 Oh Is live we live we live hang out on air is live we're live Nikolee Hello Jenny has like every time we go live magically transformed herself into a logo Whoa, yeah You should sell that technology. I'm telling you she should use her powers for good All right, we're recording I'm ready to go you ready to go. Yeah, let's light this candle Okay, Google How can I support daily tech news show? You can show your support for daily tech news show by donating to their patreon visit patreon.com Slash Aster Tech. That's patreon.com slash a c e d t e T This is the daily tech news for Wednesday, October 1st 2014 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Nikolee senior editor of social and internet for engadget and Sometimes reporter on the Internet of Things a Nicole Yep, that's me Thank you for joining us today. It's good to have you And we're gonna talk a little bit about some of the big announcements We had a couple big announcements in the past two days Google well nest actually talking about thread And you were covering arms big announcement about embed. Yeah So we'll get to that in a moment, but let's start off with the headlines Bloomberg Business Week reports malware targeting the iOS and Android devices of Hong Kong Demonstrators has been discovered security company. La Coon discovered an Android app purporting to help activists coordinate protests But was really malware in tracing its activities La Coon discovered malware designed to steal information from jail broken iOS devices Not just the Android version the malicious programs can apparently access your contacts text messages call logs pictures and even your keychain Which will get them into things like email Microsoft revealed an upcoming addition to office called sway Which can automatically make you Sway know it I can automatically assemble and format presentations. They're called sways Not sure about this name and but they are kind of cool-looking multimedia animated interactive presentations that live within a web Container so you can create publish and view from any connected device with access to one drive You do store all of these things in one drive sway can pull from any website, too That means you can just drag and drop stuff from Facebook and Twitter and since it's web-based it works across platforms If you make a sway you can still show it on iOS Android or pretty much anything else that connects to the web I think you'll find yourself trying out any sways Nicole Will it a lot will it need me to actually sway because not probably do you think we will see a lot of Patrick Sway Z-based sways I Hope so I do hope so It puts Microsoft in the core Bloomberg reports Johan Casper Hamburg's privacy watchdog ordered Google to limit how it combines user data in 2012 Google changed its privacy policy to unify it and data collection across all properties The unification of that data collection is what worries Casper because it could be misused to compile detailed movement patterns Detect the social and financial status friendship sexual orientation Relationship status of users Casper said users must have the ability to determine how their data is used TechCrunch reports Facebook's VP of product Chris Cox posted on Facebook today Apologizing on behalf of the company for any hardship caused by Facebook's real names policy Controversy began when a single user flagged hundreds of Facebook pages of drag queens for using fake names Using their drag queen names the pattern wasn't noticed because it was lost among thousands of reports for fake names that Facebook deals with every day Cox said Facebook will improve its Chools for dealing with reports as well as provide more deliberate customer service to flagged accounts So they can better tell the bullies from the people who have a legitimate reason for using the name to use You know, it's the thing is though. They still want you to use at least a Like a name that you'd commonly go by like even even if it's not your legal name They still want you to you go by your the name that people know you buy, you know So it's you still can't call yourself like I don't know Captain Crunch or something. I have no idea. Well, I think if I read Chris Cox's post right if you go by Captain Crunch if you know if you're John Draper and you out there going by Captain Crunch You could call yourself Captain Crunch face, but that would be okay But if you're not like if you're you're not known as fruity pebbles You can't just decide on Facebook to start calling yourself fruity pebbles. I guess yeah I mean, it's it's cool and also, but you know, they still have this policy though Yeah, you have to your name has to be relevant outside Facebook is what you're saying. You can't just pick a username, right? TechCrunch reports that the Windows 10 technical preview is now available as a free download for those who want to test drive the new OS or help hunt bugs in early builds. I just installed it on a virtual machine right before the show I started installing it around 105 and I was done by 120 on a virtual machine with not a whole lot of RAM Not a whole lot of resources pretty impressive there You can either update a Windows installation if you're already on a Windows box You can choose just to update that installation or you can get an ISO Which is what I did and use that either on a virtual machine