 What arrives in the middle of farts? Yeah That's what video viewers have just arrived at Well, I wanted to make it consistent between the audio and the video. Yeah, I mean, yeah The audio people get a little extra in the pre-show and that's why it's in the treasure chest for the patrons But you don't want to you don't want to keep everything They were a classy show. It's a classy holiday show. Yeah Speaking of that December 4th is coming up Bill Murray. Oh I At least that's only one it's not an entire series It's like now you want everybody slow down. I'm gonna be watching episode five of Star Wars I believe it's called the Empire Strikes something. Oh my god. I those episodes that just Howling Stupid having rewatched them recently because I I think I tried to block two and three out of my memory and I'm watching you going I don't know who these people are. What are they time? What? And then I felt better and then rogue guy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the names Special, uh, yeah, I can't think about it too much because if I start talking about it Then it it I have a state of mind I know how I have to get into which knows the previous episodes I've watched but tries not to know anything Oh, you got to separate them. Yeah, only Tom can partition his own brain You just get G-parted Right Well, then shall we do a podcast Allison? I would like that. I would like that too. Thank you for showing up and doing this with me All right, here we go 200th of 1% of the Daily Tech news show were brought to you by me if you would like to decrease my already meager equity Go to Daily Tech news show dot com slash support This is the Daily Tech news for December 1st 2015 Made it through another month. I'm Tom Mara joining me today Allison Sheridan host of the no silicast podcast at pod feet dot com Uh, you do you still have your ever so slight back by us? Are you even that out? You know, sometimes it's good to lean into who you are, you know I'm not one of those people claims. I'm not a fan boy, but just be honest You got to do that and I do want to say one thing I think I speak for everyone when I say that I hope that Patrick's scarf washing goes Yes, if you're wondering where Patrick Beja is he was on the show yesterday Because he had some very intense scarf washing happens on the first of the month So, you know, it takes all day and uh, he has to go to sleep early Uh, it's you know, it's late right now for him in France. So I'm glad I was able to step up during his time of need Yeah, no, we both appreciate that Allison. All right, let's take a look at some headlines Oh, just look at him. We'll actually read him to you. TechCrunch reports that whatsapp for android appears to be blocking links to Messaging app telegrams not blocking him in ios just an android So we thought well, maybe it's a bug android developer jernedge verag posted on twitter that he found a snippet of whatsapp code That deliberately targets telegram in the android version telegram noted on its facebook Not on its facebook page telegram noted that its facebook page has been taken down But it also said it's actually been down for a while and we never use it. So we didn't notice Wow, that is so sleazy I Well, I want to hold off and give whatsapp a chance To explain uh, if they will because they are owned by facebook The facebook page going away could entirely be from lack of use for some reason. Who knows Uh, and maybe this snippet of code is misinterpreted. It does look bad though Yeah, yeah, but if you were going to do it, why would you only do it to android? That's the only thing that makes me think maybe they're just stupid not malicious And they just and you're like, well, they'll they'll push out a new version They just had a new version of telegram. I'm sorry of what's that pushed to ios november 30th So and if that one's okay, maybe you can push code faster in android than you can in ios Yeah, the block is coming. Yeah Just a review process All right and gadget reports that nokia is taking pre-orders for its ozo virtual reality camera The ozo is a professional grade device that uses eight synchronized 2k by 2k camera sensors to capture its surroundings in 360 degree spherical video The camera records to a 500 gigabyte solid state drive that can hold up to 45 minutes of footage As for the price $60,000 with $5,000 down plus an optional $1,500 docking station The first cameras will ship in q1 2016 tom. Have you ordered yours? I don't think i'll be getting one of those You know prices are coming down On these what is it pyar steridian cameras? There you go. Thank you, but uh, yeah, these, uh, um these cameras Are expensive, but that's why they announced it in los angeles They're trying to get filmmakers to buy this and and if you compare it to buying say a red camera or something like that These prices make more sense Yeah, I should make fun of the price because that's for what that's doing It's insanely inexpensive, but we know we know from experience that five to ten years from now These things will be selling for 199 dollars at best buy should there still be a best buy at that point of time Uh, so it is a little frustrating to be like come on, man Let's let's get the cheap versions out so I can use this, you know to instagram. Are you saying we want instant gratification tom? Uh, yeah, we'll talk about that Yeah, we do Nokia shareholders want some instant gratification They'll meet in hell sinky wednesday to vote on whether to approve the acquisition of france's alcatel lucent The new york times notes that analysts think the takeover could be good because nokia specializes in wireless networking While alcatel lucent is best known for equipment For broadband networks things like routers stuff like that. So they have some overlapping interests there nokia obviously has had some bad mergers and acquisitions in its recent past Siemens for instance, they had to take over because the partnership wasn't working. Of course, there's the whole microsoft deal So a lot of people are nervous about this, but it does seem to be like a good meshing of interests Yeah, that seems a lot more sense-making than some of the others And it solidifies nokia as a networking company for sure. Right, right, right, right Google has updated its data saver feature in chrome for android and claims it can save up to 70% of data use The data saver mode will now remove most images on web pages when loading on a slow connection Users can choose to see the images if they want the new data saver mode will come to india and indonesia with other countries to follow This goes right now. Yeah, right. Uh, well, you can get the opera Said opera now I'm suddenly blanked on the name, but there's the opera app that will save data on multiple connections on apps as well as browsers So you can just download that and use that it works really well What google's trying to do is say hey use our chrome browser because it'll do a similar thing But just in the chrome browser still very cool Especially like the way that it detects the slow connection blocks the images and says you can either Allow the images to load if you want to see them all or you can just tap on and select individual ones And say I just want to see that one load that one. So it's a really effective content blocker I you know, I thought about that, right? I mean We get into these these arguments sometimes about ad blockers and whether we as a user have a right We're taking money away from news organizations, but The underlying technology