 Hello everybody, E here. E here. Welcome back to DanEcast with my co-host, Dan. Say hello Dan. We have a name this time. Yes, we actually have a name for the podcast or whatever this is. Before the last one we didn't have anything. No, we were thinking of silliness. I can't even remember what we talked about at the end. But today we are talking about Pet Cemetery. We are going to be talking about the book. We're going to be talking about the original movie. I think Mary Lombardo was the director. No, Mary Lambert. Lambert. That's it. Mary Lambert. Thank you for the fact check. And then the god-awful Jason Clark version. And then we might even talk a little bit about the sequel to the original one. We don't know, but I'm going to start right off with the main question. How did you feel about Pet Cemetery the book? I liked it. It was good. It didn't take the spooky Native American concepts that a lot of horror uses and make it too bad. It was like, it was fine. I liked it. So you're talking about the Wendigo. Yeah. It's funny because in the Dark Tower universe, well at least I do. In my Thursday Theorist series talk about how it's not actually the Wendigo. It's just what those characters thought was the Wendigo. And it was actually a thinny letting demons and what not in from the Dark Tower universe or the prim as it is in the Dark Tower universe. If you don't know, if you're just joining us and you didn't watch the last episode, this is a podcast kind of deal with me talking to Dan who is a newbie to Stephen King and I am a lifelong fanboy. So there was going to be spoilers throughout. We waited until the end of the last episode to actually talk about those spoilers. Actually before we even gave the spoiler warning we talked about spoilers beforehand but we'll try to stick to Pet Cemetery this time. Because we talked about what, Doctor Sleep and the Shining in the last one. So you liked it. Now there was, right off the bat you're talking about the Native American aspects. A lot of people got upset. I don't understand that. Well you haven't seen It Chapter 2 yet. No. A lot of people got upset because of the Native American aspects in that one. So we can't talk too much about that but people have gotten upset about and there is the ritual of chud in It the book that they don't do in the original It movie. We need to talk about that also but I mean the book's 1,100 pages. I'm not sure if you want to climb that mountain or not. Hi. So let's get back to Pet Cemetery. The original book is one of my, well there is only the original book but the book itself is one of my favorite Stephen King novels of all time. It's in my top 5 easily and one of the reasons it is is because it deals with grief so well. I don't want to get too dark with this episode but we recently had a death in the family. My mother, Dan's grandmother passed away. The book deals with grief in a very heavy, heavy way because like I said, spoilers. Halfway through the book, Gage, I think he's 5 or 4 or 5 years old in the book. I think he's like 3. I think he might be that young. He gets ran over by a truck. Because he's still having problems talking. He gets ran over. It's hard to judge because the movie's aged the kid a little bit more. No actually, that kid might actually be 3. I don't know. Gage is very, very young and he gets hit by a truck while the family's having a picnic. Leave no remains. Yeah. One of the most important parts, the themes of the book is dealing with grief. Or as, you know, burying your own. To talk about that a little bit more, that's one of the things that I felt the remake, the Jason Clark movie, got so utterly wrong. Because he didn't have to go and bury Rachel. Yeah. Rachel just... Who was it, Ellie? Yeah. Ellie went and buried her, right? Yeah. That remake is absolutely terrible. I know there's some bad acting in the original movie, but it's still pretty close to the book. What do you think? Yeah, it's fine. I mean, I don't like it, but I don't dislike it. It's fine. The original? Yeah. Okay, so what would you prefer out of all three? Let's leave the sequel out of this for a second. What would you prefer out of all three? Would you prefer reading the book again? Would you prefer watching the original movie? Or would you prefer watching the remake? I prefer the sequels because the sequel is crazy. It's just so dumb. It's fun to just enjoy. Yeah, it's absolutely that shit. When dude's sitting there trying to eat dinner and he's got duct tape around his throat trying to keep the food. Yeah, I love Cransea Bell. He's great. Yeah. So the original book is, of course, not ridiculous. It is very, very dark. One of the scenes that hit me the hardest was him actually digging Gage up. Yeah. The coming to terms with that he was about to do it. I don't think either one of the movies got this right, but him coming to terms with he was actually going to do this was one of the darkest parts of the novel for me. Of course, other than the little boy getting run over by a damn diesel truck. What were some of your favorite parts in the book? I liked Ellie a lot. She was well written. I liked the perspective coming from her and her reactions to different things. Gotcha. Ellie, there's a lot of discussion about this, especially when I did my Thursday theorist on these books, that Ellie had the shine. Yeah, duh. Yeah, because she sees Pascal, Pascal, whatever she calls him. Yeah, she