or burn it or put it on a USB drive to install on another device If you join the Windows Insider program, you'll also be able to submit feedback through a dedicated app preview expires in mid April of 2015 or as TechCrunch puts it you have to 196 days to enjoy If you want to take the plunge head to preview.windows.com Bloomberg reports that people familiar with the plans. I don't know if I've heard that combo before Say Apple will add a gold color option to the latest version of the iPad Rumors say that that might be unveiled at a rumored announcement rumored to take place over 21st Apple oddly declined to comment, but other Apple products have been gold so that to me makes this rumor golden Yeah, it doesn't make I mean it wouldn't surprise me, right? It would be the least surprising thing. It's the least surprising thing to happen from Apple I don't people are really excited about this though for some reason. I guess they just like the gold Who doesn't love gold? Gigo and reports Verizon decided at the last minute today not to throttle unlimited plan subscribers on its LTE network The plan had been that starting today when the network is congested They would knock the heaviest unlimited plan users down to 3g speeds Verizon statement says that after a few months of Dialogue which I believe means ranting at us The company quote decided not to move forward with the planned implementation of network Optimization for 4g LTE customers on unlimited plans. They just can't say anything straight. Yeah Verizon man, like I just don't They just need to get the story straight. Yeah, well If you read between the jargon, they are at least not implementing the throttling plan Which is good for the unlimited folks Time now for some news from you These are things that are submitted on our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit Dot-com if you haven't checked it out you ought to there's some great stuff in there people finding things they're like Instead of complaining like Tom, why don't you cover X? You can go to daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and you can vote on X You can find those links or even submit it yourself Captain Kipper submitted this first one rule Britannia Britannia rule the wave Files and mp3's and Bob's what I'm trying to say is UK copyright law has been amended and starting today Subjects of Her Majesty are free to copy mp3 cds DVDs and live broadcasts for personal use as well as enjoy broader fair use parody and quotation writes this means you are no longer a bandit filthy outlaw for copying music to your phone or Cloud storage folder and you can also quote and parody the work of others without their permission as long as it's fair dealing It's gonna be fair dealing Hey, don't mind the gap Still in the UK universe the screen gap that is the runaway snail folks or folk I think it's just one person runaway snail submitted a 9 to 5 Google report that early purchasers of the Samsung Galaxy Note 4 Have complained of a small gap between the screen and the device case gap gate Oh, no Today Android Central discovered that the Note 4 owners manual actually references the screen gap calling it a necessary Manufacturing feature and states that some rocking or vibration of parts may occur The manual goes on to explain that friction between parts may cause this gap to expand slightly. So it's a feature gap gate over Galaxy Note 4 went on sale September 26th in Korea. It's coming to the US in October So Why don't we have a gap? Why don't we have a bunch of people really upset about It probably happened it probably existed in previous funds. I'm guessing I don't think this is a big deal and Metal Freak sent us a PC World article about the Google Play Store Which is attempting to add a little more transparency by making developers list a price range for in-app purchases in their app Descriptions the article includes a screen grab of EA's FIFA 15 Ultimate Team With a price range for in-app purchases of 99 cents to 99 dollars and 99 cents Google Play Store does not require developers to list exactly which items cost how much so your next question What the heck could be worth a hundred bucks in FIFA 15 Ultimate Team Mobile Edition? That question for now remains unanswered At least by me I'm not gonna go spend a hundred dollars to find out actually I guess you could just play FIFA 15 and try to figure it out somebody send us Somebody out there's playing FIFA 15 on Android, but what's tell us what it costs a hundred bucks in there Can you do you have any idea what would that would be? I? Don't know maybe a special That you can play as your favorite player, but I don't I don't see how that would be Messy that's it. That's the only one that I could imagine them getting a hundred bucks for and that is a look at the headlines All right, the quest to unify the Internet of Things carries on as we mentioned arm introduced their Internet of Things platform It's actually an older platform called embed M BED right this has been around for a while Nicole since 2006 So it's been around for eight years, but what they've basically announced is like a unit like a attempt to put it all together Right like they have this ecosystem So the idea is they roll at this new OS is embed operating system And you can and it works along with the device servers It's a unified