is that I should be able to Download only the parts of things that I want. That's how the web is built and that's what this is doing Right when you talk about the opera thing does that run on ios or is that android or uh desktop? Yeah, you can get it for ios I should check that out because I tend to burn data when i'm on travel something fierce and be interesting to see how that could help Yeah, and I you know, I have unlimited data, but it's also that unlimited data from t-mobile that uh throttles down to slow data Opera max is is the name of it. That's I couldn't think of that That second word, but yeah, look for look for opera max Uh, and you can you can actually save a lot of data if you're on a limited data plan It's it's pretty good launched in february 2014. It doesn't get enough press if you have to go check that out cool So there you go Uh, hey sp. Sheridan, you know him Wanted us to note that adobe will change its flash professional cc. That's for creative cloud To be called animate cc starting early next year In fact last night adobe wrote on their blog that the company will quote Encourage content creators to build with new web standards and they mentioned html 5. They're basically telling people Stop using flash Uh adobe will work with microsoft google and facebook to keep existing flash Implementation secure for things like flash games on facebook or or browser implementations But they are definitely making the transition to saying flash is not necessarily the future But what this announcement really is is they changed the name Right. Yeah, and and adobe animate does more than just flash So they're actually shifting the emphasis to say hey, you can animate in all these different technologies including html 5 in this tool Which will also continue to be able to do flash as well But it's it's kind of admitting like you can use it for flash But you probably don't want to so we're you know, we're going to let you animate all kinds of ways So just kind of pushing flash into the background but not not abandoning it yet Yeah flash into the background where it'll eat up your battery and your system resources Yeah, the verge article that you uh pointed to here talks a lot about the reasons why It would be really nice if they did go even further, but that it's a good article Yeah, and I get why they actually need to continue to support The flash that is out there because you don't want to pull the rug out of people and have insecurities and vulnerabilities Yeah, yeah 95 google says motorola will begin taking orders for the moto 360 sport smartwatch on december 18th for customers in the uk and france us buyers can pre-order starting january 7th 2016 or buy at a best buy Because they do still exist on january 10th. The cost is two hundred ninety nine dollars for the fitness centric wearable It's all about durability with this thing. It's like it's sweat resistant There you go I did accidentally wear my apple watch in the shower the other day I forgot about it and it was just fine Yeah, that's good. Yeah, it seems to work. I like on a road test. I still love the sport stuff I still love the fitness stuff I I it drives me nuts the people I hear say oh, I hated that watch. It was always telling me to stand up Yeah, because you're sitting too much. No, it would tell me to stand up while I was standing is what I didn't like about it That's gotten better. I know you abandoned it after about an hour and a half of wearing it A month I gave it a full 30 days Did you okay? I did okay Our aesthetic reports that monday a us federal judge ordered the public release of some details from a national security letter And that's the kind of thing that does not happen This letter was issued by the fbi to calyx internet access In 2004 when nicolas meryl was its president the fbi asked for a target's web browsing history IP addresses of everyone that person corresponded with and records of online purchases Then the fbi dropped the order, but meryl Fought to be able to make it public. It's like look you ordered this stuff. Now. You don't want it You obviously changed your mind I need to be able to make that public and he fought for 11 years for the right to make the details of the order public He was allowed to admit he got an order five years ago And he kept fighting until today when he's been allowed to make the details of the letter public You've got to give this guy tenacity points of nothing else But uh, yeah, that was that was pretty amazing I mean, I don't know what we expected the order to say but that it based it did say absolutely Everything the target had been doing in the everything in the web browser history And IP addresses of everyone they kind of they corresponded with that's That's a lot. This is the fbi just saying we're going to send you a letter You can't tell anyone you got the letter you're going to give us this information about a person Without you know any recourse to appeal and say wait a minute. I'm not sure you've got this right And you can't tell anyone that you gave us the information. So Uh, that's what nicholas meryl was was fighting for the right to say look Okay, if this is going to lead to a conviction great But if you just go around requesting information and changing your mind that is not good policy Yeah, yeah Apotheos submitted a medium post from nick selby noting this is a terrifying story that los angeles city councilwoman Nury martin martinez proposed that the city access a database of license plates captured by cameras in locations known to be Frequented by prostitutes and then send the car owner a letter Explaining the vehicle was seen in an area known for prostitution The los angeles city council voted wednesday to ask the office of the city attorney for their help implementing the plan and uh miss martinez councilwoman martinez said That if you get the letter and you weren't engaged in any illegal behavior no harm done Just throw the letter away But that it might make people who are soliciting think twice about going into those areas. This is just this is so horrifying This is so Oh my gosh, this may be crazy when I read it. So I get that letter Steve opens it sees i've been frequenting a place with prostitutes You know, i'm thinking that opens up some questions at home and you're like no it was ways ways told me to go down that road Exactly. I am driving on a public street. I didn't even slow the car down. I stopped at a stoplight. That was it and then uh, the the author uh, nicks I'll be pointed out that this could become part of public records So you could have your health insurance affected by the fact that it looked like you were maybe where there were prostitutes You know, I mean, I think that's a stretch I doubt that the health authorities would go to that length But it does but the just the fact that it becomes a public record Is is a bit like oh so now everybody can tell where I was driving Uh, I mean it goes back to the issues with hey, we've collected a database of your information I went back and forth on reddit Whether I thought this belonged at a tech show or not because it does seem like more of a public policy story But it is the tech of scanning the license plates and our responsibility with what we do with databases that I still think is a New story in technology. We haven't quite cracked that and this is one of those examples Where we always say like look, it's fine to collect things into a database as long as you use it responsibly I'm not sure this is using it responsibly I And and and