 Sunny Sharma. Welcome to the show. Thank you. Thank you for having me. It's our pleasure and honor and I'm very grateful that our audience Recommended this yeah, I'm glad you reached out. I Read the comment that you sent Yeah It was great to see that someone Seeing the Bench of awareness analogy that We posted Had also seen the train station analogy that you posted and was like pattern matching. Yeah Funny how things come about I Love that Yeah, and you are very prolific in the space of Creating content around spiritual understanding maturity self-realization non-duality and Also have made good content around empowerment and manifestation So these are totally our core subjects of interest so Beautiful, so let's see where our conversation takes us today. Yeah, exactly I'm curious You carry the simultaneity of Already always Enlightened and free and perfect While simultaneously carrying the There are clearly people that are trapped in a noisy mind that are seeking to heal the confusion and Reunite with the kingdom of God within Do you hold those simultaneously? When you go into interpreting it like that and I feel when I myself try to go into interpreting it like that I just get confused And I and I fail to do so I like to put it this way There's noise and There's the underlying silence so being in touch with the underlying silence Which is not Appearing but which is allowing the noise to appear I would say that is the the the experience and and that's the experience whether or not we acknowledge it So simply the acknowledging knowingly being that Is perhaps what these teachings direct us towards Beautiful. It's a great start so the noise and the underlying silence or Another way to put it is the Silence in the symphony allows the notes to appear Absolutely, and that's why I believe it's so much about What interests you, you know We're too interested in the noise Stimulated by the noise stimulated by what appears and That in that so in that Immersion is a sort of blindness to the to the screen on which it is appearing so one of the things that Sometimes I ask people to to look at and invite them to do is let go of being so Interested in what happens Let go of being so interested in How this one turns out or how the experience of this one turns out because it is in that interest, you know that That's where the concerns arise That's where the the fears or the deep attachments and clinging arises which creates that blindness and That blindness then we experience as suffering and so To some it may sound crazy, especially when you just encounter a teaching like this. It may sound crazy to to to stop Caring so much or being so Interested in the unfolding of how life is going but that is that is a sort of willingness that is required to Acknowledge as you said the the silence and within the symphony, right? That would be between the notes if you're so immersed and interested in the sound Silence is not gonna be anything, you know, it's not even gonna be perceptible Same way like the movie analogy that so many of us are familiar with if we're it's so immersed in the movie You're not going to acknowledge the screen a sort of blindness will happen Right, you know so in order to acknowledge this the already existing screen Which isn't being created or brought about by some sort of effort It requires a certain Letting go of being interested in the images that are appearing on the screen so to really simplify What the Mystic traditions are saying mysticism being defined as Uniting with God or with the absolute The most simple spiritual understanding is to simply recognize the silence the underlying silence in which the notes appear and disappear or in the Screen analogy Just take a look at the device that you're watching this on right now Whether it's your phone Whether it's the computer Monitor the TV whatever device it is Notice that The screen is being modulated right now and that all you have to do is lock the screen or power off the monitor or the TV and What you see is a blank screen and Sometimes some of the coolest things that have ever happened to me period have come from literally sitting in the corner of my living room Doing absolutely nothing and just holding the empty space and I'm looking at these four monitors that are all powered off in the corner of the room To to on the studio set to here with the desktop and I'm just looking at them and just what's arising is like pure ineffable Beauty that is always already present yet. That is rarely ever Truly acknowledged and embodied And I this is a really strong Analogy or another one is the the blank canvas is another great one So we actually keep one for this exact purpose We have them on set So the blank canvas Right where rarely ever You go into an art exhibit to get the gallery What is the same across all of the pieces of art? The fact that they're on a blank canvas or you look at the pages of a book Right what underlies the text all the differentiations in the text all the appearances is the blank paper, yeah Now someone may say, you know, it's okay It's easy to see that on the level of okay when you're looking at something within experience like the blank canvas or The movie screen when you go to the cinema, but like how do I? bring that to my direct experience of You know my actual experience and so the two very very simple ways That I usually because I like simple. I don't like anything that complicates over complicates this so the the first step to it is Learning to take a moment to just acknowledge what is right now. What is appearing? What thought? What emotion what sensation? What image and just acknowledging that not Judging it not interpreting it Not going off into any