platform that a manufacturer or an OEM or whatever can use this platform end-to-end Operating system to the server-side solution and they don't have to deal with like implementing your HTTP or Bluetooth stacks or whatever They just have this OS ready to go and they can put their IOT thing together So they focus on their device and they focus on their application. They don't have to focus on the underlying operating Exactly because that makes things a lot easier. Yeah. Yeah. Now Like so I can do this on my Intel atom processor Qualcomm processor This is free and this is free, but it's only free for arm processors specifically the Cortex M processors because these are the low-cost low-power chips Commonly used in you know, like a nest or a pebble or whatever. So low-power devices like that This is where it gets interesting for me because this makes perfect sense for arm They're putting this out mostly under an Apache license some parts of it remain proprietary, but most of its open source That's great. That's gonna make it easier to adopt. It's gonna make it easier to develop on the other hand. I Have to use an arm processor. Yeah, you could argue most people are using the arm processor already So maybe that's not that big of a hump But you still have to use the arm processor Yeah, you know, it's yeah, I totally understand what you're saying It's it's like I think there's those what was so interesting about the announcement It's really cool that you can use it for any arm processor And they were seeing how this would like make things less fragmented, you know more open the ability to put devices to speak to each Other, but only arm devices to speak to each other. So it's not really open So it's like a very it's like a strange It's just that forward but also like I wish there was more than that, you know Yeah, they're basically like it's open source as long as you only develop it for this For this processor and you know for people who don't understand arm is a design reference They basically license out the design and then other people make the chips Yeah, uh, so so you can find other chips out there, you know, the the Nvidia chips are made on an arm License they are not a fabricator like Intel But they sort of have the weight of one because so many mobile devices and so many embedded devices use them And when you look at the internet of things, you're not talking about wearable devices Let's see, you know get watches out of your head. Although they kind of fit in What what kinds of things are you talking about here? Nicole? These are things like in like again, I'm messing the third like in thermostats and kitchen appliances And you know, they're saying that a possible application would be in street lamps or traffic lights Like basically very low power. This is designed to last for years, you know months and years Without having to change your battery and the idea is to take get just get data Just get a little bit of data about for example a traffic light sensor or whatever would would be able to Gather a pattern traffic patterns or congestion patterns so that the city would know like how to deal with traffic flow, for example Or or if it's in your like refrigerator or your nest thermostat, you know Or your lighting the phillips you lighting and that was just like again It's for like to communicate with the internet to see like, you know, are you home or not that kind of thing? Yeah, so the way I understand it and and some other folks out there may be more well versed in this than me But that you've got the devices, right? You've got your nest thermostat your light bulbs the stuff you're you're just talking about You have your protocols for connecting those devices. That's your zigbees And uh thread is a new protocol that was founded by samsung nest silicon labs and big-ass fans That's just the name of the company And and thread is is another one of these protocols to communicate There's lots of those kinds of protocols out there. Zigbee is is probably the most familiar So you got your devices you got your protocols Uh, and then you have now you have embed, which is like we're going to be the operating system It's a very small operating system. We're going to save you a lot of battery life Uh, and you can use whatever protocol you want. You can use whatever device you want as long as it's an arm processor There's already Two consortiums out there trying to come up with open standards There's the open interconnector consortium, which involves intel samsung broadcom Atmel and dell and then there's the all scene alliance which involves qualcom and the linux foundation So where does embed fit? Do you know where embed fits with those two things because it's not trying to be The architecture these platforms are trying to unify the protocols and all of that But I mean notice who I said open interconnect has intel all scene has qualcom And this is arm over here doing an operating system. How do these three relate? Right. So those that you mentioned earlier that those open consortiums the consortiums are working on like general standards for IOT so that they call they all speak the same language, right? Like all join and this I think I think the all C1 uses qualcoms all join software platform Anyway, but the so arm this is not a standards group. Okay, this is a free customizable os think of