she's right just sending you a letter doesn't mean you've done anything wrong And if you haven't done anything wrong don't worry about it, but that's always a bad That's a slippery slope to say well if you're if you're not breaking the law Don't worry about it because there can be misunderstandings like you're saying and who knows what else this information could be used for Once it becomes public record and are we going to start tracking everyone and publishing the routes online because they have license plates It is public like you're out on a public street. So part of me says well, you know what you're when you're out in public You shouldn't expect a whole lot of privacy But this is this is making this is the city making an effort To use a database that was collected for a different purpose, which is to fight crime, right? It's for the police to be able to prove that somebody was where they said they were And then using it for another purpose which is a state simply to discourage crime I suppose but yeah, even even if it didn't do any harm to the people you sent the letter to this Nick also points out that this could really discourage anyone from going to that neighborhood for a legitimate business Sure. Yeah, and that is a very real factor of this neighborhood is a cesspool You know and that's not going to help that neighborhood any for sure Eat everything about it Captain kipper wanted us to mention the uk's ofcom is warning that electrical interference from christmas lights could degrade your Wi-Fi reception of com has released a wi-fi checker app for troubleshooting problematic connections problem is similar to That caused by microwave ovens if you've ever noticed that or cordless phones Even bluetooth sometimes can get in the way of wi-fi in this case the issue arises because most strings of lights have unshielded wiring So they give off more rf Okay, I need to now add to my dts guest checklist. I need to add turn off blinky christmas lights Well, it doesn't blinky or not. It's just well, they said he was they said he's worse because it's constantly. Yeah. Yeah, that's true Yeah, see but it could be even though non blinking ones Could get in the way They said that they they noticed they've got a spike in calls to internet service providers during christmas lights season That's why you need those low power led ones that are you know, I don't know and don't Plug the christmas tree directly into the router anymore Oh, but I wanted on a there are reasons to plug the christmas tree into the router I got that you just gotta keep it a little farther away. That's all it's Ah, yes, so what so tell me what's popular music these days? Oh, you know, I'm a big follower of the music So Spotify named rake with 1.8 billion streams this year and the most streamed artists of 2015 in its annual year in music list According to fortune his album if you're reading this it's too late Attracted 46 million listeners other entries include rihanna as the top female artist with over a billion streams And 57 million listeners and Justin Bieber for most streams in a day with 36 million streams Fortune notes that neither Adele nor taylor swift appeared on the list as both kept their new albums off spotify What do you need Justin for Adele and taylor to stay off spotify? That's what you need He keeps his numbers up. Yeah You know Adele has got a song on spotify. I think I could be wrong about that But I think what she's done is say I'll put my single on there I'm just not putting the whole album there taylor isn't putting any of her music on spotify And so that that's a big win for hotline bling and drake And his dancing with the sweater, which has made me feel better about my own dancing to be honest Thank you drake Bloomberg reports that dongjin ko will take over as president of mobile communications for samsung He replaces jk shin who was head of that group but does remain as president and co-chief executive officer of the electronics business Where he will focus on long-term strategy for samsung co oversaw the nox security feature the samsung pay product This is the first major executive change at samsung since jy lee took over day-to-day operations when his father and samsung chairman lee kahn he had a heart attack last year So yeah jk shin, uh, do you remember the infamous samsung unboxed event in new york? Yeah, the broadway event. That's where we all met most of us met jk shin for the first time in public And only now they're taking him out. Uh, yeah, they're not taking him out because of that I know some people thought that he should be removed after that Perhaps the legging sales. It's hard to it. Yeah, the legging sales is probably at samsung does make changes with their executives regularly It's not unusual for a change to happen. Uh, but jk shin has been in this role for quite a while. So it is it is probably Them saying hey, you know what? Why don't you go over here? You've done some great stuff because he did great stuff with the early days of the samsung galaxy Uh, they want to get his ideas over there and let co take a shot at it because samsung pay, uh, I think the jury's still out on But nox has been very successful okay Hey folks submit your stories to us. Let us know what you'd like us to talk about that los angeles story We would not have talked about had it not been for the sub reddit daily tech news show reddit.com It does have an effect on what we bring to you on the daily tech news show and that is a look at the headlines Now services bringing us stuff yesterday Uh, we wanted some l n l barbecue So we went to door dash and we said bring us some l n l barbecue What you're out of span musubi and we ordered anyway, but we still got some hawaiian barbecue in our house conveniently Postmates google express amazon prime now All trying to bring you what you want faster without you having to leave the house Maybe that's too much convenience. We're going to talk about that. But first allison amazon saved your thanksgiving This was crazy. So steve had an eye grill, uh, which is a device that has a couple of thermometers that you you stick in your turkey And then over bluetooth it talks to your to your uh ios or android device So you don't have to stand over the turkey the whole time and this is the kind of thing you tend to use once a year So he pulls it out and of course the batteries had leaked all over like they always do and so he pulled him out And he got out his you know tooth brush and a nail file and fixed the context and everything put it back in And now the thermometers were working but bluetooth was it takes it all apart again And he pulls it apart and it's got there's a plastic piece broken in it that apparently was holding the bluetooth module The right spot and he tried super glue couldn't get it to work And he's really sad because he's got a 30 pound turkey I don't know why he has a 30 pound turkey. It's it's cooking right? But he just he can't check the temperature yet Right, he's gonna have to go over and look at the thermometer like an animal, right? So that's Who does that? Exactly. So he's sad and you don't want him sad on a day. He's cooking for 11 people. This is not a good day Well, I have to I have to pause you there for a second and say that the charitans are admirable in their commitment to repairing things like this is this is just one example that you're seeing here There's the time I picked I fixed a 15 year old rubber made bucket after I drove over with my car I was really proud of that one. You guys are good. You're