story-making Not even fighting it not wishing it to be different Not expecting anything out of it But first just acknowledging and once it's been acknowledged For this moment allowing it to be you see this immediately dissolves any sort of contraction any sort of belief any sort of resistance to What is appearing right now whether it be pain or pleasure whether it be the strongest of sensations or the mildest of Sensations you're simply acknowledging what is and you're allowing it to be and Once that step is taken You can then see very very clearly that At the heart of your experience is that which is aware of it And so this is perhaps the the the thing we can be sure of most You know everything else that is appearing Literally the next moment is Very dreamlike it literally becomes dust It nowhere to be found again other than a memory of it, which is also just appearing here now Even these words are just floating into you know, nothingness So the experience what we are aware of is so unsure so unstable so uncertain always just changing But in your conscious experience the thing that you can be very sure of is I am aware and And so once you come to a place where you acknowledge what you are aware of and not battling and not needing it to be any different Then you can Inquire then you can investigate as what am I aware of it, you know So that is that is what that is the question that is the curiosity doesn't even have to be a mental question You know sometimes the inquiry itself people say just becomes a mental asking who am I what am I you know So just this inward curiosity as what am I aware of this? it Immediately takes your attention away from what you are aware of so it immediately takes your attention away from the images on the screen and Automatically you are you are there Standing as that which is aware and so here not associating That which is aware with any thought with any sensation with an idea of what you believe is aware is alive and just being That which is aware acknowledging that I am That is that silence That is the the collapse of objective focus Simply being as you are and allowing that which is to flow to be as it is and So just in the simple way is perhaps the entire Teaching you know at least the practice of it We often love to go so far deeply into the non-dual philosophy and videos and reading and books and we completely neglect what it is simply pointing us to which is this very Collapse of objective focus it's telling you be quiet You know so oftentimes I say that that's like the three main components to the teaching obviously the discussion and the reading and the Conceptual philosophy is a very vital part as well although perhaps the least vital part second being silence and Then third comes the integration right you going through Experience or allowing experience to now Bring to the surface all that is sort of unconsciously believed in all the identifications and and living the implications of Of what you're discovering in the silence perhaps we can say So is it concepts silence integration Something like that. Yeah, sure. Cool discussion philosophy. Yeah. Yeah reading watching Yeah, yep that second direct experiential embodiment is most critical It's what anchors what we're talking about otherwise, they just Remains up here So it creates that subtlety, right? It makes you It makes your identity itself subtler and subtler It makes your ability to also understand these abstract concepts perhaps and Confirm and verify them in your experience. Otherwise that is just giving the mind food more thinking more fancy Ideas, which it hides behind, you know While running away from the silence So one who just dwells in concepts becomes very intellectual in that regard and very knowledgeable about the teaching But as you said, it's it's just that surface noise Settlementation Yeah, I was trying to find this word on the internet and then I realized that We'll likely be turning this into a neologism, right a new word The subtle vacation process Yes, yes, which has been talked about across these mystic traditions for thousands of years, but I really like this sort of new way to word it Subtle vacation is like moving yourself further away from Objects and what appears to be like a physical reality to Recognizing that Reality is completely observer dependent. It's completely consciousness dependent Reality cannot exist without that which is aware of the reality So it's a big shift from the outside To the inside and so that's already a massive Settlementation because you're moving from objects to a subject So a subject itself does not have a form or a shape. That's why it's called form less And so that's already a massive subtle vacation, which is beautiful and then What we further do like we've been talking about is this process of silencing even more even more silencing Recognizing that this subject is actually shared the same Observer Looking through sunny is looking through atlas is looking through the viewers and then becoming more and more comfortable with the shared eternal capital S self and Becoming aware of the infinitude of that and the Emptiness of that and how We can begin sort of seeing this reality as one of endless possibilities So one of the fun analogies we like to use is the food analogy, right if this Reality is a beet salad You know, we came from the chicken soup reality We're going to the steak and potatoes reality You'll never come to the end of all the possibilities of combinations of food to taste experience explore to play and perhaps that the emptiness as you refer to it is what sort of replenishes you to dance within the spontaneous and infinite forms of expression without Losing yourself