 On the breakfast today, former Kaduna lawmaker Shihusani reveals what probably angered the northern governors, made them insist on retaining presidency in 2023, speaks of how it can get to the south. Also on the breakfast, data call costs to go up as telecom union proposes 40% tariff hike. And like always, we will be reviewing the major stories making headlines across national dailies. Good morning to you. This is the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. I trust you're doing well. My name is Justin Akadone. And I am Masibu for a beautiful morning and it's really great to be back on your screen. Yes, it feels good too, feels stronger, I just saw you smiling while I was reading. I think a miracle happened. You don't have an idea what's going on here, but I can relate and I understand. And we just say glory be to God. Okay, I'm going to break it down. I know what it means. Yesterday I was all like, good morning, welcome. Yesterday I was actually under the weather. You know how it is. The show just has to go on. And today, Mas was like, okay, where is this guy coming from? I don't know. I'm pretty probably visiting one by one then. Oh, then? You have come. But that's just history to top trend and for this morning, the whole lot is trending this morning and that will start off with employment. Who is actually responsible for employment? Is it government or is it their responsibility to just make the enabling environment? This is actually according to the governor of the state, as he declared for presidency yesterday, he was asked about what he would do to cover the issue of unemployment and he now said that it is not the responsibility of government to provide these jobs that government's responsibility is to provide enabling environment. So I actually saw that and he made the headlines because a lot of people had to put that up. But now for me, okay, let's start on this premise. If you look at the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, 1999 as amended, section 14, if I'm not mistaken, it talks about it's, let's see if I can, okay, I would try to read it without looking at the, no, without actually making, so he says that it would be, I mean, the primary responsibility, the security and welfare of the people shall be the primary purpose of government. I mean, that's me reading that part of the constitution, section 14, I mean, you have the B section of it, okay? And that's what he says. So I take that again, security and welfare of the people shall be the primary purpose of government. So what does welfare mean? Exactly, that's the question. Security of the people and welfare. Welfare is welfare. Now if you look at it, it talks about the health, you know, the happiness, general well-being of the people. And that cannot be exclusive of employment. So as much as I understand where, you know, Kaya Defaim is coming from the governor, boy, you cannot take it out that government has a role as well to play in employment. So you cannot say, oh, it's not government's responsibility to provide employment or to create jobs, right? It is not directly government's responsibility, but you can also not take out the fact that government has a role to play. Now firstly, if you look at it, the provision of, as government, as government would exist in different strata, and in Nigeria, you find out that there are civil jobs. So government also provide that. So you have civilian, civil service, civil service jobs, I mean, people who are employed to work for the government, because at the end of the day, if you have a structure, you have whatever it is, you have a dream, you cannot achieve all of that. And that's why in basic economics, so business, you find out that you have different resources. So a combination of, you could probably have the material resource. I mean, you could have, you know, whatever it takes for you to achieve a certain goal, but you would need people. So it's a combination of human and material resource or resources to achieve a certain goal. Now, government cannot be taken out of the equation. Government might not be responsible directly for providing employment, but does not mean that they cannot provide. They're also there. Now, I understand the fact that at all ends, I mean, the argument would always be that government should provide enabling environment, and that's it. So, but when you even look at that part of the Constitution for Nigeria, I don't want to talk about India, I don't want to talk about another country, but the Constitution of the Federal Republic, it's also about welfare. Welfare isn't compassing. It talks about everything, security, and welfare would be the concern of government. And so, yes, government at all levels should be responsible. Yes, we understand that people would say government is not a good manager of anything. So you know how to say, oh, it's not government's business. Provide an enabling environment. And if government feels, because if you look at it, the ease of doing business, let's not forget that we've had it a couple of times and in 2022, the spin, all of the assessment, and you can relate with that. We're not doing very well with the ease of doing business. And so, yes, he's very correct. To some extent, government has a role to provide an enabling environment. So you have the private sector responsibility from government completely. The responsibility from government cannot be taken away in any sense. Yeah, because first of all, even if you provide an enabling environment and the people are not getting jobs, it is still your responsibility. For instance, even if you say you're not providing direct employment for Nigerians, you talked about the civil service, those working directly for the government. And government in Spain, that's employment one. And projects that governments do over time, you will still need the people, maybe direct label, indirect label, to come work on such product, infrastructural development and all that. If you do infrastructural development one way or the other, people get to be employed in those projects as well. So I think that it's on the premise of having the private sector thriving. That's where the government base's argument on that it's