it like linux or You know android for google for the phones So this is this is an os that anyone can use but this is not a like A standards group or a standard that anyone can take on. So this is basically an open open sourced Internet of Things platform that anybody with an arm processor device Can take on and use it's free, you know, it's it's like licensible But it's not a standards group. So don't think of this as like You know, it's it's a very different thing. Yeah, I think that's what causes me concern is Intel's not going to want to Standardize towards embed. They're you know, obviously not and certainly qualcom is not going to want to standardize towards embed So suddenly even though it's not a standards organization embed looks like it will Not easily be accepted into the open internet connect consortium and the all seen alliance Maybe that's not a big deal because embed says hey, we'll work with all protocols. We'll work with zygote We'll work with thread, you know We'll work with all of this stuff So maybe it doesn't matter because like you're saying linux doesn't have to necessarily be a member Of the usb alliance for linux to be able to work with usb But as early users of linux know implementing usb drivers was a pain, you know And and and so things will be a lot easier if everybody cooperates. I feel like We're headed towards confusion and maybe it'll be a confusion of mac versus pc where it's like Oh, are you on the oic or the all join? Platform for your home, right if it comes down to just two maybe that's okay But I want it I want it to be Easy I want it to be wi-fi where it's like hey if I buy a device. I know it's going to be able to use this protocol Yeah, I think the I think the uh open internet consortium the oic they were thinking of maybe someday like every single Thing that can work together. We'll have like oic badge next to it. Yeah, you know, like this nest of the oic badge so this will work with my whatever my uh light system that's oic badge, but It's it's just really difficult to get everyone on the same page and You know, it's as you say, it's it's a little bit weird. It doesn't work together Rather, but but I think it's a I think it's a good step, you know, it's open source It's arm, which is it's huge cloud and all these devices already have arm chips in it. So I think I think it's good to have at least a bigger chunk of it out there It's just a bit easier for internet other things to just get started in the first place The more we talk about it the better I feel because I and I think what you said about like think of this like Linux is the way to think about it embed is We're not going to run on arm designed processors, right? That's no different than microsoft making windows that only runs on x86 and granted I know there's windows rt out there that muddies the water but for for decades, right windows only ran on x86 processors So if you think about it like that and add to that what I just realized is We as consumers Are used to dealing with the operating system on laptops and desktops, but on internet of things on embedded devices We're not going to care about the operating system. We're not going to care about the internal arm Yeah, we just want to know that it works and connects So that protocol that connecting protocol is the only thing that matters At least to consumers and so then it comes down to Okay, well, whether it has embed or not as long as embed is working with zigby ip zigby nan six low Yeah, and I think you know the fact that works with thread I think it's a big deal because thread is supported by nest and google and samsung and all of those so yeah, and uh, And I noticed that um, silicon labs Is in the embed Group and they're also in the thread group And I think I can't remember if they're in oic or or or all seen. I think they might be an oic I'd have to double check on that but um Nest labs project manager chris boros in the thread announcement yesterday said we feel there should be a second network in the home Which is why they're doing thread. They don't think wi-fi is good enough for this stuff Uh, I I can see why he might think that and I as long as it works and as long as I don't have to think about it When I buy my thing, uh, I'm I'm okay with that So yeah, os uh embed coming this quarter for developers devices They expect some time next year and if you're interested in thread, uh, those tech docs are expected may 2015 They're looking at possibly having a certification program by june 2015 So get out there developers make us a minute out of things and make it standard Yes, I already have enough to think about without like is this door lock going to connect with my light bulbs I hope it does don't even get me started on home kit and where All right, let's take a look at the calendar. We were you gonna say No, I was wondering home kit. I just forgot about that. Yeah, it doesn't hold out. That's a whole other That's a whole other issue. That's yeah, that's just messing with you Uh tomorrow october 2nd is the geek wire summit in seattle, uh dc tech day in the capital of the united states Washington dc The tech week conference takes place in new york october 2nd through the third and the evernote conference takes place in san francisco october 2nd through the third as well Uh and because uh, we're headed into uh, a new