without once again becoming immersed and blinded, you know life is so sticky in that regard you're you you're Situations your relationships your your work such sticky situations. You're you're always that are always arising and And that's the the food for the mind it loves to you know once again go into the Interpretations the judgments and then it creates this veil whereas Yes, that the the silence is that that ripening factor which further grounds you in that Non-physical identity So that you you are able to go able to go through experience authentically you can say Not identifying Not take not contracting Not limiting yourself to a shape Emptiness is The recharging of the battery And it's also the detoxifying of the vehicle itself as well from its conditioning from its separate personhood So it enables in the most simple example is That everybody is familiar with is what's called the gap or the pause so When you're in the scenario typically Most frequently experienced with family when there's a little bit of a budding of perspectives is that as soon as you take an inhalation and Relax your perspective and needing to force that into the Dynamic you create that pause or that gap you create that emptiness that space and in doing so you create this Reharmonization of the possibility space where it can be more Vibrated frequency wise towards love light unity and away from the separate people arguing Because they don't know themselves as God having a conversation with itself Yeah, it's a very good way to put it and that's why I also say all the time, you know to anybody that You know because when these challenges arise these arguments this friction arises an experience automatically the mind is Resisting it it wishes it was otherwise it and oftentimes we have these ideas that as I'm becoming more aware as I'm becoming more spiritual that you know, it's just I will just flow and no more problems whereas these these situations and these Conversations and these unique challenges arise And these are our greatest opportunities rather than to be resented and resisted See in that moment of argument with your partner perhaps See what what what? Belief what idea what mental position you are so subscribed to What what are you defending? What are you contracting into? What are you trying to prove? you know and This is this is the spiritual practice It's perhaps one of the the greatest spiritual practices at is that life naturally brings us to you You don't even need to go do this. It's just an automatic Arising and it happens just even if you Renounce everything and you're sitting and you're so go, you know life is still gonna happen And so it will even find avenues in that regard and so when those things arise rather than Now going further deeply into that judgment aspect The psychological mind just churning more and more you you have to in that moment acknowledge, you know What it what can I let go of what am I what is coming to the surface right now? And that's that subtle to subtle vacation. We were talking about is that previously let's say You weren't even able to acknowledge, you know, these sorts of Identifications and things that you were bought into in that moment But now you're it's that that deeper eye of awareness That is that you're able to reflect that light upon What you are currently buying into that can be let go of that you can release and almost every single time you do so you You notice yourself as you just said it refreshes that Infinite possibility and you notice how things take a more harmonious turn Although that is not necessarily the goal of this That generally tends to happen So let's say in that argument with your partner if you acknowledge that, you know Because the mind is very good at making you believe that oh, it's just the other person That's incorrect and you know My position is very very true and it makes sense and although it's very logical and easily believed in When you acknowledge that it all it also is just a limited point of view and you're seeing this point of view from the view In which points of view are views arise Then becomes that willingness to ease on that point of view to no longer want to prove its correctness or Defend it and that when that when you lay down the arms when you let go of that Defending and you just ease off now once again that that flow is sort of reignited and It's so in that in that way. It's a beautiful sort of process even we created this incredible reality as One intelligence at play with itself where we can call it like we wrote below catalysts As I said in the law of one that These are our our greatest tool for awakening Yes, so when we gain this certification like we've been talking about We no longer come in as a victim It's a shift from being a contracted victim to being the very creator of the scenario for myself to experience the catalyst To awaken to what it's trying to teach me And then in doing so I recognize that this entire reality is designed to guide us all home exactly Yeah, and that's the the step three right the integration aspect as we discussed earlier obviously conversations like this and then silence allowing yourself to actually marinate in and no concepts and Then this is the integration process, which you don't do it Happens and you must just be willing in that in that regard be willing to step up and and you know, so Sometimes people say then how to bring this willingness forth and I've come to see that it is a direct byproduct of your wanting the truth rather than wanting to be right or or to to have this experience to be Following or pursuing your mental objective you have to want to be to be free of of that and so this willingness This ability