gonna get good at that five bucks Yeah, so so he's got this thing. He's really sad about it. So I said to my son Kyle I said, how see if there's someplace open that you could go get him one I mean, I know it's a long shot because it's on Thanksgiving but see what you can do So he goes out and he looks around best buys got him So he calls him up and they say yeah, but we're not open till five o'clock So he's all depressed. So Lindsay our daughter says hey check Amazon Prime now see if that's in your area They deliver really quickly. So he calls or he doesn't call he goes online He finds out Amazon Prime now is available at 10 13 a.m. He clicked by and at 10 28 the doorbell rang 15 minutes someone handed out near the warehouse of the storage area He even got in app. He got a he got a little map showing me the person showing him the person coming out So we're you know, we're having breakfast and he's holding his phone under the table Showing me that this person is driving over. How did they even find an eye grill on a shelf? Even if you had a warehouse and you had 100 things How did you find it put it in a bag with barcode and actually bring it to us in 15 minutes? He was very very happy when it came. Uh, by the way, the service charge That's what deep learning gets you like they predict it They're like we're pretty sure that the Sheridan's are going to leave the batteries in their eye grill It's going to corrode and they're going to need a new one. So make sure you have that ready Because they always do that, right? Uh, people will think the shipping was enormous the shipping was eight dollars Yeah, I mean that that is kind of enormous But do you mind sharing the price of the eye grill? Is that uh, it was around 90 bucks. I think so Okay, so it's a less than 10 percent the cost of the thing And for the convenience of getting it, you know in emergency time Yeah, now they did suggest a nine dollar tip and we were so excited. We I shouldn't say we Kyle went ahead and paid that But I mean it turned from a disaster to a happy a happy cook. He was so excited and he got the agrile two that takes four thermometers now It was yeah, he got the new version, right? Yeah, are you sure he didn't leave the batteries in there on purpose? Might have might have done might have done and Kyle got his christmas shopping done. Boom. All right, there you go Everybody and by the way, $17 to ship for that kind of convenience is not out late Rages you definitely are right to give a big tip for somebody on Thanksgiving bringing something like that in 15 minutes But okay, that brings up my first question of okay. That's great convenience Not everybody can afford that not everybody's going to be able to lay out 90 dollars at the drop of a hat much less an extra throw an extra 17 to make it happen Sure, I don't think example of it. I'm not saying you're rolling in money here. I'm just saying like I got an example of a hundred dollar bill Right, right like like screeching is that an example of a digital divide where it's like Well, sure those of us lucky enough to be able to afford that Are great, but we're going to leave everyone else behind and they're going to have to just do without And if they do is that a big deal like oh, so they don't have a just grill they can they can cook a turkey like we all can Yeah, I mean, I think that I think the 90 dollar device is certainly the the financial divide there that somebody can afford $90 to not walk to the barbecue to look at the temperature of the turkey Right by itself But I I guess the the price of delivery did not sound like something that was a big differentiator to me I mean, you know, it's when I ship something via the post office. It's five six seven eight bucks Right when I ship something I just you know, I sent something over FedEx to if you're sending something heavy It can be a lot more than that even sure sure that's something little So I don't think the price of shipment was too much But you make a good point about tech being too easy I can picture that we're evolving to a state where we don't leave our houses And and for the geek crowd that watches your show that sounds great. Oh, it's awesome You know because we used to have to talk to people on the phone now We don't have to do that anymore if we never have to go to the store I picture here's the thing I like going to the grocery store. Everyone thinks I'm nuts I don't want my groceries delivered because a then sometimes they don't pick the right thing Uh and and b then you have to be home It's more convenient for me to just go to the grocery store when I want and I get that feeling of shopping For something that I actually need versus going to a store and buying stuff that I don't need Out of my system, but everything else. I just want to be sent to me I you know, I don't want to have to go to the dog food store. I don't want to have to go to the hardware store I don't want to have to go to Whatever, you know to get like an organizer like oh I need I needed a bin for Sawyer's food because he's got different food than Django now because she's getting older And I don't want to have to go drive down to the container store and buy it. I just ordered it online You know Steve and I got into a discussion about this and we and we thought about Um Well, we started talking about how do you ever get any kind of physical movement as a result of this? So in my case, I happen to hate grocery shopping. Steve likes it. He thinks it's fine, but I go and I don't Steve's like me He's crazy. Yeah, yeah, but but because he does grocery shopping I go and it takes me like three and a half hours because I I mean I have called him up to four and five times while I'm at the store because I don't know where stuff is You know, um, I don't I don't find it pleasing at all We had web band when it was it was out and I loved it and Steve didn't like it He was glad it folded because he wanted to go back to the store. I know he's a little friend What I have web van, you know, that's a deep cut kids ask your grandparents what web van was But I didn't like it because I could they never had narrow enough shipping times or delivery times for me Oh, okay. We had somebody home at the house all the time. So she got the groceries away too. So that was really handy. Yeah Yeah, exactly Good fruit and vegetables too. So but the the thing we were talking about was would people still get any kind of Any kind of exercise at all So any and Steve's point was well, yeah, people go to the gym. They go running and I said no normal people don't We do a lot of people do but but yeah, look for the first for the anthony Carmonies of the world who hate running and and don't want to do it and maybe aren't as as good about motivating themselves to do it All right, there's some built-in exercise But is it really is that is that the problem is is that margin of exercise of having to go to the store? Going to make the difference if they're the kind of person who doesn't want to go to the you know They're just going to take elevators and escalators and get get somebody to bring their groceries out for them. Anyway I don't know. I I don't shop for anything. I don't like going to the mall. I mean, I'm the perfect geek So I don't like going near people and picking things out I mean when when if Best Buy was closer, I would like that but that's about it But uh, I noticed watching that's that's funny. You say that because that's usually the example of what the internet is killing Like oh if you want technology, it's