 Major sponsors for Abledon On Air include Green Mountain Support Services of Vermont, Washington County Mental Health, Al-A'Israel. Food sponsors for Abledon On Air include Geffen Foods Israel, Osam Foods Israel. Major media sponsors for Abledon On Air include Park Chester Times, Muslim Community Report, www.thisisthebronx.info, Associated Press Media Editors, U.S. Press Court, Domestic and International. Anchor FL and Spotify. Welcome to this edition of Abledon On Air, the one and only program that focuses on any disconcerting and unachievments of the differently abled. I am your host, Lawrence Seiler, Arlene's here today. Before we introduce our guest, we would like to say that this program today will be airing in January. We would like to thank our sponsors, Washington County Mental Health and Green Mountain Support Services and many others. Okay, Michelle, I'm gonna introduce you now. With COVID-19 and the onset of the way America's views of prejudice as of late, the national, and with the national focus on the subject, civil rights and the Me Too movement and Black Lives Matter have grown stronger in fighting for equality and justice for our country. Some of our strengthened forces have been with the tragic resurgence of white supremacy and neo-Nazi in the past four years and the upswing of prejudice and racial injustice for police brutality and anti-Semitism on the rise. These didn't happen overnight. These prejudices and racial injustices have been the undercurrent of our country. Vermont author and historian, Michelle Sherburn, sits down with Abledon On Air to discuss this as part of a series discussing the roots of prejudice found in our country's history and zooming in on Vermont's history. Welcome, Michelle Sherburn to the show. Okay, so let's begin. We understand that you've written several books on the abolition of slavery, the abolishing of slavery and the Underground Railroad and written a book on St. Auburn's Raid and co-edited the Peacham Civil War book. How does your historic research on the subject lend itself to today's racism profiling prejudice? You know, different types of prejudices. Misconception, how so? In the recent years, what has since changed in terms of prejudice, racial injustice in our country specifically in the last four years of the current administration? Do you think we went and I'll add a little question here. Do you think we went backwards because about a year and a half ago, for example, in Pennsylvania, there was some anti-Semitism with a synagogue shooting and there's been burnings of churches and all kinds of different things. So do you think we went backwards more or we're continuing to, well, I know we're healing from things like this, but do you think we will continue to go backwards? In terms of prejudice in the Civil War, I want to get a little bit to your books here. You wrote a book specifically on the abolition in the Underground Railroad in Vermont. I'm going to show a part of the cover here. Now, how in terms of prejudice and people with disabilities in the Underground Railroad, how does this tie in to how bad was the President during the Civil War leading up to today? Sort of like, I apologize for that. Sort of like what they did for years putting people with special needs and institutions, both mental and physical challenges and institutions viewing people with disabilities as animals. Can you explain, can you, for those that don't know our viewers, can you explain the short end, maybe there's a short end of the Jim Crow laws? Can you explain a little bit about that please? I'm sorry, I apologize, go ahead. I didn't mean to put you on a spot there, I'm sorry. Well, getting to the Jewish people for example, back in the 40s during, they had in Poland and different parts of Germany, they had a horrible situation called Kristonach. Now what Kristonach was, it's called the Night of Broken Glass. Basically, if Jews had businesses, if Jewish people had businesses, butcher shop, shoes, shining shoes, clean laundry, restaurant, things like that, whatever you had, they broke your windows and it took everything away from you. And there were some few people like Oskar Schindler who saved about 1300, 1400 Jews. But some of it was jealousy, but then it was just if you didn't conform to what Adolf Hitler wanted, you were killed. And they even killed thousands more people with disabilities with the T4 project, mental health, physical challenge. If you were one arm, one leg, if you spoke differently or whatever, had a speech impediment, you were killed. And then at some point ministers and even rabbis told, they had a meeting with Adolf Hitler during this thing that, look, you have to stop killing children, you have to stop doing this, this is not God's will. And but he didn't listen. So, yes, yes, now question, as far as the underground road, I'm gonna show you a rather book here. The other book is entitled Slavery in the Underground Railroad in New Hampshire. That's right. So, how was the tie-in between Vermont and New Hampshire