 We could move on to the DOC report on correctional staff. We have three people from corrections starting with the commissioner speaking to us from the Hamlet of Arlington Vermont. So go ahead. Good morning, Senator. By the way, I had a nice conversation through emails with the owner of the facility you're using. I heard that. We have some interesting conversations here, Senator, as you can imagine. Sure. Good morning, everybody. For the record, my name is Jim Baker, the commissioner of corrections. And I have with me Al Cormier, the chief of operations and Heather Simon, who is the director of the office of professional standards. So I guess, Senator, you would like me just to report out on our report that we have filed with the committee on the 30 additional positions. So we did provide you with that report and where we stand as of the filing of the report, and these numbers may be off by one or two. We currently have 73 vacancies in our security staff. Those are the correctional officer ones. Those include the 30 positions that we're talking about that were authorized under Act 7 in 2019. And so taking away those 30 additional positions, we have 43 vacancies in that position of corrections officer one. I think that is probably as good as it's been in the last couple of years. When I got here last year, we were in the high 90s low 100s. So COVID has definitely had an effect on our ability to recruit. We were in early 2020, doing a lot of in-person recruiting with our recruiting and hiring staff that was created just prior to me getting the corrections. That's been cut down now. We are doing some virtual stuff, but we're limited our ability to get out the college campuses and other locations to do in-person recruiting, which was a big part of our strategy. Also, because of COVID, we have run four classes since April and we've hired 84 officers since April. But our classes are more smaller because of COVID social distancing and taking the precautions that we need to take as far as keeping the classroom safe. And we've condensed the class down where we go 17 days straight instead of running it over five weeks. We're getting the majority of what we need in and then some of the other training is done on site at the facilities when the corrections officers get back there. One of the things that I've discovered since I've been here and we're really taking a look at, I know there was a lot of conversation when I first came on in January around our ability to recruit. To be quite honest with you, we don't have a challenge. We don't have a problem of recruiting. Our issue is in retention. So if you look back over the last two years, we've hired 249 corrections officer ones and we lost 116 of those in two years. That's a 54% retention rate. Now, since April, we've hired 84 and 20 we've lost and that's about a 76% retention rate. And why is there a difference in that small window is because we're spending a lot of time focusing on better hires, more focused on retaining people and we're continuing to do that by gathering data right now. I will also say when we lose people in those stages of a year, two years, sometimes it's just not the right fit and it's good for the person and good for us that they move on. But we need to do a better job in retention and we are close to executing our plan of a new hiring process. We have another class that's scheduled to start at this point on November 30th. The way the virus is going right now, I'm hoping we can still have that class and right now we have 13 folks lined up for that class. So we continue to chip away at those vacancy numbers. And after this next class, we will be going to a new hiring plan, which I've talked about at committee testimony prior around doing a better job on backgrounds, hiring process, standardizing the interview process and also building equity fairness and impartiality into that process. We've been working with consultants to help us develop a standard of questioning and evaluation that doesn't allow bias or prejudice to sneak into the system. So that's an overview of the report and I'm certainly willing to answer any questions that members may have. Yes, but I'm sure there's a number of questions. Commissioner, obviously COVID has just in many states, that's made it the correction system, both staff and inmates and in state, not Mississippi, but in state, you have been fairly successful at dealing with it. And I saw statistics from other states, that's something your staff should be proud of and you should be proud of, but I'm curious if the staff is, does the staff hear that? How appreciative we all are, not just this committee, but the commissioner, deputies and et cetera are all appreciative of their efforts. I just need to say that because I think it's important that we get that back to the staff. Yeah, so I- Without those line officers, we could be in real trouble, like other states are. Listen, the security staff is taking the brunt of this because of constant testing, and I don't wanna get ahead of my skis here, but we got some pretty sobering news this morning on testing of the general population overnight and I don't wanna get ahead of my skis here. We have at least two situations, if not three that we're monitoring right now. We had a staff member test positive in St. John'sbury as a result of the mass testing on Monday. It's one of the, it's a staff member. And again, I don't wanna give too much information just to be protective of HIPAA. And the contact tracing leaves me a little concerned. We're monitoring a couple other situations in the state. Look, the increase in the community spread right now is going to impact our facilities. And the staff, you take St. John'sbury, for example, Senator Pio