remember her name correctly but i don't want to say it incorrectly i'm not sure if she still is a town meeting so be it to me to me oh i would have got the first name not the last name and it was a concern over uh financial economic issues and that's where it came forward and we we started exploring that and and really what i see before us including do we allow more than one per household we in just my opinion really straight from what it is we started down the road to try to accomplish here as well as keeping in mind you know our net zero goals our 2050 goals our 2030 goals um uh alternative transportation and um i do know that the transport i'm going to say it wrong i think maybe i'm not sure if it's allington bicycle advisory committee into a transportation advisory committee that has contacted us and sent some correspondence um that have had concerns um as well as uh we've all read it and so i won't encapsulate what they've said but i didn't see them as endorsing this either right now but i also think i picked up on that they um weren't involved in the process enough either so you know maybe their opinion shouldn't be as loud or not but um i still would like to uh go back to the process that the select board does have um i sometimes feel like we've gone down this road because when we do have overnight parking waiver hearings um sometimes they are difficult votes and you know are we trying to skirt that that we don't have to do that and i know that i can't think of one person that's come before the board with an overnight parking request that also had a financial economic consideration that they wanted to be taken into account that the board the previous board of select men the current select board has always uh granted that um so uh i would not be in favor of if for some reason i went from no to okay yes do the pilot but uh approving more than one per household i think really gets away from you know are we just trying to find people that you know well i don't want to have to move the car and are we encouraging more cars that you know well you know my daughter's fiance soon to be husband stays here and he or she or partner needs to park i mean i just don't see i at the most i would say to my colleagues if i'm still a no and other people are a yes and it prevails um i would just say i don't see why there's a need for for more than one um just keeping in line with some of the other initiatives that are running sort of concurrently um with this as well as i i keep beating the same drum but how did we start going down this road and and what's the road that we're overnight parking on now and i just seen in my opinion it's gone so far a field of what the original is so um i'm still no i could be yes um but i'm definitely if i was a yes i would and am advocating for it should not be more than one per household and i really think one of the ten amount um uh requirements after this whether the pilot is approved it happens and or if the pilot's not approved and we um go back to the the initial process maybe we need to expand on economic uh diversity so that people know that that's an option um and i don't think and i think i'll stop there thank you thank you mrs bylon yeah i mean i think we said this at past means it's pilot we want to create a pilot the mirror is what we do going forward to get the best results i mean i personally think that it should be limited to one per household just because it could be roommates with four you know four unruly people that have four cars and i don't think that's what we're what we're looking for and again if the majority of the board thinks that we should allow more than one per household then fine but i just think it squares some of the concerns that we're receiving from residents who are against the parking permit just for congestion for climate resiliency goals um so i i think it should be one per household um i raise this again and i have no problem with it being in the policy and i know it has always been a concern that if you're going to get one in you have to park in front of your house or this lane which will allow for odd even parking i don't know what enforcement looks like but that with as far as the island police department have to enforce overnight parking restrictions and make sure that someone has a permit a permit how they know that that car is associated with that address i guess they get one of the plates but it's an extra step um as i read the policy it still seems in i don't know if this is by intent or maybe i'm just not seeing it my eyes aren't what they used to be but it still seems like where if this is the pilot language that there has to be a stated rationale for the for the why you're asking for the overnight parking permit as far as handicap or hardship engineering and possibility of having a driveway which i think that language has strictly been interpreted in the past to essentially say that if there's any way to get a driveway on there no matter what you have to pay and you don't qualify for a permit it was my understanding that if we're going to do the the permit we weren't really going to ask for a rationale for it if someone asked requested it wanted to pay the fee then they'd be able to do it um and i think going forward we would just have to kind of be case by case analysis but i didn't think that as part of the permit they were they were gonna have to make a case as to why they needed it but maybe i it's been a while since i think we've had a lot of discussion on this can i just answer that yeah so so it's not they just tell us why it doesn't determine whether they get it or not it's just a point of information