 Good evening everyone welcome to this special chat that I've been wanting to have and looking forward to have for a few days. Right so the news is absolutely dominated by one story that is Ukraine and Russia crisis and the news is not only dominated by the story but one side of the story. We are being told in no uncertain terms that we must take sides here and whose side we must take. Before I came on to do this chat I had a little look at some of the news coverage today. It is completely one-sided and okay sometimes the moral issue is perfectly clear. I don't think it is on this and I wanted to get a different view or at least to look at this a little bit more objectively because when the mainstream media tells me one thing over and over and over and over again I don't trust it and I don't trust either when our politicians are telling us the same things. These are politicians and media we know lie to us. So I wanted to get a different view. I saw some Facebook posts from Eddie Butler you'll know Eddie and the other day which I had to delve into a little bit more very interesting Facebook post so I've asked Eddie to come on and talk me through this issue so we can have a look at it from a point of view that isn't the one the sole one being pushed by the mainstream media and the politicians who I don't trust. Eddie thank you very much for taking the time to come on and talk to us about this. Okay so let me just go let's get straight on with it let me go to your Facebook post where your opening of it was that this was a fake crisis. Why is this a fake crisis? Well to be fair that was actually written before the proper war had started and the Western media who I don't feel any allegiance towards although I live you know we both live in the what's known as the West. The Western media is really a globalist media it's not it doesn't run so they don't operate in our interest is not of our country and so I take what they say with a pinch of salt and they were blowing up a big into being a big crisis when initially Putin sent tanks into two provinces on the borders of the Ukraine that split away from the Ukraine in 2014 so him sending tanks into those two provinces which are pro-Russian provinces in 2014 wasn't an act of war or it's a bit like Israeli tanks being in the Golan Heights which are recognised by the world as being sovereign Syrian territory but it's been occupied by Israel for years and no one would blink if his very tanks went in there for example and so they were making a big mountain out of a molehill over every little move that was being made down there almost pushing him into a corner actually because that was before the war the ground war really started by taking all these measures and colouring the crisis as if it was a crisis before when it wasn't so he almost had nothing to lose by then and making out also that Putin's a mad man he's a psychopath and all these sorts of usual slurs on his character that come out which is a rather childish insults really he's an opponent of the globalist West and so they have to caricature him as some sort of dribbling lunatic when clearly he's quite a cable politician he's been in charge of Russia which is quite an unstable place to be a leader for one he's been in there all over 20 years and managed to maintain themselves so he's clearly not an idiot and although Russia their economy is smaller than our economy for example they've also managed to punch quite heavily above their weight really in world terms even though they haven't got a very strong economy or I haven't got that much money so he's clearly not an idiot and he also outmaneuvered America in Syria when America was trying to intervene in Syria and again no there's no real outcry about America intervening and bombing the hell out of Syria or Libya or occupying Iraq or Afghanistan so a lot of and bombing the hell out of Serbia a few years before there's a lot of double standards involved in this okay fair enough so that was before the war but you went on to talk about the make-up of what we in the West and in all this hype now think of us as Ukraine tell us about this tell us about the history of these of Russia and its relationship with Ukraine and the autonomous regions and what is it that we're not being told about this a little bit more complicated than we're told isn't it yeah well I was glad you led me into that because I'm playing this and I wanted to talk initially about the history of the Ukraine and Russia when the Russia some people know is named after the Russ who were a Viking tribe of our group of Vikings that dominated what is now western Russia and the Ukraine and from about the midnight midnight century a 60-ish roughly and after they'd gone and done some attacks down the rivers into into what is now Russia one of the famously the local sort of princes said I'm gonna quote let us seek a prince who may rule over us and judge us according to our laws and actually invited the Russ back in to rule them because they couldn't rule themselves Russia has always been a bit of an unruly place that is ruled by strong leaders it's not a place that democracy's ever ever taken root actually invited the Viking war leaders in to rule them and that part of Russia included what is now called the Ukraine and they set up a state called the Kievan Russ because it was based Kiev was the capital it wasn't a separate kingdom I think it was part of it was it was the capital of this of this rust the first rust state and they all spoke the same language it's known now as old East Slavic they also had the same history the same culture history same language same people and this the Russ state or collection of states was destroyed by the Mongols it was just after Genghis Khan died in and hordes of Mongols came in and wiped out lots of states across Eastern Europe including the Russ states and it fragmented now it's about 1260 round round about that time so it lasted about that must be 400 years this thing before it was destroyed by the the Mongols and that led to a different history between what is now the Ukraine and Russia because the Ukraine what is now Ukraine was ruled by the Ottoman Turks for