 de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde las últimas horas de la pandemia. En el país, el país está en un estado de la guerra. Las familias son completamente bajadas en sus bares. No tenemos ni idea de lo que está pasando. Los soldados están peleando en la línea de la frontera. Pero la percepción general es algo que debe ser tomado. Nios 24 en español trae el análisis y la información de los acontecimientos de la guerra, espadas de hierro. Entrevistas exclusivas reportes desde la zona de guerra. La reacción de los países hispanoparlantes. Nios 24, el único medio en español que te mantiene informado y conectado con la comunidad latina en Israel. Nios 24, únicamente en I24 News. Bienvenidos a este programa especial en I24 News. Soy Kaleb Bindavid. Es el día 39 de la guerra contra el Hamas. Ahora vamos a ir a nuestro correspondiente en la frontera norte de la frontera con Lebanon o Pistecobach. Ha sido, de nuevo, exchanges de fuego de la frontera. Incluso la principal acción es todavía en el sur. Un poco de preocupación sobre la escalación posible en el norte. Right, Kaleb. Durante el día hemos visto un número de acciones de la frontera de la frontera. Hemos hablado sobre la frontera con la frontera de la frontera. De la frontera, estamos hablando sobre morder, chelón y motos para entries de la frontera. En las localidades de Mar-Galeyot, Metulla y la parte de la rosa y, también la frontera de la frontera de la visión de la arama que es más hacia el lado West de la frontera. Así que, también durante recentes semanas, estamos hablando de los encargos de la frontera en Israel, el civil de Israel fue asesinado por un fuego anti-tank. También antes de hoy, la IDF dice que un objeto suspicioso fue asesinado por el acero, por las puertas. No se atrevería ninguna alerta, pero eso realmente da la impresión de cómo en estos días la escena noroja parece muy tensión, muy tensión y una frontera de voluntad también. Hoy, Benny Gantz ha traído a la comunidad en el norte de la ciudad de Kiryat Shmone y Metula, que es una comunidad que está en el borde con Lebanon, Benny Gantz, el ministro de Defensa y el miembro de la cadena de la guerra. Y dice que también en la frontera del norte, las personas no tendrán que volver a la realidad que fue aquí antes de octubre 7 de octubre. Por supuesto, referiendo a las consensas de la seguridad de la residencia, hablando de muchas comunidades que han sido evacuadas, y muchas personas que sabemos que se senten a regresar a sus hogares después del final de esta guerra. Porque pensé que, por supuesto, el estrés de Hisbala existía en el otro lado del borde, fue ahí antes de esta guerra, y quizás también estará ahí después. Y también hemos escuchado el ministro de Defensa, Yolfe Galán, adreciendo la situación aquí en el norte, clarificando que la residencia del norte no es más importante que la residencia del sur, pero no hay un plan que ha puesto adelante, pero en términos de un posible solucionario militar, un offensive militar, en términos de cómo el estrés de Hisbala estará tratado con. Eso no es muy claro en este momento. Allá, Pia Stakobach, ahí en el borde norte. Gracias, Pia. Y quiero just jump over now to the US, Washington DC, at the big rally there in the capital there on the capital mall. Estimates now that over 200,000 people have gathered in Washington DC. We will be bringing you parts of that rally as it continues. Now, in the early days of the war, the European Commission lit up its landmark building with the blue and white of the Israeli flag, but even then there was quiet descent in Brussels. Now, naturally, that descent to Israel's operation in Gaza has grown. But as our senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Altman explains, Israel retains strong support from key players in Europe, especially Germany. For Israel, the word from Brussels is tempered with the 27 European Union member states clawing their way in recent days to a careful compromise on the Gaza war. We ask for an immediate poses. I'm saying that in plural, but it is an objective, is immediate poses and humanitarian corridors. That focus on humanitarian pauses is a kind of center of gravity that positions the EU in line with the Biden administration that tackles the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip. And most important that balances between Israel's supporters and critics in Europe. I understand the impulse for a ceasefire, but impulses are not enough to help people to really guarantee security and peace. It is unacceptable that Hamas should again have the opportunity to reestablish itself, gather weapons and attack Israel. And so Germany leads the camp in Europe against calling for a full on ceasefire, another testament to the special relationship between a post Holocaust Germany and Israel, now pitting Berlin against Paris in the wake of French president Emmanuel Macron's fiery interview last week with the BBC. So the two European powers are divided with Austria and Hungary and Belgium and Ireland, also again taking different tax on Israel. As long as Israel keeps the support from a core camp, the European Union as a whole will not call for a ceasefire, although the tone from Brussels could change. And joining us in studio, we still have our senior diplomatic correspondent, Owen Altman. And we're pleased to also host the ambassador, Stefan Zeiberty, German ambassador to Israel. Mr. Ambassador, thank you for joining us. Let's talk about Germany's position. As Owen made clear in that report, I think among, certainly among Western Europe, strongest support for Israel. Chancellor Schultz, even today, making a tweet, a very strong tweet in support of Israel on the issue of the hostages, but maybe go into a little more detail on Germany's position on the current conflict. Well, it all goes back to October 7th, something unprecedented, unspeakably brutal happened. The terroristic attack against Otef Azar. And from there stems the right of Israel to defend itself. And that doesn't only mean self-defense, it also means making sure that no such terroristic attack can ever happen again, that Hamas must not be in a situation to repeat this. So that means the war aim of Israel, which we share, is the elimination of Hamas as a military or political force en Gaza, and that's what this war is about. Right. Now, one word that the the chancellor did not use in his tweet today, I noticed, was ceasefire. He did speak about humanitarian pauses and concern for also civilians in Gaza. So how does that square also with Germany's backing of the military aims put out by Israel in this conflict? Well, our concern, obviously, this is a war being conducted in a very densely populated area with two million people crammed into relatively little space. So it creates horrible conditions for the people living in Gaza. And we see that very clearly. It does not take anything away from the right of Israel to defend itself. We are constantly assured by the Israelis, by the IDF, that they take every precaution to fight this war according to the rules of humanitarian law, international humanitarian law. And as partners and friends of Israel, I think we must, first of all, yes, trust our Israeli friends that they do this. But also, when it doesn't seem to work quite that well, we have to tell them and we have to speak to them. The situation around the hospitals is very difficult. Hospitals, according to the national humanitarian law, cannot be a military aim or a military target. But when they are misused, when they are abused by Hamas as underground headquarters or where hostages are being held, or where hostages are being held, exactly, we saw the pictures yesterday coming out of this one hospital. The name I cannot quite remember now, where, quite obviously, the hospital, where quite obviously hostages had been held. So this is what Hamas does. It makes use of these very civilian places to conduct their evil business. And yet, we are in constant conversation with the Israelis about doing everything to spare civilian lives. Right. Now, Germany has its national position, but it is part of, of course, the European community. And the larger constellation, I would say, of Western, the Western Alliance of Nations, our foreign minister, Ali Kohn, yesterday, said he estimates maybe a diplomatic window of even another two or three weeks, speaking about that larger community where there might be pressure put on Israel. For example, for a ceasefire. How do you assess Germany's in its dialogue with its other members, especially in the European community? We've heard different voices, for example, coming out of Paris for one thing. I wouldn't want to give any timeline. I think this would be very wrong for us to say, OK, we can only be with you if this takes X days. This is wrong. Israel is conducting this war. The war is the elimination of Hamas in Gaza. I think this is also to the benefit of the people of Gaza. The Palestinians must be freed from Hamas. I think this is something we can share. So I can't give you a timetable. This is not unusual in Europe. The 27 member states do not exactly always sing from the same song sheet, but we share the overarching goal and this is to stand by Israel and to make our support and our solidarity with Israel a substantial and sustained one and also a practical one. Yes, we may disagree about wording here and nuances there, but I think Europe stands with Israel. There can be no doubt about that. All right, now Israeli officials are reluctant to talk about the day after while it is still the day of. But I presume those discussions are going on both among in York, the leaders of your country and of course Europe as well, which may well have a key role in what comes in the day after. Can you give us an idea maybe of the thinking? Well, I think it's important to start at least thinking and discussing the day after, because it would be far too late if you start doing that when the war has been decided anywhere. So, yes, we and I'm sure the Americans and all other friends and partners of Israel take part in this conversation with our Israeli partners, our foreign minister said the other day when she was here on the weekend, she said there are certain things that must not happen. I think this is also in line with what the Israeli government thinks. We must not see a solution for Gaza that goes over the heads of the Palestinians. We must not see a reoccupation of Gaza. And we hear that the prime minister also rules that out. He says, we do not want to go back and stay in Gaza. And and we must not see a reduction of the territory of Gaza. Those those three things. But of course, that