in the pilot me for those who get the non-discretionary permit we're simply asking them why it is that you want the permit but it won't for the data reasons you have a data reasons to help us gauge gauge what kind of demand there is for it and that's a non-discretionary you know the discretionary will continue to run means our current policy continues to run so so if someone doesn't want to get a permit that's going to cost them 360 a year 30 000 months because it'll be prorated you know they can come in as they've always done you know and make their case mean and then that case i mean i think it's like $80 here's me you pay $75 set up i think and then $80 every other after that and that would continue me um that isn't subject to the time constraints of the pilot they'll get to renew the beginning of next year so this is not either or it's really both and with the pilot uh overlaid on our current discretionary policy and then again i'm sorry if it's in there and i'm not seeing it are there any restrictions on the pilot as far as mass av because i know traditionally the island police department has taken that has for safety reasons resisted having parking on mass av because that was one of the solutions that we had thought of that had been proposed before is mass av is bigger and maybe for some of the the looking east allington where the tighter streets just permit allow parking overnight on mass av but then i know the police department before has resisted that i know i'm sure some of the businesses would like to keep those spots open i don't like in business first you can't park in front of your house and i guess you could hypothetically if you're in an apartment above but then you have a car there that would ultimately be subject to to time limits that we impose on mass av anyways but i don't know just a consideration i think for the pilot it's fine but long term it's something to think about and maybe check in with the police department to see if they have any concerns about allowing parking on mass av thank you mr chairman thank you mr diggins for for your work bringing this back before the board i mean my name is there but mr diggins is really more recently has done that um by far the that the bulk of the work on this i appreciate that um i think just a couple of comments as to um mr heard said i i'd be inclined to limit it to one per household as well in a pilot arrangement and the other thing that came out of some of our discussions and again this this pilot discussion has been going on for a long time and originally it started that we would just open it up to everybody and just see what would happen now this is is more limited but from the feedback that we received um because there are different categories of overnight parking permits like you have the emergency of the family member visiting for weekend i came away from the forums thinking it's it's going to be much harder to say one side of the street um and i think if we're limiting the number of nondiscretionary to judge demand but we're still allowing the 14 days for people who are visiting in some other situations i i think in my mind i'm almost back to saying you receive the permit but in front of your house because i i really do see a difficulty in terms of having people park only on one side of the street where these other programs are still going to continue and where potentially the demand isn't going to be as great as maybe what we envisioned originally um so i just just a comment on that um i think it's something you have this starting on july 1 i think it's given the feedback tonight and for the discussion it's probably something that we can do if we get it on an agenda in june if this consensus among or if there's at least three of us will voting for but he um those are those are just my two areas there i do think it's important to try to get feedback from staff whether just through the town manager's office place department that some of these reviews can still take place during the pilot period uh as well and i'd like to have that for the benefit of other board members before there's a final vote yeah i think as mrs. Of course he went through his points and he kind of struck me that we had envisioned i think when we were talking about audio even parking this idea that you know there's cars lining the streets with 150 permits we're just not going to see that um and certainly during the day there's probably more congestion there's a lot more cars parked when they can park out in front of the street they house legally and that's when there's more traffic and they seem to survive and at night there's not going to be a lot of traffic going up and down the streets so it may be beneficial to just limit in to in front of one's own house um and it certainly i thought of a situation i guess where it's audio parking and you're parking in front of your across the street neighbor's house that night and they're like hey what are you parking here and like as a slight boy told us we couldn't park it from our house so it probably would make sense given the limited number of permits to do that um and see you know what the data yeah yeah again i don't envision that this will cause major clutter in the streets just given the current operations so um i'll speak none of my own thoughts if i may um i think at this point i would vote against this although in its current form and and maybe anything too much like it um but i'm very happy to put this on the agenda i think if i get his indication tonight particularly that there would be members who would consider voting for it you know i certainly will respect that um so if you haven't