a while it was ruled by Lithuania for a while the language very Ukrainian Russian a very similar language anyway but they slightly diverged diverged because of this slightly different history and Russia fragmented they've got Ivan the terrible got it back together again and by about 1660 ish so for 400 years later they started taking back over Ukraine and it became part of Russia again and then and since then they've had a pretty much a united history and the only time since then that Ukraine's been independent is after the first what First World War the German with the Bolshevik Revolution and they the Russians signed a peace treaty with Germany called the Treaty of Brest-Litvosk in March 1918 before the war ended and it allowed the Germans to switch all their troops to the West to fight off because the the Bolsheviks made peace with them and part of that peace treaty granted an independent Ukraine because the Germans wanted to break up Russia so that was the first time ever they've been an independent Ukrainian state was a German puppet regime in the beginning of 1918 and that continued for a couple of years until the the Bolsheviks took proper control over Russia the Russian Civil War and then it was reincorporated into Russia in the Second World War when the Germans invaded again again they set up a puppet sort of state in the Ukraine and because again they wanted to divide and rule and then again obviously the Germans lost the war and it was reincorporated into into Russia into the Soviet Union as it then was with Soviet Union was just another name so it was the old Russian Empire and but the Soviet regime part of their philosophy was to recognize national minorities and regional groups so it split Russia up the Russian Empire up into lots of little provinces called SS at the Soviet-Soviet Republics the Ukraine was one of them it's considered the Ukraine Socialist Socialist Republic. Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia were Armenia, Georgia, Kazakhstan and the big areas where Borat supposed to come from out in the Russian states. They're all independent states now because well they never had been before most of them but they were the Russian the Soviet regime wanted to recognize the minorities within them and sometimes they put little independent semi-independent republics within these other republics to make them very unstable so they couldn't gain independence probably from from the Soviet Union but the when Russia collapsed in about 1991 they didn't when they set these things up they didn't think the Soviet Union was going to collapse they thought they were going to rule the world didn't they the communist regime thought they were going to come to the world so they didn't sort of anticipate the whole thing was going to fall apart which it did and immediately the Soviet central control weakened around 1990 when Gorbachev was was in charge all these separate areas wanted to become independent because it was the quickest way to get out of the sort of communist rule so the Ukraine had a referendum in 1991 and voted to leave the Soviet Union so they wanted to get even the very Russian part because the Ukraine's got very large Russian areas within it where Russian speakers live rather than Ukrainian speakers and they all voted to leave because they wanted to get out of the Soviet Union and it meant they were getting out as Ukraine so you can't really judge that referendum as a Ukrainian national referendum as such it was more I want to get out the Soviet Union referendum and the Ukraine in by then was at its biggest boundaries ever after the Second World War great huge Western areas were added to the Ukraine that they're taken from Poland Romania and what was then Czechoslovakia and the crime in the 50s the Crimea which had never been part of the Ukraine was added to it because the Soviet regime saw the Ukraine as their most favored sub-republic after the Russian part they wanted to favor them so they allowed extra territories to be added to Ukraine it clearly and say Crimea which had never ever been part of Ukraine before that and was very heavily Russian in population so that's the background but they all voted to leave the Soviet Union in 1991 understandably because they wanted to be in part of the Soviet Union no no one did really now just to come back here if you recall back then Germany the whole Eastern Bloc was collapsing and there was a big movement for East Germany to to unify with West Germany that was a big sticking point at the Berlin Wall and yet the Iron Curtain or the Watchtowers and stuff in between and Gorbachev who was the president of Russia then I don't know about his title he was in charge anyway he got an agreement with the West that he would he would not put any problems in the way of East Germany uniting with West Germany so long as the West would agree not to expand NATO and not take advantage of Russia backing off by by pushing right into them because Russia was very from the second world war and the first world war because of their experience with Germany attacking them they're very paranoid about having a defensive buffer zone in front of them selves from potential enemies so we agreed and it was given a solemn promise to Gorbachev we wouldn't expand NATO and it was repeated to Yeltsin do you remember Boris Yeltsin he was regarded in the West you know a bit of an eccentric character but he was also regarded as he was a the poster boy the West wasn't he they was a merry sort of guy you saw him dancing on there the old Russian generals tried a coup the Soviet generals tried a coup against the the reformers and Yeltsin led the rebellion and stuff you know flowers down the barrels of the tanks and danced on the tanks and all these sorts of things he was a hero of the West for being a reformer well in 94 he when he was in charge Russia he went to one of the summit meet East West summit meetings and blew his top at the Americans and the West trying to encroach upon this earlier agreement with Gorbachev not to expand NATO in in further East and they say oh no we won't do it so they've given these undertakings not to expand NATO or the EU for that