quarter We are going to have some ipos and earnings and tomorrow is the ipo for online furniture seller wayfair ink So if you've been deep into the online furniture selling, uh, look for that stock Our pick of the day is gi joe coffee company courtesy of scott napier Scott writes gi joe coffee company is awesome. They sell fair trade good quality coffee But 20 of all proceeds go to support disabled veterans I know you get tons of picks, but I figured I had to throw this one in the mix Since it's a cause near and dear to my heart retired army and 90 disabled myself. Well, thank you for your service scott Uh the and and and of course, thank you for the uh pick as well. Check it out gi joe coffee dot com I love the combination of fair trade coffee helping farmers and then proceeds going to support disabled veterans Uh people that helped uh defend the country. That's that's an amazing combination. Absolutely love it Thank you scott gi joe coffee dot com you can send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com And you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks All right, uh windows 10 We got lots of thoughts from the community, uh, nicole and I uh, I know that you like everybody else have been following The news do you have any initial impressions before we get into the feedback? Just at first glance like the the start menu looks with the live tiles I don't know how I how often I would use that the live tiles in the start menu It doesn't it doesn't seem it doesn't seem that appealing to me again from Someone hasn't even using windows for too long, but it looks nice. It looks pretty Looks like it much easier much easier to get around So I mean I I'm optimistic you saw my reaction when I opened the start menu for the first time It was like seeing an old friend I was like, oh your back look at you with your file explorer and your documents like it's amazing Uh, and you know, I don't know whether the live tiles will end up being that useful They're they're just like applications shortcuts Although the fact that they're live like I can see that guy brenin invited me to an event You know through the alright, that's right. Yeah Little friends widget and my calendar has a couple things on it and there's news in the little news widget here So, you know, and we'll see oh look charlie mierson posted in the wpg ufm So, you know, yeah The numbering is a little silly the windows 10, but I guess they wanted to you know, keep on pace with os x I guess, you know, but that's that's that's just numbering systems. Yeah, and q and x monkey points out you could pin Tiles as desktop apps too, which is so you get you finally get the live desktop Done right Uh, so here's some more thoughts on windows 10 brought to you by the dts community tom barrett writes call me cynical But I think part of the reason for the numbering was to give it parity with the other major desktop os os 10 I've heard a lot of people say that I imagine maybe that was a small part of the decision I don't think it would be the determinative joke. I saw on twitter. I remember who said it But they were saying I bet they were deciding between windows 10 and windows one Yeah, I think well, they sounded in the presentation like they wanted it to be called windows one because of one drive and all of that Uh stuff, maybe they should have just call it. Oh and e not windows 1.0 Because that that has already been done, but uh Cy Spence writes in regards to microsoft naming their new os child windows 10. Yes at first I went to handle a chart and make them recite 1 to 100 by memory Perhaps perhaps they avoided nine for a reason they've had a few windows nines before 95 and 98 They could have wanted to avoid any possible confusion between those ancestor versions and the most recent infant That made me think it was the librarian who is involved in the naming like no Well, then I'll have to alphabetize windows 9 before windows 95 and that's just wrong Um, I don't know about that Steve in the osi writes if I'm supposed to skip every other version of windows and windows 9 was perfect Should I skip 10? You're not supposed to skip every other version Uh and this still is the next version and I think it's a good one Metal freak has a slightly stronger opinion Bleep you to whomever thought they should skip a number so that I have to waste a lot of time Most of it won't be paid for explaining to people that no you didn't miss windows 9 It was never released Would people ask me why microsoft skipped windows 9? I think i'm going to say something like this It's because microsoft alternates between releasing versions of windows that work okay and versions that are crap And the last version windows 8 was crap So instead of making windows 9 which should have been a version of windows that worked okay And wasn't very frustrating to use they skip to windows 10 because they know it's going to be a total pile of crap Which means you should skip windows 10 and maybe buy a chromebook while microsoft works out the bugs for the next release Working in tech support is hard enough. They really don't need to go out of their way to make it harder Oh, man, that's that's hilarious. I mean that's gonna be the inevitable question. Well, so what happened to windows 9? Did I miss it? And you know, he's right. There's gonna be so many people that he's gonna