made that clear in this meeting that would be very useful um to me and i would certainly support whatever the majority of the board wants to do because i think there is merit to the idea i just i'm i'm not personally persuaded that it's it's uh ready to be implemented even on a temporary basis some of my concerns are and it's just something we could easily change you know the 200 permits could be enough to have a significant unexpected effect effect we could reduce that we could start at the small number and and go higher so um if we did do this by the way and i'm and i'm saying i couldn't be persuaded to vote for it but that's where i'm at now i think i would definitely be a one per household uh camp i'm not i'm ambivalent about the side of the street i think honestly i'd want to know what the what our experts in in the police department in the town manager's office and in other relevant offices uh the town manager would see uh would seem appropriate to give us some advice about the the likely impact or the feasibility of that particularly with respect to existing waivers and uh in permits um i think my underlying it has been it's been a good process over the last year or so that we've been talking about this it did start as my colleague missus mahan said with a desire to help people in specific situations and i think that it's been a useful exercise to explore a pretty large map of of how that what this could look like did we do a townwide just do is to abolish the overnight ban altogether and i think that quickly moved to well if we did that we would have to institute permit parking for everybody like cambridge does for instance to and then we we had some good feedback from public forums that there was concerned that maybe that was over solving for the problem and you know the if the problem is to help help people who who who for whom the current exceptions and waivers in discretionary permits aren't helping then how do we do that and for me this doesn't quite hit that mark yet i think that i see i see the point in a lightweight uh trial and i and i like the word trial more than pilot because for me pilot involves more systematic study than i think we're actually proposing to do i think we're really just saying we're looking at demand uptake right if we did a trial that was more or less whoever wants a permit can get one and we asked for some data i don't know that that represents i think to mr herds point how well that matches what we think we do long term you know i think that we would see how many people would on a six month or a four month basis like to park on the street for a while probably not going to buy a new car because the temporary i'm not i'm not convinced that we will learn what we need to learn for whatever the program is not and i'm not sure what the long term program actually would look like and i don't find myself persuaded that what we would learn from this trial would inform what we want to do uh we've done some good work and i appreciate the work uh that my colleagues have done i'm also aware that we are primarily a policy board and i am cautious about do it yourself uh transportation and planning and and respectful of the expertise that we have on the board but i'm aware and i think that the others in the forums have said that you know the town has limited staffing resources and even limited worst resources and the wonderful folks in the tack but but we had this hasn't really deeply involved in a kind of systematic study analysis proposal kind of way involved uh the expertise of the town departments at the town manager brings to bear or an outside consultant if we want to go that direction and and i know that this may just be a difference of opinion about but the best way to proceed i think i'm hearing that a suggestion that we just see what happens and that is a valid way to do it for me i am worried enough about unintended consequences and knowing what we don't know and what we don't have the expertise in to be cautious about that because i think that for me if we do even a trial basis or a pilot it is very difficult to get out from that precedent to we start the ball moving i think that i'm not sure what would happen and we can pull it off you know we can pull it back we can we can say the program's off if things go things go wrong um but not only unintended consequences i really want to learn from whatever if we do something i really want to learn from that i think there's a lot that a pilot a true pilot study if it was if it was adequately scoped and planned and drafted could could say well what is the impact on certain kinds of streets what's the impact on on car ownership and i know that that's really long and hairy and and and that's and that's hard to do but i think we've pitched to this to this to the public as a pilot study and really i think what's come down to is we you know there's a proposal to issue a number of permits pretty much to whoever asks for one with maybe a couple of limited um criteria and um you know i think the learning would just be who wants to park more you know on the streets and that's not a that's not invalid to learn but for me it doesn't it doesn't speak to helping specific people in specific use cases so and i realize i'm the one being quite long-winded but there's a lot it's just to list for me right now if we if there was another proposal if there's three members here who would indicate uh tonight that they would be inclined likely to vote positive i'm happy to put this on an agenda so i hope that my my um my um negative comments or my my things would be seen as constructive criticisms to make that kind of