matter which is as we know a political and military union it's not just an economic union further East and further East but Russia became weak in that very weak in that period and the West took advantage areas which were part of the Soviet Union such as Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia are now in NATO they're in the EU but all the Eastern European countries Poland the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Romania they're all in in the EU now and NATO and the boundaries have been pushing up and pushing up and pushing up into into Russia now during this time the Ukraine was ruled by well they had this independence referendum the parties that controlled the Ukraine which became a democracy but not a democracy as we properly know it to be fair because it's like the Russians they're not very there's lots of corruption in the Ukraine always has been but there is in Russia as well and it's not a pure sort of democracy but as much as it is an democracy the parties that won the elections and ruled the place all time were very pro-Russian and they wanted nice friendly relations with Russia and sorry for going on here the by the 2005 the West was swallowing up Poland busy strong up Poland and Bulgarian Romania and the Ukraine was left left its own devices by about 2005ish perhaps onwards the West started saying oh why don't you want to join the EU to a lot of these countries join the EU means they get lots of grants from the Europe and the political class I used to work in the European Parliament for a while and you can in the basement there with a car park is and you get all these porches with Lithuanian number plates on their political classes class is bought and paid for by the EU they've never known such riches and the salaries they get all the assistance or it's a money train for them and it's easy to buy the political class out there from some of the EU and they started seducing the Ukrainian political class and media and Americans as well in from about 2005 onwards and but nevertheless in 2009 there's another presidential election in the Ukraine and again the pro-Russian guy one but this process of seducing them with money and will come into the EU and everything will be graced and you have access to our markets really it's a Germany connect access to their market that's really what it's about and there's lots of agricultural land there and it's quite a wealthy area for the EU they they're trying to bribe them into it and that that process carried on and into that beginning of 2014 there was a bit of a crunch moment when the EU was trying to get them into the EU and the and this president said no I'd rather stick with Russia which is what he was sort of elected on really and there was a coup against him he was kicked out and so the the democratically elected president of the Ukraine was kicked out by pro-EU pro-American coup in 2014 right on the doorstep of Russia this area which at the beginning intimate relations and intimate links to Russia and as a result of that the whole it destabilized the whole situation that's pretty much soon as that happened Obama was the president of the United States then Biden was his vice president and that's when Hunter Biden went there and was loads of money to run an oil company out there when he had no experience it was always sort of corruption went on immediately after this Russian guy was pro-Russian guy pro-Russian Ukrainian president was toppled and as a result of that that's when Russia occupied the Crimea and took it back so okay in that case you can't have the Crimea anymore effectively as I said at the while ago the Crimea had never really been part of Ukraine anyway and so they effectively said oh when actually because of this coup they took back and then there's these two other border provinces that were a heavy Russian population as well declared independence really with Russian help quite honestly they sort of sent unofficial troops into helping that they broke away and as a result of Russia doing that they were kicked the you know the G7 he's been the G8 Russia used to be part of the G8 that was the G7 because Russia was kicked out they were kicked out the G8 which is a globalist group now one of the reasons why the West had always been picking on Russia and getting at it is because they hadn't been a very compliant member of the G7 G8 they're globalist constructs to help push the globalist economic agenda and they hadn't been very cooperative with it anyway so they wanted to get rid of them anyway and they used the the Crimea thing as an excuse to get rid of them which is a bit of a fake reason really because they said the Crimea has always been part of Russia historically and if you look at all the other countries that America's invade and attack it doesn't really stack up that you'd get a big hissy-fis over the Russians taking back the Crimea but never just they did and Russia's been excluded from these things like the G outside the outside the loop ever since and because Russia's outside the loop of the the globalist agenda agenda they've been gunning for them and pushing them and pushing them and trying to get Ukraine into the NATO and the EU ever since and that's the the background cause for why Russia eventually were pushed into into this shooting war now over the over the Ukraine. Wow right I'm gonna try and summarize this so essentially Ukraine has now doesn't have a long history of being an independent country it was part of the Soviet Union and of course with the collapse of the Soviet Union became that in modern history became an independent country it's got a pro- Russian population. Until certainly up to the election in 2009 when they still elected this guy as their president it was pro-Russian no doubt I've no doubt that the population has been seduced as populations in all across the world seduced by European money all would be better off in there and all sorts of no doubt that has happened as well. So they elected a pro-Russian pro-Russian president even who was removed in a coup backed by the West presumably? Yes pretty much an EU CIA backed coup in 2014 and this made an already nervous Russia