literally has the dream about Louis. I got his name right this time. Not Louis. Louis Creed. She literally dreamt about him. What did she dream? I just know she saw. I think she just had a nightmare. No, I'm pretty sure the dream was like she saw what he was going to do. I think she tells Rachel about, you know, it's been so long since I read the actual book. I know in the movie that she just tells Rachel something's going to happen. Yeah, and she's freaking out at the airport. Yeah. But I'm pretty sure she has a dream about what he's going to do. She doesn't know. No, she has a dream before he actually does it. I'm pretty sure. Oz, the great and terrible. You know, as funny as that sounds, it is one of the scariest like part segments. When you actually know the context for it, it's like, oh, that's ugly. I don't want to think about Oz, the great and terrible. No, no. It's not good. All right, so here's an interesting question for you. When you first saw the title of Pet Cemetery, did you realize that there was a misspelling? No. No? I'm stupid. I just corrected it in my brain. I'm like, yep, that's Pet Cemetery. It's a cemetery with animals. Yep, that's normal. Well, that's fine because there was a big discussion when the book first came out and whether or not the spelling was actually intentional. Whether or not this man who had five... You read the book. You know that it is. ...who had four other books. But I mean, these are people that heard about the book before it could be read. Oh, yeah. Okay. So you had this man who had published four very successful novels up to this point. You had Carrie. You had Salem's Lot. You had The Shining and The Stand. Not to mention his short story collection, Night Shift, people still thought that it was a misspelling on his part. There's also... There is a little bit of... There's something that lends credence to this. When they first published... The Creed. Yeah. Ha ha. Badooms. When they first published Salem's Lot, they got the name of the father, the pastor, priest, whoever he is, Father Callahan. They got his name wrong on the book jacket. Oh. They called him Father Cody. Thanks. And they also got the price wrong. So they had to... The very first edition of the book... I can't remember how many are left right now. But that edition of the book is worth thousands, of course. But it has the... I think it's $6.95 price tag instead of $7.95. I could be wrong. If you know the difference, let me know down there in the doobly-doo. But they had to cut that, change the price. And they had to change the father, Cody, to Father Callahan. Back to Pet Cemetery. Who is your favorite character throughout the book? I like Norma, but I like probably... That's the maid that hangs herself. Or who's Norma? That's Judd's wife. I'm sorry. Give me a second. The maid isn't even in the book! Yes, she is. No, she's not. Wait, no. Okay, she's not a maid. She's just a babysitter, right? Well, yeah. But I mean, she's still in the book. That character is actually... Okay, yeah. But she's very different. That character is... Not very different, but like she's different. She's not the same. You know, it's funny because they actually merged Norma and the maid, which I can't remember for the original movie. Yeah. Which I thought was very... I didn't like that. I would have preferred Norma. Yeah, I thought it was interesting. But if you don't know, Norma is in the book for a very short period of time, right? Well, she's like ha... She's like... I guess so. Isn't she alive when Gage dies? Yeah, maybe... No, no, no, no, no. Because it was her and then that was... I mean, it was the lead up. I'm pretty sure it's talked about in the book. But it's like, first you have her who's not family, but she's gotten pretty close to family. And not only do you have that, and then right after that you have Gage. I'm pretty sure... See, this is the problem with so many reboot movies and offshoots. You forget what happens and where. I can't believe they didn't put her in the new one. That's crazy. I mean, they completely flip-flop what happened in the middle of the book, too. But we'll talk about that eventually. Yeah, I do find it interesting that they merged the babysitter Nanny or whoever. They merged that person with Norma. And Norma isn't either one of the movies. Oh, but your name is Missy. And they keep the name. Yeah, that's right. It's like in the Heathers musical. They combine... Which is actually pretty smart because musicals, you know, they're musicals. They combine the fat girl that gets picked on by the Heathers. And the main character's friend, Veronica's friend, they combine her in the musical. It was actually very well done. Not in the pet cemetery's case. The last time I saw Heathers was when it first came out. I watch Heathers a lot. I love it. My sister took me to go see it. Okay, so my favorite character in the book is Pascal. Yeah, okay, yeah. Period. Over and done with. Pascal in the book is such a subtle character. Yeah. Whereas he is like the whole horror element in the movie up until a point. Like the whole horror is the death. And before... It's like... Before him, there's even still... And before he dies, which he dies very early, but before that there's still, like, at least for me, there's still already a bit of horror before he even dies. And Lewis has the sleepwalking. It's just like you have this huge road and then... Oh, that's