to step up and let go arises in likewise proportion and This always reminds me of a quote by Nisargadatta Maharaj. He always says you want reality, but you're afraid of it Yeah, you cling to that which is not real so So that in that in that step three it really tests us, you know in silence we have these great discoveries and and and the understanding begins to develop but then your experience will really Demand that you live the implications of what you're discovering so you may have to take a big risk and perhaps a work project or Act in a totally different manner in in your relationship, whatever this moment is calling for you may have to Pursue something you may be calling to be pursuing something in which everything is on the line And you have no idea how it's gonna work out, right that uncertainty element is gonna be so reignited in life and In that moment like will you embrace uncertainty or will you succumb to it? Will you run away from it? Which is funny though because the uncertainty aspect of Experience is what we crave most, you know the excitement the Unpredictability is what we love most we hate when life becomes structured when when and we even have an expression for it Is that like the life is getting sucked out of it, right? What is getting sucked out of it? It is the unpredictable factor So Once we embrace uncertainty Now it no longer becomes a reason to fear Not knowing is no longer a reason to fear. It's actually Perhaps your greatest excitement because now truly you don't know what's gonna happen and and you you give that control over Realizing that you are not the the sole cause for how things work out in your life you give that control over to life and I've experienced that as one of the most beautiful things because That truly then you're you're removing the structures. You're removing all these Because with the structures go the belief systems and all this mental nonsense on behalf of which we suffer on behalf of which many of our Limiting ideas are our resting, you know, so Truly we love the the the first aspect of it the discussion and philosophy We kind of like the silence aspect of it because it's relaxing but nobody talks about the third which is the difficult part Yet it is perhaps the the the most fulfilling in that regard Which is where the the true conviction really arises When you put everything on the line when you act according to understanding and then you see Obviously the mind can never see from this point of view point in time How this is unfolding and if I'm gonna be okay, but then you continue to see, you know There's something that's just taking care of it all without you wanting without you clinging without you resisting It's still just flowing experiences still just flowing And so that that's the harmonious aspect That start that quality the harm harmonious quality of life that begins to arise Yeah So many great bits there the surrender to faith trust perfection that we already are and the Integration portion which is when your silence really meets the test when the catalyst appears are you So Equanimous and so unable to be triggered That you just Hold the space for the reharmonization of the distortion that approached the field and so you begin acting as God perpetually rebalancing itself towards Harmony away from distortion and ego and conditioning of separation And as you said in this quote as well That you want reality, but you're afraid of it you cling to the unreal and that can vary beautifully also be expressed through this visual which is the very conditioning that we spent Years developing of being a separate finite Biological entity among a bunch of other separate finite biological entities that have no relation whatsoever to each other In a finite physical reality that entire structure is The unreal it is most unreal the separation the finity the Conditioning and when you do nothing And you recognize that emptiness in silence like we've been talking about People Struggle with that because what you see there in that castle is their attachment to the years of their Lattice work developing Yeah That's the hardest thing to let go of it's this Arrogant I already know everything non-humble lattice work That's where this sort of I need to force my point of view because I already know As a separate entity among a bunch of other separate entities I Know and I'm going to force my perspective in given my lattice work of years of study of this specific thing that I already know and The silence Like we saw it just collapses that lattice work to the divine surrender faith truth perfection of Re-cognizing re-identifying oneself as The very source of reality itself This very earnestness to know and be the truth of freedom to be the freedom that you already are and To surrender to the very one intelligence at play with itself that you already are That seems to be the most common late stage part of awakening is Just the divine faithful Surrender to the one intelligence that we already are at play with itself and just knowing that The proper silence will arise as it does The proper integration will arise as it does There will be a proper Settlementation as it comes There will be the replenishing as it comes and it's just ineffably indescribably perfect already and That's sort of what we come to as this realization, which is sort of what I mentioned at the beginning, which is that Kind of hold both of these simultaneously, which is it's already all really is Perfect and free and yet at the same time There seems to be this contracted energy of Not knowing what silence is because we're so attached to what's appearing on the screen to the noises And so then there's the process of this personal