because Russia had agreed with the West not to expand eastwards when the Soviet Union ended the West then went and expanded eastwards with both NATO and the European Union threatening Russia with the removal of this democratically elected pro-Russian president to be replaced by a president is it still the same president today? No there's been a couple of changes since then but okay and they are pro-West rather than pro-Russian. So this is making Russia ever more nervous? Yeah. At the time of this coup they went in and Russia took Crimea back and then declared independence at the same time. Yeah it's very very very messy. What's the West's game in all of this? Is it just globalism driving the West's game in this? I think so yes the I think they want to remove see I don't know I didn't think Putin would invade a few weeks ago because I don't know what the end game for him is I don't know how he can get out of it how can he because yeah people just say one thing just say oh whatever history the Ukraine may have had and whatever may have gone in on in you know 1260 when the Mongols invaded or something now it is an independent country and self-determination they can do what they like but in the world of realpolitik some countries when you're living next to a big much big country you can't do everything you want to do it's just that's just how it is and the West should not have pushed things by trying to bribe Ukraine into the into EU and NATO they didn't want trouble they didn't want trouble they shouldn't have done it so I think clearly the West did want trouble and did probably I think they probably wanted wanted to push Russia and Putin into a situation where he did something where they hope it could bust up and and get rid of Putin possibly that's possibly what they hope because I don't know I don't know how Putin gets out of this now once he's in he's certainly invading with 200 000 men that's nothing that's a drop in the ocean he invaded Iraq we invaded Iraq with a million so 200 000 into Ukraine is is small beer and they say that he's only probably about 50 000 of them in most of them aren't even invaded so if you can believe anything that anyone says about what's going on and so I don't know what his actual strategy is whether he intends to occupy the whole country which I doubt 200 000 isn't enough for that and what's he going to do if he does occupy the whole country he can hardly suppress the whole country with just 200 000 men if he puts someone in place he'd be regarded as a puppet ruler and would have a difficult time ruling so I don't know what his exit strategy is on this maybe he's only maybe he's only got very limited ambitions to take over a couple more border provinces I don't know but it is a very unstable situation but from my point of view I look at this really from what's best for for this for our country not any other country or even the Ukrainians I their self-determination is to be honest with you secondary to me to my my understanding what's in this country's best interest and a lot of people still think seem to think that Russia is communist now you get stupid sort of comments like it reminds me of Lord Raglan who is a British commander in the Crimean war ironically the Crimean war when we were fighting the Russians he fought with Wellington at Waterloo and the the French were obviously the enemies at Waterloo but in the Crimea they were our allies and when he was referring to the Russians he kept on calling them the French but and it's a bit like these people who now could go on about the Russians as if they're as if they're communists as if the Cold War's going on they're not the communist communism is a universalistic creed a bit like Islam if you like they want to take up the wanted to take over the world dominate the world Russia doesn't Russia just want now Russia just wants to be secure in its own borders I think it's in our interests to have a strong and secure Russia rather than an unstable one if Putin goes you'll have a another basket case country a bit like probably Iraq or Libya is now and we've we could do with a nice strong secure Russia and we certainly don't want to push Russia in the into the arms of China who along with Islam the two great existential threats that the West faces are in my opinion the rise of Islam and the rise of China and we don't we want Russia as an ally of ours against both of those threats actually and they are a natural ally of ours against both those threats so we don't want to weaken Russia we don't want to upset or antagonize Russia or make them feel vulnerable and lashing out because they want to defend their national vital interest which is what which is what they are doing now and is that why he upsets the globalist because he's a nationalist I'm not going to be quite I'm not I'm not going to paint Putin as a paragon of virtue but he's certainly not a globalist in the sense of the others and he's probably not someone that we would hold up as a great guy or anything like that necessarily but he he's certainly not a globalist and he's a thorn in their side which is why then undoubtedly why they want to get rid of him well they dislike him so much and what do you know about his relationship with China at the moment well they are building bridges China abstained when the United Nations Security Council had a vote against them against them China abstained China's been pretty friendly they're gonna they're slightly sitting on the fence but they're not they're certainly not um aligned with the western condemnation of him out of hand and they will naturally coalesce together they've they've had difficulties between Russia and China historically over the years a lot but they're we're pushing the globalist are pushing them into China's hands so what do you think of the UK's response and what should the UK's response to this be well if if it was if I would like to think if one of our people had been in charge it wouldn't have probably happened because he wouldn't have been part of the group threatening him and he wouldn't have felt threatened and wouldn't have done it if Trump had been president still for example I don't think