have to deal with and it's it's just gonna get tiresome I totally feel for you, man Finally mic in lovely bay root writes I love your talk on windows 10 in today's episode and agree that the hybrid model Mixing windows 7 and 8 out of the gate to help transition to windows as a tablet interface that said I've defended windows 8 as aspirational with the surface as a benchmark for manufacturers Unfortunately, I don't think any of them measured up most of the innovative form factors have specs of a lower end laptop and premium prices I've been unhappy with my asus laptop since I got it But couldn't find a windows 8 hybrid that had enough memory to store my music collection Which is a deal breaker until the surface 3 came out I'm hoping like so many things microsoft has done the hardware eventually catches up with good software concepts And I know I've only been using this thing for an hour yet But just the ability to take those few tiled apps that I did need to access like the store and put them in a window I it's tremendous. It's it's it's a huge release. I didn't realize how much that bugged me Until I was able to do it. I I think personally That this is the right way to go about it the start menu feels right The windowed apps feels right the the feel of this, you know just and the reason I didn't mind windows 8 so much Is that most of the time when I was using it it felt like 7? and and the good things about windows 7 so You know it's going to take a while Obviously, there are bugs in here, especially with the multiple desktops q and xmonkey and I were talking about how you can't you get the same Settings in every virtual desktop. Hopefully they'll they'll work that out. This is a technical preview But i'm interested to try it more. I am i'm optimistic. Nicole. I really am That's good. It's good to be optimistic about windows Yeah, I I I think it's the right direction and as molly and I talked about yesterday It just has to be it just has to work Like it feels like the outline they've described is the right outline as long as they can execute on it Well, that is it for this episode of daily tech news show Nicole Lee is the author of the engadget story on that arm embed if you're like I want to know more about that She's got a great write up over there. Check it out engadget.com You can follow Nicole on the twitters at twitter.com slash Nicole She is the first person I ever followed on twitter. I felt a little bad when I signed up for elo That I didn't follow you first That's okay That's okay. Well, tim Stevens followed me first. So that's a good one. Nice little Yeah So follow follow Nicole on twitter anything else going on you want to let folks know about? Uh, I'll be at the evernote conference this uh next couple of days I think there'll be a couple of announcements of new evernote stuff So um, stay tuned for that and that's all I have so far. Very cool. Are you using elo so far? I'm just curious. I'm just I'm using I check it almost I just check it every day Just to see if there's any updates or whatever and the things I like that I like the interface a lot and I wish I had far more reason to use it But I have no reasons to use yeah I think that's going to be its downfall if it has one is not finding a reason Maybe it'll find one. Maybe the the reason will bubble up here Shortly we'll see. Yeah. Well, thank you also to all of our bosses. 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Give us a call 51259 daily That's 5125932459 and listen to the show live for 30 p.m. Eastern 130 pacific at alphageekradio.com Our website is dailytechnewshow.com. I'll be back tomorrow with anthony carbone back on the show talk to you then Yay Yay, thank you. I'm sorry about the cat. Oh, I didn't even notice the cat The cat was trying to get was trying to put a bomb me and rub against my microphone jenny. We're cat friendly on this show, right? 100% okay I can't hear you jenny The answer is yes. The answer is yes. I have to mute my microphone sometimes because um Uh, what do you call it audio hijack pro still picks it up even when I mute the thing? I forget to unmute it and I'm back up recording for you. Right Um, yes, we are a super cat friendly show. This household has three cats I will admit that on the internet Okay It's like this machine kills fascinists that would he go through having his guitar except the our version is this show hugs cats Okay All right No, because my cat was purring next to the microphone. I was like, okay, you know, you know what? Off the show off the show All right, well, thank you so much, uh having me on and um Hope you feel better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't tell you did a great job. Oh, thank you. I hope your car knows when Uh This weekend Thank you. There'll be some internal strife. I'm sure that will be household, but I'm reading on your side. It'll be fine Thanks. Okay. I figure all the Giants fans will be until obviously the Giants play the card All right Bye. Bye So, uh, Jenny, are you a Dodgers fan? Wait, are you kidding? Well, I know you're a Red Sox fan, but like do you have a national league affinity? Oh, all right, so Not the Dodgers. Okay Uh Because john lester went to oakland We were super interested in last night's game although we have to say heartbreaker heartbreaker heartbreaker, but uh somehow the royals managed