master request of how do I Become more aware of the screen itself, how do I become more aware of the silence and what does that enable? How does that enable me to access the truth and the freedom and the perfection and the divinity the kingdom of God? That's already there The one word you use earnestness. I love that word and such in this our god that's a word. Yeah and Yeah, earnestness is that it is that which brings That willingness to let go, you know of your investment in your beliefs your investment in what you know, too But what is familiar we can say it is what? enables you to take that leap of faith and trust not only trust the teaching the words but also trust life to take care of life and it's And you know, I love the the simplicity also of Ramana Maharishi's teaching because you know how we broke it down into three Aspects like the the concepts silence and integration his was just silence and not integration in a way because he used to say that Either inquire or surrender You know, and it's really both either either one you choose you're doing both You know and and that that really is and sometimes we resist the fact that it can be that simple The mind wants to dwell in concepts it wants to continue to just Finds especially in the very beginning when you're encountering this teaching Being aware that you are aware Just doesn't seem enough until you start to really Acknowledge its depth it's its freedom Yes, and then you you and automatically the mind recognizes this that okay, then it can be this simple I can surrender and that's we can that's like the purification of the mind the mind is going from being very very gross Lost in its concepts to becoming more subtler and subtler itself And we we noticed this as the mind becoming quieter and Also just being more willing, you know in that way and it just comes back to silence You know that that is the place that is the place to start and end Yeah Yeah It's fascinating watching the 2020s Roar Into the simultaneous even more Noise even more people on the internet even more people Seeing the attention economy as a big land grab and so becoming attached to Posting to Garner attention in the land grab out of in many ways unworthiness I Will get validation from people with my follower counts and my likes and I By only knowing myself as a separate finite entity Must create a trace Which is impossible because this is all traceless I Must create a trace Through a Wikipedia page and That is going on in the 2020s at the same time the silence and the internal is Happening and it's fascinating watching it unfold where there's this very clear Movement and galvanizing of attention on all the answers are within Shut the fuck up At the same time that there is this Explosion of tick-tock and It's almost like both are Attractors, they're like vortexes Right the inward is its own attractor and vortex of wow I love being the honey itself Muji talks about our Preference to taste the honey rather than be it right and then there's this other attractor Which is the in many ways is like Maya the illusion the intoxication and that This one is also like a vortex because when you get on to the platform Even if it's YouTube or Instagram or Facebook or Twitter Let alone tick-tock, which is the most attention-locking of them all it's a vortex and What's happening is your treating Your attention carelessly Most simply put you get to do whatever you want because you're always already free. That's the beauty of it yet at the same time if you Truly care about what spirituality is or what spiritual understanding is or what silence can bring to your life to undergo the process that Sonny and I have been talking about throughout the basic how Which you let us through a very simple practice of how to become aware of This screen just the very essence of silence itself Creating this pause creating this gap Even Eckhart Tolle has went so far as to say that you are more conscious The more of a gap in the pause that you have So you're less conscious you're more robotic. You're more algorithmic. You're more scripted when you Simply react to a stimulus rather than knowing how to just Observe witness and people to see what is it teaching? Me what is it teaching the others in the scenario the other selves? The this is the It's the perceptual Bantino Missaro has also said that Everything that appears in consciousness is based on Identity if you're identifying as now Versus if you're identifying as a separate person Because if you're identifying as a separate person you have and you have no pause you have no gap What's going to appear in your consciousness is suffering getting triggered anger emotions frustration Versus if you're residing in the Dow as Lot's have said the master resides now If you're residing in it What appears in consciousness is this sort of perpetual honey the perpetual Satellification purification freedom truth surrender divinity and It's up to you. You're free to choose if you want to Reunite with that. I like the honey. I like the honey. I think if we're blessed enough That the teaching has come into our experience Then as you said earlier, then we must be we must care more Where the attention is going Then you actually because otherwise it's just blindedness without knowing you are blinded now as when this teaching arises in your experience Now almost comes with a greater sense of responsibility from the relative choice making that you have Now you must tend to Where your attention is going What keeps our attention hooked is The incessant thinking this which revolves just around craving and resisting It's so true. If you just do a little inventory of your thinking for one day You see how it