 عو بالله من الشيطون الرجيم بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم والصلاة والسلام على أشوف الأنبياء والمرسلين سيدنا ونبينا أب القاسم محمد العمين وعلى أهل بيته الطيبين الطاهرين المعصومين المفلومين ولعنا طلع على الداحم أجمعين من الآن إلى قيام يوم الدين آمين يا رب الآلمين أردتنا المشاهدين شكرا لكم دائماً على هذا الشيطان وخلال الآخر من المشاهدين المرسلة في كتبالا بعض الانتقالات المتصدرية ومثالي كيف يمكننا إدارها في تلك المتصدرية ومع كثيراً من السنة المرسلة، لقد تتحدثنا عن العالم من أفيزم ويجب أن تقوم with the whole conflict with those who do not believe in a God and how we can appropriately dialogue with them in a way which is befitting to both their worldview and our own of course tonight is a rather different night for most of you who are tuning in most of you of course are tuning in from the western world the English speaking nations I'm well aware that you are enduring what we currently know as the Christmas holidays and particularly tonight is the night of Christmas Day and so I thought I would take a bit of a change of pace and address a slightly different topic the reason for that is not in case anyone believes that we sheers are such innovators that we actually celebrate Christmas alongside everyone else of course some families may celebrate it as a festive season and as a particular seasonal holiday akin to celebrating any other national holiday but as a religious festival obviously we do not celebrate it and I am not celebrating it here from Kervala you do see some changes here in the city with some people pulling up Christmas lights and Christmas decorations but in general our sheer centres are free of Christmas celebrations just for anyone that gets confused by the title of tonight's show rather the title of tonight's show is a bit of a play on words because I was contacted by a youth today on one of my own private social media platforms and that youth had asked me to engage with a particular video that video was one which quite frankly was somewhat a waste of my time and I wish I could regain that time that I spent by watching it but none of the less I had been asked to address the video and I responded that I was not planning to do so because I've been so busy addressing my own wider family those who are not Muslims addressing them with greetings appropriate of the holiday season because it's a special day for them and of course Islam commands us to keep good family relations but my friend actually twisted my leg and gave me a bit of a push in the direction of addressing this particular video under the guise of well you can do it as a one-off Christmas special so that is exactly what I'm doing tonight I'm addressing something as a one-off Christmas special and inshallah I'm just doing so in order to reassure my friend who is quite disturbed by what he saw that such issues are not really issues we need to be more than more than aware of really these are not substantial issues and whilst the claims made were very grand claims they were none the less merely rhetorical claims claims which cannot be vindicated and when we filter through the rhetoric we see that they lack a heavy amount of substance so allow me to address the video head-on inshallah the video was of course a video of a person I know quite personally actually a very amicable gentleman who belongs to the sect which calls itself and his particular leanings if I'm not mistaken and he retains the same leanings that he used to affirm for himself and I'm sure he does because it has not been such a substantial amount of time that I have been in contact with this individual he leans towards the sect known as the Ahli hadith in the Indo-Pak region or otherwise known as the people who follow the Salafi the Salafis by their own vernacular in other parts of the world this video was called of course schooling the sheers and of course there's always this great rhetorical gladiator-like theme that goes on when we see people trying to put out such challenges and because it was done in a public place allow me to be quite clear it was done in a venue which we know as Hyde Park Speakers Corner a place I used to frequent quite heavily as a student we saw that the format utilized and the method of really putting out such information was done in a dare I say more boisterous and vocal wave and one might normally present information were it to be a public lecture or a public discussion but then again I don't want to judge because of course venues differ from others and dare I say this within the nature of Hyde Park Speakers Corner to have such people put on such entertaining I don't want to use the word acts but for a lack of better terms let's say such entertaining demeanors whilst addressing others so let's jump straight into the claims made by my friend out of respect for him and out of respect for his age he's been a very helpful person and as I said he's very candid despite the fact that we do differ theologically and he's quite respectful of the fact that life is a constant search for truth I don't want to disrespect him by mentioning his name and then referring to his claims in a way which shows that they lack much substance and so I will be addressing him as a candid friend for the duration of this video but of course those of you who are wondering what this video was called it was called schooling sheers or schooling the sheers of course and so that should tell you a little bit about the individual of course he's a frequent at Hyde Park Speakers Corner but he's one of the more respectful ones and therefore I wish to engage with him as respectfully as possible from the claims he made were of course the standard claim which many sheers if they meet more educated سوني دائز will hear which is that احل السنة or those who call themselves the احل السنة are actually the real followers of the احل البيت and the shea are quite far from the original teachings of the احل البيت may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon the احل البيت now of course this is a claim which many of us will have heard it's a claim which of course has to be made because dare I say we live in a world where when one first hears that shea have this attachment to the احل البيت and they first come across the concept of the احل