leaves an awful lot to still be solved and to still be discussed. But I think these are three basic rules upon which we can build. It's quite clear that this is something that will have to be a multinational effort, probably it will have to be with the assistance of the more moderate Arab states. I think this is very important. That's why it's important to also keep them on board. Yeah. Now, could I ask about the situation within Germany itself? We have seen a surge of anti-Semitism. We should say throughout much of the world, certainly much of Europe, even in the United States. And there has been in Germany incidents ranging from this Austin attack on a synagogue in Berlin. Some of the marches that we've seen, which are some degree pro-Palestinian, but also has to be said elements that are anti-Israel to the point of being anti-Semitic or pro Hamas. Well, I think in a free society like Germany, it must be OK to have a pro-Palestinian demonstration and it will always be OK. What will never be OK? What cannot be OK is to have a demonstration in sympathy with Hamas or demonstration that denies what happened on October 7th or a demonstration that says from the river to the sea, basically meaning that there can be no Israel. Anyone denying the right of existence of the state of Israel will have German politics and German law against him. I think the majority of Germans, the vast majority of Germans are on the side of Israel on this one, but there are shocking and to me very painful incidents of demonstrations where people wave caliphate ISIS flags and where they where they chant these things that I just told you. I think we have to be very strict about this. We have to take a very firm stance also in terms of, you know, using the law against this. It's something that you need to deal with by the law, but it's also something that every citizen is called upon to stand up against. Every citizen should say, OK, you can criticize the Israeli government. You can criticize the the Israeli politics on the Palestinian conflict and the German government has often been very critical of that, but you cannot deny the right of existence and you cannot overlook what happened on October 7th. And I think these are things that we all have to deal with. We have a big job to do also in Germany, in Europe, in the United States to deal with this. And lastly, you put out on your social media a foto of your putting out of doing some agricultural volunteering with the many Israelis doing agricultural work down south. How did you enjoy that? And why did you decide to to join in that effort? This is well, very simply, I did it because I knew that the need was there. These farmers have they have no Thai workers left. They have no Palestinian workers left. And yet, you know, the clementines and the tomatoes need to be picked. It is a very economically, it's a very difficult situation for them on top of everything else. So with a couple of us, you see the picture, a couple of colleagues, a couple of friends, we went down there and went to Moshevyesha. Yeah, it was a very fulfilling day. So it's it's it was wonderful to see the other volunteers. It's something I will repeat, maybe not every weekend, but I will certainly go back. And it's it's it was very fulfilling and it was wonderful to speak to the farmer and to to have this impression that at least we could help him with a couple of hours worth of work. All right, I hope we got to take some of those tomatoes home. They're very excellent. They're excellent. I can I can show you of that. Also the clementines ambassador, Stefan Ziebert. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. 24. Let's jump to the idea of Spokesperson Daniel Hagar, giving his briefing. We must not be complacent. We use the alert whenever there is a fear for possible threat on civilians. It is important to wait after you hear this siren. According to following the instructions of the Home Front Command, please do so following instructions saves lives. So far, we've informed the families of 366 IDF troops who were killed in action while defending Israel. Their heroism pulls us forward to reach further achievements in this war. We will continue to be with their families and we commiserate with them. Questions, please, sir. Can you confirm that the abducted soldiers are not included in the deal that's being formulated by only civilians? Another question. Do we Israel have indications regarding hostages that were harmed by a friendly fire? As for the issue of the hostages, I've emphasized this and I reiterate we will make every possible effort operational, intel, civilian, what you call negotiations or a deal or an agreement. We will make every possible effort in order to bring our hostages back home. This is a topmost priority for us and we will do everything we can. I'm not going to get into details in the media. And I also suggest that you wait once we know we will first inform the families and then we will inform the general population through the media. Sir, we have indications regarding the fact that some of our do we have indications that Israeli hostages were harmed by IDF fire in Gaza. We are monitoring what's happening in the Gaza Strip. We have intel monitoring, which is ever improving regarding the situation of the hostages. It happens through our headquarters led by Major General Nitzel Alon. We are establishing a full picture and this is how we reach our decisions. This is how we decided to rescue the soldier. And we are reaching such decisions every day in our situation estimate. On a daily basis, we reach these decisions based on our situation estimate. Therefore, I will not get into any specifics. All I can talk about is facts and actions. And that's Greenberg from Khan 11. Is the IDF interested in expanding the ground maneuver to the south of the Gaza Strip? And another question. Did the IDF kill the commander of the northern section of Hamas? As for the issue of the targeting of the supreme command of Hamas, we are all on top of this, the Air Force, the general staff and the Shin Bet. This is what we've been doing since the beginning of the operation regarding every terrorist regarding every identification. And once we have details, we will inform the public. We will speak in actions, not in words and not in doubts in action. And that's what we're constantly doing 24 7 regarding every terrorist until the very last one, definitely those who participated in the October 7 massacre, o los who were responsible for its planning. As for your first question, what was it? As for the southern part of the Gaza Strip, I'd like to clarify this point, the mission we received by the government, from the government, is to dismantle Hamas. In order to dismantle Hamas, we need to act throughout the Gaza Strip. And therefore, we will act in every place in the Gaza Strip in order to dismantle Hamas from the air, from the sea and from the ground. En Monte Castel, from Channel 14, you showed yesterday that some of the hostages were held at the Rentece Hospital. You yourself were there. Did you take into account that they were taken south through the humanitarian quarters and what did you do in order to prevent that and perhaps could you comment on when you think that these hostages were transferred south. Another question with your permission. 300 litres of diesel oil were brought in near the Shefa Hospital. And the IDF learned that Hamas had prevented them from receiving this diesel oil. And my question is actually very specific. What happened with these 300 litres? Are they still there? Are the IDF soldiers guarding them or the Red Cross? What happened with that fuel? OK, let's begin with the significant question. Regarding the Rentece Hospital, I've talked about it yesterday and I was there myself. I saw these things with my very own eyes. And after all, I am a cautious person. There were signs testing to the fact that there were hostages there. I saw it with my own eyes and things will be taken for forensic identification in order to verify and corroborate these this with actual facts. Scientific facts and the environment looks. I mean, there were telltale signs indicating that hostages were held there, but we need to fully confirm this. This also relies on the intel we had. That hostages were kept at the hospital. And yet we are verifying and cross checking all the details in order to inform the population, the public. We were in that hospital. There was some movement perhaps. I mean, assuming that the hostages were there, perhaps they were evacuated during that move south. Maybe they were taken even before that by the terrorists. Assuming that they were there, we are still formulating our full intel picture. But based on what I saw, there were a lot. There were storage there for a lot of weapons and munitions. And whenever we decide on our combat operations, we are also taking into consideration the fact that we're not risking our hostages. That's a very important part. So we're going to continue with our operations and with our intel gathering in order to make sure that we that we can bring our hostages safely home and even if they have moved south or even if they're in the north, wherever they are, wherever they are, I'm not that certain that they've been moved south of wherever they are. We're not going to discuss this here because this is operational intelligence. So wherever the hostages are in the Gaza Strip, it's our top most priority. As for the diesel oil, we are in dialogue with the hospital. We understand that there's a shortage there in the generators for the incubators that serve the NICU. We offered giving them fuel. We even gave them jericans filled with fuel in an area that is dominated by the IDF. So nobody can grab this equipment. This area is completely under IDF control. The hospital was supposed to send an ambulance to take that fuel. They didn't do so. And we assess that it's because Hamas told them not to do so. If they choose to take these canisters with a fuel, they'll send an ambulance and because and these will be used for the generators which serve the most significant facilities of the hospital. All right. This was the nightly briefing a little later than usual. A ver, Admiral Daniel Hogari, the idea of spokesperson earlier in the evening. We heard the defense minister, Joe Galant, give a briefing. A lot of it focused on the issue of the hostages. There is a report out from Khan Israel, which is, of course, the Israeli television citing sources. Now, we should say the so-called war cabinet is meeting this evening. And according to some sources citing on Israeli television, one of the