literally just revolves. It's just all interpretations and judgments on on things you want and things you don't want and as you said earlier in This thinking it's reinforcing the identity of being a certain thing certain somebody Who can want or not want so it keeps that? Blindedness that illusion very very alive and then real and So it goes back to the earlier point that we made one of the greatest freedoms you can give to yourself is To even look at even your own likes and dislikes Preferences and resistances desires and fears with a certain lack of interest Certain detachment it is because there lies our bondage, you know How much we believe our own likes and dislikes preferences and resistances for how much how this experience should unfold For what the world should be for what I want to become for what I should be as soon as we relax those Or relax the belief because they may still arise let them arise Watch them arise become aware of that. Wow, you know become aware of it's an amazing spiritual practice become aware of your own Selfish interests, you know always this craving to manipulate Experience other people see the this inch self-interest to to gain To to want praise to want to avoid pain to avoid anything that may be unpleasant Watch all these things arise within you do nothing of them Simply become aware that they are arising and when you become aware that they are rising then you can you have the capacity to turn away To no longer go with it because previously it was arising and it was just finding expression without any sort of monitoring but now We're blessed that okay, this teaching has arisen an experience It is guiding you towards this trust the words and that because Having faith in the words is perhaps the first step without which you won't even practice And then you see that in your own experience. Yes, you become way more aware all these things that were previously just arising in the background Or weren't even knowingly arising. They were just operating as you as what I am Now they're arising and there's an awareness of them. You're able to watch them. You're not resisting them You're not fighting them. You're not trying to turn them into something more positive. It's just you're watching them arise And in that lies the freedom to turn away and therefore now all these things become weaker and their ability to To reinforce that identity as a certain somebody with a story yet or being here as something Becomes weaker. Therefore you become more and more established in your non physical identity as that which is aware And so you brought it back artfully earlier and there's one teaching of his which Always resonated with me He said, you know as as we're going through this Subtleification as this purification process Be comfortable not knowing what you are When you are observing Be comfortable not attributing A thought or a feeling or a name or a shape or a form to that which is observing Observe as a nothing And be comfortable not being a something Don't itch at any concept. Don't just crave, you know some sort of physical entity physical identity from which you must operate See that all that you note all that all that we what we consider the world what we even believe ourselves to be Is an object within the seeing And when everything you know As life life as we know it all of it Comes in the seeing That is when this deeper curiosity Goes up even more. It's like then what is it that would that what that which is aware as what am I aware? Any object any concept any idea that I can come up with is seen It itself is a thought Perhaps the subtlest of thoughts but as what am I aware of it if this is so subtle so invisible It may not even be a thought it may be like, you know some sort of underlying like Concept or belief but still I am aware of it As what I must I be aware of it That which is subtler than even this subtle thought appearing And so That's the freedom that starts to Become very very real the moment you create a distance between you And your likes and dislikes your preferences and resistances It allows you to create a distance from everything The distance is a very necessary step obviously the integration is then once again co-going within it and You know going through that but the the distance is a very very good first step You create a distance between that which is aware and what it is aware of And not attributing it to an object not attributing it to something Acknowledging that anything knowable cannot be what I am in essence And and that is the the sense of responsibility that I that talk about That arises when when the teaching comes into our experience now be interested in this Because why because you know what else is more interesting? You know people are always afraid of like this may go out of my life. This may go out of my life First of all anything that just goes out of your life wasn't worth protecting anyway And second See what you are waking up to It is much more Of of we can say for a value of interest If we're talking about you know, Nasegur that the Maharaj there's another quote that I love from him He says nothing of value can happen to a mind that knows exactly what it wants For nothing the mind can want is of much value The mind Operates in the realm of the knowable It itself is a knowable So That is the interest which you are diverting now Instead of being so interested in that which is known Be interested in that which is knowing Yes And that is the the ripeness that is the subtlification the purification Purification of what mind not you mind It enhances the mind's ability to reflect that which is without distortion Without making it appear to be something else You know because