proposal better um for for what we do because it's it is not without appreciation for the thinking or respect for a different point of view of how we should do this mr i mean i think we've gone through a long process we've involved a lot of the community and we've heard both positive and negative things about the pilot i mean i think it's it's pilot i think we make clear to people we're going to collect information from people and make clear to them that this is going to be limited engagement and there is an end date and we can send reminders to them that you know as of this date you're not allowed to park in front of your house anymore um and i think on both sides of the issue we've seen this kind of extremes where it's like this is incredible demand and we can test that and we've seen people that are against the pilot that said oh it's going to have this crazy negative effect and we can test that too and i think in both cases is it's not going to pan out quite as much as it was presented to us so i mean i think if we have a limited number of permits limited to in front of people's houses which again i'm fine with the language it's just the enforcement i don't know what that looks like i think we can loop in our amazing apd officers to with suggestions of whether or not that language is clear enough get a little clarification to see if they want to include massav if they do that's fine um and then limit one per household i said all right it's kind of like um i think i'm fine having a limited pilot and again to see what if anything just see what comes of it so i mean that's where i am so i like the word trial you know uh because because i think if it's under subscribed me you know it may that may answer a lot in itself and the trial just becomes you know becomes part of the pop the policy although the behavior may very well be different in the trial i mean and we have to be cautious about that you know look if i could if i could have figured out the how to do a pilot that would give us an answer in any reasonable amount of time that would be different than just change the policy outright i mean i would propose that you know and and i think i know enough i am not an expert in transportation but i've been doing it you know i'm a fair amount with mt and i've been a member attack i just don't see a pilot you know in any year or two time frame that's going to tease out the kind of answers i think that you would find satisfactory that i would find satisfactory so that's why all along it's like let's just see you know what the doesn't break and so uh uh and um and i'm gonna make one more push me for more than one per household because i kind of feel out in in the east mean uh where you have a lot of adults mean in in a household i mean that that may have you know um more than one car i mean that might be the place where you see the demand for more than one and and it could be very helpful you know to to meet folks in in those situations where they just don't have the option mean and and we heard cases where you just you just have it's not a matter of convenience it's really a matter of like you have the um uncooperative you know neighbors you know that really are making difficult for people mean to move things around you know early in the morning or even in the evening you know man and um so i just put it out there but look at me and and i can easily just say look at me just get the one if they get your three votes and go and and and and if that's how it shakes out the time shakes out but i just need to think you know um put in one more plug to me for um more than one perhaps especially you know in this pilot slash trial phase now if we get the things get over subscribed that will be an interesting situation in itself and it may be be from seeing the reasons that people give for why you know they would like to be a part of it it could give us some sense of how to conduct being a pilot you know later on but but but i'm all for bringing more people into the process mean and helping us think it out whether it be you know sooner as part of the next phase of this or if we decide not to go forward and we still want to go forward with this but we still want to explore this me for another two or three years if i was that you know bringing more people and say hey you know we'll have the overnight parking you know study committee you know next visit thank you thank you mr chairman and i appreciate it everybody's comments and again what you've done here mr deans and for me i'm at a point where i'd just like to get some more information and i think that's where the when i see more information from the trial or from the pilot and i come from a place where i live in a private way my whole neighborhood is private ways people park in the street they can park in the street i live there for almost 30 years and it it works itself out and and again it's it's not like every neighborhood there's other issues that are unique to to some neighborhoods but i talking to people in my neighborhood about it and in receiving some feedback it just feels to me that we're 20 percent of the streets and only thing you can park overnight and most people park in front of the house sometimes you might have a few extra neighbors and you might be along the side it i i'm not aware of any complaints in in in in my area and it's it's probably eight to ten streets that that that happens and and um i would just like to see some information so for me it's not a huge leap to say okay let's try overnight parking for a period of time because it's been going on for for a while and i see certain situations where there are people particularly