things they're discussing is a potential hostage deal. One of these are supposedly a children for children deal is being examined, which says Israeli children kidnapped to Gaza will be released in exchange for Palestinian children and youngsters in prison in Israel. Owen, children or for children, or young children and youngsters for children and youngsters. One complication there is, of course, if we're talking about youngsters under 18, you're talking about some of those youngsters in Israeli jails or Palestinians that have committed terrorist acts. Yeah, it could be a 17-year-old terrorist. I remember the Palestinians have played this game saying the IDF kills children in the past, when in fact, it turns out, these were children who were essentially teenagers who were in the hostilities, who were participating in hostilities, who were essentially combatants. So obviously we have to get more information. The leaks are all over the place in Israeli media in the potential buildup to this deal. But I wonder, Khaled, if the better move for Israel would actually children in exchange for the elderly, right? The elderly in Israeli prisons, right? Who are towards the end, let's say, of their terrorist careers, rather than in principle, in theory, again, we have to understand more of the details here. A 17-year-old terrorist who has a long life of terrorism committing before him. Of course, we want to bring the children home and all the hostages home from Gaza. And again, we don't know all the details of this deal, to say the least, and there may well be hardship cases, right? Much younger Palestinian children in IDFs, in Israeli prisons who have different stories. So we obviously should keep an open mind. But again, we have to understand more about who these children are. Let's be cautious here, nothing official here, these are supposed leaks. And I guess it's one of the ideas being floated. Owen Altman, stay with us. And I guess the view is to stay with us. We are going out for about a three-minute break, but we'll have lots more on this special broadcast on I-24 News, Israel at War against Hamas. First, as our soldiers are fighting on the front line, but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. Welcome back to this special broadcast on I-24 News, Day 39 of Israel's war against Hamas. We were just discussing the issue of the hostages reports out of Israeli media discussions about a possible deal could involve exchanging the minors being held in Gaza for those being held in Israeli prisons. None of this confirmed, of course. Of course, one big issue for Israel has been the inability of international aid agencies such as the Red Cross or Red Crescent to at least visit the hostages or gain any proof of life of them or see to their health. Now, Israel is a minister of foreign affairs, Ali Kohn, together with the families of hostages held captive in Gaza. Hoy, went to Geneva, Switzerland, to meet with the heads of the International Red Cross and the Red Crescent movement and demanded that its workers in the Gaza Strip visit the Hamas hostages. Here's some of what Kohn had to say there in Geneva. The immediate release, we are fighting for the state of Israel. But also fighting for the human dignity. I'm telling you clearly. If you will not win, you will be the next. The Islamic Jihad don't do this. The international community should say clearly. Free Gaza from Hamas. And still with us. When all the men, of course, when I did speak with the spokesperson for the Red Cross here in Israel, pressed on why there does not seem to be a greater effort or just demands from the Red Cross to visit to those hostages in Gaza. And this is, of course, a sore point at a time when the Red Cross is also trying is criticizing Israel for the humanitarian situation in the Gaza Strip. Yeah, we've seen the ICRC come out and say that, Clef. Look, nobody has any illusions that a representative of the Red Cross is actually going to take the staircase or whatever down into the tunnels of Gaza and meet with the hostages. But again, this is a way of presenting Israel's very, very clear case about this war crime of taking the hostages and denying them those visits with the Red Cross. So el Econ going to Switzerland to make that point. As far as I know, the Red Cross has not commented on the meeting, which says a lot. I'm not sure mentioning the Europe is next point was the best move in that room and the rest read of that room. But certainly dramatizing the issue of the hostages is. And as we said a few moments ago, if nothing else, this issue of the hostages and the abuse of them and their return and the demand for their return has been the strongest part of Israel's diplomacy since October 7th. No government can disagree with it, can dispute it. And we've heard it repeated in every statement. We can remember from foreign ministers, prime ministers and presidents. And there we have el ECO and at least getting that meeting with the ICRC head in Geneva. And whether we should also mention meeting Dr. Tedros of the covid pandemic fame, the head of the WHO, the World Health Organization, is right. And there's some criticism or at least the role of the WHO in terms of those hospitals in Gaza was highlighted by the visit by the video showing Daniel Higari in the basement of the Rantese Hospital, showing a World Health Organization. Equipment down there being used. It would appear to have been to have been treating some of the hostages, especially the young hostages there. Right. Obviamente Israel, not happy with the statements coming out of the World Health Organization to say the least. Obviamente, the sensitive situation. Israel does need to be monitored and it's conduct in the Gaza Strip monitored around hospitals. I think that's clear to all of us and that Israel needs to meet its expectation, its requirements under international humanitarian law, but so does Hamas. So does Hamas and the use of hospitals. As we heard from the German ambassador a short time ago, is itself a violation and potentially I believe a war crime under international humanitarian law, international criminal law as well. So of course, the expectation hearing more from the WHO. The one point for viewers to keep in mind, though, it may be that these organizations are partisans, right? Or the workers on the grounds are partisans of Hamas, or the wider Palestinian cause. It also may be that they're being intimidated and they feel the only way that they can realistically work and serve civilians in Gaza is by hewing closer to the Hamas line. Be that as it may, Israel, I think is every right to stand for its own position and to put a spotlight on these organizations and what they are and aren't saying. I would think it would be a combination of those two that you mentioned that is impacting on the performance of the Red Cross and other international aid organizations. Onero also should be mentioned in this regard. Now, as I reported earlier in the broadcast, two people who went missing on October 7th, who were believed to have been held hostage in Gaza, were confirmed to have in fact died on October 7th after the bodies were identified. Of course, you could understand the long identification process given the atrocities that were committed down there on that day by Hamas terrorists. Now, one of the two was Vivian Silver. She moved to Israel from Canada in the 1970s. And over the years, she distinguished herself as a leading advocate for peace and coexistence with the Palestinians, including volunteering to drive Gaza residents to their medical treatments in Israel. As I mentioned, on October 7th, Silva went missing when Hamas terrorists attacked her home on Kibbutz Barrie, and it was assumed she was taken hostage in Tegazza. But yesterday authorities announced they had finally identified one of the bodies from the massacre at Barrie as that of Silva. Here she is just two years ago in this very studio speaking on I-24 News about her group Women Wage Peace. Women Wage Peace was founded in the aftermath of the 2014 war in Gaza, a protective edge. It was the third war that we experienced in the period of five years. I am a resident of the area of what they call the Gaza envelope, Kibbutz Barrie. And it was one more too many in too short a time in which sparked responses from all over the country. Women got together, 20 women in a room and said, what can we do? And what came out of it was the movement, grassroots movement, that has grown to 50,000 members today in Israel. Joining us now is Rabbi Miri Gold. She was a close friend of Vivian Silva. She joins us from Kibbutz, Gaza and Rabbi Gold. I think I just have to start by noting the bitter and tragic irony that someone who dedicated her life to coexistence with Palestinians, especially those living on the other side of the border there in the Gaza Strip, should have met her end in this manner. I agree with you. It's the bitter irony of it all. Well, let me ask you first of all about, tell us about Vivian Silva. I did actually meet her once briefly, but I know many who know who well. Tell us about her because she was an outstanding personality. She was an outstanding person, an outstanding human being. She was one of the founders of Kibbutz, Gazar, 1974. As you may know, Kibbutz, Gazar was founded in 45. There was a terrible battle there in 1948, where a third of the members of the Kibbutz were killed, along with nine soldiers, and throughout this entire time that we presumed Vivian missing and knowing the figures of people dead there near Ozan, other places, it eerily reminded me of Gazar, in 48. And just as Gazar has come back to life, they truly believe that Baerri and the other Kibbutz seem in the Otef as a will as well. And I'm sure that Vivian would have been the first to say, of course, will rebuild the Kibbutz. She was a very optimistic person, a hopeful person, but I've learned over the years that if you have hope, it must be coupled with action. And that was Vivian. A couple of years ago, she called me and asked me if I would fundraise for Women's Wage Peace, an organization that I truly admire and have supported. And, frankly, I didn't want to do it. But because Vivian asked me, I had to say yes. And I actually did a pretty good job because she encouraged me and she guided me and helped me along the way. And that was Vivian. She was so human, so personable and personal that anybody who came in contact with her immediately felt comfortable. At the same time, she was very demanding. The high standards she held for herself, she demanded of others. And people rose to the occasion because of who she was. Right, now as someone