to win that game despite their manager According to Pedro Martinez who is right about everything Uh, and it was really one of the best baseball games. I think I've ever seen until I mean Like I've ever yeah, it was a great game now. You're right. It was amazing It was just like a team that would not quit and so we're I think we're like oddly more interested in The baseball playoffs this year even though the socks aren't in it Interesting. These are such good teams like you've got young teams like the nationals you've got Like teams that maybe shouldn't like squeak through like I mean the pirates like it's just kind of awesome Um, yeah, it's nice. I mean there's some familiar faces in there for sure And I know that people who aren't cardinals fans are probably tired of seeing the cardinals in there every year But it is nice not to see. Oh, it's yankees red sox right again I worry about that. I don't want the yankees to play the red sox in the playoffs all the time because God, what could you possibly say about it at this point? Right? A story rivalry It's like every time I hear that when they play each other in regular season. I'm just like guys it's over We're gonna find new things to talk about I'm gonna go to showbot in windows 10 To pick our title It works It's microsoft sway or the highway Embedded arm dealers cs803 is a master of the pun. I like that one call me pretty pebbles You got any favorites in here I do really like it's microsoft sway or the highway, but I also like embedded arm dealers because that was actually Yeah, that's the main the main topic gives it a little edge Start menu withdrawal. That's funny, Todd Sway your arms jannis screw seven. You know how I feel about the mashup titles Microsoft lost its sways, but it didn't it got them Got them back big master or it invented them or put them out Well, you guys were really into using sway in the title It's their sway. Yeah It's the sway they would they do it I guess that's why right It lends itself. It is an imminently Oh cubs debacks game Yeah, is that a chicago person or an arizona person though? What? I'm looking in the chat room Let's see. Oh wait. It's written in response to Look out Oh, it must be someone in arizona who likes the cubs Right Which I don't you know unless you're born that way and I believe that unless you're born that way with the cubs loving defect I know at this point it could be considered an actual illness I don't know if I'd call social services for parents turning their children into cubs fans But I might I'll gently alert somebody That is a painful. I would I would definitely want the children to know that they are free to make a choice Yeah And the white socks are so close Yeah Yeah I kid cubs fans. Some of my best friends are cubs fans. It's actually true literally true In arizona, but a cubs fan. Well jabby hannah the hearts of all kind people go out to you jabby hannah We like you anyway. Yeah And not and I'm not talking about the arizona part arizona is awesome cubs and It's a hard row Yeah For your hose, although I guess the Didn't come out right The gardening tool come on. I uh, I think that uh I think the cubs have spring training in arizona. Do they not? They did So many people have moved around but I think you I think they do Yeah, yeah, because I've seen an ace cubs game in spring training when I've gone down there Yeah, the trend has actually been to move to arizona off of the east coast Which may or may not have anything to do with athletes performance being there But it's actually just uh, you know, do you see what jabby hannah said? Granddad's fault originally from that area was a cubs fan and was 15 when they were last in the world series Oh my gosh That is, you know, if the cubs ever get to the world series, even if they're playing, uh The red socks, I will root for the cubs. Oh, I will I will never root for the cubs And just root for the cubs. I'll tell you what I'll do if the cubs get to the world series Against anyone but the a's I will remain silent Well, if the a's get to the world series I I would have a tough time. Well, I won't have to worry about them playing the red stock But I would most definitely root for the a's full-throated and vociferously because um I would really like to see the guy that changed all of baseball in a world series Yeah, all right. How many places could be even have gone by now if in august We thought it was going to happen and then he made all those trades And i'm not saying the trades are the reason they maybe they're not But the best team in baseball through most of the season just fell apart Yeah, it's it's tough thing when you change like a really chemistry centric team and that's totally Player against everybody love what you just said, which is he changed baseball because he ignored things like that But I think there's something to it. I really do I think after watching 10 years of baseball with the red socks, which is not a lifetime But it was a very intense 10 years like I think I certainly would agree that it is a It is a percentage mix. Didn't you have deep adesta paul deep adesta for a while as your gm? No, no, no, but but theo was a disciple Of that whole thing. That's that's deep adesta came from boston. I think he was an assistant and he came out to So he was a disciple it was Money like the first person the first