not like clothing where you have to try it on It's not like produce where you want to pick out your oranges because they don't have spots You know electronics or something you can have shipped but you actually like to go there I think we underestimate how much people do like to go shopping for the things they enjoy And not because there's some practical reason for it just because they like the tactile ability to play with stuff Yeah, yeah, well like you said doing like the hardware store. I love the hardware store I love going at looking at all the weird stuff, especially the the crappy hardware store is not I don't like a big hardware store I like the oh you want the true value Yeah, yeah, exactly the true value the one with the weird guy in the corner who just hangs out there and tells you what you need I can answer everything Yeah, yeah, you bring him apart from under your sink and he starts telling you what you're supposed to do with it If he doesn't know he asked Miguel because Miguel knows between the two of them They have all of human existence covered Exactly no that's I'm that that is my hardware store here And I you know there is something attractive about doing that when you have the time It's when like I just need nails Right, or I just need a particular type of screw The like oh I have to go there and I don't get to hang out and talk with Miguel I'm gonna have to actually turn around and come back home because I need to fix this thing That's the part where it's like I just want it to magically appear But do I need amazon prime now to bring me screws? I think that's overdoing it That probably is but what about a what about a plumbing problem? Uh, what about if you're uh, you know, you give it to me at 15 minutes. Yeah, that's pretty compelling Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying it's always going to be 15 minutes, but even an hour Yeah, it's by the way, they did not promise 15 minutes whatsoever. They they definitely did not but it's Uh, you know plumbing is the kind of thing you always end up going to the hardware store three times Always there's no plumbing project that doesn't involve three times that time. I don't want to do it. Yeah Electrical too because you're like, oh wait, I need to make sure I get this right or I will burn down my house Are we gonna become less and less social as a result of that? What do we go out for? So if we've got the takeout food coming in we got the hardware store. We got the Your social with the delivery people Yeah, as long as they're on time. I'm pretty nice to them I don't I don't feel like that is my biggest fear Because then you can choose when to be social and and I think we will I think we we all be like, oh the internet will keep us from meeting people But it doesn't we always want to meet up with the people we meet online eventually if we like them enough So I what worries me more is will we Will it make it too convenient? for us In this in the sense of buying things we don't need Or wasteful delivery because because it's just one car bringing one thing to me in a box with packaging like It just doesn't seem efficient For anyone but me Yeah, with the urgent one, you're probably right. They say that that delivery on you know general kind of schedules It's a lot more efficient like let's let's like iPhone delivery day There's FedEx trucks all over the nation delivering these these phones if every single person who is getting one went and drove to the store That would be a lot more cars on the road The instant gratification ones though. I mean that that that guy did not stop at anybody else's house. I don't think I wouldn't imagine Yeah, really amazing. He wouldn't have time. Yeah, that's 15 minutes. You That's probably more point-to-point Yeah bioCal by the way through in a wall street journal article from 2014 that I'll have in the show notes as well About amazon patenting anticipatory shipping A method of starting to deliver packages before you click buy Uh because they can tell what things might be ordered by what kinds of people Well, that did we talked about this a little bit in the pre-show is that could get to back to the eye grill That the eye grill is something that was stocked and available at that kind of speed. Yeah, you know I mean just just that simple. Yeah Saying hey, you know what these are the kinds of things people might need on a Thanksgiving morning Let's make sure we have them. You know like cook those those foil cooking pan thing. Yeah, right, you know Potato mashers roasting pans potato mashers That's what the the the basters lots of basters. I bet. Yeah. Yeah basters probably real big You have baster bus shipping for a baster in two hours Hey, if you need you don't want that turkey to be dry Especially 30 pound turkey. Where did you find a 30? I don't think it was his intention How do you accidentally Well, I think he wanted a 26 pound turkey, but they handed him a 30 pound turkey Well, that's like so that's just rounding up. Yeah, that's a that's a gigantic percentage increase All right. Well, let us know what you guys think feedback at daily tech news show com Or even on the subreddit daily tech news show reddit.com tyler Put up a post about this as well In fact, we got an interesting article or a comment from coupatrix on the subreddit Basically pointing out like hey for for gifts giving days like Christmas Batteries getting delivered would be a convenient thing Our pick of the day comes from matt and baltimore, maryland Who wanted to recommend a series of games for ios and android called the room from fireproof games I've played some good fireproof games the series mixes adventure and puzzle gaming with a light touch of eldritch horror It's a ton of fun and great to get the brain juices flowing All three games can be purchased on the ios app store for about 10 bucks And the first two games are available on google play for four bucks This series is by far my favorite mobile game franchise and I suggest you all take a look if you get stuck on any puzzle There's plenty of walkthrough on lines to assist you. So what are you waiting for? Uh, yes. Thank you matt a good puzzle game Uh fireproof does some good puzzle games. So check out the room. In fact, I'm starting to think now This may be the game I played It's got kind of a missed feel to it if I remember right So anyway check it out send your picks to us to feedback at daily tech news show dot com You can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks and I do want to thank matt for calling me lovely contributor I appreciate that well done matt claudia from tropical brazil writes to us Uh complaining about how youtube only promotes professional channels in the good old times when we searched for okay go treadmill dance We would get it and on the suggestion list every tom dick and harry who did a treadmill dance We would get suggestions for other okay go videos parodies imitators other videos with the general theme Maybe other videos done in one shot or something like that I noticed something was wrong when last year I saw youtube rewind and I had never seen or heard of at least half of those I thought youtube algorithm was doing something wrong if I had not come across their most popular videos naturally One year after that and I'm pretty upset with youtube suggestions. It only shows me things from the channels I have recently watched it seldom shows something from a different channel and only from high ranking channels If I stop watching the videos totally disappear from