we're always saying all sorts of things about I am this I am that our eye is dancing all the time Wearing different shapes different masks different costumes And we say like it's our truth, you know, so that's the beautiful part about itself inquiry It takes the simplest statements you take to be true that you don't even consciously think How about but these are your assumptions and it brings all of them into question Yeah, and once once you are interested in this questioning already that is freedom ensuing Questioning your assumptions yields freedom The very process of self inquiry itself will give rise to All of these things that were taken as assumptions Which then creates The gnostic individual The mystic the yogi the one that has united with god because they have Turned inward and through the turn inward the very defocusing on objects And the uniting with that which observes witnesses sees is conscious of is aware of All that is the space That is the emptiness that is abided as with silence And with just the earnestness to see what is What is on the other shore of the obsessive compulsive focusing on objects What is on the other shore? What is on the shore of becoming aware of that which sees? And what is on the other shore is the well of honey That is under the rock as arobindo and the mother said and At the end of the day, there are no shores And And at the end of the day, there are also shores and that's the game is simultaneity. So do you All we're talking about here with spiritual understanding is yielding more freedom Do you feel like you're free? Is your obsession with objects and thoughts and perceptions and sensations and beliefs and your point of view and Being a separate finite entity trying to extract peace and happiness from maya yielding you great freedom Because if the answer to that is no, then all you have to do is turn inward All you have to do is relax become aware of what is That which knows your experience And might it be the same thing that knows the experience of sunny Might it be the same that knows the experience of atlas? Might this be a manifestation of eternity of infinity an appearance cameo a dream And might you be the very source of all possibility Yay It boils down to freedom, baby It boils down to freedom I think one of the best discoveries also to be made in experience is that no experience can bring you that freedom Because no matter how spiritually become no matter how deep you go into non-dual philosophy Some part of you still starts keeps craving experiences, you know You you maybe on the surface level. You're like, yes I no longer believe that the next job or the next vacation can bring me that happiness But something continues to pursue that sort of energy remains has certain momentum and so Going through the experiences that you have been craving for very long Those are your moments of reflection be aware in those moments See how even in those moments The mind is restless and those moments pass That experience also passes and it leaves you in the same craving And this you only have to go through So many times before you you wake up to this some some may never do if you're truly Bringing your if you're truly attentive to experience you very very quickly will see this you know and this will then Facilitate that going inward because you will see that the answer does not lie within experience It is never bringing you that sense of fulfillment that sense of wholeness that sense of that happiness That peacefulness that you seek through objects Yes No object is capable of bringing you this Yep Yep I swear on Sitting and doing nothing Yields more peace and happiness than the most Extravagant luxurious experience I swear on it and it's only deepening it flipped the early parts of my life were The opposite where you could say Maya was higher and awareness was lower and now my life has flipped where awareness The very emptiness brings the peace and happiness and the Maya the experiences are like Yeah, you can go to Mexico or yeah, you like yeah, you can Skydive or jet ski or have a one night stand or Do dmt Like the experience list is endless but know that None of those bring What you seek come all the way in first and then experience What you please because if you want to at that point say Let's go to Thailand then Do that from the place of knowing that you're bringing peace and happiness to Thailand Not that you're going to Thailand to extract peace and happiness. Yeah, yeah And sometimes hearing it is not enough. I know Two three four years ago if I heard it wouldn't have been enough for me So you just have to go through that And and that's perhaps also a very appropriate empowerment phase where you are really bought into no I need this I want this And going through that, you know, so I I always encourage people to go through that if you really believe in that Go through that and experience it for yourself But just do so with a certain level of attentiveness Don't be blinded by experience. Be attentive see if Experiencing exactly what you had wanted to experience if it is bringing you that level of Satisfaction that level of fulfillment not momentarily But even when it passes That's also something to acknowledge that it passes. Yeah, and see if that brings rest You know if that brings that sense of fulfillment And once you really start to acknowledge this then you will know then you will have that different relationship with experience Where you will no longer give it that false reality that belief and you will no longer all these Cravings and resistances that continue to arise Will have less belief then you won't just Let anything find expression Many things that are arising in mind will