who lived on the border of the Gaza Strip for many years, she was no stranger to the threats that emanated from there, the rocket attacks, other incidents over the years. So she was certainly not someone who was naive about that situation. What gave her the sort of hope and optimism despite all that happening that she still fought for both the promise of peace and coexistence? I think that she believed that there was no other choice. When people would say things in despair, wring their hands, she would say things like, peace could come tomorrow. How can we step now? And I think that that was a very healthy attitude. It was one that I learned when we were trying so hard to get Jews out of the Soviet Union, I know that at the time I didn't really believe it would happen, but I felt that I couldn't give up. And I think Vivian was the same way she couldn't give up. And I think part of it was because of her humanness that she wanted to see a better world for Jews and Palestinians for Israelis and Arabs. And I have to believe to this day that it is possible. Otherwise, I don't know what I would be doing here. I came to Israel really with the dream that we could make Israel a better place, that Ceo Newt also has to do with Mitsuya Newt, that we can be excellent. We haven't lived up to it yet, but I believe we have the capability. And I think Vivian was probably encouraged by the fact that there were so many grassroots organizations, maybe some of them even under the radar, who were working hard to build bridges to overcome fear. And certainly Women Mages Peace is one of those outstanding organizations. And the only way to keep going is to keep working at it. And she was a wonderful example of that. And I think that we all learned from her personal example. Now, Vivian was was part of the, I guess you could call, larger, progressive community. Certainly here in Israel, and I guess through her contact, stuff with the US, parts of which of that community have reacted in some negative ways, certainly to Israel and in their understanding of the situation here. What do you think Vivian would be would be telling them now, speaking to them, if she could? Well, I think she might use language that we can't use here on this broadcast. I really do, because I know that I feel a certain fury as well as disappointment and some despair over things that I hear from what we now call the left, which unfortunately seems to me to be the opposite end of the extreme right, just that they call themselves left. And I think there's a difference between being liberal and humane and universalist. And someone who somehow loses their sense of reality, when they can be lethal or exhilarate over the fact that people were massacred or even died. Unfortunately, I've heard that today where people said who said she was murdered. So it's very difficult to deal with that. But I think that if Vivian were here, she'd be the first one to grab the microphone, get into the media and see it the way she believed it to be. And we owe it to her as someone who is so very special, somebody who has encouraged us and been such a wonderful personal example. We owe it to her legacy to keep pushing for peace in realistic ways, even though right now everything seems so far off in the distance. And I do believe that her legacy will live on by what we today do ourselves. We're her feet on earth, says the Mishnah. All right, well, we say in the Jewish tradition, for someone who passed, may their memory be a blessing. I think in this case, even more probably, it might be to say, may her memory be an inspiration. Vivian Silver, Rabbi and Mirigol. Thank you for joining us on I-24 News. As I said, oh, and I do know people who knew Vivian Silver quite well and say she was remarkable. Y en her work and her desire to see peace and coexistence across that border between Israel and Gaza. And as I said, a bitter and tragic irony that this may not be in vain her passing. And she wasn't alone. Again, viewers have to understand this has been discussed over the last month and a half, but it has to be discussed even more. Many of the people in those communities. Exactly. These kibbutzim right along the Israel-Gaza border. I don't know if they're filled with people with the kind of energy that we hear about and activism that we hear about from Vivian, but they were people who shared broadly her world view. These were communities that wanted to work for coexistence across that border. These were communities in the left edges of Israeli politics. Right now, again, some of the communities relatively close to the Gaza border, of course, including Stero, a larger town, is more right leaning. OK, with the more right leaning in Likud and the Likud base population in the traditional sense. But the kibbutzim and the Moshevin were different, filled with people like that, which, again, just goes to the heart of the tragedy of October 7th and how it has captured all parts of Israeli society and how the echoes of it will just continue to be there for so very long. All right. And I believe you have some updates on an issue we've been discussing this evening, of course, that of the hospitals there in the Gaza Strip that have become key. Focal point of sort of military planning of Israel in Gaza. Right, two key updates. First of all, over the course of the last hour, the White House has reportedly confirmed that it also sees Hamas as having a use and a role at those hospitals. Confirming Israel's claim that Hamas is there, that Islamic Jihad is there, that they have terrorist infrastructure inside the hospitals. Why is this important Kalev? Because the bottom line, the international media, doesn't trust us. They don't trust us. They don't trust Daniel Hagarian's video. They may trust the Biden administration when the Biden administration comes out and says it. Second, a tweet from our former colleague, Alon Levy, who is now an official Israeli government spokesperson working with the Prime Minister's officer over the course of the war. I will read his tweet, which again echoes something we heard from the podium from Daniel Hagarie, or that was before we jumped in. Official capital letters. IDF calls on Hamas terrorists hiding under Shifa Hospital to surrender. We have given enough warning. Period. It's protective status. Its protected status under international law has lapsed, and we are fully within our rights to counter Hamas's belligerent military activities, with all that that implies. All right. And that also indicates, perhaps, that we were on the verge of some kind of action, imminent action. That this drama may be heading to its climax. All right. Well, we earlier, just a minute ago, we spoke about the activism of one individual, extraordinary individual. Let's look at the activism of another individual, a man by the name of Rabbi Abidán Friedman, who's gone on a hunger strike until the Red Cross manages to visit those hostages in Gaza, something we also spoke about. Our Rory Shapiro went out to meet him and filed this report. The white plaza outside Tel Aviv Museum of Art has been turned into hostages square. Over the past few weeks, several installations, protests and public events dedicated to the 240 Israeli hostages have become a regular feature. But this particular spot is quite unique. On Friday, November 10, Rabbi Abidán Friedman decided to draw a circle and to stay inside it until the Red Cross visited the Israeli hostages Hamas is holding in Gaza. I came here to say I'm not moving from this spot, drew a circle around myself. I'm not moving from this spot and I'm not eating until we have a visit from the Red Cross. And my call is to the state of Israel to tell it that the people of Israel insist that there cannot be selective humanitarian aid. And as long as there is not humanitarian a visit of the Red Cross to all of the captives, we cannot continue to allow humanitarian aid to Gaza. Friedman, originally from Montreal, Canada, is known for his activities in the organization which asks Israel to stop selling arms to human rights violators. He's now calling on other people to join him and spread his message. My wish is that there should be 240 circles here, 240 circles of people sitting and hunger striking and saying, we will not move from here until this happens. And definitely people are already starting to join. Rabbi Friedman also referred to Honia Meagel, a Jewish sage from the first century C.E., who according to tradition drew a circle, sat inside it and told God he would not move until it rained. I pray to God that he helps us, but I think God is also depending on us and wants us to do what we need to. And so I call on the state of Israel to stand by its citizens in the strongest way possible. The Red Cross told Israeli media recently that it's their job to provide humanitarian assistance to all civilians. But in order to do so, they need to be given access inside Gaza. Meanwhile, families of the abducted Israelis and those who are helping them continue their struggle. And staying on the theme of activism, let's go to that big rally in Washington, D.C. in support of Israel and against anti-Semitism. And the suffering of Israeli families like mine. You can you can call for peace and the immediate return of the innocent men, women and children who were violently taken from us. It doesn't need to be political to share in my grief or in the anguish that the Israeli people are feeling. To demand the release of the hostages is not an act of politics, nor is it a cry for war. It is an act of love and a cry for humanity. And love is the only thing that can repair our shattered hearts and bring us back together in the name of peace. Thank you. Mi nombre es Rachel y yo soy la madre de Hirsch Goldberg, Polonia. Un perro, civil, americano, israelí. Seguida desde el festival de música en octubre 7. Ahora, lo que estamos viviendo es difícil de describir. Los famílias de la hostia han vivido los últimos 39 días en el tormento de silencio. Por 38 noches, ninguno de nosotros han traído la verdadera oscuridad de la antes. Todos tenemos un tercero descanso en nuestros soldados. Nuestros corazones se abrazan y separen con miseria. Pero los soldados reales son los de los hostages. Y ellos quieren preguntar a todos en el mundo. Todos los creadores, los indiferentes, los expertos, los académicos, los conocidos, los pasos, los perfectos, los religiosos, los indignantes, los haters, los líderes, los amantes, todos los de nosotros. Por qué, por qué es el mundo aceptando que 240 seres humanos de casi 30 países han sido traídos y estolos. Estos niños de Dios se abrazan en edad de 9 meses a 87 años. Ellos