the suggestions even from sites that I subscribe I'm afraid we will never again have a runaway hit like star wars kid or new manuma guy There's absolutely no more space in youtube for the little people only for the proposed only for the sponsored channels ps tom's wife works for youtube. Oh, right. Yeah It's true that my wife does work for youtube Um, so yeah, I interesting. I have always felt that youtube drops the ball on suggestions I don't have the Sentimentality for the heady days of the ok go treadmill suggested videos. I never felt they were good much at all But she's right. I I still see the suggested videos and I'm like puzzled what why there is. Yeah, yeah But I don't know. Maybe I'm just not the time maybe neither one of us claudia are the target market But the idea of a world without a new manuma guy. I know it's chills the blood Rich from lovely cleveland Really enjoyed our discussion on patrick's piece from yesterday's show as a continuation of his thoughts on integrated gpu's While overwatch has been in development for some time Blizzard may have been further put off from an os 10 version because of the more recent changes to the mac product line Specifically the new mac book the new mac book clearly states that for their mainstream laptop apple is always going to prioritize Portability and battery life even if that means a substantial hit to performance Even for integrated gpu's the new mac book has half the core count as the current gen mac book air Further deprecating it's already meager gaming potential Even if the air persists for another product cycle It doesn't make sense for blizzard to develop graphically intense games for an os platform that apple has shown They don't mind moving mainstream performance backward for the sake of hitting a form factor Not saying the trade-off isn't worth it to consumers just that it makes it hard to base a gaming business on Yeah, that's a good point I think a bigger factor would be that the so many of the desktops have integrated gpu's with the 20 and 21 and a half inch There's a 20 and a half inch. Anyway, the littler 4k iMac I thought he made a big point on that, but yeah, you definitely would not do that on the mac book And then carl from gotenberg sweden listened to our conversation on sonos spotify airplay and proprietary systems And just wanted to say particularly to veronica. There's a great sonos hack You can do with the raspberry pi that even works well with the new raspberry pi zero Using some very simple instructions found over at shrankmonster.de And installing node j s with instructions you can get from aidafruit.com You'll be able to connect the raspberry pi to your home network and use it as a kind of gateway between your airplay devices And sonos in effect all your sonos speakers show up as airplay enabled speakers on your device I use this super simple hack to listen to dts while cooking in the kitchen on my sonos speaker So say bye-bye to the proprietary sonos app That is so cool. I wonder if it works when your Christmas lights are blinking. I just yeah, I'm probably not right I just want to tell you carl that is an awesome hack. Thank you for sending it When you said raspberry pi a node j s a lot of people suddenly didn't believe you when you said it was super simple So it's probably more simple than it sounds go check it out folks We'll have the links in the show notes as well And if that is just like no i'm not going to buy raspberry pi. It's just not me You can also do a similar thing with the airport express where you can use that to bridge the gap It's not quite as fully featured as the raspberry pi hack that carl's talking about but It is pretty easy to implement and there's an article about that from mackerel that we'll throw in here too Lots of ways lots of ways to get around it Some of us is going to make it airplay compatible, but you're going to have to buy new hardware. That's my guess Ah, of course you will And that is it for the show. Thank you allison for coming back. It's always great having you on Yeah, a lot of fun. A lot of fun. We should find something to argue about next time. We're getting along Yeah, we were pretty agreeable this time or were we I don't think we were yes. We were no Okay, there we go pod feet.com is the place to go to get no sila cast and You not only on the show but also on your blog have a a really thorough explanation of what was going on with del Yeah, barpushottes did a guest post for me on pod feet.com Link in the show notes where he goes through and explains in really good concise terms. Here's what happened Here's who needs to worry and here's what you can do about it When we have a section we do call security light and the rule is he's allowed to tell us about terrifying things As long as he tells us how to fix those things Like just doom and gloom and you know hide in the corner stuff. Let your hair and fire isn't as much fun as Yeah, this is horrible. But here's how you fix it. So he's got some good concise instructions Points you're right to what you got to do and whether you have to worry about it And yes, you do have to worry about it if you have a del. So it's it's a really great post I really appreciate him giving us that yeah If you were confused by that del certificate story or you've got a del and you're still not sure if you fixed it Definitely check this out pod feet.com. We'll have the direct link in the show notes as well Uh, it's december 1st, which is the day that the patrons start having their Contributions collected by patreon for us. So a special thanks to everybody who's made the show possible Every day we do the show is because of you If you're willing to become one of those people head on over to daily tech news show dot com slash support You don't have to give through patreon either. 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That's 5125932459 catch the show live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m Eastern on alpha geek radio dot com and diamond club dot tv and visit our website daily tech news show dot com Back tomorrow when scott johnson talks about the new adobe products not just flash. We'll talk to you then here's scott now This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this brover boom I just had a great time reading the preliminary Uh responses to our survey ah The first 500 if you will the first 500. Yeah, I Love our patrons. They are so smart. I was like oh good idea. Oh good idea And it's mostly multiple choice. This is just with like two things. They're like If you got anything else to say throw it in here and they're throwing like oh, yeah Incredibly insightful thing my the number of someone one person by the way. I'm sorry. I should give you a title first Uh before I delve into this You forgot to say great show great show It was a really good show Honey, what's this letter from the city? I think that I mean it's just so good Red light district cameras is also pretty good, but honey. What's this letter from the city? Sometimes you just got to have one of those ones that makes you want that's almost a wonderfully beautiful clickbait headline Honey, what's this letter from the city? It's the most wi-fi-less time of the year That's actually good too Don't plug the Christmas tree into the router Although sometimes maybe you need to Just stop using flashes for your own good Honey, what's this letter from the city? The war on Christmas lights Too much convenience Amazon pre-crime Oh, great. That is good Um, okay, so wait. I want to say one