just be discarded and they will vanish Their vanishing will not make you any lesser Their vanishing will not make your experience your life fall apart you know and so once that Turning inward starts to occur once you Fully acknowledge that yes experience cannot bring me what I want Then as you said as you go inward as you Reconnect with what you are Or become what you or be as you are Then the expression may find its own Then it may dance as as it is programmed to do You know Because oftentimes a fear arises of fear of loss on the spiritual path Whereas the only thing you're losing is delusion If you are if you're if the programming is You're going to be very active and involved and this and that you're going to be all in You know In action with all these people that will continue to find expression But if the programming is being quiet and retracting or or Leaving oh, you know just um living that very simple life then that will be it Ultimately, it will be your enjoyment also So not fearing any loss see that anything worth Anything that you can lose is not worth clinging on to once you really Acknowledge this then just be that open Be open to Anything that comes let it come Anything that goes let it go Once you become this Empty sort of vessel allowing the flow of experience then Not only does this harmony ensue but also Experiences capacity to blind you to further pull you into identification. It ceases. Yes So it's a beautiful aspect of this Whole journey Yeah, I love this point That the bliss from the experience comes and goes and that's a direct Experiential realization as long as you become subtle enough to notice it why right after The one night stand DMT experience traveled to Thailand, etc. Did I come back feeling Sad right when it was done Yeah, why was there a void that needed to be filled again? Versus what is being discussed as this pure aware being? And how could that possibly Be itself An inexhaustible well of bliss and peace How could that be what is called satchit ananda? How is that possible? Let me investigate And upon that earnest investigation The realization is yielded, but it will not yield To those that do not Seek to reunite with it so You are again already always free perfect Unlimited Eternal Yet it remains for you to recognize it That's a beautiful Sufi metaphysic That basically sums up the non dual with the dual in one Only the ignorant seek what is already there yet it remains for you to recognize it Yeah, I often have to have this rule Anytime You begin to Go into a lot of concepts Anytime even let's say we're like we're in a discussion today and Or we've gone off into a lot of Talking and concepts and just coming back to that simplicity once again Acknowledging that I am aware all the words that came in Have gone And even the words that are arising continue to just vanish And become very dreamlike Literally even the beginning of this talk You have to it has a very similar quality to the dream that you had last night You know, it is equally unreal And soon the contents of this moment also will become very very unreal Just a memory but Go to the core of experience I am aware Is very very it's shining forth It's very self-evident And and that's the curiosity to to cultivate as what am I aware? No longer just assuming right because we love to put it an image to it like I this body This thing is aware But no longer just assuming Be aware And investigate as what am I aware? Because anything that you attribute that this is what is aware You will quickly see in in this inquiry that it is a thing which is which you are aware of It is seen it is observed And so you must go through this This curiosity will really help you See clearly that anything that you can cultivate Or that you can create as this is what is aware Anything that the mind can come up with is simply something you're already aware of So as what am I aware of that? Don't battle against the thoughts that are arising it let the mind do what it it does the mind thinks The thoughts are not the problem But you must simply establish your true position as what are you aware of the thinking this And instead of being so interested in the content of the thinking Be interested genuinely And that that's such an important word genuinely not for some gain not for some blissful experience, but The only thing that you can seem to care about is as what am I aware? What is the knower? You know, what knows And it will always bring you back to that utter simplicity it will always bring bring The mind into the heart of awareness gorgeous wrap Thank you It's wonderful talking to you perfect. I would do this Thanks for leading us on those two meditations those two inquiries very profound Very good. Thank you great dialectic super looking forward to continued Creating together sunny. You're powerful. They're so powerful my brother Love you. I'm happy to connect with him. It's so powerful Love it Grateful to our audience for catching the pattern and yes, and it happened very Excited for that person to see that hopefully they're watching already There were a couple and even in the comments from today we had We had gratitude for this live stream thankful for each and every one of universe divide creator unconditionally love you all serving life awareness sunny Yeah The inward and outward honey vortices expanding parabolically at once Perhaps it can't happen any other way. It's so interesting Yep, as what am I aware repeat? Awesome All right, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning in infinite love to you. Thank you Check out the links in the bio below To sonny's youtube channel and also his website. 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