another thing. I like the separation literally between the creeds and... What is it, Crandall? Yeah, Crandall. Literally, you have this new family, new to the entire state, and then you have this family who's been here their entire lives, separated by this huge road. I like how they're literally separated in that way. Well, that's cool. I never even considered that. Of course, this is horror 101. If you want to start off a horror novel, you take someone from the outside and bring them into a new environment. And that is the easiest way to set up a horror story. It's time and time again. I just got through reading Todd Keasling's Devil's Creek, and that one someone comes home. It can be done well. It can be done very, very poorly. I think it's done well in Pet Cemetery. Judd is probably my second favorite character. I like him a lot. The way the book opens, it brings up that Lewis was not expecting to find a father figure. Yeah, I liked that a lot. It was well introduced, and you can feel it before he even says it. The very first paragraph of the book says, Lewis Creed did not expect to find a father figure so late in life. I think that more so, and we're going to be bouncing back between the book, the movies, and the sequel, but one of the things that struck me so much in the book was the character development between Lewis and Judd. The original movie got that. I didn't find any of that in the reboot. There's another thing that I hated because Judd was more interested in Ellie than he was in Lewis. That's how I felt. Of course, I've only seen it once. I've seen the original movie multiple times. I've read the book at least three or four times. I still prefer the book over any of them because the original movie has some atrocious acting, especially when Dude wakes up to find his feet muddy. There's some bad, bad acting in that. But, anyways, back to the book. I want to continue on with the book. The defining moment of the book, of course, is when Gage gets hit by the truck and there's that separation of family. You have Ellie and Rachel go to stay with Rachel's parents. There's a lot of not really isolation but separation in this with the new family and the old family and then the separation in Lewis's family with Rachel's family. There's a lot of separation that I find interesting, especially for this story that deals with grief. The whole book is about separation. Yeah, it's about separation and isolation and how that just happens during grief because everyone handles it their own way. Some people go to other people but some of the other people, like Rachel, went to her family to deal with it. Well, no, because he kind of irked her anyways. I think she would have ended up going anyway. She was just waiting on his final approval because Dad punched him at the funeral. It's interesting how there is a good amount of characters but there is a lot of separation between them where you have Lewis alone in the house, you have Judd alone in his house, you have Rachel off in another state. It's interesting and I like how it takes the separation that grief can make while people are handling it and it makes it physical. It's the personification of grief. It's an actual separation from those people. It's not like your family is all in the same town but you're not visiting each other because of things going on. You're literally not even within the same community. I like how it really takes that and runs with it. Again, you mentioned at the beginning of the Carrie episode that Matilda and Carrie were pretty much the same plot. I never thought about that. They both take place in schools, especially. This is true but what I'm getting at is I never looked at the separation. Judds across the street, Lewis gets separated from his wife and kid and the whole family is separated from Gage and Church at one point in time. Oh yeah, that's another thing. Because they're undead, they're separated too because they have the spirit. Maybe you're onto something. Maybe the book is more about separation than it is about grief. I think it's about both because separation is kind of hard. The two pet cemeteries are separated as well. You have the Indian burial ground and you have pet cemeteries. Wow, okay. I didn't expect to get that deep but here we are. That's fantastic. Very well done, Dan. I saw a comment about my theory about why female authors especially can write such horrible female characters. I'm like, oh, I taught someone something. I taught someone something. I am amazing. There you go. Get away from the self-defication. Self-defication. Not for a while. Anyways, you're very smart. People are realizing that. Anyways, let's move on before we both get uncomfortable. Because neither one of us complements. Okay, come on. Back to pet cemeteries. I think the final thing I want to talk about with the book is how the book ends. I think the very last lines of the book and my buddy Cody agrees, it's the best final line of the entire book. Darling, it said. I love that. It's just three words. It's only two. The first of all, the eight. Second of all, at least I never heard her or noticed her saying, I never heard her call him Darling before. I may be like Babe and stuff like that, but I never heard Darling. That's another thing. Maybe she has called and Darling in the book, but you have that where never really hear her say that. It's out of character. And then, it. I love that. It's not Rachel, it is something else. And that's what I feel like both of the movies don't do a good job of explaining. And ironically, I feel like the sequel does a good job of explaining that. Because you have I forgot his name. He played Hank into Troika and Human. The Troika. Not Brown. Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown. He's already a jerk to begin with in the movie. But then when he comes back, he's so goofy and animated. And I find it funny that that movie, rather than the other two displays how the burial ground changes people. Because he changes like that. He goes from this abusive guy that's just generally horrible to this Clancy Brown. To this strangely goofy and animated characters. It doesn't represent the same way the book did, because the book made them very strange. But it doesn't represent it the same way, it still represents it well. It makes him goofy rather than like, I don't know what word I'm looking for. Well, one of the things the sequel, not the sequel, the reboot tried to do that with Ellie. But it was goofy in the book. If you actually go back and listen to Gage he's all different kinds of cocksuckers and all different kinds of things. He says all different kinds of wild shit. That's the only part that I don't like about the book. The book is a perfect experience. But I could get behind it. It almost felt like the spirit of the burial ground is this 13 year old that's trying to mess with you. 13 year old Edge Lord. It's not a win to go, it's a 13 year old Edge Lord. I kind of like how edgy it is. I found the parts with Gage to be far superior in the original movie. I think the book was goofy, I think the remake was goofy. Of course, I think the sequel is goofy. But it's goofy for all the right reasons. You got the dude with the duct tape neck. So much. The dude making love to the dog there for a little bit, the wolf when they're in bed together. There's some parts in there that make you say it's a fun experience. That's why I like it. It's kind of like the rage that we find that one in a goofy way. She grows like vines and her veins and shit. You can't even enjoy it because it's goofy. It's just plain bad. Talking about the entire book overall, I think Dan hit on some very good points which is I think it's more about separation now that I'm talking to Dan about. I think it's more about separation than it is about grief. Yeah, because it's more of an emotional separation. But there's more than just the grief in the book. Like you were talking about. It's not more about grief than it's not more about separation than grief because in a way separation is just another part of grief because in grieving you often separate, some people will go to people for emotional support but other people will separate it and deal with it and then they'll be fine. So that separation is still a part of the themes of grief. But at the core you have to have separation before you can have grief. I guess so, yeah. Yeah, because you have to lose something before you can grieve its loss. I don't know. If you guys disagree let me know down there in the doobly-doo. Of course, me and Dan should be down there Sunday. We're talking to you guys. One of the things the last thing I want to talk about with the book, unless you have something else that you want to talk about there's a scene in the book with the Wendigo or with what Lewis thinks of as the Wendigo. It feels like the forest is alive. I loved that scene. I loved that too. It's like horror books don't really affect me just because I'm very visual but that actually creeps me out. That's one of the scariest parts of the book. Just him trying to go out there because he's alone. He doesn't have Judd with him this time. But also at the same time it's like the spirit or whatever it is, is trying to get him to stop. Which I thought was amazing. You have both the... It's like, hey, you can go up here if you want but if you're a coward if you're a coward But you would think that it would want him to come. It would want him to do this so that because there's a lot of theories that the thing in the woods is a thing that possesses the people when they come back. I thought that was clear. I thought that was supposed to be not a theory. It's still not cement in the book. There's no guaranteed but there are people who think that there is a different spirit because he's not actually to the burial ground. It's almost as if something is trying to scare him off before he even gets there. So that's where people come to the crossroads of separating those two entities. There's one for the good and one for the bad. There's one trying to keep him away and there's one trying to keep him pushing on and on and on. So what do you think at the end of the day? I know you haven't read the Dark Tower series. That's kind of the point of this whole discussion is talking to a newbie talking to an old head. Do you actually think you know the when to go allure? What do you think is out there? Just speculate. This is what I do with Thursday Theorist. I just come up with odd bullshit off the top of my head. So you play Theorist for a second. What do you think is out in the woods? Because of the actual when to go stories and mythology, I don't believe that it's a when to go because the one to go is also about isolation in a way because of cannibalism but it's about cannibalism. It is the same thing where it