during the pandemic but since then people have come back and there may be an extra car there for a period of time and and people are generally parking and in front of their house i haven't seen people buy two or three extra cars and again there are concerns we have no idea what the demand will be we don't know whether there'll be a lot there'll be a little but i i feel i'm at a point where i want to find out something i want to move forward even if it's just small incremental and get more information and i think mr diggins is right i don't think we could design something that is going to get the feedback that that we're all looking for but i think it'd be helpful to get some information just to see if we should expand things should we change the discretionary policy so there's been a lot of talk and for me i'm not maybe word for word right now but i'm i'm ready to try something and and uh with a few tweaks between now and uh when we ultimately vote just speaking for myself thank you this is really helpful i think i think i'm hearing three voices saying that they'd like to give this ago and i will be very glad to look forward to uh seeing a vote for that my personal request to to the proponent here um first of all i think i'm persuadable i think this has been very very useful um would be i would strongly request that that we do get input from the apd but any other officials at the town manager would suggest who because i think that he will have the best insight into who should look at this and just help us make this the best trial that it that it could be if that's the direction the board would vote um before we get there and um and go from there so any other final comments and just you know i have sent it to the town manager and asked him to forward it to i think he thinks he should be would be would be willing or should give feedback you know so and i heard what people said about one side of the street so so probably that will come out you know unless we get feedback that that should and we will have another discussion and hopefully both one final question i have is have we talked about you know the the i've always liked the idea that these would be associated with a with a snow spot in the in the town lots for our existing waivers and and discretionary permits would would it be possible to you know if we were to do this if they come to us and say well i'd like i'd like one of those emergency slows those lots because i have to move my car during a snow emergency would that be something that we may ask mr town manager on that point any idea without without warning but any off the cuff idea about i did ask the thank you miss chair i did ask the dpw commissioner today i read him the part here here that said that holders of an overnight permit will be able to park on the street in front of their residents uh oh and sorry that's the wrong part where it refers to the fact that people have access to the lots and that they will be oh we expected to use the reserve spot in a lot when they're street cleaning or snow emergency and i asked them don't we have to clear the lots too when he said no we let people get in there so in fact i think so they can do it now yes so that may not be that may not be a particular stress point then well i i i kind of heard your questions differently and i'll follow up with the the board at net because because i know that for those who get the um to get to parking lots now i don't know if that's different than those who get like waivers you know so so so it's like for those who be or maybe doing the 14 day wave or whatever like i think you can go back and review some more you know i don't think they get assigned a a a lot spot you know so are there the permits that we issue through our office for discretionary permits are for in front of their home they do not get a permit it does not equal a spot in the lot during a snow emergency so people that park in lots are actually they don't come through us whatsoever they're downstairs and they're issued through the treasurer's office and that spot would allow them you know they park their day and they can do night so then the question is how many is it how many spots there are and how many they've already issued would be through the treasurer's office right no the other question is though how many permits or waivers or have we issued you know that don't get spots in the lots they're temporary so they're usually again just for like a medical if somebody has hospice coming or there's a financial and most of the time if they're in the proximity of a lot school we ask them to park there we don't ask them to park on the street so most we don't have that many maybe a handful of people i'd say anywhere from 10 to 15 okay oh that that's that's fine yeah okay thanks that's good information thank you yeah all right okay so i think we're good on this uh thank you very much for this and uh that i believe i'm checking with my vice chair here if i missed anything because it has been known to happen all right so the next item on the board on the agenda looks different but really isn't i've been wanting to do this actually i thought about this for a few months um i don't know what it says about me that i think contemplate being chair and i think this is the one thing i want to do is a legacy is nomenclature uh the new business item is ton of consoles and for me is really a legacy from before open meeting law which very clearly puts the limits on what we can discuss and we can't have an interactive board discussion that we haven't posted you know two days in advance and um it always struck me as a little bit is you know a good