البيت it's somewhat of a shocker for some because none of the other sects really place this emphasis on let's call to the احل البيت or let's show this special respect and veneration for the احل البيت may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them all and so when you hear a shea first speak about them there's this tendency to think to yourself wow who are the احل البيت and what's so special about them then you realize that the Prophet صلى الله عليه و آله had a special unit a family and that this family have a special مقام a special position within the religion of Islam now of course for those of you who might be hearing that for the first time I'm not talking about my viewers I'm talking rather about those who hear this for the first time if you follow the school of the احل البيت may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them they would be somewhat confused and their reaction after that can take several several different directions one of them would be to be very interested in learning about sheaism another one which dare I say all human beings suffer from to a certain degree is to be quite defensive defensive of what they already believe and to feel quite threatened by the fact that their beliefs are being challenged and normally under such a circumstance that's what someone will do is quickly do a quick Google search try and find some very quick answers because everything has to be so quick in this fast modern world that they want to dismiss the shea claim and one of the claims that will come across is of course that the shea's do not follow the imams rather the 12 imams for those who believe in the existence of the 12 or the 11 imams for those who deny the existence of our awaited savior may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon him and may Allah hasten his reappearance were actually followers of the Ahle Sunnah and the Jama'a this claim was of course the same claim put forward by my respected and amicable friend who happened to give this talk known as schooling the shea's now I have several reservations about this particular claim I think it's one that needs to be addressed head on and insha'Allah to Allah tonight in this what I've named sarcastically a Christmas special that is exactly what we're going to do and that is just purely for the amount of youth that contacted me about this video in order to show them that look this claim is nothing more than a grand rhetorical challenge which when you look beyond the surface facts and the contradictory claims made within it doesn't really pose much of a threat whatsoever and if anything is one which will expose the inconsistencies of the one making the claim and without further ado insha'Allah to Allah let's jump straight into the topic as I've mentioned those who follow any major sect of Islam would love to refer to themselves as the followers of the Ahl al-Bayt of the Prophet صلى الله عليه و آله for numerous reasons firstly when a shea first meets an individual one of the major claims they will put forward is to introduce them to the narration we now know as حديثة ثقلين of the two weighty things ثقل is something very important which is left behind so the Hadith of the two weighty things is a narration which is generally cited and of course those Sunnis who hear it for the first time would be very confused why because from their pulpits all over the world for some strange reason we hear the general fabricated narration or the general weak narration rather which states I leave behind amongst you two weighty things which if you hold onto them you will never go astray the book of Allah and my sunnah and my practice when one hears this they generally would be confused as to what this means what does it mean that this is one of the two weighty things left behind but dear viewers we're going to take a quick break in which I explain this even further dear respected viewers thank you for joining us on that short commercial break rather it wasn't very commercial because no commercials were shown but the reason we took that break was of course due to a technical issue and that technical issue is one that should be apparent for any viewer that's watching of course that technical issue is as people broadcasting live from the holy city of Karbala or anyone recording from the holy city of Karbala particularly in such a strategic location where we have the shrine of Abul-Fadl al-Abbas behind us you would always hear at such a time of the evening or even during the day large amounts of visitors pilgrims who have come to visit the shrine of Imam al-Hussain may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them both reciting eulogies in their own native languages and that is exactly what we have in the background so dear viewers I do apologize for any difficulties which one picks up in terms of sound but this is merely one of the sacrifices we have to make and indeed one of the honors that we have to face in the holy city of Karbala back to the topic we were originally discussing one would normally be confused as to what is the true narration is it that the prophet has left behind his sunnah and his and the Quran or is it actually that he has left behind the Ahl al-Bayt and his and the Quran the answer to that is of course obvious for anyone that watches Shia programs regularly you will not find a single authentic narration in which the holy prophet is stated to have said I leave behind two weighty things ثقلين yes there are some narrations that say I leave behind two things but as for ثقلين you will not find this particular terminology rather you will find that he leaves behind a book and the Ahl al-Bayt now this leads to some confusion if that's the case does that mean that the Shias are the right ones for claiming to follow the Ahl al-Bayt and why haven't I never heard my preachers my scholars saying that they follow the Ahl al-Bayt and this is what the question really leads to so the dilemma put forward by the honorable speaker in the video was that Shias do not really follow the Ahl al-Bayt and one of the reasons for that is the claim of transmission that we can't really trust what the Shias claim to follow rather we and he would be coming from an Ahli Hadith or a Sunni perspective happen