possesses the person who resorts to cannibalism but I don't believe that it's a when to go. I just believe it's just some mad spirit. Now, do you think that the Native Americans oh, I wish I could remember. It's not the me. I almost said me. Thank you. The McMack Indians. Do you think that they knew about this or do you think that it is something from their, let's say Native American magic? Do you think they created or do you think that they just knew about it? They probably just knew about it honestly. Okay. So let's talk about these movies right quick right here. Yeah. So the original one is lambasted all the time for being utterly corny and goofy. I disagree. I still find it a hell of a horror movie. Yeah. It's a very upsetting movie. Yeah. I find it more of like a movie you watch to be upset and not a movie that you watch to get a scare. I don't really consider it a horror movie. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think there's more long lines of dread and emotion than there is more like horror. What would you call it like a drama? Yeah. It's a horror. It's on the edge. It's a horror drama. It's definitely a horror drama because it's more about the characters than it is about the books. Yeah. Same as like Carrie too. Oh definitely. I mean that's all Steve. I did a video about my top five unpopular opinions about popular authors and I actually said that I don't think Stephen King's a very good horror novelist. No. No. And the reason I say that is because all of his books are about characters. You can strip away the horror completely and you still have a story. You still have drama. You still have a wonderful story. You can take all the supernatural, like Shawshank Redemption, The Green Mile, all these things that he did that aren't really horror people still like because it's always about the characters with him. Yeah. And that's why I like him because I like, that's why I'm not a big fan of slashers. Yeah. And when I do like slashers I like things where it's like Friday the 13th where it's like pretty good written characters. Like I like characters. I don't like just a story and that's why I like him so much there are characters and not just like shells. Yeah. They're not cardboard cutouts. Yeah. They're not just players on the stage to get things done. They feel like they're human beings. Yeah. And that's a good point, you know, even with horror novels like Hereditary it's such a fantastic film because it's about the characters. Yeah. And that's also about grief. Right. Not as much separation. But I also, and I don't want to get into the realm of elevated horror here, but there's a huge difference between a horror drama like Pet Cemetery and let's say Friday the 13th. Yeah. Friday the 13th you're supposed to have fun. Nightmare on Elm Street. I almost said before Christmas. Nightmare on Elm Street. Supposed to have fun. Even Halloween to a point is supposed to be fun. Yeah. I mean even in the original the chick goes cross-eyed as she's being strangled and you gotta laugh. Yeah. But those slasher films I see that more like a roller coaster ride. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Whereas something like, I don't even know what to compare it to. That's why I don't like Friday the 13th. Yeah. I love it, but hey, varying opinions and all that. But then you have a completely different type of horror. I don't consider Friday the 13th horror. That's why it's called a slasher film. Yeah. It's not horror. It's a slasher film. It's meant to be fun. You're there for the blood, gore, blood guts and asses I like to call it. That's what you're there for. Whereas with something like Pet Cemetery you were there to be creeped out or you were there to be emotionally upset. Yeah. Emotionally shaken to your core. That's why I like very off track, but that's why I like meh I always say Mag 7 just to shorten it. It's a cowboy movie. Magnificent 7. Magnificent 7, yeah. I haven't watched the original movie but the ending of the remake shook me and that's why I love that movie. I haven't seen either one. I haven't on DVD. I don't have you on. What's his face is in it? Chris Pratt. He's in the remake, isn't he? What were you talking about? The guy that's the dad of the chick from Stranger Things. Even Hawk. Loa to Jersey. Okay. So back on track, we got to talk about the movies. We got to. So the original film I had Dan sit down and I said, you're going to watch this. What were your initial thoughts after you got done? Because I had touted it as like an actually scary movie. We had watched several slasher flicks up into that point and you were like nah dude this ain't it. But when we watched Pet Cemetery, how did you feel? It wasn't scary. It wasn't. Okay. It was a It was okay. It was okay. It did its role. It made me upset when it needed to and it was okay. It wasn't good. It was okay. Did I ever tell you the story about what happened to me the first time I saw it? I think so. I forgot. The peeing in the back of the car? Oh yeah. Just to, if you haven't seen my top five Stephen King books of all time what happened with me is I was nine years old when the original Pet Cemetery came out and I just happened to peek between the seats. It was my mother and her friend Andrita and I just happened to peek between I had to pee. I was going to tell her that I had to pee. I peaked between the seats right as Zelda came up out of the bed. It was that