 April. This is the power to show and I am your host Sharon blessing. Now we've been having so many conversations centered around forgiveness and the seasons of Easter and Ramadan. But now that it's done, we want to figure out how we can make money particularly on the digital spaces because since COVID happened, people are moving their businesses online. So we want to know how we can tap into the growing e-commerce economy and how we can really monetize our skills and the platforms that we have already on this digital platforms. And joining me live here on set are two experts who have been on social media since the inception of it and they are more familiar with how you can harness these opportunities that are present online. So we have Victor Muridi who is an interior, graphics and web designer all in one. Like I like the mini titles, Caribou Sana Victor. Yeah, it's a lovely to have you here and right next to Victor, we have Sabrina Abigail who is a journalist. She's a media personality and you're also on social media. Caribou. Thank you so much. I hope you guys are having a lovely day. Yes. Yeah. Thank God because now we'll end it on a beautiful note. And I want us to really understand how we can tap into these opportunities that are present on the e-commerce spaces because e-commerce has really grown particularly in the last few years. So many businesses, so many people are moving online and in this day and time when we keep wondering how can we make extra money? How can we get jobs when there are literally no jobs around? We can create these opportunities for ourselves on the digital platforms. So I want to hear from you as well. I want to know, do you do a business online? Have you ever done a business online or are you even considering doing it? Let us know what your experience is. You can go on our social media platforms at Y254. That's on X on Facebook and on Instagram. Let us know your thoughts and we will sample that as we progress with this conversation. So I think maybe I said e-commerce and I may have missed some people there. So let's define what e-commerce is. Victor, could you give us a brief description of what you'd term as e-commerce? Okay. When I think of e-commerce, I will think of the businesses online. You can have a physical businesses but the transactions are online. So you find that you're only doing delivery. Yes. So it's only, I would say it's selling online. Yes. So selling particularly online. I like what you've said. You can have a physical shop but then your transactions and maybe orders and everything else, all of that is happening online, which adds value because so many people will assume it's purely online and you do not have a physical shop or it's just a website, the access. And Sabrina, what has been your experience with e-commerce as a lady? Like as a lady, if you're looking for something, an outfit, shoes, what's your experience doing e-commerce and accessing these pages? For me, e-commerce, I would say as ladies we really like buying things online and all that. So for me, I like shopping online. So if I get to see an outfit or maybe a wig, so I'm able to just purchase it online without going to the physical shop because sometimes these shops are so far away. So I guess e-commerce is very important because at least they can do delivery worldwide and all that. And I think what you've said is why most people prefer online shopping because it's so convenient. You're the comfort of your house and you're just selecting what you want because going to a physical shop, sometimes people think about coming to town or going to do where to get one particular item. It's so hectic, it's very tedious so it's easier for them to deliver to your doorstep. And Victor, you've been working online, you've done various things online and I wonder how did you get into that? Did you, when you initially started business, was that your goal? Did you start a physical shop or did you decide to do it digitally as well? How I started, I had a skill at first and then I was thinking on how to get the jobs now. So I went online, I looked for places where I can work from the comfort of my home and that is how I started because normally the best thing about these working online is that from where you are, it doesn't matter if you have an office, it doesn't matter if you're in the house, if you're in your bedroom. So as long as you have a way to link to your customer, to connect to your customer and you sort their needs, that is how you can do it. Because you don't need to have, you know, so many people are hindered from starting businesses because of the resources. You need to have capital, you need to have CG investors, you need to have a location and all these things really cost money and so many people are avoiding all those costs by starting online because if you have a phone, if you have access to the internet, then it's easy for you to even set up a shop. Some people even do it without having the products which I want us to get into later as we progress. But the first thing you said is you had the skills. So skills are important. Okay, even in selling, for instance, this is a competitive marketer. For instance, you're selling shoes. So there are a variety of shoes. You need to decide which shoes go faster, which shoes the market prefers. Before you go advertise this, the shoe I'm selling. You need to, at the back of your mind, you need to know, if I put this product online, it will have demand. So where's the letter we have to, Zaman, Sanna, we have to, you sell them online. No one will buy. But if you get maybe the latest trend, if it's clothes, you get the latest fashion, you put them online. Of course you will get customers because the market is always, it's always growing and people