tradition but potentially confusing to residents or new new people to meetings that they might it might look like oh well this is this a free for all that you can just put new business on that that you haven't know that you're going to discuss that you haven't noticed then of course we we can't do that and we don't do that um so looking back in my experience to what this time has been used for it seems like it's pretty much a good announcement time with the occasional supporting report from our local teams um or anything else that the board wants to say so that's it i think i'm not trying to constrain what any board or staff members say in this i do this clearly for uh for the clarity of the public so with that said mismar do you have any announcements no thank you mr town manager i have three now that you've opened this up this is great um one is uh you will get a memo next week uh under correspondence received from the planning director uh just notifying you uh that we are going to wait a year to apply to the state for massworks grant for apple tree street there are significant enough parking issues involved with a mass av and apple thin uh plus i think we've become more and more aware of the issues around the myrack development and the ingress and egress from that slot uh i thought i would just mention it tonight because i know there's been a lot of interest on the board for this so i just wanted to give you a heads up and then you will get uh noticed next time from the planning director board the second thing that i know has been a matter of interest on the board is the state of parking meters um as of last friday we had checked and the meters had still not been shipped from their uh the company in canada that's shipping them um so we have put out a notice telling people at this point that we're not expecting to change them out until or have them changed out until july 1st um we put that notice out because that was sort of we are hoping the long range of the time uh for which we will still not have meters and still not be enforcing uh the parking meters uh we do continue to look at it um but i just want to let you know that's the status and then finally anticipation those of you have not seen the boston globe today i just want to point out that my picture is on the front page there's a good article here about um the first amendment audit that we went through where some i don't know the technical term would be cuckoo heads um came in and filmed a lot of our staff harassed them uh under the name of saying that they were exercising their first amendment rights really as i said in the article i don't see what it has to do with the first amendment um it was just a way to get a lot more hits on their youtube channel uh to make some of our staff very uncomfortable uh it was an unfortunate incident we are not alone there are many other communities around the boston area uh that have been subject to this uh the fellow who does this does it all over the country um anyway i did want to point it out because uh it has affected us here in arlington uh that i think is a good story in the globe i will send a pdf of it to the clerk's office because you have to subscribe to the to the globe to be able to find it online so i will send that and share it with all of you thank you mr pooler and i was remissed in passing over attorney heim who is still joining us remotely did you have any announcements sir no announcements mr chair thank you thank you mrs mahan you sure um i think three quick things the first one is um as we all know uh one of can graduate one of our crossing guards linda corella from hearty school um which i believe it's going to be in your house the celebration but she was one of three in the state there were about 135 133 people that were nominated um and she was one of the three in the state um that was awarded the i think it's called like the crossing guard champions and it's also tied into the safe routes to schools um and uh i believe june 8th there'll be something at the state house um uh to have the ceremony through mass dot and and uh other thing and i know um members of our legislative delegation as well as perhaps our chair will be in the state house that day and can carry our personal thanks but i do want to say thank you to uh linda corella down at hearty school as well as all of our crossing guards um i could give them all an award every time i go by whether it's um downing square with five to five hundred ways to enter there whether it's mass avanappleton uh in the morning or in the afternoon with the solar glare but um very proud of linda corella and uh her and her uh mom natalie have done so much for the town and i'm so glad she got that recognition so uh the second thing is um as we all know the day after the uh discussion at town meeting which centered around poet's corner several people have asked me if the town was going to be able to pick up that project and i have told them at the sake of being incorrect the town manager the answer would be no to the approximate ten million dollar project um uh that belmont hill which encompassed lots of things that that's i myself personally don't see that that's something um we could do but um this board and myself forwarded to uh the town manager and the pock and wreck director who have poet's corner in the queue to be discussed at a pock and wreck recreation meeting and i do appreciate that in the past uh 12 months or less there have been about six i think six parks playgrounds um that have been renovated and i do know that pock and wreck um besides poets corner has robin's farm being discussed has the hills hill