Pointe. This was the third week in a row that they tested and they're probably gonna have to test again because of this positive test. And you know, it's trying on them. And so what I try to do is I make personal phone calls to staff to thank them. And I just yesterday, for example, sent an email, we crafted an email yesterday that went out this morning recognizing the stress and the challenges that the St. John'sbury staff has right now. And we do that as often as we can, but to not acknowledge the fact that staff is frustrated, I wouldn't be candid with you. They're frustrated. It would not hurt for, I guess, representative Eminem's and I on behalf of the Joint Justice Oversight Committee is going to let her thanking the line staff. Brandon, if you could prepare something like that for us. And what I would do with that, Senators, once I get that from you, I will send that out in a statewide message. And the other thing we do- And I'd be happy to hear from any committee members who have things that they'd like added to it. We need to recognize the work that they're doing. They've done incredible work, Senator. This is just, you know, and again, we're gearing, it's all hands on deck again. It's, we're heading back to the preparation, the execution that we were doing in April and May. I'm very concerned about the facilities, the staff and the inmates that we have an obligation to protect. Um, there were pictures, I hate to even bring this up at the same time as you're talking about thanking them. There were pictures on Facebook of corrections officers in garbage bags. Can you comment a little on that? Sure. Whether we were requiring them to wear garbage bags? I think, Senator, that anybody's, that that's a nice, I'm gonna be very candid because you've all known me to be very candid. That's a very catchy term, and it sounds pretty bad, but I think if I shared with you the photographs that I'm more than happy, yes, they are made out of garbage bags, but as the commissioner with an obligation to protect inmates and staff, when I can't get my hands on PPE to protect the staff, and an inmate comes up with an idea and creates a pattern to take garbage bag and create plastic gowns out of them, that's what we had to do. Now, I get a lot of heat, I think you know this. I get a lot of pushback from the union. I mean, it sounds really good when somebody sends a notice to you and or other people saying that staff is required to wear garbage bags. I mean, I don't think that's a, I don't think that's a real honest description of what those are. They are cut and made and produced by the inmates. I've actually talked to the inmates and thanked them for their service. And we have a hospital in Springfield that would love to take as many of those they can get. And we do a lot in the hospital with those so-called garbage bags, and they seem to be fairly happy with them because they're protecting their staff. So, it is, I gotta be candid here, it's a little bit of a sore point with me when somebody describes those as garbage bags. Senator Hooker, did you have a question? I appreciate the creativity. I appreciate the creativity in the coming up of PPE because I know, I think that is probably gonna be a problem again and we need to address that. My question though is, have there been individuals brought back from out of state recently? We have a trip of either nine or 10. Chief Cormier, are you there? Is it 10 that's coming back? Right now we're scheduled to bring nine back next week. Next week, Senator. So, there'll be a test, go ahead. Oh, okay, is this gonna be affected by the new universal ban on transportation ban? All right. They will be tested in Mississippi before they come back. The Mississippi staff and inmates are being tested next week. Have Representative Hooker and then Representative Shaw. And they'll be quarantined when they get back Senator. Thank you. Thank you. Add my appreciation to the chorus. Thank you very much. I am curious if the, if you're still have mandatory overtime requirements and what sort of shifts COs are having to work. Can you talk about that a little bit? The overtime is still mandatory overtime is being forced upon employees to cover shifts. And again, some of it, there's various reasons for it. We had a positive test that say Johnsbury two weeks ago of a staff member when we did the contact tracing 14 staff members had to be put out on quarantine for 14 days. So obviously that's gonna drive the overtime. As we try to get these staffing levels up I'm hoping it's gonna start impacting the overtime. And I talked to staff often personally and I hear the challenges. I've actually heard from some spouses about the challenges of working mandatory overtime. And that goes back that represented it to my comment. The Senator Sears about these folks are under enormous stress right now. We'll try to manage it the best we can. What number of hires will you need to do in order to avoid having, I mean, there's always going to be overtime requests but to kind of get over the hump that you're experiencing now. I think we have to get as close as we can to those 76 vacancies. And we got to get through this COVID challenge. So we don't have staff going out and being quarantined. So the closer we get to the 76 as the population goes down that also plays into our ability to potentially collapse some posts inside facilities as the population goes down. And that should have an impact as well. Today we're at 1,363 folks in our custody to include the 204 that are in Mississippi. And if we bring the nine back, obviously that drops us down to 195. Good news to be below. Representative Schar, then Senator Lyons. Thank you. Commissioner, what does the facility at St. John'sbury look like now? Is that still being used as a quarantine facility? Or have you opened that back up to more normal operations? It's back at normal operations, but right now because of the positive test it's in lockdown. Okay. And so those folks that are coming back where will they be quarantined? They'll be quarantined in Rutland where our standard quarantine for them to come back is quarantine. Thank you. Thanks. Representative, Senator Lyons is next. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you for your work. And I concur with the support that we should send out to all the frontline folks. This is really critical. Is there any concern that we should have regarding the Women's Correctional Facility in Chittenden County? I know Chittenden County's had a huge number recently. And if there's any link with that, you mentioned St. John'sbury, but not other areas. You mean as far as being spoke to? Yeah, well listen, yeah, because what we do is we pay attention to what the reports are around the facility in the community. And so Washington County right now is a challenge. So we watch that stuff all the time as far as what the outbreak is. And so it is a concern. We are watching one situation with an employee there and we should know soon about a test coming back with that employee where that employee stands. All right, thank you. And then one last comment on the garbage bags. It's good enough when we go hiking and it's good enough when we're at sporting events. So it's a creative solution. Well, I appreciate that, Senator. And again, look, I'm not downplaying the fact that we had to make PPE out of garbage bags. I'm simply saying that the describing that we're forcing people to wear garbage bags is not exactly, I'd be more unhappy at some point to share with the community the photographs of the production line with the inmates. And I've talked to those inmates directly and provided them with a little bit of a pizza party to express my appreciation for what they're doing. Thank you for that clarification. Appreciate it. As we get questions about it. I understand, Senator. Constituents. I'm wondering if Mr. Kohlmeyer or Ms. Zimmons have anything to add to the commission report? You're both scheduled to speak. Heather, do you have anything at Allen? Good morning. No, I have nothing to add. Good to see you. Well, maybe you could add a little bit about what's going on in the professional standards effort to upgrade corrections officers and others. With regards to training? Yes. Well, training, as you know, is really challenging right now. So we focus on the core competencies and the competencies that our officers need to get into the facility. Everything else is done remotely. So those 17 days that the commissioner referred to are the basics with regards to security and operations as well as classification, legal, prison rape elimination act, all of the topics with regards to support coordination, employee rights, harassment, misconduct, et cetera. And that schedule is pretty aggressive for the recruits. The staff is reduced to two or three trainers in the building at a time with social distancing six feet or more. They train all day and they're given an hour break in the afternoon right around four o'clock. And then they go again in the evening. And the idea is that there's less foot traffic in the building, less contact with too many instructors. So we work off a core group. We build in one day off for the recruits in that 17 days. I don't know that we've always used it though. We pretty much measure it around fatigue, et cetera. Most of those recruits will stay in town at the hotel and just use that time as rest and for studying. And that's where we're really focusing our training efforts right now. There's been a lot of additional content added with regards to COVID and PPE, et cetera, so that they all know how to use that. Thank you. You're welcome. Good to see you. Al, any particular comments on what's happening? I can just refer to the Senator Alliance question about Chinden and we just got off a meeting with the Department of Health and we are looking at testing Chinden in two weeks. We'll be testing that entire facility because of that concern that the commissioner raised and Springfield facility as well. So we're hoping to do two facilities next week, saying, John, very in Springfield and then Chinden the following week. So we are in discussions of increasing our testing across all of our facilities for our staff because of the concerns in the community right now. Yeah, that does lead one specific question about COVID in Mississippi and the outbreak there and how that's been, is it being resolved? Is it still a large percentage of the community or a large percentage? So right, right. Go ahead Al. Go ahead Al. Go ahead. Right now we have no positive inmates in Mississippi. They've all recovered. We have testing again next week, as the commissioner said, the inmates that are returning are quarantined for two weeks prior to leaving Mississippi and then they'll be quarantined for two weeks when they return. But we've got ongoing testing there, staff testing at that facility is scheduled for next week. But again, we're negative across the board with Vermont. Were there any medical issues that came up as a result? I know some people have heart issues and other issues that come about. Yeah, we had one elderly individual that had some pre-existing conditions that spent a few nights in the emergency room in the hospital. And but he's recovered doing well. We don't have any of our population in the infirmary down there right now. That population has done well with the recovery. Let's just... Senator, the other thing I would add to this is that we now have control of