more thing which is because I bet there's an answer to this which is um I have been trying for so long to create or think of a To think of a service that will get us a graphically pleasing interface Where we can put all the pics That is grouped by category That looks very nice. It has a link to purchase it And tells you like who did the pic and Pinterest isn't it? And I've not done flip board yet, but I kind of feel like maybe it has to be designed So that's when I saw someone in the in the survey Was like I'd love to see a really great place where I could just like it feels like an I mean it to me It feels like an app it feels like Like it would be such a great app We could I mean we can at the bare minimum we could just list things Right yeah pics page, and that's what we've tried to do. It's not terribly usable though. No Yeah There's there's amazon we could make an amazon store because we do have amazon referral links And so for anything that you can buy through amazon that would work But there are loads of these pics that are not in amazon. They're scripts or they're ios games or whatever So yeah, you want like a pretty picture or a if not a picture then um Then uh like a like a good visual description. It's our logo or something. Well, and and and before that You want the ability to drill in by category? Yeah or by date? Yes, very good point You want a searchable form factor? Um And and I just like there's so much great graphical design Like user experiences now That I feel like that of all of the things we do That is the one that would benefit the most from a little in the in the uh show notes Uh that didn't make the cut but it was about google collections allowing you to do pinteresty type stuff Yeah, yeah, that was the answer on our own show The google collections is a new way of taking your photos and collecting them I don't know that it does what jenny wants to talk about. Yeah. Yeah, it was in our for consideration It was among the 500 links or so that we have every day. Why didn't you see it jane? Tinvec, I think it would be I keep getting google plus notifications for for collections to do not understand collections I forgot you were talking to tinvec directly. Yeah Yeah, I don't actually know Tinvec, I think it would be a separate app, but then we'll link back to our show Um, it it would ideally be accessible from daily technician.com slash picks in whatever way doesn't wear what server It lies on doesn't matter as long as someone who comes to daily technician.com slash picks can go. Oh, that's how I get it right there So not an app Yeah Oh big jen thinks subreddit a subreddit But that doesn't have the graphical interface that I want. It's not the categorization either I want it to be like a shopping experience in a way, but not shopping I want to be like the perfect like No, no, no, I I'm not good at user design. I'm not good at design Ellie's not not happy with this direction. Anyway, a marketplace forum. Yeah It sounds to me like a portal Yeah Like the game portal sounds to me like you just want to redesign the game portal Yeah Kick through the orange hole and then the pick comes out of the blue T2 T2 said it would have a hard time Anything self-made would have a hard time putting in the right tagging and I think he's right I think that's where it lives and dies in its searchability. That's Veronica. Dear Veronica Actually, that's a great question for Veronica Belmont I'm gonna write it in It's got better ideas No, she knows you just can't communicate them and she's so frustrated. I can only speak in node j s Not english I learned to code already because it can communicate So many ideas She just needs to say She I hope she orders a word in the next month or so What if she did her first word on our show? It's so awesome Stay tuned folks. If she does if she does you have to make sure you name the show that whatever word she says A segment and she goes boogers Mama Look, she's already trying to like manipulate things and build things Like her dad manipulating him She's like enough sitting in front of the screen. Oh, that was cute She's at that stage where it's amusing, you know, this kid is so lucky She has an entire record of a small slice of her growing up. Oh, that's right On this show every day That's true So now just put out the call somebody go through and pull out all the clips of ellie. Oh god them Every time every time you should remain somewhat unacknowledged, I think Oh What's a square space gallery, that's uh, it's one of the features of square space Is that is that square space still around I thought you're in trouble, you know, there's a round I have like three sites on square space I better not go away build up because while you were I built sword and laser before they ever sponsored anything I built cord killers after they stopped sponsoring anything And I built tom eri books.com while they were sponsoring some shows So she dropped in a screenshot of his building's marketplace I've you know, we've been talking about so long. I forgot. What is it you want to put into this? So basically, yeah, oh, I see. So it looks like a so looks like a craigslist This looks like a craigslist for like one particular location Yeah Yeah, but look at that. It's got a little picture a little link little description. They posted comments Yeah, so essentially what it is is the pics are pics of the day that we use I would like to take them since we have now two years worth of them and make it a a searchable A better searchable thing than just on our website because I tried to keep putting the pics in every day and it was just like I'd go months without doing them And then I have to put them all in a month at a time and it was like Jenny says not just on our website. She means not in one page Yeah, not in one page a searchable like I do like that tags and stuff Yeah, like Pinterest if Pinterest let you do more things with its interface You can't actually move things around on a Pinterest board, which I think is insane Do you know there's always in in these popular apps? There's always one thing just one thing that you'd think it's so obvious that they would do That other apps do very easily and one would be like An example would be a twitter edit function Or instagram. That's a choice though. I know I know but in an instagram multiple account Feature have no idea why yeah why like why like twitter's multiple account thing is one of the better things that it does It's so easy to manipulate on the app And and then for Pinterest it's the ability to graphically move Your pins around with ease and not just have it be the most recent thing you pinned And the fact that I can't do that and that there's this complicated work around has Literally kept me out of Pinterest this entire time because I like to organize things The twitter edit thing is they're they're just like we don't want people to be able to change what they said And that's that's been a long running Uh debate on public forums Like should you have the ability because some people misuse it and then other times it's like well But it'd be really nice. So I don't have to delete and then have a wiki a wiki background for it Look at past revisions. Well, then it becomes a bigger issue because you have to actually do storage and you have to write code for that It's not a simple edit. No, I know So so what they're saying is the trouble of being able to maintain that it We don't think is worth it What twitter twitter is designed for the same reason it could have more than 140 characters