are looking for the next big thing. Yeah, I like that. Generally, people wake up and they assume they can sell anything online. But if you do not even do your research on what you target audience is, what you want to sell, what they like, then you have dead stock where you just bought things and they stay there with you and you can't sell them or move them. So as you said, the market is growing. People are still accessing this online platforms. There's a concern that they're not enough people particularly in the media industry, Sabrina. So many people talk about journalists and people in media personalities want to say, my market equals so saturated. So many people are walking around with their papers, their degrees, PhDs, but they have nowhere to go. What do you think about that, especially with focus on how we can utilize the digital space? Do you think the market is saturated or do you think there's still space and room for other people to get in? What I would say the market is not saturated because that's why we have the online market. So it's not a must for you to go to those media houses or go to work somewhere. You can just have maybe begin your podcasts. That is a way that you can practice your journalism instead of just sitting at home with your certificates without doing anything. So you can start this podcast. And in fact, podcasts are doing really well and they're paying. They're really paying instead of just, you know, not making advantage of what you have. And that's really important because anyway, sometimes people sit down and wait for jobs. You have the skills, you have the education, you have technology. You can do something, but people want to sit and relax and be told, here is the company, this is the job, come in at eight and leave at five PM. Do you think that's going to change in the next few years? Victor, do you think we're going to have traditional work in the next five to 10 years? Okay, I think, yes, there are careers you cannot avoid. For instance, you cannot be an engineer online. So, but for most of these jobs, you can work from where you are. A lot of that is changing. We saw from the time COVID came, COVID was an eye opener. So after COVID, that is when people realized maybe I have a day job, but I need something extra. I need extra savings. I need what? So they just decided to start something online. You'll find that people are selling Nyanya online. But when you meet them, they are managers. They are managers in their companies, but they are selling Nyanya. This Nyanya came because now the management was not needed. So they have a client somewhere, they started making Nyanya and then they realized I can make money with this. So you see, so I think the interest is really changing and the job market, most of it is going online. We have even companies hiring people and they are not paying office space for them. So it's getting cheaper for them if you can work from wherever you are. So it's even cheaper for them and it's safer. It might change for some industry. Sabrina, do you agree with that as well? I do agree because I think as time goes by, this digitalization is really important and even things like treating people, hospitals, there is a time that will come and you can literally, you can have a one-on-one conversation or a progress with your doctor. They'll be able to just check on your progress when you are at the comfort of your home. So I guess as Victor has said, there are careers of course you can't avoid, but mostly I tend to believe we are going to move on the digital side. And you see, as you said that, I know of some court cases that happen purely online. They do not have time to come to court and do this. Imagine joining a Zoom meeting and at this time, that's when you start. So when you think about the judiciary system, something that's so serious, moving towards the online space, then so many industries are also most likely going to move into the same space. And why is it that during COVID, that's when people realize we can work from home? Because before that, we had this digital spaces. E-commerce was still alive and well. But I feel like since 2020, that's when people decided or realized that we can do these things from home without having to come to the office every day and even make sales. Sabrina, why do you think that is the case? For me, I think people never expected such a thing like COVID will ever happen. So the fact that it happened and everyone was forced to stay at their homes and work, you know, I'm sure that even people who learned how to use Zoom during that time, trust me, because they're used to office work eight to five years in the office. But because this COVID came, the government made people, you know, stay in their homes and work has to be done, you know. So that is, I guess that is why not people realize they now have to utilize this digital platforms and all that. So I guess COVID was good. I guess it was good. Yeah, so there was some benefit to it because it made people realize we have to change our perspective because the world was so fixated for so long on a particular way. And maybe it had to happen for people to realize we can change. As you also said, for there are people who are comfortable with their one job. But then the minute you lose your job, you realize I have a firm by the way we should go. At some point, I even saw people, as you said, people selling yanyan everything. I saw some grocery shops telling you they'll deliver to your doorstep using that. If it's Nyama, they will deliver. Right now, you see, we have even food, drinks, everything brought to our doorstep because of the digital space. Now I wonder how can we really harness this? Because particularly you, Victor, you do so many things online. Could