it would happen because Trump fully appreciated the need not to push his tread on Russia's toes gratuitously and um he also had a degree of strength about him which which Biden doesn't say Biden combined weakness with um you know he made some stupid comment about all that Biden did about all if they just do a little invasion it won't matter something but I'm not actually sure whether that wasn't a deliberate thing to sort of get to encourage um Putin into doing it perhaps I don't know perhaps Biden wasn't so stupid but I don't think if Trump had been there it would have it would have happened at all because he would have not pushed them into a position where they'd have felt it necessary and similarly if we'd if one of our people had been in charge I don't think we would have done uh but now you know it obviously you get all these refugee things and all the rest of it just a whole bag of it coming up sending them weapons causing trouble yeah and frankly frankly I don't mind Russian oligarchs putting their money into into this country it's something that if you want them to invest anyway I think it's a positive thing to attract foreigners in the country I don't want to scare them off by in thinking they're going to get even I don't like Chelsea you know I don't mind if he gets the grammar gets gets his club taken away from him quite frankly but that's a purely a football matter but the um if we you scare these people off you know we we should be really wanting to have foreign investment into our into our economy because it helps these strong things our economy not scaring them up by saying oh if you do something we please we just agree with we'll they'll suddenly impound all your assets so I think that's a foolish move and um you know I don't I obviously wouldn't be sending them weapons stuff I wouldn't get involved I wouldn't get involved at all but if we'd been in charge I don't believe it would have happened anyway so what do you think is going to happen and it's difficult to predict but final question what do you think is going to happen uh what's the deal with no I don't um you can't really believe anything that's being said in the papers about what is happening on the ground I've got me I wouldn't presume to know um my the worst-case scenario is there's a big cock up from from Putin's position point of view they go over there tell him they like there's some sort of coup in Russia he's removed and some sort of western um pro-western face man is put in there and um Russia is incorporated into the globalist world that that's probably the worst-case scenario what happens I haven't got a clue so I don't know what the Russian exit strategy is if you go into something like that hopefully you'd have an exit strategy you send the tanks in they've got to come out again haven't they so with a better with a better outcome for you after they come out I don't know what their what their goal is any any other thoughts any other points um you want to make it it's very educational thank you well one of the other interesting aspects is that you drive here after much delay you've learned how to drive the petrol's gone through the roof isn't it it's 150 a point not a point 150 a liter or whatever it is isn't it a liter and um partly because the larger institute this this crisis and it showed again another thing Trump he was developing um fracking and getting uh chairloin which brought the price of developing new uh resort new uh resources fuel resources it brought prices down but since he's buying and putting a stock to it some of these pipelines and stuff and it's putting prices up and this again shows that we need to be uh even though I don't agree with with I don't think it would have happened this war with the in charge you need to be in some things some somewhat self-sufficient we should be doing fracking we should be having nuclear power all these other things which make us less vulnerable to these events that happen in other countries which are outside of our control and that that's another important feature of that's come out of this that we we should be developing our own oil industry better but we should in my opinion be fracking and and developing nuclear power I agree I agree well it's all part of globalism isn't it we should be self-sufficient we should all be dependent on each other yeah yeah and all and you know once someone in one side of the world sneezes and the whole world is a cold or covid yeah or cold and he thank you very very much for for that that is um I think people will learn a lot from that and and when you are told one narrative I don't trust it and since this began we've only had one narrative and and Putin has been demonised and like you said I don't think he's I'm not going to start waiving a beauty flag but it's not quite as it's being portrayed yeah so thanks for for clearing a lot of that up for us okay all right take care thanks again okay um oh that's a bit clear I mean it's good it's very good for us to hear an alternative view um and you won't hear that in the mainstream press why we are where we are why Putin is doing what he's doing and where globalism crucially where globalism comes in to all of this are they is the west and the globalist cabal trying to remove Putin has the media had a role in pushing Putin into this and made it more and more difficult for him not almost to invade it it's it is not as it's being presented to us and the globalist issue to me is crucial as is as eddie mentioned at the end there the price of fuel and it reminds us or it should remind us to become there is a need for us to become self-sufficient in terms of energy there are ways we can do it at covered energy in detail and in live stream recently there are ways of us becoming energy self-sufficient but globalists don't want that so a different take I hope you enjoyed it uh and I think you need to go on from this and perhaps do a little bit more research into the issues because it's vital for us to be fully informed okay thanks everyone for watching uh thanks again to eddie butler for that take on this and I shall see you monday live at eight o'clock on youtube thanks again take care