too, right? But they're like no, this is the experience. You can't edit. It's only 140 characters once you post it post Instagram I don't think has an ideological thing about multiple accounts. I think they're just like We don't think it's that important yet. So we haven't prioritized it and probably same thing with pinterest I feel like the what here's what I think is Probably going to make it someday be instagram multiple accounts is when All the people who do social media marketing on instagram now that they're more ad focused are going to be like yo I manage i'm a social media consultant and I manage 16 different instagram accounts Would you like to make my life easier, please? They're already saying that that's not that's that's that's happening And instagram is apparently beta testing multiple accounts. Are they? Yeah Was that on one of the headline shows? Sorry, are you asking me if I listen to the show every day? No, I'm I've I'm already searching for the reason why you didn't hear it because I know you I'm like so obsessed with multiple accounts. It might have been. I know that would have caught your ear So it might have been on the holidays But There is no I don't know about pinterest and slide ability Oh, again just not prioritizing it. David price on the red socks Why don't you like trello for this says alison? Oh trello. Yeah, they were that was that graphic he showed was of chain showed was from trello, but uh T2 t2 and big jim both say no, it's a bad idea, but didn't say why oh, okay looks perfect to me Yeah, the look is well, okay. It looks a little 1990s. Well pinterest looks perfect, too, but It doesn't do what I needed to do. Yeah Yeah, there's that He shouldn't work In my dining room table looks really nice, but it doesn't do much either Oh, I have a trello account. Look at me go Oh, look, you know my first board is it's called automation for tom merit I must have done this with uh with the dorthy dorthy Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is when we were starting that is hilarious By the way, I gave patrick that script And told him if he wanted dorthy's contact info. Let me know. Oh cool. Cool That's why he heard me talk about that script like the ability to just grab headlines. Yeah, it's nice. I love that And all came because you did that long video showing you how you got ready for the show And I watched you go copy paste copy paste copy paste that dorthy can fix that That's uh, the the the thing is I've I've got to figure out how to make that work on my think pad because when I work Use the think pad. It's always like, oh, right. I don't have dorthy script and I can totally do it. I just Either have to take the time myself to figure it out or get a windows dorthy Yeah, I don't think she'll touch windows for you. She likes you but not that much She's not a windows lady, huh? No Can you run unix and a vm on the side? Oh, well will her scripts work in you in no, but she would write them to work Well, she did an apple script though. So maybe not. Yeah, maybe not. That's right. I forgot his apple script One note That would require a whole new computer Why Can you get one note on the mac on everything it's beautiful on the ipad. It's beautiful on the on the mac It's wonderful stuff Yeah, that's true. And you know if you use the um, I know the photos feature looks sort of pinteresty wonder And you can share notes between uh between people The daily technician. I'm sorry your daily the smr podcast guys. That's where they do their show notes So you can do syncing across between people I don't know if it makes a pretty interface though You know Not to switch to another topic But the facebook memories thing has gotten really aggressive with the memories that it is selecting for me and they're not that good Like do I need to remember that three years ago? I took a picture of the denny's middle earth menu because I thought I don't think I do so that machine learning isn't quite working for you You need to go to denny's. I know it it keeps sort of like Giving me these minor moments of my life That I don't need back Do a lot of screenshots so I keep getting those Yeah Oh, I think it's really nice that mark zuckerberg had a baby All right, right. He's taking time off and everything Yes, although can I uh, I'm sorry, but uh larry page also can have babies. Um Stop being such a no what I was gonna say was I was gonna get all up into well Isn't that just the difference between a guy who can just be like, yeah, I'm gonna take two months of paternity leave And poor marisa who's like i'm gonna be back two weeks after my baby But isn't that I I feel in that case that's Mark zuckerberg saying, you know what? I need to do this to show people that it's okay to take time off Like I am a person who is high enough public profile if I take two months off It'll change the conversation whereas I feel in marisa's case that while there is definitely undue pressure on her She also is the kind of person who probably wanted to get back quickly I'm pretty wrong about that, but that's my impression of hers. She's the kind of person who's not happy if she's not at work I don't know for me and I could be totally wrong about that but On on the marisa side, but I feel like mark zuckerberg doing it is is like he's making a point of like no It's okay for people of either sex Well, I'll tell you what the next time a female ceo takes two months off after having a baby It doesn't get yelled at about it. I will agree with you. Well, who's the last one who took time off? Well, that's what that's a good question of a major internet company It's definitely the last one that we all heard about was marisa. Yeah We just don't have a lot of the standard for the lady who's actually actually cranking the baby out I tend to I tend to find Come on, allison. I know you have thoughts Yeah, I do. I took two weeks off when my son was born see Because you thought if you took any more time off No, no because my boss could not be trusted with the salary review money No, and when I told people that worked for me that they went. Oh, yeah So I came and I did the salary reviews and then I went back out again So jen when she when ellie was born she took six months off, but this is the thing and I think jen's case would be more Applicable, I mean, I understand what I understand what tom is saying about like Is that we're trying to change the conversation? But I'm also Of the opinion just realistically. I mean, it's just financially unaffordable to do so For a vast swath of people and yeah, you can change the conversation But until it comes to actual talking of dollars and cents It's all it is is just a nice pr campaign by a very well-off individual Well, you know, I'm I I totally understand But I mean the cynic in me just says hey great It's another really wealthy guy that gets to do what he wants But he's also giving it to everybody like at facebook everybody gets four months That was the that's the part I like with me or see she's with me. She reached out to me That's right or she's like dad. You're embarrassing me You know, my trouble with this is Facebook has some has some very odd ways about a dealing with labor And then sometimes I like baby labor or work Employ a lot of babies Also, my sister-in-law works at facebook Oh god It's uh, I don't know it's a longer discussion that probably doesn't have time Yeah, we actually need to get going because we have to record a different show secretly You didn't hear me. I should go. All right. Thanks everybody. Bye