project has monotony rocks park uh as well as closing out uh the previous six uh it's more like punchless stuff left on that so um i i really do appreciate everybody who spent time on that issue but especially our colleagues on on the pock and wreck commission um for not only work around poets corner but previous and moving forward and then um we all won't be here next monday because it'll be memorial day and we'll have our veteran services that uh jeff chunggo is um organizing and i'm uh it's an event that i it's very near and dear to all our hearts um especially coming from a veteran family which i'm very proud of um and have nothing but accolades to say about our veterans and because of that i won't say anything more on that um but uh i'm also really excited to hear again from uh if i get it wrong i apologize of my husband dad father-in-law all my veterans in the family i believe it's um major general bill william rap who i met one day when i was visiting christine crone and tachi it's their neighbor uh who lives right across um who jeff chunggo um a few years ago uh who was able to um connect with and utilize uh the the major general has given seven talks several talks um not just around veterans but around his service but um native american uh one particular talk that really morphed into an even bigger event than that so um our veteran services director always never fails us in terms of the program that he has put together um along with his wife diane um that uh the speakers are always someone that are very inspirational and this is the first time i can remember that we have such a dignitary who also is an ollington resident so i'm very excited about that and i know um it'll be a great event and if you can't be there in person thank goodness for acmi that's going to be able to broadcast it and replay it so that's it for my new business thank you mr thank you thank you i would also like to congratulate mr crella for her award it's certainly well deserved um i drive through that intersection every day when i'm going to pick up the kids and certainly see her they are very attentive and it is as a former hearty student i know it it can be a lot at that intersection so it's an important section to have a very well attuned crossing guard and linda is up to the task um to have is gonna sound like a little inside baseball it's there's a herd field re dedication um what was the last what was the name of the field again herd field no h u r d but there's a former uh select board member that has been all over me to make sure that i was writing the word on this and the spearheading this event uh but is well the name certainly bears my name it's really a celebration of the work of the parks and rec um commission um the cpa is that funded the the um renovation of the field that was long overdue just like poets so there will be an event there'll be speakers we have uh lezzie mayor from the parks and recs commission in park commission cpa representative will speak gen rotenberg from the park commission myself other town officials then the first pitch will be thrown out by two fifth generation members of the herd family which i am fourth generation so you can do the math there and then they'll be followed by the first game at the new field will be the two triple a powerhouses the giants versus the dodgers um so if you're in the area you should definitely come and watch that game as well when again oh sorry it is thursday may 25th the ceremony starts the dedication starts at 5 30 i'm going to be in an apple sorry i would come you know to see billon and besley's new field uh mr de coursey thank thank you mr chairman a couple of things first i i uh want to acknowledge and thank our fire department for the work that they had done on that that the fire in dodley street since our last meeting and that was potential very dangerous situation with the materials that were inside that building and it did a great job and nobody was injured there was a moment there to scare but um happy that that that it was extinguishing with a lot of other businesses around there and the materials is potentially very dangerous situation and i came to mind in terms of the great work our fire department's doing just this afternoon i was working from home and there was a appeared to be a fire it was a fire i think at a neighbor's house um and the fire department came and quickly extinguished it um and it is a homeowner there was living alone who had come out and uh talked to the firefighters they did their work and spent some time with him um he felt good about the work there was some um an issue behind his house that they extinguished and uh also in in the last month since our last meeting my mother-in-law um had a health issue up the heights and uh the shoes brought to to mon harbor nothing serious but um my wife drove in the rescue truck with to the to the hospital and amiri uh and my mother-in-law and um were very relieved that that that great attention they received and uh just when you see these examples in your neighborhood and um we saw with dudley street when the bell rings you never know what you're going to and uh they came and today was a situation where it was uh easy to put down relatively speaking right there's nothing that's really easy but uh you just want to thank them for the great work that they do thank you mr coursey well said mr diggins i have no announcements or your business very well i don't either everything that i was going to say has been said and that is just great motion to adjourn second and a motion to adjourn by vice chair heard seconded by mrs mahan all in favor i think i posed your adjourn