team one of the first teams To win it all with the money ball ish the money ball plus money approach I think yes Money ball with the emphasis on the money on the money because like You know, you went out and you acquired like all these incredibly expensive people and then you're like, we play money ball You're like, I don't know Uh, so yeah, I think um, you know, it's theo. It's this guy ben charrington Like the whole red socks back office or front office front office. Um Has populated across baseball by now like they've all gone now. They're all gms. I don't know, you know, like or assistant gms like They are quite the Quite the universe there. Yep. Jonah Hill Yeah, Jonah Hill Brad Pitt Yeah, all those guys I I know what you're talking about Yeah, I I I have a lot of sympathy for these small market teams that should win and they're missing like one really expensive player Man, it pumps me out And we were seasoned ticket holders for the a's for years When we lived in oakland, uh, and they got so close so many times so many good Memories though like the Ramon Hernandez walk-off bunt And winning game 20 and the 20 game win streak and just seeing hudson molder Yeah, we were there for game 20. Wow. That was amazing. That's impressive. Yeah um, just Just insane just good feelings and and yet never Getting into the world series just so frustrating. Yeah, that's which obviously we have a cubs fan in the chat room I'm not trying to compare the two scenarios, believe me Um But yeah, so fun and I think I liked about being a seasoned ticket holder for the a's too And this is actually true of most seasoned ticket holder communities But you just had that really good feeling of getting to know the people sitting around you and all pulling for the same thing Yeah, well, it's interesting when matt and I would buy crappy tickets to go see the red sox play the angels here We would have a terrible time with the fans and the moment we got down to like serious We got tickets right behind the dugout this year the red sox dugout the fans were amazing They were thoughtful wonderful baseball fans that you hope you sit next to from the opposing team And we had a lovely time But it's like you're right when you're a seasoned ticket holder. I feel like you take a longer view of baseball Yeah, you start to you start to to have a little more empathy for the other other teams because yeah Yeah, because you know them so well like if you're really going to all those games You know all those people and like oh man. I don't know It's time to start reading baseball books again in absence of the real thing In a month What do you think of this plan to like split the games up on all the different networks? Did you see this? Um I'm not sure what you do you mean the blackout thing or no Oh, I mean that this year The american league games are only being covered by one network and the national league games only by another It's so weird. Well, but they they started that when they split the the al and nlcs out Yeah, I just they they gave tbs one and they gave fox the other That's that's when they started and this is all moving towards mlb having more leverage Not letting any one network have all the leverage And because mlb eventually just wants to be the one who charges you MLB network. Yep channel, which is like delivered direct to you. They want here's what they want They want to deliver it direct to you over the internet. They absolutely do Once everybody's getting all their tv over the internet They want to deliver it direct to you over the internet and have you pay and sell you ads. Yep Yep It's exactly what they want and and I'll tell you something They are the organization of all of the major sports teams that I think is smart enough to do it first Oh, let giving the contract to a company and basically telling that company you have no other clients You aren't you are an independent company. So you're not infected by our own prejudices But you're not distracted by anyone else You're just working for us. That was the most brilliant thing that any sports league has done Because major league baseball advanced media does an amazing job on lots of fronts Not just on the streaming video, but also on mlb.com and the way they have independent beat reporters, you know Covering the teams. It's it's it's really really clever. Yeah I don't like much of what bud Selig has done That was a good call. That was smart I went to an awful lot of bud Selig press conferences for someone who didn't actually cover the sport Skeleton and he I know he's he's a sunken looking dude, but he's a smart man. Yeah. No, I won't argue with you there Um, yeah, it's actually one of the problems Metal freak is actually right is that wwe was also a trailblazer in this regard In terms of uh, you know really embracing the internet But I don't know about that as well because I don't watch dudes wrestle If you count that you mean if they start wrestling in front of you you avert your eyes You are wrestling All right, I think I finally got everything posted It's a little it's like just slightly more complicated now Because I'm putting files in two places, but I'll get into the rhythm of that eventually and it'll be fine Let me actually get out of the post All right, thanks everybody for watching daily baseball and tech news show We'll see you tomorrow Bye