you just touch on some of the things that you do and how you're able to really tap into the clients using your social media platforms or the online presence that you have? Okay, for me, now, okay, first of all, like I said, you'll need a skill. So with my skill now, I can go online and advertise this, the service that I offer. And maybe a client will want proof of what I do. They might tell me, send me the jobs you've done, send me these, send me these, I guess through online. I've not met the clients. I'm able to send that. So the client can see what I've done. They can see if I'm up to the task. And then that's when you get jobs. And again, these are the, sometimes you work for people who are not even here. So the same thing, they'll want to see your portfolio. They'll want to see what you've done, what you've delivered, what you've accomplished. And then after that, they can hire you through their online platforms where you can go sign in, put your credentials, create a portfolio, and then someone else from somewhere, they'll hire you because of your work. Yeah, they'll hire you because of your work, not knowing you, not ever meeting you. Yes, so you get jobs. But because they see your job. And do you think that also has helped? Because you know, in the past, you could see, you could know a plumber. The whole estate has been using this one plumber. So because of the referral, and everyone knows him, they'll use him. But then you've never seen his work. So you're not sure if he's actually good at it or not. In those cases, you'd find some people are not as good as they are said to be. But then if you can see the work that someone has done before, and then you evaluate based on that, then it makes it more credible. They can trust you more. Because you know, there are those experiences in it, there's that one electrician, everyone goes to that one electrician, but he's not that good. So it makes it easier to even vet people. And Sabrina, you've mentioned, you've given us one example of how people can really tap into opportunities online. You've talked about podcasts, and those have been growing so much in the recent past. Could you tell us, as someone who's practicing media or someone who just wants to start, they've not even gone to school because they probably don't have the resources, but they're interested in the field. What would you advise them to do to get into the digital space and even monetize some of their platforms? What I would advise them is, first of all, for you to be in the media industry and all that, one thing you need to stay informed. You always have to source for information and all that. If you want to venture into that career and maybe you want to continue, you need to be informed. You need to have the market maybe in future. You'd want to start your own media platforms or your own podcast, as I had said. So for me, I'll advise them always have information, always source for information that will always give you experience so you're able to know, to have a variety of what to choose from. Because in your media, you have to be on top of everything. You have to know what's going on, who has done what, what has happened, where. So you need that. That's the first step. When you have the information, then you can be able to use it to benefit you. But now what platforms? Because I have information, I have content, I have skills. Where do I go to really put myself out there? Victor, where did you start from and what platforms have really given you more visibility? Okay. We have, okay, depending on what you do, because this, this is so broader, it will usually depend on what you do. If you're a designer, there are places where you go to find work for designers. If you are writer, there are places you go to find work for writing. So it will, first of all, it will depend on what you do, the skill that you have. And then once you have that skill, you can even, it's so easy, you can just Google online where you can find these jobs and maybe, depending, because there are very many, so you'll get maybe the best you can do, the easiest, the easiest to start. Because if you choose the top tier one, it'll be very hard for you if you're a beginner. You see, so you take the easiest to start. And then once you start, it's very easy to grow, because the problem is usually starting. When you're starting, that is when you have to learn how these people want their work, because everyone has their rules. Yes. If I come to your company, Y254, be given guidelines. This is what you can do. This is what you can't do. If I go to somewhere else, they'll give me, even if it's the same industry. So it will depend with, you will first have to learn about how they want their work done. And then from there, you can start growing, growing. And then you start with small money, of course. And then once your experience is enough, you can get to big money. So I want us to circle back to that as well, because people want money, people want, I've started, I want 50K. So why are you not giving me 50K? But they don't understand that your portfolio, your skills build up over time. So we'll circle back to that and figure out how we can grow ourselves to be able to. Yeah. But Sabrina, what platforms are you mostly on when you want to consume podcasts? Or where do you frequent for your information? Because marining is crazy what you're telling the coach needs. So where do you go to get information? I'll say through Spotify, there's variety of podcasts, variety international, local. So according to what makes your heart happy, if you're international, of course you go for international, but if you're local, there's always everything for everyone on the digital space. That is what I'll say. So for me, Spotify, if I want