scene I literally peed all over myself. I'm like full bladder and everything because I had a soda and I just completely filled up the foot well, not filled up. It wasn't that much piss. Get your minds out of the gutter. It's cramped down here. There was a lot of pee though. That's so that my mother commented on the smell before she even knew what had happened. So yeah, I peed myself. I was nine years old. Get off my back. But that's one of the most frightening things I've ever seen in my life still to this day. It is very scary. It's very well done makeup. It is, that's... And it's a dude. It's a dude playing that role. I'm just saying it doesn't look like a dude to me. It just looks like I don't know what it looks like. Exactly. That's the point. Looks like an alien. Some kind of freaking shit. And they did it very well to represent... I honestly I feel like they did a very good job representing what little Rachel might have saw. And what she still sees because she saw that when she was so little. The camera angles. Yeah, that's what I was saying. They did so well with that. She's looming over the camera almost. And they added the dumb waiter into the scene. We're going to get to that in a second. And then she's all in the things. There's so much wrong with the reboot. But we'll get there eventually. One of the main things I liked about... People riff on this all the time. They rip it apart. But the scene where Lewis grabs up Gage from the road and just fucking screams. He's not a good actor. That was really really well done. That's my thing with this movie. It's not a good movie, but it has good scenes. So that's why it's just okay. But on top of that, it's hella faithful to the book. It is extremely... The faces at the end get me though. But even at the very end Now Gage... I like the faces rather than the because that's what I feel it is. I don't feel like it's the Wendigo because it's different from what is in those woods. I feel like it's some spirit that's been around for a while. Yeah. I agree. But one of the things that I think that the book and the reboot got wrong was the kid coming back. I think Gage is the most terrifying in the original movie. No fair and things like that. I like how he's... I like the book where it's so extremely edgy. It almost feels like this spirit is just taunting him. But I also do in the first movie how he's this strange it's like there's two spirits. They did that well. It's like you have this baby but you also have this strange entity. So it's a very unnerving mix how he uses in the voice suit, how he's so childish but at the same time terrifying. He's a very good creepy kid. Oh yeah. The kid... and you were talking about what else he was in. He was in New Nightmare. What else was he in? He was in Something with Christina Hendricks and Chloe Grace Moretz. That was recent too. Yeah, 2014. They were both in Stephen King movies. Interesting. I thought it was Jessica Chastain that was in It. Jessica Chastain was in It. Christina Hendricks is in Mad Men and Good Girls. Yeah, but what's Stephen King movie was she in? No, Chloe Grace Moretz. Okay, I get you. So the kid that was in Pet Cemetery and Chloe Grace Moretz. I thought you were saying nevermind. No, not Christina Hendricks. I don't want to do this anymore than you do. We got to talk about the reboot. We got to. The viewing experience from Pet Cemetery to Doctor Sleep was so different because Doctor Sleep was so amazing. She saw him almost back to back by the way. Doctor Sleep was like, whoa, look at all this great acting and the visuals and the sound. Wow, so amazing. And then you have Pet Cemetery. You got the whole squad laughing. Disney XD Night of Fests. I'm sorry. I watched a whole lot of Disney XD because Dan was into it. And I couldn't help but sit there and was like, this looks like an episode of Zack and Cody in the dark. Oh my God, you're right. Exactly. I was like, what the hell is going on here? This is such bad special effects. I was so mad. Jonathan Lithgow did an okay job as Judd, but everyone else was so awful, terrible. The kid had bad directing. No, Ellie had bad directing. She could have done a good performance. Which she's laying in the bed with her zombie makeup and she's like, ah. I just couldn't. I was, I think, I think I was so mad. I was so mad in the theater. I just sat back and like, fuck. I thought for sure it was going to be good like it. We had gotten it chapter one. It was amazing. Then we got Pet Cemetery. And you got it chapter two. What's happening? Everything's going wrong. And we almost didn't go see Dr. Sleep because of this. But then finally it was at the chief theater. The entire theater was empty too, so we could just scream about it the whole time. I was like, oh it's so good. And that was good because we couldn't shut up. I was like, this is so good. Why is this so good? I can't believe that we got three Stephen King movies I think in one year's time. At least two, at least like 14 months at least. But before it chapter one, we had the Dark Tower which you haven't seen yet. And you wouldn't even know why it's terrible. And then you had the Stupid Hulu Show too. Oh Castle Rock. We're in the minority. It was okay. It was fine. I didn't even finish our series Castle Talk with your mother because we were just like, no. You were talking about the comments and I was like, oh it's so good. He was deliberately ignoring you