during the Underground Railroad times? Wait, wait, so Canada owned, or not owned, but Canada, well, yes, did they own Great Britain? No, I'm confused. I think for the Civil War, that if they were safe up here, they could chase down Robert Boston. So, can you also explain, because you did a book called The St. Albans Raid. Can you explain a little bit about that book and the correlation? Well, association to create a book of contributions, pushed her and said, hey, I think this would be a great book because it's a great story. Show this, show her into St. Albans and Austin's checking things out, but, and they were not mixed with the townspeople. And then they picked a day and they decided to take over the town. No, they had constables and police, but police, talking about police, some of this prejudice extends to police brutality. Yeah, it's called Dark Sage, was the name of the episode. Yeah, they, yeah, now I'm speaking about, quick, quick, quick question. Well, all right, speaking about media, talking about movies and TV programs, movies such as Glory with Matthew Broderick, Selma and others, what? In history, dehumanizing slaves or people with disability, oh, hold on a minute. I think I skipped the question here. Let me go back. Yeah, yeah, how has prejudice through media been viewed today when it comes to prejudice? Like movies such as Selma and other TV series dealing with prejudice? Especially Harriet Tubman movie. Harriet, that was a pretty good movie actually. So in history, dehumanizing slaves or people with disabilities, getting people with disabilities here or eliminating an ethnic group, culture and or religion, what are the reasons that has been done? Especially example, I'm bringing this up, during, and it was in the Bible, during, I've seen the 10 Commandments many times. During Moses' time, he saw the Jews being dehumanized with the pyramids, building the pyramids and like they're getting tired, that they're not being fed, they're not drinking water, they're being whipped. So yeah, I think all, I think all religions have had some form of prejudice. Yes, no? Now, during this, are we allowed to mention the other, we can't mention your other book that you're writing, right? Can you? Briefly. Briefly? Yeah, institution, brand and trastry about it. Fun. A lot of things tied in with the history that I have done with slavery is interwoven. So yeah, that's fine. And we kind of answered one of the questions that you put down here, can you tie that to history of people with disabilities and you're talking about it now? Yeah, exactly. Can you tell us some examples of prejudice or intolerance in the 1800s in Vermont? The first African American female poets in our country and the white neighbors, they were persecuted. Yes, please. We got nine minutes left, but go ahead. Something state, racism, that. Arlene, did you want to ask another question before we kind of end? Because we, take your time. And we hold prejudice. I mean, prejudice might not necessarily go away, but I think if people work together, you know, because, you know, power and numbers, I think if people work together, we can, you know, maybe eradicate it slowly. For people too. And just that everybody deserves the pursuit of happiness and a good life. Jewish, if you're, you know. And with that said, we would like to thank, so let's show your books one last time. We would like to thank Michelle Arnazki-Sherburn, the author of, I think, am I saying that right? Arnazki? You got it. You got it right. You're a good man. Michelle Arnazki-Sherburn, the author of Appalachian and the Underground Railroad in Vermont. Show that one more time. And it's done by the History Press and you can find that on amazon.com. And, you know, we're not allowed to give prices, but I'm sure people can buy your book. Yeah, yeah, probably some other bookstores have your book. That's one. And then the other book here that I have is Slavery in the Underground Railroad in New Hampshire, also done by History Press by Michelle Arnazki-Sherburn. And, Erlene West, you have the other book in front of you. What's the other book named by Michelle Arnazki-Sherburn also done by History Press? You can get it at www.amazon.com and other bookstores. Well, we would like to thank Michelle Arnazki-Sherburn for joining us today on Ableton on Air. Again, we would like to also thank our sponsors, Washington County Mental Health, Green Mountain Support Services, and many, many others. This will air in January. And thank you again, Michelle, for joining us on this edition of Ableton on Air. I'm Lauren Seiler. I'm Lauren Seiler. See you next time. Sponsors for Ableton on Air include, Green Mountain Support Services of Vermont, Washington County Mental Health, Al-Israel. Food sponsors for Ableton on Air include, Geffen Foods Israel, Osam Foods Israel, major media sponsors for Ableton on Air include, Park Chester Times, Muslim Community Report, www.thisisthebronx.info, Associated Press Media Editors, U.S. Press Court, Domestic and International. Anchor FL and Spotify.