son cristianos, muslims, juzos, budistas y hindú. ¿Por qué se están dejando en la tierra? Abigail Moore Edan es tres años vieja. She watched her parents get murdered in front of her and was then kidnapped. And she would like me to ask the world why are you letting her stay in the dark in her trauma buried in the earth's crust. And Joshua Mollell, who is a Tanzanian-African graduate student studying agribusiness, would like for me to ask you why somehow his life actually doesn't matter. The world must prepare what we will say to them. There was a Christian German who hid Jews during the Holocaust and he was asked why he did such a heroic and dangerous act. His answer was simple. At least I will know when I die and stand before God. He will not ask me what he asked Cain in the Bible. Where were you when your brother's blood cried out from the ground? What the world needs to start thinking about today is what will your excuse be? Oh, and what a powerful speech there by Rachel Goldberg, actually, did speak the mother of Hirsch Goldberg, Poland, I actually spoke to that young man's father, John Poland. But what what powerful words we just heard at that Washington rally, that rally in Washington. I mean, what more can be said, what more can be said after that collab, except to talk not only about the speaker as powerful as that was, but about the power of the audience. Calev, more than 200,000 people reported, more than three, maybe four times the expectation. We're a small people. Jews are our spread out over a large country in the United States, yes, with a concentration in the New York area, but two thirds of them not in the New York area. And yet, coming from across the United States to all the logistical difficulties when short notice on a weekday. Calev, a landmark day in the history of American Jewry. No, I wonder if Richard Goldberg may might ask, where are the others? Where are the others? Why are there even more out there on the National Mall? And I think they perhaps some of them might live to regret that they didn't go out and join that crowd on that day. On this very special day. We'll just leave. We're coming to the end of this particular broadcast. Bring them home, bring them back home. We'll just have to leave on that sentiment. Owen Altman, thank you for joining us. Thank you for joining us. That brings to a close this particular broadcast. But do stay with I-24 News for our special continuing coverage Israel at war. Day 39 of a struggle against Hamas and struggle, most of all, to bring its kidnapped men, women and children back home. Thanks for joining us. Made for me, a unique concept in Israel. Custom made men's fashion to your measurements. Made for me, designer of all your events. 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Welcome to the special broadcast here in I-24 News as we continue our rolling coverage, Day 39 of the war here in Israel. Well, some give birth at a hospital, some give birth at home, some give birth in nature. And some in captivity among the 239 hostages with a pregnant Israeli woman. Today she's no longer pregnant. She is believed to have given birth in captivity with Hamas terrorists holding her and her new baby hostage from now on every Jewish woman, every Israeli woman who gives birth will have in the back of her mind the pain of her labor too. A new mother to a new born, to a new life, a first smile in captivity. Meanwhile, Hadid Rantisi hospital in the Gaza Strip, idea forces found a basement of horrors, really, where some of the hostages are believed to have been held. A lot of ammunition, a knife covered in blood, and a baby bottle. Yes, a baby bottle. Ask for his message for families waiting for news on their captive loved ones. Presidente Joe Biden, saying today, hang in there, we're coming. So they are waiting and we are all waiting. Israeli Defense Minister Joav Garland saying this evening, for the sake of the hostages, we have no right to stop the fighting on the ground. I'd like to say to all of us, what moral right do we have to stop this battle as long as these people are held captive by these savages from Hamas. For me, every such meeting with the families, every conversation about the Holocaust surveybers is not just a dialogue that stirs up some very strong emotions. For me, this is also a moral compass. For me, for the chief of general staff, for the IDF troops and for all those who are carrying out their missions. Yes, taking a deep breath now and shifting focus to the northern front, where a meaning war is already underway. I-24 News Correspondent, Pia Zekalbacha, standing by the way, the I-24 News Team and Israel Lebanon border. Pia, Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Tanyao, meeting northern council leaders. Today, valuing security will be restored on the northern front. Is that essentially laying the foundation for action? Well, that is really the question as the cross-border attacks continue, the skirmishes between Israel and Hezbollah have continued throughout the day. We're talking about motor-shelling and anti-tank missiles that targeted really several communities along the Israel-Lebanon border. Motor shells and anti-tank missiles were fired towards the communities of Métula, of Bargaleot in the very eastern part of the Israel-Lebanon border, but also to Arab Aramche, which is more towards the west. In addition to that, a suspicious object being shot down above the city of Aker and above the sea, so there was no alert trigger, but that just really gives you an image of how these attacks do continue, really, all alongside the border. And yes, if we want to speak about how the political establishment is referring to the northern border, Benjamin Tanyao, meeting with the local council heads here in the north today, but also Benny Gantz, the leader of the National Unity Party and also a member of the current war cabinet. And he said to something very similar. He said that he will not let the situation return to high, it was on October 6th, of course, referring to the reality here before this current war started because the threat that Hezbollah post on the other side of the border has been a very real also before this war started. Just want to remind you, these scumishes that have been happening here throughout the summer with Hezbollah placing two tents on the Israeli side of the border, creating major tensions that are here even before. And we're speaking about dozens of communities in the north that have been evacuated. And we do know that many of these residents are fearful to return to the north here in Israel, even after this war might end, because the threat, again, will possibly continue to persist. So if we speak about how the military establishment is going to address that, also you have got the current defense minister refer to the north and his speeches that he just told. And he said that the northern residents are now no less important than the southern residents and that, of course, there's a sustainable solution for the north needs to be found, how that will be implemented and how the military establishment will proceed referring to the northern frontier. That is very much unclear at this point, Ellie. A 24 news correspondents, P.S. Sekelbach, many things remain unclear, but what is clear is that October 6th, there's becoming some sort of a synonym to being oblivious in terms of the threats that are to come. Thank you very much for this and joining us here in the studio for this broadcast Lieutenant Colonel, Mr. Doron Avital, former commander of the Special Forces of the IDF, Lieutenant Colonel Avital. Thank you so very much for joining us. As always, well, the northern front, we've been using terms such as provocations, pushing the line, crossing, marking red lines, crossing them. It might not be a full-on war, but it is some sort of a war. Yeah, it's sort of a mini-war, but we also have a mini-war in the West Bank, so it's a constant war with Hezbollah, exchanges of fire. We are trying to let them pay dearly for every incident. It seems that nobody wants a full-blown escalation right now, not even us, but of course, as you mentioned, the question of the people evacuated from the Galilei. We are talking about thousands and thousands of people. This is a big issue and they won't come back unless there is some security secured. Of course, of course. Pero en este aspecto, Lieutenant Colonel Avital, parece que Nasrallah, a un extent, Hezbollah, es intentando llevar Israel a hacer el primer paso. Yo creo que primero, lo que quiere hacer es haberse engañado cuando veamos. Es muy difícil. Exacto. Es una pregunta de nuestras fuerzas, la localización de fuerzas, el aerófono. Y esta sensación es parte de la campaña. Ahora, la pregunta de una escalación full-blown, es difícil dar la condición de Lebanon, lo que es ahora, en consecuencia a la economía de Lebanon, a los civiles en el sur, a Beirut, como se recuerda Galán, el ministro de Defensa, dice, bueno, no voy a hacer mi línea de rojo, pero déjame decir que, si nos metemos en Beirut, se han cruzado. Saben que se han cruzado la línea de rojo. Así que esto es el diálogo, pero tenemos que ser muy mature y entender que tenemos que poner este diálogo en esta forma, al menos algo, al menos la línea es cruzada. Y luego tendremos una gran escalación. Por supuesto, en términos de lo que nuestras ambiciones son, en el final, es, por supuesto, la línea de litanía que es un borde. Es un acuerdo internacional. Sí, y es parte de esto, el 17-01 acuerdo de la UN, seguiendo la segunda guerra de Lebanon. Y esto podría ser una campaña diplomática. Y si no, una campaña militar que seguirá. Una doble y una soja aquí. No quieres ser el primero, es algo que no quieres ser el segundo, pero estamos bien preparados y nuestra inteligencia es muy diferente. En la frontera del sur y el 7-01, por cierto, y hablando de la frontera del sur, vamos a pasar ahora a la línea 24. Corresponde, Mary McAuliffe, con el equipo de la línea 24. Mary, muchas gracias por ayudarnos. Bueno, quiero comenzar con una nueva, no diría, unexpected, bastante expectante dominador. Y esto es un complexo. Equiclo. Reyn, ¿cómo es afectando la guerra? Eso es right, Ellie. We saw heavy rainfall throughout the evening today here on the border. We are also listening to the sounds of Israeli airstrikes, those Israeli airstrikes that also punctuated by the sounds of incredibly loud thunder. So we can only imagine what it's like inside the Gaza Strip for both the soldiers who are operating there at the time, as well as the civilians who are there now. We do know the IDF today say that it is successfully in control of the northern