camera systems. We're watching the facility remotely on a regular basis. We can watch that remotely and we have staff watching to make sure that protocols are being followed on a regular basis. And if we see that they're not, the out-of-state unit is on the phone immediately with the folks in Mississippi. So we have that access now that gives us a lot of value and understanding if protocols are being followed or not. That's very helpful. Senator Hooker, you had a question. Just a quick question. Commissioner, what does... You mentioned that the facility in St. John's Barriers and Lockdown, what does that look like for staff? Now, you're gonna be a little better. I think Senator, if you don't mind, I'm gonna talk about that because he could describe it better than me. Okay. So a full lockdown is absolutely no movement whatsoever throughout the inmate population. That requires medication being dispersed in the units, food being dispersed in the units, no movement to any recreational activities, anything like that. So a full lockdown is no movement within the facility. But what does it mean for staff coming in and out? So for staff, it doesn't affect the staff because it's all within the secure perimeter of the facility. So they still need to go to their posts. They still need to check the population. They still need to do their rounds. There's still responsibilities that they have to meet. So the staff are still coming in and out. It just reduces the movement of the inmate population in our efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus. Okay. And is the staff checked daily at each shift? Yep, temperature, well, yeah. So their self-assessment before they come in with temperature check symptoms checks, there's a questionnaire thing that you'd be asked if you went to a doctor's office. Thank you. Thank you. Other questions regarding the corrections issues and particularly the staffing. Been very helpful, appreciate it. And now we have a report on the one-time COVID relief funds from Commissioner Baker and Matt Diaz-Donald. I never pronounced his name right, so Matt. Senator, that's why we refer to him as Matt D. It makes it a lot easier. Thank you. Before we move on to that, I wanna thank all of you for those kind words and support of staff. We'll make sure that that word gets out. And I think the other Senator Hooker's comments about what it looks like for lockdown. You know, I have to give a shout out to the inmates as well. Various times over the last four or five months they've been in various stages of lockdown. And, you know, we had an incident a couple of weeks ago with a corrections doctor who was being assaulted. And eight inmates came, pulled her away from the individual assaulting her and restrained the individual until all their staff got there. And I think it speaks to our staff and the way they interact with inmates. We hear about the bad stuff that happens with staff, but I have to say that that kind of stuff doesn't happen unless inmates feel like they're being valued, respected and treated fairly. And I just wanted to share that because the system doesn't work if the inmates are so stressed that they're restless. And to be locked down like that is not easy, but they accept it, they work with us. And as the commissioner, I'm appreciative of that as well. And just if I could clarify one more thing on the lockdown in St. John'sburg, part of the meeting with VDH, our rapid response team meeting this morning, it was determined that we would go back to a modified lockdown, which allows for more movement. So that's been lifted through as a result of the contact tracing and the efforts inside the facility to again help mitigate the spread of that virus. So Senator, in respect of your time here, I took a little extra time. I think Matt D is on now. And I'm gonna have Matt D talk about the CRF funds from the financial standpoint. And if there's questions on policy, I'll answer those questions for the community. Thank you. Matt, where are you? Good morning, thank you. So the department received two and a half million dollars, as you all know of CARES Act funding for some specific purposes. There were five different allocations of funding. And then this report that we submitted presents at least point in time where we are with these initiatives. If it's helpful, I can go through each one of them and then tell you kind of what the dollars spent or anticipated to be spent are at this point. Okay, perfect, thank you. The report is on our website. People wanna look at it on a different screen. It's called the update on CARES Act funding. Go ahead, Matt. Sure, thank you. Thank you Senator. So the first application is $760,000 for temperature scanners and six full body scanners at the correctional facilities. The status of that right now is that the X-ray body scanner, six of them have been ordered and we're anticipating delivery various points all before it's set up for the course. A lot of work going into setting those up and the staff will need to be trained for the use of those. That will take that entire appropriation of $760,000 as well as some from the next one we're gonna talk about. The total of the machines was approximately a million dollars. That includes some ongoing maintenance costs that wouldn't be paid, wouldn't be able to be paid out of the CARES Act funding, but specific to CARES Act funding about 900,000 will be utilized for those. I don't wanna glance over the temperature scanners. That was something we had talked about. We do have temperature scanners, temporal scanners for field sites for the facilities. We didn't go forward with the original initiative of purchasing basically the temperature scanners that are effectively a kiosk that you'd