 Today I have the pleasure at PDAC to be discussing with Mark Levy-A from SME. How are you today? I'm doing well Trace. It's good to see you again. We were just discussing off the camera about the real issue in the critical minerals market and that is what? Well, the real issue in the critical minerals market aside from the supply of raw materials is human resource and where are we going to get all these mines and once we get the mines where are we going to get the people to man them? So we just came from the SME annual meeting in Denver and I can tell you that in every committee that I sat in on, be it educators or industry, it was all about workforce and where are we going to, how are we going to track the students, these high school kids into the colleges and get them into the engineering disciplines that we need to run these mines. So I'm going to ask you some hard questions Mark. Everyone, all these young, talented people say to me we're going to decarbonize the economy. Well that's fantastic. How are you going to attract these students to get into this industry to do things like, I don't know, rare earth extraction technology processes for instance. How is the SME positioning themselves because I know the CMI is really working on education? Well we have a number of people that have interests in that area so every year you see another committee formed of mutual interests with technical sessions that they organize themselves. We get a tremendous number of volunteers in SME out of our membership and so you can see that growing. Personally I'd say that net zero is going to take some time to be achieved and we're going to have carbon in our lives for a very, very long time because there's a lot of it and there's a lot of researching carbon in terms of other opportunities. Talking about coal for example. So I think that there's going to be an interest of classical training with a bunch of the young people as well as the kids that get excited you know high school when they hear about all these new programs. Our school minds has a new program called space mining. That is a great key segue to key kids into the programs and be exposed to other parts of mining engineering and mineral processing and I think it's doing a great job attracting kids into the industry and we just got to do more of those things. The big key is what attracts them, what interests them. SME has participated now if I may make a plug has participated in a season production called jobs of tomorrow and jobs of tomorrow is a product of freebie TV. They put together a number of industries and each industry has so many episodes so we just completed our season one six episodes talking about opportunities in the mining industry and we're about to do season two and these are not classical things and when you look at the titles you go where's the mining engineer where's this they refer to them but to get involved with ESG they get involved with tailings they get involved with a lot of new terminology things that are of interest to kids. Well personally I think it's going to take a lot of scholarships, scholarships, money it's going to have to have a high average salary that we can actually explain to people but it's very hard when we only have so many Scandium mines for instance. Yeah that's right. So it's kind of a catch-22. Yeah you're absolutely right the money has to be there to help attract them. At our annual meeting we gave out SME gave out over $250,000 in scholarships just at that event. The Wayme Group has given out like three quarters of a million dollars this year in scholarships so fundraising and scholarships is one of our one of our key interests and one of our big drivers keep moving forward and we've got a tremendous amount of sponsors with you know a lot of the same companies that you see here at this at this trade show. Well Mark it's such a pleasure to see you and you know we're looking forward to watching you ramp up for the big annual SME show which happens what February of next year. February 25 to 28 next year in Phoenix, Arizona so we're going to go to a little warmer climate and the attraction should be good. Wonderful thank you Mark. Thank you.