half of the Gaza Strip and El Shatzi. They are also operating in many cities. So whether or not the rain is going to pose a challenge by creating muddy roads for the tanks remains to be clear. I don't think yet we're seeing that significant rainfall that would cause such a problem. But the IDF does say that it is pushing forward and has not made any mentions of slowing down on their mission. Now with reports that they are very near the El Shifa Hospital complex, even within three to four blocks of that complex. Right, right. El Shifa Hospital, definitely at the epicenter of defining both what is happening in there and surrounding it. I-24 News Correspondent, Mayor McAuliffe. Thank you very much for this. We will get back to you later on in the broadcast and amidst the fighting of on the ground, the IDF trying to coordinate the transfer of incubators for newborns from an Israeli hospital to El Shifa Hospital in Gaza that Mayor just mentioned, as the forces of course continue to operate near the hospital compound, hospital slash terror headquarters. It comes as the IDF spokesperson releasing today footage from within a basement of the Renteci Hospital showing stash of weapons, possibly hold hostages kidnapped on October 7th. Middle East Correspondent, Ariel Osoron. Es more what they found there. We are now in the area of the basement of the hospital. I want to show you a room where we found all the gear, the operational gear of Hamas. Hamas is using hospitals like we showed the evidence in Shifa Hospital, in other hospital. We are now seeing it in life in Renteci Hospital. A operation still conducting right now. As fighting between Israeli forces and Hamas edges deeper into the heart of Gaza City, hospitals have become a key focus of the IDF. The reason they're used by Hamas terrorists to hide weapons and possibly hold any of the 239 hostages kidnapped on October 7th. This kind of gear is a gear for a major fight. These are explosives. These are vests, vests with explosives. Yeah, it's a body vest for terrorists to explode on forces. Among hospitals, among patients, we have hand grenades, Kalachnikovs, y luego tenemos los RPGs, las personas sonando RPGs de hospitales. Esto es Hamas. The booby-trapped hide-out beneath the Renteci Children's Hospital in northern Gaza is located near the home of a senior Hamas commander. It was uncovered by the IDF's Navy elite Cheyate 13 commando unit and the 401 Armored Brigade. As they raided the hospital, which was evacuated days earlier, they came in contact with Hamas fighters holed up in there. A woman clothes and a rope. A rope next to the legs. And look above this, look above it. It's a baby bottle. It's a baby bottle in a basement. Above a World Health Organization sign. This is a suspicion for area where hostages were being held. A few feet away was a motorcycle believed to be used to transport hostages from Gaza into Israel on October 7th. As well as what appeared to be makeshift bathrooms, a kitchenette and improvised ventilation pipes. In this room, there is a list. This list in Arabic, in Arabic, this list says, we are in operation, the operation against Israel started in the 7th of October. This is a guardian list where every terrorist writes his name y every terrorist has his own shift guarding the people that were here. Meanwhile, amid growing criticism over Israel's fighting near hospitals, the IDF said it is coordinating with Shifa's management, the transfer of incubators for newborns from an Israeli hospital to Gaza's biggest hospital and released a phone call with the manager. ¿Entendiste que hoy en día, si tienes un niño en la parte de los niños, tienes un niño? ¡Suscríbete! ¡Nos estamos preparando cualquier solución! Si necesitas los niños y los hombres, estamos preparando cualquier solución. Si necesitas un incubator, y le pones a los niños en el hospital, ¿tendrán una solución? ¿Tendrán una solución? ¿Cuándo te ha Nicolás? ¿Skarang se ple purity, más que 27 setas por día, ¿moroga? Y así que, como la avión continues y leska Gaza's hospitals usados por Hamas en sus estátareschinos hectáneas Israel습니다á para que continu UEF, BACKHere. Well, we're seeing those images and western leaders are seeing those images. They know how Israel operates, they know that this is a law abiding vibrant democracy that is adhering to morals and the truth. Y aún así, parece, y tal vez, que estoy compartiendo un sentimiento, y ahora no hay una pensión, que no importa lo que Israel dice, o los que lo llamarán, no es el caso. Creo que la campaña, que debemos continuar con esta campaña, es sobre el hecho, y el hecho, y creo que el responsable, la idea del responsable está haciendo un gran trabajo, y creo que es un tipo muy israelí, en manyas respuestas, él le da a los israelíos, y creo que este es el comandante, este es el hombre que fue comandante en la ciencia de la navidad, ahora en el rol de un joven, no es un jornalista, es muy impresionante. Creo que él convierte algo, y creo que va a el otro lado, para verlo en el fútbol, en el hospital de Dorentesí, mostrando esa amunición, y, por supuesto, RPGs, y el hecho de los hostes, que parece que fueron actualmente hostes. Esto tiene un efecto, pero en el final, creo que lo que sabemos es militar, y que en el final, el método de la batalla, y si ganas, y si ganas decisivamente, entonces puedes deliberar... Sí, en términos de la ciencia, parece que cada ciencia está abriendo a su propio... Y hay algunos interesantes símbolos de su suceso, vimos el Brigado Golaní en el Parlamento de la Policía de Palacio, dentro de Gaza, así que hay muchos símbolos... Pero aquí también, en términos de la percepción del público, pero lo dejaremos ahí, a veces no estoy seguro, como sé cómo se ve en los ojos israelíos, en los ojos fríos, no estoy seguro de cómo se ve. Cómo se ve en el otro lado. En el otro lado, pero tal vez hay un punto en el que debes parar de invistir mucho esfuerzo y intentar convencer a los que... Nunca serán convencidos. Hay una lucha de Emmanuel Kant, la gran filosófica, y dice, haz el right thing, y déjame las consecuencias a Dios. Así que podríamos hacer el right thing y esperamos que las consecuencias estarán seguras. Seguimos con el contacto. ¿Puede ser el right way? Es por cierto. Vamos a volver a la batalla. El hospital principal no es solo simbólico. El centro epicentro de este edificio, en la parte norte, veremos lo que va a suceder en la parte norte a nivel más complejo, debido a la factura de que todos los residentes están ahí. Pero cuando viene a la batalla, el hospital, no es un if, pero un when, y un truque. Es una situación complexa, un parámetro complexo. Su correspondencia justamente mencionó los esfuerzos especiales. Me insistí desde el principio, que alongside the tanks, the engineering and the infantry brigade will be special forces whose venues are exactly this kind of operation. When it's surgical, when you have to use very refined technology in terms of the tunnels, it can be vision technology, it can be other technology. And those special forces, this is the job. Now around the Schiffer Hospital, we know that there are patients, there's only citizens that took high there. So we have to be very careful and how to work it out. And we saw the offering of the incubation and systems and so on. We have to do it carefully, surgically. Though we do know what we have underneath, it has to be smart. Yes. And now, as mentioned a short minute ago, we're naturally focusing on the north now. The main campaign is there and yet, the south is A, not free from homeless terrorists whatsoever. And V makes any ground operation there more challenging due to the fact that again, all the population or most of the population. The south pose a real difficulty, a real humanitarian difficulty. You talked about the weather, you talked about the winter entering. So think of all those, all those Palestinians from Gaza there right now in a makeshift tents and so on. So we have to allow as much as in humanitarian aid as possible coming from Egypt. I would be allowing the Jordanian to airlift humanitarian aid. We have to be very flexible here because we really don't want to create a humanitarian crisis in the midst of a winter and with all the sanitarian... Sanitation, of course. The infrastructure there is so poor to begin with. So it's a big issue. And of course, but you are very much right. Many Hamas, I'm sure many Hamas military just flew away with the Palestinians. Probably with some of the hostages. Probably many of the hostages maybe now we are in the south. This is one of the assumptions right now. So it poses a new problem, a new difficulty. We have to take Gaza first and then see what's next. Yeah, first we take Gaza, then the rest. And before we move to the... to another front of the warfare what's happening in our brains which is not less chaotic than what's happening underground. Obviously much talk about having potential hostage deal that will include some sort of a pause in the fighting. For many days there was speculation that if you pause you cannot... you will lose momentum in the fighting. But today reports that IDF commanders are trying to calm down the political echelon telling them we can handle a pause. We can handle it and keep on going. Do what it... I think definitely this campaign is not in a rush. In many respect militarily wise the campaign is... moves a little bit slow. I mean it's not like we are rushing into Gaza. We did not rush into Gaza. We do it very step by step. I wouldn't say so. I think in the context in which we were surprised we do the right thing where to be prepared and we do it step by step. And I think the hostage issue is such an important dilemma for the Israeli public en general. So there's no question if there is a deal we'll take the pause. I'm not sure it means a long ceasefire but we'll have to do something. And we actually said it publicly I think in a minute. Hostage deal we can talk about a ceasefire. Yeah, yeah. Well to that point unfortunately some more devastating news today. The IDF confirming the death of Corporal Norma Alciano, un soldado muy pequeño, que murió durante la actividad de Hamas después de que fue asesinada en la sábada. Hours antes de esta confirmación Hamas el Casamberg ha lanzado un video de Noa claramente recogiendo un papel dirigido por terroristas y luego desplazando lo que ellos dicen es su cuerpo muerto aclarando que el ataque de la Air Force es la razón. Así que a partir de la guerra de los soldados en la tierra la warfare psicológica es como se entiende y es difícil. Así que queremos cruzar ahora a Dr. Liraz Margalit, de la psicología behavioral. Dr. Margalit, muchas