walk up to. The cost benefit of those wasn't a great one. It still took a lot of staff time. They wouldn't have reduced anything really. We've just been in a cost incurred. So it was decided that what we were doing had previously been working and then not to move forward with those. Of course the body scanners were a little bit more than we had initially anticipated, so. Are they the similar to the ones we get in the hospital or doctor's office when we walk in? They put it up to your forehand. Correct, yes, yes. Okay, thank you. So if there's no questions about the first, we can go into the technology upgrade section, the $700,000, sure. So as I said, about 140,000, 150,000 of that 700 would be used for the remaining balance for the X-ray body scanners. They haven't been paid for yet. They need to be received first. Like I said, they will be in time to do this with the CARES Act funding. We've also started the process, and I should say a lot of this, we have the funding for this and these initiatives are great. The one challenge we have is that bringing technology in is difficult. There's a lot of hurdles to get through. It's not as simple as sometimes just going out and finding what we need and then buying it and then bringing it in. So what's being worked on one of these initiatives is WebEx video conferencing equipment. This would be for inmates to receive evaluations through Department of Mental Health. There's other video conferencing capabilities for these. So some of the funding will be used for those. We also have various remote access equipment needs for staff to be able to function remotely and also for staff who are interacting with the inmates to be able to do that over various technologies remotely. So the anticipated expense from that is about 300,000. So the likelihood is there will be, not the likelihood, we will have funding remaining in this particular allocation. Some of the things we had looked at very early on, unfortunately just aren't quite possible, particularly during the pandemic. Wi-Fi in the facilities, doing the heat mapping that's required to do that requires contractors to come in. It's a large initiative in both in terms of the cost of it as well as the scope of the project, the time it would take and the number of individuals that would have to come in to do this. Just not something that's practical to be done, not safe to be done during this particular time period. It is something that we're looking at for going forward, but unfortunately no CARES Act funding would be able to be utilized for that unless there's some type of time extension on it. But the likelihood is even with time extension, still requires people in the building that may not be practical. We would hopefully there'll be a second round and hopefully there will be the change in some of the federal requirements on the current CARES Act funding. At least that's my hope. Go ahead. Thank you Senator. The third allocation was $363,000. This is for both, this is for community justice centers, 252,000 specifically for direct costs incurred and the remaining 111,000 was to provide additional program capacity for the transitional housing programs that a few of those CJC partners have. We have to date granted about $236,000 to the 18 community justice centers that includes the transitional housing programs. Candidly, I don't know that all of that's going to be spent. It was what was requested, but there are some initiatives that I think similar to what we're seeing, our partners are also having some challenges in terms of timing and the funding. So if we're looking at a December 30th deadline, it's more likely we might be a little bit under 200,000 than over 200,000 in terms of this particular allocation. We've had many, many conversations with the directors from the CJCs and other folks. They've worked tremendously hard on this. I think when we talked previously, there was some concern about the ability for these partners and for the grantees to receive funding. They've looked at every legitimate expense that they could claim as COVID eligible. They've been very creative with those things. They're just simply, it's a combination of time and just not enough expenses to utilize that. So we will probably be somewhere in the hundreds, $150,000 in terms of surplus in that particular allocation. That moves to D, the 350,000. Yes, thank you. So that the $350,000, this was to increase rental housing and supporting program capacity in the community. It was also for increasing, I'm sorry, providing domestic violence and better intervention programs in the community. So talk about the rental housing piece first. There has not been a great ability to increase that. And there's a number of reasons for timing. Timing is probably the primary one here in that the funding goes through December 30th. And many of the increases that have been looked at would require long-term leases that extend well beyond. And because there aren't funds, there aren't specific funds beyond December 30th. There hasn't been an ability for the providers and our partners to necessarily increase very much. We have been able to utilize about 40,000 or we'll be able to utilize about 40,000 of that 200,000 that was estimated. We knew earlier on that this could be a challenge working with the Vermont network against domestic and sexual violence. The second piece of this, the remaining balance which was thought to be around 150,000 actually greater than that for the batter intervention and other initiatives. We've granted with the Vermont network and we actually have from this allocation about $280,000 of the grant is going toward those domestic violence and batter intervention programs. So we weren't able to necessarily