not government's responsibility to create jobs or provide employment. But like we rightly stated, if the environment is not friendly, you can't have foreign investors coming in. You also can have local investors thriving in business. It's a lot. So yes, if people are not employed, you blame the government for it. Because however you want to look at it, whether you say to provide an enabling environment, whether you say to provide jobs directly or indirectly, government isn't the business of governing people and ensuring that life security and the welfare of the people a priority. So yes, he needs to include all of that in that. Yes. If you look at it again, I don't know. For instance, in Lagos, they have a lot of paraphernalia of office and all of that. I don't know if it's a department or a full blown ministry, wealth creation and all that. So basically the whole idea is centered on creating wealth for the people. And somehow it still talks about job opportunities, extensions, a tweet that people can actually go. How you can actually get finances and all of that to make your own jobs or your own business better in a way government has a whole lot to do. But if you look at the proponent of this theory at the end of this ideology is that government should just not be in the business of all of that. I mean, just stay and do your bid. So everybody has a role to play. And if government has lived up to a expectation, especially the Nigerian government, of ensuring that there's a friendly environment. Now, when we talk about environment being friendly, it talks about government policies. What are the policies that we have on ground? Do we have friendly policies? These policies, especially when you talk about taxation, are they very friendly when you talk about security? I know businesses. I know a lot of persons who have talked about their businesses that have collapsed in different parts of the country because of the security challenge that we're faced with. And so when you have all of this business, so for instance, you have a company, you have an organization that definitely exists because they want to render a service or sell a product. But before they can achieve all of that, I mean, to achieve all of that, they will need people. And so that's the means of providing employment. You remember that when COVID came, the world actually has experienced the effect of COVID-19. I mean, we're still trying to recover from all of that. Several, you have several companies that downsized at the time. People lost their jobs. I mean, you have a lot of people, salaries were reduced. So it's a lot. A lot of people lost. And I'm saying that for those who would, we need to do better, but I know that Nigerians are on top of the game, it's not longer business as usual, but we're hoping that this can be very sustained and this can help us achieve a result at the end of the day because we're grappling with a lot. If you're grappling with the system, just like we talked about yesterday, the system where you say structures, you have powerful men in the system who are overriding the structure. And so you have a weak institution and then you rather have strong men and that's why we're not having the result that we desire. But I think that as a presidential aspirant and those who are vying for political office, we need to be on top of our game. We need to understand the dynamics of government and economies as well, because you cannot take that out entirely, but we wish them well because the political parties at the end of the day would choose who becomes the flag bearer. All right, moving away from employment opportunities and the role of government, let's talk about terrorism and terrorism financing. This has been in the knees for quite some time and it is actually resurfacing. It is as though someone who has died is actually still being blamed or that's what it is really. The Ahmed Nasreddin has been linked to terrorism financing over time, although the company that he founded over time, that's Nazco, had actually come out to say that they had been clad by the US government that the funding of terrorism claims is actually false. But it is actually being drawn again this time around another report and Nami in a personal, exactly quoted as saying that he actually is linked to terrorism financing. It is as though that he isn't going to stay dead. He'll keep on coming alive, his name that is. See, it's a very sensitive one. I mean, and if you talk about Nazco, I'm sure you can relate because growing up as a child, I mean, I was exposed to some product of Nazco. You talk about the biscuits that you have to take. You don't know Nazco products? I do know them. Are you sure? So I mean, it's really heartbreaking for you to hear that growing up now as an adult, I'm here talking and then you have to say, okay, so the group managing director or the founder. Well, I'm not sure they even exist, so they're very great again with their product, but there's some association. So we move away from that, but we talk about what really happens for every time there's a report. Every time you have a report about a governor, there's a certain time where you have a report saying it's setting up. Link deterrence financing, you know, terrorists. What has the Nigerian government done about it? We exist as a sovereign entity. And because we exist as a sovereign entity, just that's why if you have some interference from different companies, they say, oh, not just a sovereign entity. You don't need any busy body. You don't need people trying to meddle in our business. We can control our affairs. But you look at that. What have we done with all of this report and all of this? Have we further investigated? Have we verified? Have we arrested these persons? So every day, and I remember that a certain journalist, David O'Day, made a report where he talked about conflicts and conflicts. And I don't remember how he puts it, but of course that publication was being put out there. Yeah, he talked about conflicts for Jihad, yes. And the question is what do we do with all of this information? We have been trying to understand why crime and criminality and insecurity persist in the system despite the fact that