gracias por ayudarnos. Bueno, todos sabemos que está sucediendo en toda la fuerza. Todos sabemos que el enemigo es vicioso y cruel y no puede cuidar menos de la verdad y a Dr. Margalit, aunque sabemos todo, no se siente de esa manera. Right, you are absolutely right and I think that you were able to define just what happened because we need to understand most of the time I mean 80% of the time we process information with our emotion not with our rational part of the brain and mainly our brain was not designed to deal with fake news and not with psychological warfare so unfortunately the people who knows how to push the right buttons meaning how to push our emotions and how to know us and how to personalize the information will be able to win the war because we need to understand one thing there is not a regular warfare I mean we have two types of warfare and two types of campaign that need to be perfectly designed and the same efforts that we are investing in the physical campaign we need to also invest in the psychological warfare and what they do I have to say as a psychologist who specialized in psychological warfare and in mind design Unfortunately I have to tell you that they are doing a great job because they know us and they know the value of people's life is to us and they know how sensitive we are and I think that all propaganda was designed to use this manipulation on our feelings and one more thing that we need to understand the negative feelings is trigger us much more than the positive one and much more than the hope so it's not about hope it's mainly about how to trigger those negative emotions So your and perhaps as a note if we've learned anything from October 7th is to give credit when it's due to our enemies and yes they're doing this psychological warfare conducting it very well indeed and yet Dr. Mangalit what are they trying to gain what are they actually gaining out of it and second if all fair and love and war how are we using psychological tactics Ok so I will start with addressing your first question and it's very obvious if you think and if you will try to analyze all the videos that Hamas has released you will see one thing I mean if we will take for example the first video I think it was a video of Mia Shem if we all remember and it was very a monetarian like video and what do I mean by that if you actually analyze the sentiment and if you analyze the content you will see that she was first to say of course the text was first on her ok so she is taking care of and she is in a hospital and everything is ok and I think that back then at the beginning of the world Hamas was still in a home to get somewhere and afterwards I believe that they didn't expect the Israeli response and you can see it by the last two video that they released so many of the Israeli channel was not to to showcase those videos but still I was able to see them and from analyze you see that Hamas is under a lot of pressure and he knows that his days are counted so this was changing their tactics as their war progresses exactly so this was a video that shows a lot of stress and a lot of anger and frustration and it was manipulation that meant to play with our feeling because they know and what they are trying to do I will say it because I was I was thinking if I should say it or not but I think that it's better that we will know what they are trying to do they are trying to create a conflict with the different families of people who are kidnapped and by doing that they know that we will fight, we will have a conflict among ourselves and this is what they are aiming for. Unfortunately this is all the time we have but what is certain is that if we have tools to protect ourselves from rockets rush to shelter we do need to develop mechanisms tools to protect our psychology Dr. Lirazmar Galit behavioral psychology Thank you very much for this we are taking a very quick break now a few minutes and we continue our special broadcast right here with all the updates from the ground and behind the scenes of what is happening a few minutes and we are back as well Come back thanks for staying with us as the talk on the day after the war is gaining steam in Washington and European capitals also in Middle Eastern capitals there are those in Jerusalem who are getting proactive lawmaker and former deputy head of the Mossad Ramben Barak alongside his fellow member at the parliament's foreign defense committee putting out a new proposal today calling to allow not to force to allow massive transfer willingly residents to countries that are ready to accept them this proposal however raising anger with already angry regional players but before we discussed the controversy let's cross now to the man with the plan Ramben Barak thank you very much Mr. Ben Barak for joining us well we all know nowadays you say one thing and people hear another so let's hear it from you what does the plan include a host me a new show but then I would like to explain the situation in Gaza for the last 20 years is not so good the population is under the Hamas authority it's a terror organization to start war with Israel and now we are in war in Gaza and the situation in Gaza is very bad for everyone we have to to win this war and we are we are doing that right now the population in the citizens in Gaza they don't have any opportunity to go out from Gaza because they can't go to Israel they can't go through Egypt and even if they can go no one want to expect them as they normally happen in a place that there is war like Syria like every other place my suggestion was that we will let them we will give them the possibility those who want to go out family who decided to go out we will give them the way to do that and we call the other country if there are countries including Israel by the way willing to ex some of these some of these refugees and to host them in their country until Gaza will become a better place to live and those who want to come back will come back after Gaza will be under another regime that it will be maybe I hope a place that people can live safely they will see yeah Mr. Binbak the intentions might have been well but Egypt, Jordan getting furious other raising many eyebrows as well the international sentiment is hostile to begin with is it, did the plan do more harm than good no, because I think that we don't have the right to tell people what to do in other places like in Israel for example if someone want to go out of Israel he have the opportunity to do that all he need to do is to find a country that willing to get him the people of Gaza don't have this opportunity what we are suggesting not to transfer them not to force them to do something we give them the opportunity to do that if they want to do it they will do it if they don't want to do it they will not do it more than this when I look on the future I can see, I hope one day there will be a Palestinian state that Gaza will be part of this Palestinian state and maybe there will be a regime of the Palestinians that they want to do good for the people those who go out can go back in this plan came from a human right and humanity reason not it's not coming from a reason the right wing transferred it no, no, no this is the land this is the place they live well lost in translation to an extent I believe the intention and the result but speaking of that notion that you are presenting of a better future for all those in the region your party leader said that the Palestinian authority should take control over the strip the day after if and when do you agree? yes of course I think that the Palestinian authority it's only as I see now the only group that can take control on Gaza I hope if there will be another peaceful Palestinian group that willing to do that and have the power to do that the political power to do that we don't want to say to the Palestinians who will control them but for sure anyone that control Gaza must understand that the Gaza we will not allow never there will be a terror organization on Gaza all the rest is willing to come and willing to take care of the Palestinians to build the Palestinian state by the way in Gaza in Gaza it could happen many years ago because we are not in Gaza for many years was supposed to be the Singapore of the Middle East some suggested way back when it's supposed to be they was taking hostages by the Hamas and this is why we keep on correcting those who are wishing freedom for the Palestinians first and foremost being free of Hamas briefly Mr. Ramban Barak before we let you go trying to milk some good news out of you as a member of the foreign and defense committee what is your understanding on the pending hostage deal Are you optimistic I'm optimistic because I think we have a great great people here in Israel and I think we are doing the right things and we are doing the things that we are the good in this conflict we are in a very difficult time now we have la guerra en Gaza. We have his balance and all. But I'm sure that we all understand now that we cannot allow ourselves that the terror organization will be our border and we are very willing to take risk and do whatever we need to let them... ...to bring them back home and to secure borders indeed. Mr. Rambin Barak, member of Israeli Parliament and former deputy head of the Mossad, thank you so very much for joining us. We appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you, thank you. And another painful loss today, the body of Vivian Silver, a prominent peace activist, a 74-year-old and a resident of Kibbutz Berri, tragically becoming the symbol of the October 7th massacre, was identified, her body was identified today. Vivian, who held a Canadian citizenship as well, was one of the leaders of women making peace movement dedicated to fostering Jewish, Arab partnership and harmony. Hamas leaders murdered Vivian, but did they also murder what she believed in? Here's a part of an interview of Vivian Silver here on I-24 News. Women wage peace was founded in the aftermath of the 2014 war in Gaza, Protective Edge. It was the third war that we experienced in the period of five years. I am a resident of the area of what they call the Gaza envelope, Kibbutz Berri. And it was one more too many in too short a time, which sparked responses from all over the country. Women got together, 20 women in a room and said, what can we do? And what came out of it was the movement, grassroots movement that has grown to 50,000 members today in Israel. And we want to speak now with Manuela Rothstein, a friend of Vivian. Manuela, we are so sorry for your loss for 39 days. You were hoping for a