to listen to podcasts, because I really love podcasts and also YouTube, YouTube, I use YouTube mostly for my tutorials. If I want to cook something, YouTube or TikTok, you know, the videos are there and it makes it really easy instead of, you know, reading these recipe books and all that. Yeah. And by the way, YouTube has raised so many of us. I feel like we need to be paying fees to YouTube. Don't say that. Maybe that's why they decided to bring the premium option, by the way, because YouTube has a wealth of information. I feel like whatever you need, you can get it on YouTube. If you want to build a car from scratch, you will get it. So I feel like that's also important to highlight because there are some people who, as I've said, there are people who don't have resources to even pay for university, take classes or do this or that to gain skills. Start from where you are. If you have access to the internet, just go on YouTube or do a Google search and figure out how you can learn particular skills. Or, you know, the times when, honestly, you may know something, but you need to confirm. Let me switch on myself. Okay. Powerpoint. Powerpoint is my kryptonite. I can never, like, the basics, yes. But when you tell me to do functions, I forgot that back in primary school. So it's easy for you to really access information like that from platforms like YouTube. But where else can we learn? Because now, Victor, let's assume you went to school four or five years ago and the skills keep changing and the industry is advancing. How do you maintain or how do you keep up with the industry as it's changing and transforming? Okay. Depending on what you do, like, for instance, depending on your interest and what you want to do, the e-space is good because now we have personalities we can follow. If, for instance, you want to know how to build cars, you should make sure Elon Musk is on your list because he's on the front. They are financing these engineers to do the best cars. So you need to make sure that they are in case of, depending on what you do, so they are blogs, they are podcasts. Because even podcasts teach people how to make money. Yeah. So they are podcasts, they are blogs, they are websites, like they are websites, for instance, for universities. Like right now, the same thing, you can be learning tutorials from Harvard University. It's not here, you're just finding videos online. And this was a lecture given by a, given from Harvard and now you're able to access the information here. So depending on your interest, you can find anything you need. So it's all on the internet. Yes, yes. I like that because I can imagine if we told someone back in 1950 that there's going to be this one site that's, it's not even a physical site, it's just somewhere, but you can access it from anywhere and it has all the information that probably call us sorcerers. But it's been so convenient that we can find all this information online. Now Sabrina, do you think it's important to follow particular personalities? As he's mentioned, Elon Musk is one, he's very prominent in engineering, with so many things actually in the tech space, he's very, very popular. So do you think it's also important for us to follow people who we know are good at particular things, so that we can take something from them? It is very important. There's something called online mentors. That is somebody who is, you know, is someone you look up to. So for me, as I'm practicing, you know, media, this, that one media personality that I look up to, that I love how they do their things, I love how they organize their work and it's good to follow people because you get more experience. Of course, you need to start from scratch. Also for them, they also have mentors. Nobody always, you know, starts from the top. They also had mentors who mentored them to get to where they are. So it is very important to have online mentors because they tell you what to do and you'll be able, you know, to emulate what they are doing. And I guess from there, you're able to build yourself. Yeah, we need online mentors. We need them. Yes. And I think that's also important as you've brought it up because we've had conversations about following the right people online. Sometimes people just follow anyone because maybe I like how this person looks. I like the lifestyle, but you need to curate a list of people who you actually aspire to be like and someone you can learn from. Let's go back to people who do not even know how to access or they don't want because the people who have the internet, they have smartphones, they may even have Wi-Fi connected, but they can't even type. How do I write a CV? How do we help people like that? How can someone like that? Victor, what would you tell someone like that considering you've been on the online space for so long and there's someone who might have internet access, but they're not really aware of the assets that are on the internet? Okay. You know, now the challenge with that is that it starts from inside. Some of us, because we like what we're doing, we like we want to pursue something and it's really important that we do it. But now for someone who's just sitting and waiting, I think they are well off. I don't think it's a space for everyone because like you said from the beginning, there are people who are waiting for jobs and sometimes you don't blame them. You can even it even comes from the parents, from the surrounding they are in. So you are there, maybe you're even 40 years, you don't have a job and everyone is okay with you. But in some other families, you cannot even get to 18 and you're not thinking of what you want to do. So I think it will depend, that is more of society, but I think if you want to do something, there's