increase the rental housing at this particular stage, but we will utilize nearly all of this funding between the two uses that were intended just more so in one than the other. Representative Hooper has a question. Thank you. Understand the challenge of obtaining transitional housing. Did you also, it was some of this funding used for kind of first and last on rent for individuals coming out and set up expenses. So you were creative in how you looked at this. You didn't just look at, how do we lease up space that can be used? That's correct Representative Hooper, yes. And that's $40,000 I spoke to, thank you. So that's first and last. They're just, the 40,000 will be utilized for the first and last month. We just don't, there needs to be eligible individuals to utilize those funds for. And the number is right around where it typically would be for a fiscal year. We had, I think when the numbers were estimated early on, the thought was that there may be an increase in the number of individuals that would be looking for those funds. And it's been fairly steady the last several months. I, in the hope that there'll be additional funds and more flexibility in how they're spent, perhaps one of the things that we can think about with CRF money is also how you put services, or either through the CJCs or other kind of local partners or literally one-on-one on folks who are coming out. So maybe the department can consider a different, your challenge is always who is appropriate to release. And so a way of managing that could be also how you put additional services around people on the outside so you can move more folks out just going forward. Thank you. Representative, we have a working group going right now looking at housing and looking for what I refer to as that next generation of housing around folks that are challenged with mental health issues and or substance abuse issues. So we get away from arrangements where reusing causes you to lose your housing. So we have a group looking at that now to identify what that housing should look like. Thank you. That's great to hear and Senator Sears, if I can continue rather than raising my hand at another spot. I look forward to understanding how DOC can broadly support the partners in the community who are doing this work. I was asking my CJC about kind of what's been going on with them from a funding standpoint and I'm told that their transitional grant funding has not been increased since I think they said FY15. And the resources that the base grants to the CJCs have been similarly held very static. I'm seeing just over a five, six year period very minimal increases. And if we're serious about having a community partnership then we need to provide those services to the community to be able to help with the partnership. So I hope you'll be sending us a budget that looks at how we do that. But I appreciate that representative but it takes money for us to do that too. So, and I think that's part of the conversation about the reinvestment piece, right? About the holistic look. And I think Matt's gonna get to either the next expenditure I believe talking about the work that we're doing with the National Network for Safe Communities where we'll start engaging those partners to include the CJCs in a more holistic approach to how we're gonna manage that. And I think as part of reinvestment too, your point is well taken and I think that's where some of the reinvestment needs to occur occur. Okay, moving right along. Matt, are you ready on the kind of discuss the network? We did and yes, there's this final allocation that that entire $327,000 has been granted to the network for both the needs for the domestic violence offender accountability programs across the state as well as for funding that will go to them contracted, the network contracting to support incarcerated women being released from Chittenden and secure stable housing and ensure immediate needs are met clothing, food, et cetera. Finally, up to 600,000 were necessary changes in community supervision. Yes, and these are the funds that the commissioner Baker was just speaking about that we're contracting with the National Network of Safe Communities to begin an intimate partner violence intervention program focused deterrence as we've called it. The CARES Act funding for this sets us up for qualitative and quantitative analysis at the early stages for the National Network to come in and basically set up a framework for this. What the CARES Act funding doesn't do is the work beyond that. So the framework gets built with these funds and unless there's an extension or some additional funding that can be used utilized for this purpose, this is where we moving forward two to three year initiative likely there aren't necessarily base funds for these for this initiative. And then the thought is that with the justice reinvestment monies that this would be an important tie until a lot of the other work that's being done. I'm sure the commissioner's already spoken to and then can speak more to planning for that. Good. Questions, comments? Great. I think what we're gonna do is thank you all very much. And knowing the committee has to get back together at 1230 for a meeting on Woodside or what to do when obviously it's closed. The future of the Linquents and youth who are under DLC and how we're gonna deal with them under DCF and DLC. We have a number of witnesses scheduled. So if everybody can be back at 1230 and if you would instruct us Peggy how to say goodbye early. Yep. If everyone could just mute themselves and shut their video off. I'll put the break sign up and then we'll come back at 1230. That worked. Any final comments from anybody? Thanks very much. Thank you. Thank you folks.