we have the state apparatus to fight all of this. I mean, you have the Nigerian police. You have the military. You have everything. But what's going on? We do nothing with all of this information. It's quite unfortunate. This is not the first time. I remember also you have, there was another publication from the UAE government where six Nigerians were mentioned as being sponsors of terrorists at the end of the day. What happened to those six Nigerians? No, there was a lot of back and forth following that report. You had different explanation from different quarters, especially from the government. And it is sad. So it brings us back to the question that if you have tarot exceeding more than 24 hours in a sudden climb, then the government is responsible. It's behind it. There's no explanation. Why are we not doing the need for, why are we not moving on with the information that we have with all of the intelligence? Each day they bring reports. People talk about it. People raise a whole lot of dust on social media. There's lots of talk, lots of focus. At the end of the day, like you had said, everything is actually swept under the carpet. And for a while it will just douse. Then maybe another report will just come and take over. Then again, it happens. And it's as though we're just on America around. At the end of the day, names are mentioned. Reports are being put out there and that no one is actually meant to face the ross of the law. Well, and it just also gives room to the dose behind the conspiracy theory that government might just be aiding and abating all of these elements. You were talking about those who are sponsoring and those who are committing this crime and that's why we haven't gotten any results. What other explanation do you have? It's the question. Because at this point in time, you have such information in center climes you will have government moving and acting with speed. People would have been arrested. The people linked a whole lot of exposé would have been brought out of all of that. And they would have done something that would have actually served as deterrent to people who may actually have one link or the other who may want to continue. They would just have to discontinue. But let's just leave Ahmed Nasreddin and let him stay. Where he is and then talk about something again that's equally trending. Mas, you talked about your presidential ambition. When are you declaring? I've never talked about it. Mas, you said you just might declare for presidency. No, no. I mean, that's a compliment. Because there are several declarations almost on a daily basis. People are declaring. So for the one that's very interesting for me it's with the EPC. Right? So you have a lot of questions for EPC. Justly for the EPC. So we have a lot of governors. And I'm already wondering what's going on. Why do you have so yesterday we had that answer is more like it's normal in a climate where you have some governors that will always be an aspiration to want to become the president. But really, it's like every other day. Mas, you do know that his aspiration is not just aspiring. You aspire and you drop 100 million Naira. The party is becoming very wealthy and let's see what they do with all of that amount. So yesterday. Maybe we tend the Nigerian government would have to go forward from the EPC. Since they have a lot. We don't need to work from the... If you have, how many governors do we have now or how many persons have declared on the EPC? Yesterday was the APT state governor. Kayo Defi and me. Former governor of those states also declared yesterday. What's his name? Former governor. That's Adams Oshimale. Merci. I don't know, maybe. My uncle might just declare tomorrow. No, but for me, I really don't know what it says, but fingers are crossed and I'm very interested in the declaration, especially if you look at the APC and the fact that you have a lot of governors who are declaring their intention. I really don't know what this is. It couldn't be just the divide and rule principle. You know, because you have to divide and rule, divide and conquer. It could be that. Maybe they just wanted to be on the record that aside from being governors, they also had actually made their intentions known and the aspirations known of wanting to control the machinery of government at the top or the highest level. That's the presidency. So if you just go back to the annals of history, if you're talking about those who have... You know usually what happens. For us going for presidency. Because election is a game of numbers. So when you have a lot of people come out to contest, what happens is the votes has been splitted even at the party level. So for instance now that you have the APC not decided because it feels like there's no certainty. We don't know for sure whether the APC would tilt towards... The North or the South. Yes, the North or the South. I mean the North and the South would definitely be having a consensus. But no one knows that for sure. So maybe just maybe the system would be allowed to a direct primary or indirect primary. And what would happen is you're going to have a split of votes. The votes, the delegates are going to... The votes would be splitted. That's what it is. So we will constantly weaken. It would weaken. That's what happens. It will weaken the stronger candidates. That's what will happen. So you're going to have different delegates. I mean one votes just be going by one. It would definitely weaken and continue to weaken. Some people's chances. Yes, chances of very strong and dominant aspirant at the party level. And because that's what happens. So if for instance you have a lot of... I mean you have strong popularity in a certain region and you're vying for that position and then you have other persons who have come. They're going to split your vote. So that's what's going to happen. So I'm ready for saying that when I probably just be experiencing a situation where at the party level votes will be splitted amongst delegates. All right. That's as much as we... I can hear our signature tune. I guess that's as much as we can take on top trending. We'll take a quick break and return with off the press in a moment. Stay with us.