always something for everyone and no matter what, if you want to go online, you can go online. There are even services where you go, you're paid as a therapist, you're not a therapist. You're paid, you just listen to someone, it's an online meeting, you just listen to their problems and you're paid. Can you imagine that? Like actually thinking you're speaking to a therapist, when the whole time it's just Sheryl chilling there and listening to, I feel like, oh my god, it's so sad. But yeah, it's made it so easy for everyone to access any opportunity. Yes. I did not really expect that because you know the this day is especially with the mental health conversation that has been there. There's so many apps and platforms that have come about where people go online and you speak to someone and you think it might be a professional, combates like Wikipedia, whole time it can do, it's just someone with info and they just share it online, which honestly if you're not maximizing or exploiting these opportunities then I have no idea what you're doing because it makes it so easy. You can be a psychology student, you can be training but then you're making money online actively by not even doing the most. You don't have to go to an office, get a space or something like that. Now let's get into the money because you mentioned money and honestly, there are so many people who have even worked with, who will tell you make you this is someone who doesn't even have experience. They do not have a plan B, there's no other job aside from that one. How do you get to Gitu Ma, Ujiambia, watch any end at you need gain experience? Sabrina, how do you Gitu Ma to the point to say for this few years, let me just gain experience and then the money will come? For sure, if you need that money, you need to have something to give to the people, you just can't rise up and directly go there giving people things that you've not researched on, you don't have a good understanding of them. So I'd say you first have that self-will of knowing what you really want to put out there and I'm sure when you put something good out there, something good will always market itself, even without you knowing. It might start from a little bit but with time people at least you get a larger audience and that is how you get maybe more money in the process but you just don't start and money pop. Because people expect by the way, yeah and I'm not in any way refining even the doctor's strike because I know some of the issues with that is the money because genuinely the people who've earned that because of the training and everything they've put in but if you do not have the experience then you have to start small. Victor, when you were starting out how long did it take you to make let's say 25,000? 25,000, one job or cumulatively? I don't know maybe one job maybe do I need to join the industry? Okay like she said actually it will depend on how good you are because of course you offer value the money the people want value if you're good at something people will pay for it and again if you're good at something of course there is issue of demand you'll have demand and when you have demand you can really choose the jobs to take the jobs not to take so the issue of money where I made 25,000 I don't know I think by the time I was by the time I'm doing maybe maybe the third month fourth month yeah because you don't just start with making money yeah you have to start and then you learn there are things you learn in the job yes you cannot be well prepared unless you're in the job because every day you're learning something new yeah even if you have 10 years experience if you're up for it you'll always learn something new and sometimes even from your juniors even from someone who just who just has an idea and that is why I think even the big companies they try to poach new talents yeah you'll find even the companies the phone companies in Kenya going to the to the universities they they do some expo there and then there's hackathons there's what they're trying to tap new talent before you come to the industry and then you sell this idea come to us faster and you see I think that that was very important to highlight because I don't think anyone starts from the first time and they make money unless they have either support it's not self-made so many other factors that could influence that but if you're really starting by yourself from scratch as you've said you have to learn and grow slowly would you tell people like that how can they pace themselves especially let's say media personalities who are really they've looked for jobs in traditional media houses so they opted to create content and put it online see what they can find what will you tell them about the patience of building up slowly before they get to a place where I'll say one for you to you know get to that outer space and people recognize you it's good first to once you do your own research it's good to always bring content that is not familiar with everyone else that is one thing that can make you at least you know propel you and another thing you need to have that understanding of okay this is this is what I'm going to bring out to the people is it something that has ever existed and if it is existing I can maybe diverge a little bit you know people love you know new things you know we are used to this at least give us a different version of whatever we are used to so I guess being unique in the content I mean in the digital space is very important just have a unique content don't do what everyone else is doing because everyone else is becoming a youtuber you just wake up and you just feel like okay hi guys I need to show you my lifestyle you know today we are going to this place this is my house tour I just give us a different content we are used to that yeah and I think that's also important because everyone wants to do the same thing and pop out and be like yeah we're doing lifestyle we're going to this restaurant today but there are ten thousand other people doing the same and as much as there's still space in the industry you need to have a new perspective if you're going to the restaurant then what are you doing like you see the way I I think okay I don't know if I should I'll mention it but there's this lady who really eats you know oh my and she and you know mukbangs have been there since 20 suju words but she came in with a new perspective that people are like hi yeah okay we need to watch her so if you have nothing more to offer then maybe you should re-evaluate your plan and figure out what should I do now let's talk about the challenges because the online space is so it's so vast it has so many opportunities but there's some challenges that come with the digital space as well victor could you share some of the challenges you've encountered through your journey okay so okay so when when you're starting first of all it's not easy to just start and then you get the the the fame you need maybe the the the clients you need the niche you're looking for it's it's not it's not that obvious so when you're starting it's when it's hard because you first of all there are things you learn there so the more you're doing the more you're getting better the more you know how to to interact with these clients because you realize this is a business so in business you'll have times where if the client is not pleased by what you did so how do you handle it you find that maybe the time liner they they needed the job but this time and then where were my petition time how do you handle it how do you make sure this client doesn't go away they always come back so there are things you learn and it's the challenges always come up there are new challenges every day but I think when you have an open mind and you're willing to learn you can always overcome them you can always grow from them you can always know how to do things better and easier because even with time you learn a job that could take you maybe two hours if you have experience it will take you 30 minutes and then it's perfect you see yeah yeah so as you've said every day is just a learning lesson because how are you behind the scenes I would just love the whole night trying to figure out one small detail yeah sure yeah Sabrina what would you say you think of some of the challenges that eco mass is facing I'll say especially for these people that do their work online I feel there are people who still up to date they don't trust online you know shopping yeah like for me as much as I said I do online shopping there are things I can't buy online especially electronics oh my god you know you can just see an iPhone out there and then so I don't think one challenge is I think they need to you know make people fully you know trust in what they are doing so I feel one of the challenges in that space is there's no trust as much as you feel like it's so good you know to shop at the comfort of your house you still have bats you know so that is something that with time I hope it will come to an end because also for me it's also affecting me that things I can't buy online as I've said yes and you know it's actually funny that she's mentioned that because right before the show I was telling a quillig of mine that now that I've seen the hair I can buy from that shop but without the referral yes there's no way and you know so many people have especially I've had so many stories of people who buy from even clothing brands and when I let you work it too it's so different you've ever seen what she saw versus what she bought yes and you're wondering he's in me me but then you know I also notice sometimes people don't read the description with electronics or see tree a funny child something woman he up on 30 centimeters woman a picture and you're wondering what's up so it's so tricky because it needs experience as well I feel like as a shopper for products particularly you need a lot of experience to be able to see the the reviews one of the details one okay maybe we can get this because I think for services it's a bit different with your portfolio then people can just trust it not really sometimes that I could not have two scams yeah like for your experience is you can buy a table and maybe it was a toy yeah but the online platform especially if you buy from okay there are people you cannot there is a website called wish.com there are other so people will put something that is so good looking you might think you're buying a car only that the price now it doesn't match the price of a car you see you bought a car yes but you cannot get here in a make sense you obey so I think there is another challenge even in the service industry you might find people advertising what they can't offer sometimes I would advertise someone would advertise a service only for them they are not the ones doing the service they have someone else to do the service and when they can't find this person that is good in it they are paid so they have to deliver so they'll end up finding someone that can do the job you know so even in the service industry you'll find there are people who are not reliable with what they are they are selling yeah and that's why the reviews are important they are very important okay by the way imagine to get some reviews because you know people can even steal your work yes and portray yeah and they say I've done this I've done that whole time when we back page a victor it's so scary when you think about it you know let me as we're winding up the conversation let me talk about these people who do not even have products because I'm aware there are people maybe they're selling shoes so they get them from a vendor and to me a picture they post when they get a buyer that's when they get the product so do you think that can help Sabrina do you think maybe someone who's starting out they don't have any income they don't want to invest in the resources do you think that's a very good option to start with yes it is a good option to start with because if someone is giving you their product you sell it in the in the process you might also end up getting your own skills and also maybe earning the little that maybe they are giving you for doing that work for them you might you know combine all that effort and just start your owner so it's a good option because the experience experience is very important in the digital space very important so I guess if you just do that little little you just gather all that money I guess they can start their own just a small shop and they go expanding from somewhere because I've seen a gentleman who used to be on tiktok selling bags he'd get them from gikomba and now he opened a shop I believe last month of the month before and that was from nowhere so many people are opting for that these days hey when you think about the expenses of buying products it's a good option to go that way so as we're winding up the conversation because little time we have to share and we have to wind up earlier Victor could you let us know first of all how you because you're an interior graphic and web designer there is a lot but I like that how would you advise someone who's also maybe getting into something similar or they're interested in maybe graphic and web design or even interior design what would you advise them to do what platforms can they access and how can they progress with their career especially online especially online so first of all if they are getting in the in the industry first of all they need to be passionate because design you know design is what you see you either like it or you hate it so you should be passionate enough right yeah you should be passionate enough so that whatever you you you you you'll give out there people will receive and then if it's if it's in the online space you need to have a lot of information a lot of information with the trends because these are things that changes every day even with the with the with the smartphones they are doing a new phone every time but most of what changes is actually the design yeah so performance will boost yes yes but mostly it's just the design they come up with a new design even if they stick to the same performance everyone will buy because it's something new so you need to be passionate you need to to research you need to know what is trendy you need to know what you can do that people can receive yeah and then from there now for the platforms for the platforms of course there are people you follow there are companies you follow there are pages you follow just just look for what you need because every designer is different look for what you need yeah i like that here we can't slalya this skills yeah i like that i hope you've taken that from home so sabrina will you also tell us what you'd advise someone to do about exploiting the opportunities online so as victor has said it's good to have a passion about a certain thing so if this is what you like it's good give it a trial and you never know you never know who is watching you you never know who is you know just viewing your page and whoever will like your page and you know they can recommend you to other people also it's not all about passion there are people who begin things online and they're not passionate they were not passionate about whatever they were doing in the start but in the in the process you gain the passion as people are able you know to interact with your content or whatever you're doing online that's very true because it has to start from you yourself you have to have the passion the drive and then people will recognize and i like what you've both said because niwa by the way it starts from you because once you start focusing on who is giving the feedback who is watching who is doing this and that then it's a lot of noise that can really make you miss out on the whole point so um i don't know if we have any comments uh timu if you can share that perhaps i can read them as we're winding up but my biggest takeaway from this conversation which i will give an advice you to do if you have a smartphone if you have access to the internet you can get any and everything that you need whatever question you have whatever information that you want to seek out it's very possible to get it online if you're at home you have some skills and you don't know where to start you've been looking for jobs and you're wondering nita toa pikazi start using your phone figure out the platforms that you can utilize and then you start from there because i believe all of us can really harness the digital platforms i like to think if you're spending three hours on instagram then it's very easy to convert two hours of that into something that you're making money from whatever platform it is facebook x tiktok all these platforms these days make it possible to monetize so i'd encourage you to really do that and um i hope you've enjoyed this conversation it's been very brief today because we have football airing right after this i hope you've enjoyed it i'm sorry i've been unable to sample your comments but we will do that next week i repeat of this will air tomorrow between 1 and 2 p.m and we will be here next week same time same place thank you so much for sticking to y254 tv this has been the power talk show and my name is sharyl blessing imagine