guys. I was deliberately ignoring you guys. He doesn't care about you. That's a lie. I was talking to Shella but I was like, I don't even want to talk about this jump. That one episode that focused on Sissy Spacic was amazing. Because of Sissy Spacic, that's why. But it had nothing to do with the rest of the show. They were like, oh god, we fucked up. I was like, just put Sissy Spacic in one episode. Don't make it better. Just give her a whole episode. Fuck it. You know how Breaking Bad had that one episode about the fly? Let's give Sissy Spacic one episode. And they were like, that'll do it. And I think... Yeah, Pipi loves Sissy Spacic. She was carried. She was carried. She was coal miner's daughter. She's amazing. She'll bring them in. She'll bring them back. It's like episode 7. They can't fuck off after that. What's his face? Look, we have two Stephen King actors. Okay, sorry about that. We have some technical difficulties, but we're back now. Okay, so we're talking about Castle Rock and Bill Skarsgard. Even at one point, Bill Skarsgard looked like he was like, I'm done with this show. I imagine he was, probably. Maybe he didn't get the full script. I don't know. But it feels like... It didn't feel like he put his all onto it, which is unfortunate, but I don't blame him. It also feels like halfway through they had only written so much. Yeah, that's exactly what it feels like. What are we going to do now? Pipi Spacic in more. It's okay. Oh no, don't kill her. Oh, what did you do? Just put Pennywise in it more. Just put more Pennywise. People love Pennywise. He's actually a race swap of the main character. It's okay. It's all right. But yes, Castle Rock, we haven't even watched season 2, and I hear there's going to be a season 3. Talk about beating a dead horse. I mean, and it's funny... Apparently people actually didn't like season 2. Well, it's funny because they tried to make old racist, evil, Annie Wilkes into a likable character. You haven't read Misery yet. You need to read Misery. It's one of his shorter books. But the main character from that, we'll do an episode on that too. We'll have you watch the movie and whatnot. And also, I want to do Hunger Games next episode. I want to read Hunger Games and then talk to you as you being the old head and me being the newbie. So we'll go ahead and swap that. It's happening right now! All right! Keep politics out of the show! No! Screw you! No! Keep it tight, Slark Politics. Thank you. Going back to Pet Cemetery. We get off on tangents. It's like you guys are actually sitting here listening to us bullshit back and forth. Wow! We talked about the absolutely terrible I don't even want to talk about it anymore. The reboot. And we even talked about the sequel because Dan likes the sequel. It's so dumb! But it's so much fun. And of course, the only reason that Edward Furlong was even in the movies because he was writing the Terminator 2 training and he got the role. He had too much more. Last episode was 45 minutes. This episode is 42 minutes. Dan, is there anything else that you want to talk about Pet Cemetery or anything else you want to talk about Stephen King related at all? You don't know. Oh! The similarities between Rachel and Wendy. Why are they the same character? Especially in their surroundings too. I think they're both... I'm not trying to throw in any shade at Tabitha King but I'm pretty sure both of them because I've seen interviews with her and she does rather sound kind of like both Rachel. They don't put up with too much bullshit from their husband but they're still going to put up with some bullshit. And that's pretty much Tabitha. I mean, you can't have a cocaine alcoholic husband for so many years and not be able to put up with some bullshit. So I think both of them are... But of course I don't know Tabitha as a person. Not only are they as characters extremely similar but also in their surroundings. They have their husband who's doing God knows what. They have their shining kid. You do realize that you're kind of talking about me here because I'm an author too. You got the husband who who does God knows what because at least in the shiny he's an author. I find that funny. But go ahead. Husband's doing God knows what and going a little crazy. Husband's doing kid. You got this weird environment that's probably haunted. Definitely haunted. There's no probably. That's pretty much every single horror thing that involves a family when you think about it. We could go down the list. Amityville horror. We could go way back to the way back. Oh my God. All the female characters are the same. This is so good. Unfortunately. That's continued on into new horror too because Paul Tremblay's head full of ghosts has all three female characters. Both sisters and the mother are pretty much the same exact person. Yeah. That's why I like The Last of Us. Instead of the usually in horror the caring tending very parental character is a woman or a mother but in The Last of Us it's Joel, a very man. Sorry. Joel full of pudding. Oh my God. Sorry. I couldn't help it. That's an inside joke. I do apologize. If you don't have anything else to say about pet cemetery I guess we're going to wrap it up here. Are you cool wrapping it up there? Okay. 45 minutes for both episodes. That's kind of weird. My OCD is happy. My OCD is happy. Until next time we meet again. Please say goodbye. I'll talk to you guys later. Bye bye.