different ending. Tell us about Vivian. She was an extraordinary person. She was very strong and optimistic. She wasn't a naive person. She chose peace because she knew the Palestinian children as well. We will miss her badly. This is for certain. She was a woman, as you're illustrating, who lived, who was breathing. She was herself all about peace. Is the world she believed in could be realized or did it die with her to an extent? We will follow her path. No doubt. We will follow it. I'm sure that many people realize now that word after word that path wasn't the path to security and wasn't the path or at least not the only exclusive path to deal with this conflict. I'm sure, in the end, reason will prevail. We can only hope we will find a sense of reason. At some point, Manuela, before we bid farewell, perhaps a message of Vivian, for Vivian. We had today from many of our friends how important she was for us. We always looked at her to receive the confirmation in a sense that we were doing the right thing. She was with us three days before the massacre in a meeting with 1,000 Palestinians and Israeli women and the density and we signed the women's call. And today we received also condolences from our Palestinian friends. We will continue, we will continue and I invite people that want peace in the region to sign the mother's call. That would help. Peace and war. Question is if they're destined to be countering one another or necessarily the opposite of one another. I'm not so sure about that. Manuela Rothstein, thank you very much for speaking with us. And again, we're so sorry for your lost Vivian Silver. May she rest in peace. Thank you very much. Thank you. Now, marching to get them back the families of 239 hostages started a big march today, a long one from what is now known as the Hostages Square in Tel Aviv towards the Prime Minister's office in Jerusalem with the aim of exerting more pressure for the release of their loved ones. 39 days in captivity now. Tonight they're calling on the government to get a deal now. Not tomorrow, not in a bit. Now. We lost patience. We want to receive the kidnapped now. We want to receive our family members, our loved ones now. We know this is the moment of truth. We know that a decision can be made today. It can be made tonight. You can make a decision. I want you, Netanyahu, Galant, Gantz to look into my eyes, look into the eyes of all the families en Tel Aviv. Tell me, what would happen if Rami was your daughter? Yes, and earlier tonight our Zach Andrews walked with the families as they begin their days longer march. Here's what Tasheli Shemtov, the mother of Omar Shemtov who was kidnapped from the Innova Music Festival told him. You've been walking since early today. Tell me what that's been like so far. This is the beginning, but I am addicted to my thing that I want my son back home and I will do everything for to bring him back home. And we are walking to Jerusalem to we want that the government will give us answers and we want our families back home. Your destination is intentional, isn't it? Yes, yes but it's important to understand that we are 39 days in a nightmare. My son is kidnapped by the Hamas the festival the festival of love the festival of peace and the Hamas took my son and and all that we want is to bring back our families back home when the baby was kidnapped he was nine months old and now he's ten months imagine that you're I don't know if you have brother, sister or a child that you are in your house in your safe place and then terrorists are getting through your house taking babies, murder people this is not it's a nightmare this is not something that needs to happen no matter where it's I don't want that thing like that no mother in all of the world needs to feel like a fill now that I cannot help my son I cannot protect him Do you think your son is how old is your son? Tuesday he was 21 years old Do you think he's helping others in there right now? my son is a good boy he always helping other people and I think now he's doing good things for the other hostages all over the world must understand that it's not a war between countries it's a citizen that kidnapped an organization so it's humanitarian thing to bring them back home and your government every government in all over the world must understand that also we need their help to bring back the citizen the soldiers everybody home thank you so much once again in Jewish history we demand let our people go our Helicaptor Gengaza and our soldiers are fighting for our beloved Israel Jews all over the world are assaulted for being Jewish the hatred the hatred the hatred the hatred the hatred the hatred the hatred the lies the brutality the disgraceful outburst of ancient anti-semitism are an embarrassment to all civilized people and nations to paraphrase the prophet Zechariah boys and girls shall once again play in the streets of Bairi and Sderot and the elderly shall sit peacefully by the walkways at the end of Hakim when the sounds of life and laughter return to the villages the Kibbutzim and the cities our constant yearning for peace we return as well and joining Lieutenant Colonel Doronov Italian myself here in studio at 24 news a senior diplomatic correspondent Owen Alterman I'm quite baffled when it comes to the American presidenta porque en el otro lado 400 ministros de la administración están enviando la lettera de la presidenta a reconsiderar su apoyo a Israel en esta capacidad en esta forma en el otro lado este polvo indica que muchos disagreean con la política de Biden dos tercios de los que están en desagreamiento es porque se cree que no se está pro-Israel en los Estados Unidos es un país grande y complicado y entonces obviamente van a ser los suportes para cada de estos lados en diferentes partes de la sociedad pero por supuesto lo que hemos visto en la maula nacional es sobre todo la comunidad jewish que se va a regresar a ella y expresar lo que llamé en la última hora un amor profundo para Israel que siempre fue escondido por la vista con todo el paro de distancia hay este amor profundo y estamos cantando en nuestra pantalla en un sentido de emergencia más de 200,000 personas en la maula nacional con las escuelas de ese marco histórico en 1987, yo estaba ahí como un niño de la escuela elementary un marco landmark en la historia de la historia de los americanos y si queremos sentir el amor de otra vez podemos ir a Berlin porque el Chancellor Olaf Scholz no podría ser claro si hay una cifra o un paus solo diciendo no es lo necesario no, el Chancellor de la Germana dijo antes de hoy en la noticia de la noche, el Ambazero de la Germana reiteró a Berlin no si, sino si se vuelve a octubre 7, algo incoherente incoherente bruto la atacada terrorística contra Otef Azar y de ahí se refiere el derecho de Israel a defenderse y eso no solo significa defenderse sino también significa que no tal atacada terrorística puede suceder de nuevo que Hamas no debe ser en una situación para repetir esto lo que significa la guerra de Israel es la eliminación de Hamas como una fuerza militar o política o es sobre la guerra y ahora queremos volver a la Germana a Cologne, vamos a ser un jornalista Victoria Vary, muchas gracias Victoria por acompañarnos, nos apreciamos si hay una feia que la mente de la presidenta francesa Emmanuel Macron, crea este rey europeo, en efecto, el Chancellor de la Germana es un maestro diplomático así que sí, gracias por haberme es definitivamente el Chancellor de la Germana se mantiene stabilizado se reiteró que la seguridad de Israel es la razón de la Germana de Estado no es muy claro lo que significa pero las políticas de la Germana el gobierno de la Germana ha sido muy stabilizado el ministro de la Comunidad de la Comunidad de Israel 3 veces desde la guerra y el Chancellor no deja la oportunidad para decir cuánto soledad de la Germana va a mostrar y a ese punto, lo hiciste Victoria, ¿es su apoyo a la comitación histórica o es más profunda en términos de la sentimiento y la percepción es definitivamente roto en la historia al menos en grandes partes ha habido mucha educación mucho intercambio programas para la sociedad en escuelas a todos cada niño aprende sobre la guerra y la costa de holocaust es lo que todo el mundo desea la gente debería pensar y la mayoría de las personas están mostrando mucha solidaridad contra Israel no todo el mundo en la Germana pero el gobierno hace muy claro que debería ser así en términos de la leadership política ¿están escuchando otras voces o hay consensas? no hay consensas es definitivamente dentro del gobierno y la voce política no solo el gobierno pero también las grandes partes de la oposición el Partido Chancellor Merkel que ha estado gobernando en la Germana por 16 años es ahora en la oposición y ellos también están mostrando muy mucha solidaridad contra Israel y en la vía de U.K. Victoria lo estamos viendo ahora se está haciendo una cuestión doméstica sobre los problemas sensibles de la inmigración y la importancia etcétera ¿qué vemos en la Germana en este aspecto? creo que tenemos mucha descensión en la sociedad hay mucha gente especialmente en la comunidad muslima que quiere mostrar su solidaridad contra Palestine y cómo se hace no hay no hay consensas en la Germana mucha de las demonstraciones pro-Palestine han sido prohibidas porque son parte anti-Semitic pero es muy difícil encontrar un diálogo constructivo en esta guerra en la sociedad sí estamos fuera de un diálogo constructivo como lo pusimos jornalista Victoria Ritha de Cologne en la Germana muchas gracias por acompañarnos nos lo apreciamos en último antes de que repartimos esta hora de nuestro broadcast nuevamente fue esta sede que vamos a ver por lo tanto el vicepresidente está aquí en Israel pero los que apoyan los que no es una picada complicada en Europa hemos escuchado la historia de la Germana otro testamento a la relación especial que un diálogo post holocaustiano ha construido con Israel antes en nuestro broadcast creo que es el mejor ejemplo de reconciliación en la historia humana en términos de lo que ha sido logrado y es el creditor de la Germana no solo de la leadership, sino de las personas la picada diplomática de la EU es tan complicada como nunca en Israel hay diferentes campes uno en el sentido de la Germana y uno en el de facto de la Francia no puede ser llamado hostel pero diferente y Macron se llamó para la cifra no lo haces pero la EU no lo haces o en ultraman 24 horas por favor muchas gracias por acompañarnos y continuamos la conferencia Israel es la guerra un investimiento en Israel es el mejor y directo para estar con Israel visiteisraelbonds.com y investe ahora