to follow the Ahl al-Bayt is this claim true can we move beyond the surface level facts and reach a proper conclusion on this particular claim I believe it's actually real easy to understand that the Shias are really the followers of the Ahl al-Bayt on this issue by pointing out one single fact which completely demolishes the claim of the others namely what does it mean to be a Shia and what are the legitimate sources of for the Shia what are the legitimate sources of jurisprudence and guidance for those who call themselves the Ahl al-Sunni it would be any narration which is authentically transmitted back to the Prophet but for the Shias they would say that anything which is demonstrated to come from the Ahl al-Bayt people like Ali ibn Abi Talib people like Al-Hasan and Al-Hussein may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon them as long as it can be proven to go back to them then we are compelled to follow it but this leads to a dilemma because the question is do those who call themselves the Ahl al-Sunni also compel themselves to follow such things and that's a legitimate question that we want to be asking we find that not only do they not claim to follow such things but on the contrary their own statements bespeak quite the opposite that they don't follow them this is found in the manuals of what we call the science of what is the philosophy of jurisprudence الزرق شي in his book volume 6 page 450 he states issue 6 the consensus of the Ahl al-Bayt the Ijma of the Ahl al-Bayt is not a hujja and the intended meaning of the Ahl al-Bayt here is Ali and Fatima and Hasan and Hussein رفوان الله عليهم according to the particular individual here who is الزرق شي and he says that is to say that the Ijma of the Ahl al-Bayt is a legitimate hujja now if you're a Sunni and you're wondering well how does that prove you follow the Ahl al-Bayt well on a theoretical level it does because what your Sunni scholar here is admitting is that if it's proven that Ali and Fatima and Hasan and Hussein with a peace and blessings of Allah had a position then that position is not a binding hujja it's not an authority on you meaning what? meaning you don't follow them whereas your own scholar admits that it is a binding position on the Shia so at least at the theoretical level we Shia start off with a point of following them and that makes us quite different from the Sunnis likewise أبو إسحاق إبراهيم بن علي الشي رازي in his book أصول الفقة it states on page 386 now this is an individual volume اتفاق أهل البيت رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ليس بهجة وقالة الرافظة هو هجة again he states once that the agreement of the Ahl al-Bayt is not a hujja but the Shia who he refers to as the Rafa say that it is a hujja another statement of recognition likewise الرازي states in his book اجماء العترة وحدها ليس بهجة خلافا للزايدية والإمامية لنا إن عليا I put according to his statement ربي الله عن خالفه والسهاب في كثير من المصائل ولم يقل لأحد من من خالفه إن قولي هجة فلا تخوا فلا تخالفوني so he says again that the statements of the Ahl al-Bayt the statements of the progeny of the prophet he uses the word اترة are not a hujja and he gives the example that many Sahaba went against Ali and never once did Ali actually say to them people my opinion is a hujja so what we see is at the theoretical level we start off with the Ahl al-Sunnah do not follow the Ahl al-Bayt and the shea submit to the opinion of the Ahl al-Bayt this is clear for anyone to see who goes into the books of صول الفق for the people who follow the Ahl al-Sunnah now someone might argue that these people are not Salafis so why should I really take what such individuals say as a particular proof that we don't follow the Ahl al-Bayt these could be the people of the مظاهب and the people of the مظاهب might differ from the people who follow the Salafis excellent we come now to the statement of ابن أثايمين in his book في التعليق على صحيح مسلم volume 9 page 80 he states it is not possible for us to fault the companions and they are giving allegiance to أبي بكر ابن أبي كهافة and actually say that the right is with علي ابن أبي طالب in what علي ابن أبي طالب عليه السلام صور لأن ما رأىه علي ربي الله عنه مخالف للظاهر ما جاءت بيهي السنة لأن ما علي صور يقوم بالمشاهد عن ما يأتي so again we see according to this admission there's not a following of علي ابن أبي طالب now whether or not you want to argue علي ابن أبي طالب can make mistakes that's a different issue we're asking the question who follows the Ahl al-Bayt so what we see from these statements is someone that says such things does not follow the Ahl al-Bayt not at all such statements are not things which give us confidence that someone follows the Ahl al-Bayt now in regards to whether or not the narrators of the Shia are Muchul Muchul according to this video it means unknown unknown here is to say that we can't trust the narrators of the Shia because they're not known to the books of Raja let me ask the question to the respected brother in the video if these people were not unknown if they were known in the Shia books of Raja would that mean that you would follow them no because there's plenty of narrations from known people in the Shia books of Raja and you don't follow them either so why are you bringing forward contradictory claims and claiming that these are legitimate points of conflict that would give us confidence in rejecting the Shia school of thought again this is a case of what I call personal pontification which is that the Sunni religion has laid down a certain criteria of evidence for what they think is true and they want to impose that same criteria onto everyone else this is not fair and it's not engaging in a dialogue it's called a monologue but for those who want to be confused by such issues we ask Allah to guide you by the right of the slain martyr here in Karbala Imam al-Hussain dear viewers I thank you for joining us on this very short Christmas special and I'd like to thank the viewers for sending this video to my attention even though it was a waste of my time and I plan not to engage in such in future it was necessary for me to address such claims but tomorrow we will return back to our usual topic والسلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته