 RCR with Paul Brennan, reality check radio. All right, it's Friday morning already again. And Friday morning is our political panel morning here at reality check radio, our panelists. If I was to beat you guys up, I'd be a panel beater, right? I would be. Cam Slater, Olivia Pearson and Marty Gibson, welcome back to RCR. And can I say what a week it's been? Has it been a week? It's always been a week. It's been a week and it's been spectacular. And this is why I love election year. There's just cockups and missteps and walk backs. And we've seen all of them. In fact, we've seen so much walking back from one particular party. You think they're challenging the French at the annual walking backwards or marching backwards competition. Walking back to happiness. I remember that song, maybe not. Okay, Olivia, how are you? Well, thanks, Paul, really well. Glad to be here. Yeah, glad to have you. And Marty, you still hanging out at Papamoa there at the Florida of New Zealand? The Florida of New Zealand. Yeah, and I've been some good weather and just existing on this high fiber diet of New Zealand media with some of various responsibilities. There's a lot of training to get any nutritional value. And if you have too much, it gives you the shits. But you might take it. You might take a little stop during this. Is that what you say? Oh, no, I should be right. Okay, keep it in for a bit. Okay, so where do we start? Let's start on the polls. Roy Morgan, Paul, what's it telling us? Well, what we're seeing is that we've still got a very close race. We're national an actor on 45% and they're just ahead of Labour and Greens on 43%. And the Maori party's sitting there looking like they're king makers. But the problem is, is they're actually going to only go one way. And that's with the communists and the slightly less communist Labour Party. So it's a pretty close election still. There's a lot of people who are saying stupid things like, ah, but the polls are always wrong. Or, sure, they give you an indication of where things are heading. Where things are heading is nowhere good at the moment. But the campaign fully hasn't started. So you're not seeing New Zealand first coming through on that just yet because Winston is only just starting to arc up. Yeah, but are we getting back on track? That's what I want to know. Well, I think that the back on track for the National Party did a reverse ferret or on Wednesday. They, well, Christopher Luxon has not learned that the media are out to get him. He still thinks they're his friend. And he thinks that just because somebody asks him a question, he has to answer it and hasn't learned to dodge. And they set him up a beauty on Wednesday, asking him about the cost of prescriptions for contraceptives. And the stupid fool gave this sort of intellectual argument about, well, you know, we should be looking at cost-effective ways of making sure that those in need are covered. And it just ended up with headlines and the Labour Party sending out press releases. They were all bad for Luxon. And I'm sitting there just shaking my head and thinking. So what would be the best way to handle that if you were him? You just say, like, I'm not going to answer that. Yeah, next question, please. I mean, I've taught politicians to answer questions without answering. And it's actually quite easy. What this says, well, that's a good question that you've got there. But I think at the moment, there's more important things to worry about in New Zealand, like the cost of living, like rampant inflation out of control government debt, the Reserve Bank doing crazy things with interest rates, improper spending. We've got a prime minister and an education minister. I think we get it. He talked about everything else, right? I think we get it. He talked about everything else. And he can't do that. He's like the David Shearer of the National Party. And he thinks that because they ask you a question, you've got to answer what they've asked. Why would they have asked that question anyway? I mean, because it was a setup. I mean, about 10 minutes after he said it, I had an email in my inbox from the Labour Party expressing outrage. It was a setup. The media would prepped on that. They've they've wargained. The Labour Party's wargained how to get Luxon. And they've said, well, this is going to be an issue. This is a women's issue thing. Let's get him free condons. Well, exactly. But he just doesn't cover those things. He can't sniff out a trap, you know. And if he wants to be the prime minister, he needs to be able to sniff out a trap. I mean, he's running out of time and feet to shoot at at the moment. This is no way an issue, Olivia. Is it what we're talking about here? I mean, it's it's just such small potatoes. But I know that Cam's got Cam's probably correct that it was a set up that he got asked about a woman's issue. And he he, you know, went and admitted that what the women have to pay five dollars for a prescription fee for contraception. And one less cheeseburger. Yeah, yeah, one less coffee. And it's stuff or nothing, you know. Yeah, it's nothing. And I mean, I mean, this is just shows you how socialist New Zealand is. I mean, if contraception is a value for you and when you don't want to have a child, it is. Cough up your five bucks. I mean, it's not that difficult. That's an academic argument that gets you headlines that Christopher Luxon ended up with that. Oh, he's going to charge women for contraception. That's I mean, where is his handlers saying, that's a third rail. Don't touch that. You know, like I said in my article on Thursday morning, he's doused himself in petrol and then he's gone dancing strapped on ballet slippers and gone dancing on the third rail. You know, it's it's just stupidity. It's just an issue that you just don't need to talk about. There's bigger things to talk about. You sideline it. Say, no, I would status quo as we were out on that. That it and move on to what you really want. He needs an earpiece. So the person go, well, I don't answer that. Well, he needs a brain. No, OK. The problem with the next level. I picked this about about Christopher Luxon a long time ago and I said he's got two ears and he's got one mouth. And that's the ratio of God intended you to use them, right? But he thinks he's got two ears and four mouths. And he's also, you know, to quote, Father Ted got five arses and that's mostly where he speaks from. And no hair. Well, he's not going to get elected with no hair. We know about the we know about the numbers on all people being elected. There are only dictators, right? We're going to only dictators or they've won two massive wars, like Dwight D Eisenhower. Yeah, there are a few exceptions. Marty, got anything to say about? Well, Luxon's, you know, he couldn't have won with that. If he had offered free contraception to beneficiaries, he would have been a eugenicist. Exactly. Don't don't touch anything that implies that you think women should take responsibility. He is in this election because that's what labor is fighting for. Just doing it, being big daddy government. Any state. Nanny, they didn't do any damage, though, would that have done damage? OK, a thousand cuts of the moment with Christopher. I said, and I saw a headline saying national. Cam, you'd know this better than me from reading this article. You know, we're starting to acknowledge that it was a problem. I don't know what options they've got to dig themselves out of it. Do they not sit down and say, OK, let's look at this. Honestly, you did this, you did that. I mean, you really can't do that anymore. You've got to do this, you've got to do that. Is someone there doing that? Well, they should be. But the problem is, is that under John Key, National became corporatised. And so they have the CEO mentality that, you know, it's all about the team. And when they say that, they really mean me. There's no iron team, but there's a me if you look really hard. And they want everyone to have this cult of personality, you know, and you look at Luxon's speeches, you know, so a national government that I lead, you know, when I see lines like that, it doesn't matter what political party, I'm certainly going, this is all about you, isn't it? And he's trying to make that transition from business to politics and he's failing badly at it. And John Key had six years to get ready for that. Luxon's had barely three. So these are things that are given for people like me who have been in politics since we could crawl. For someone like him, he's still thinking that he can issue orders and that there will be somebody held accountable and then they can blame them for that. And I'll smell of roses still. And that doesn't work in politics. The buck stops at the top. And it doesn't matter if it was a staff member that has screwed up. You're still the fool that was in front of the camera. And that's what they've forgotten. When you're the CEO of New Zealand, hardly anybody ever sees you other than when you're glad handing the new uniform or the fancy new biscuits that are being handed out. You know, they only do good stuff. They never do bad stuff. New safety video. Yeah. And I heard that ad where his various MPs were saying, he's got a plan, he's got a plan. And I just thought, you know, if they had said, we've got a plan, I would have felt a whole lot better about it. He's got a I'm not hearing. I'm not seeing that plan. I'm not feeling the plan. It's to get back on track. Yeah, big. Where were you? You need to get big, big on the track. They're never going to live that one down. No. So how long has he got to? I mean, is there any way he can modify his approach? Given there's still a bit of wiggle room time? No, I don't believe that he's got the wherewithal the skills or the ability to reverse a lifetime of talking crap. If he was to appeal to anyone, who would it be? I don't know. Richard Prebble in this week's paper. That's what I was thinking about. Yeah, I thought he had Bob Jones. A weird take on that. Yeah, well, he was on this program talking about that and was because he ditched the Maori Party. But you know, who suggested that first? I did with Muriel Newman a month ago. They were listening. Yeah, they do listen. They this is what people say to me. Why do you why are you constantly, you know, bagging the National Party on your website? You know, we should be backing them. And I'm saying, well, no, I want better than that. Begging. I want you should be backing them back on track. I want them to be better. I want Christopher Luxon to be better. Yeah. And he's not. And in the sycophants, the blinkered blue rinse people with blue t-shirts and, you know, he's a lovely man. He's a lovely man. He's he's done great things in his business career. We need to vote for him because he's not Christopher Hickins. Sorry, there's not a reason to vote for somebody. There were no crashes while I was running the airline. How many crashes were there? No, well, in the world, three, five, eights of stuff. All that's down to engineers anyway. It's like a joke came where the birds freezing in a paddock and a cow comes and craps on him and he starts singing happily and warms up and then a cat drags him out and eats him. And the moral of the story is not everyone who craps on you as your enemy and not everyone who pulls you out of the craps, your friend. Yeah, it's in the National Party. And it's the same in labor. In fact, it's probably a bit more vicious in the Labour Party. But in the National Party, if you don't tow the line and tug your forelock, doff your cap, get down on bended knees and praise the leader, then you're considered a pariah. And in a tally of, you know, I still get emails from you. I, you know, I thought you were in that, you know, and you're bagging Luxon and others. They just seem to accept mediocrity. And I've never accepted mediocrity in my entire life. And I'm not about to start now. Olivia, what does he have to do to to hook the the the women's vote? I wouldn't. I honestly wouldn't have a clue. Well, it's I gave up a national a long, long, even before John Key. So that's how I'm asking. I am from the whole party. I was always came as always deeply loyal because of his background to the National Party. But came they have been mediocre for a long, long time. That's all they've had. The thing with the National Party, you say, what can they do? You might think, oh, let's roll them. Well, the National Party will never do that because they are cowards. Ultimately, they're cowards. So they go down with the ship before they, you know, plug, plug Billy. When when Bill English was the leader twice and failed twice, they go, oh, no, he's still got the most votes, you know, in 2000 and 17. Well, he was he the prime minister? I don't know. That's right. He lost. It was Jacinda Ardern. So he lost. But the thing with the National Party is that the board and the management of it and the MPs, they are the ultimate status quo. That's why they never change anything that the Labour Party has ever done because we don't look at election year this year. So we don't want to rock the boat. You know, that's why that took them forever to get rid of Peter Goodfellow as the president that because they don't want to rock the boat. And then the next year, they never want to rock the boat. Exactly. They are the ultimate status quo party. And it means that they become moribund and boring. And so in election year, well, we can't rock the boat. And after the next election, they go, oh, well, we did really well. We can't really replace the president or the leader now because we won the election. And then the next year, they go, oh, well, you know, it's the middle year and it's not really the right cycle. And then the next year, it's election year again, and we get the same old they don't want to rock the boat. I wonder what Steven Joyce is making of this, because I mean, I mean, there's a smart man and he's always been wedded to the National Party. I'm wondering what he's thinking about, Luxem. I think he's tearing out the last remaining hairs that he has on his head. His takes in the Herald, and I didn't catch one this weekend, but they're always razor sharp. And you think, well, be good if Matthew, the National Party read them and they're not talking or because they're pretty, you know, I mean, I think the week before last, you basically handed them their election election campaign. But like I said, Christopher Luxen has two years in one mouth and he uses them in the reverse ratio. He'd rather he's like Jordan Williams and Nicola Willis and Chris Bishop. These people have been through university and school debating teams and university debating teams. They are utterly convinced of their own brilliance and their own argument that they believe that if they can just talk at you for another 15 minutes, that you'll be convinced of their brilliance, too. But we never are. I just like to see a bit of humility that comes across, you know, like. You're asking narcissists, psychopaths and sociopaths to have humility. There's always hope. No. OK, let's balance that out. What's this, Tannetti Hipkins delaying OIA to suit political agenda around? I think it's attendance, isn't it? Yeah, the attendance levels crash. There was an official Information Act request asking for the attendance levels. Jan Tannetti was wanting to make some announcements around what they were going to do to arrest these appalling numbers. She had the numbers, of course, in advance, then basically lied about knowing that she had those released them several months late. And now it's come out that Chris Hipkins office was involved in the delays of those. And this is the sad thing about it. We'll be the only people talking about this because on the day that this information came to light, there was Christopher Luxe and inserting female contraceptives into his mouth, followed by his feet. He could have made hay with that. He could make. Look, it's the target rich environment with this ineptocracy that's leading us at the moment. You know, there's so many things that are wrong. And, you know, Christopher Luxe is not even getting close to hitting the ball out of the park. He's not even getting close to hitting the ball and he keeps tripping over his own feet. And, you know, these things are bread and butter politics to whack them and all Christopher Luxe is doing is taking a baseball bat, handing it to Christopher Hipkins and saying, bash me. Without wanting to jinx anyone, Cam, who do you reckon would be better in that cabinet in that cork? In the National Party. Well, I literally don't care by everyone asked me this. And then they go, oh, Erika Stanford. Well, the Labour Party is just etching for Erika Stanford to take a position in a senior leadership position in the National Party. They're just begging for it. They're hoping and praying. I'm not going to say that online on here. I don't want to get you guys in trouble. So but but but let me tell you, they they are talking loudly, so loudly at me sitting here in Takapuna, I can hear them talking about what they're going to do if Erika Stanford takes a leadership position of the National Party. But I literally don't care because I'm just going to do what I'm going to do. I'm a political commentator. I write things as I see them. And if I feel like talking about the National Party, I'll talk about the National Party. If I feel like talking about the Labour Party, I'll talk about the Labour Party. If a politician does something stupid, I'm going to write about them. But do I care about the parties and not one's act? And was there every time you did? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And, you know, that's the one thing that Nicky Harger did a great favor to me is that he taught me the value of being a political or agnostic when it comes to politics. And, you know, I thank him for that. And I'm glad he wrote the book that he did and it made me a better commentator. And he was trying to destroy me and he actually made me better. And so, Nicky, if he's if he's listening to this, thanks a lot, Nicky. You've really improved my life out of sight. And I'm a better political commentator because of it. I wonder if we should worry so much, though, about the absenteeism at school because of what they're teaching them there anyway. Exactly. I mean, who wants your children to go to school? But the story really is the fact that the OAA is there's a massive lag. They don't want any transparency on actually what the government's doing. But everyone seems to be done with democracy, you know? I mean, to even just talking about politics now, as we are doing, you seldom we seldom actually get to discuss or partake in the exchange of ideas. It's not ideas. It's a little concrete bound points. And so direction. My Usher. Yeah. So we're wandering in a train carriage and discussing which seat to sit in. But back on track. The rails. Yeah, let's get that big on track. Without knowing where the train's going. Yes, the direction of the rails is out of the control of of your average voter. Yeah, it's politics used to be a debate of ideas. And sadly, it's just a debate of, you know, silly, busy nothings. Well, probably many people would characterize what we're doing here. It's sort of kind of nasty, you know? Boo hoo. Nice. You know, these those the horrible talk to the head because we're critical. Yeah. Well, you're so mean, Cam. You're so cruel. You know, it's like the the the the woman who thinks she's a man who's upset at Unikem pharmacy for saying something. She wants a boycott. Right. And the Herald runs a headline and says, Oh, man, disgusted at Wave Street. And I just tweeted, sorry, sweetie, you're not a man. Oh, you should have seen the vitriol that descended on me. I mean, of course, I did it on purpose. But it's just insane that we're supposed to believe that's rubbish. You know, it's very difficult when everything's this insane and absurd. It's very difficult. I mean, many of us do actually care about the ideas and we, you know, we have a love for this country and we patriots and we have a vested interest in the future for the next generations and all that. Yet the major issues of our time do not get properly discussed. They don't get debated. I mean, where do you go to hear a debate anymore? Yeah, we're not allowed to debate. You know, if you say something about Maori in any way, that's not the approved version or, you know, greed, talking points. You're a racist. You're a colonialist or designed to shut down debate. Isn't it? And what they're really saying is shut up. And it's the same with, you know, the Posey Park at debate. I mean, I've listened to what she's got to say and she's a bit shrill. And I find it annoying, but she can she can be annoying. That's the thing. You're allowed to be annoying. Not that annoying. Oh, she's fabulous. What's fabulous is that she unhinges these fruit loops who think they're women and they actually use violence. And the left is terrible. I mean, that was what Nikki Hager's entire premise of dirty politics was to try and shut me up because I was effective. And that's their entire strategy all the time. It is to shut people up who are effective voices, talking sense and debating issues, and they don't want to debate the issues debated. They want you to shut up. Yeah. Why? Why don't why doesn't anyone in the media? Why doesn't politicians say, well, thank you for that comment about that. But you know what, you're crazy. You're just wrong. And most people would go, oh, it's last, it's last. Someone actually said it. I'll be waiting for that. So no comeback despite this OIA thing and people covering it up and Hipkins office pulling it back or whatever. It's not going to be reported. So no way ever is equivalent to the Luxon thing. No, well, what's happened to each other out or anything like that? But Jan Tinedi has been reported to the Privileges Committee. If you have a look at the makeup of the Privileges Committee, it's stacked with Labour MPs. So nothing's going to happen there. Hipkins will just ignore it. The media are a lock for the Labour Party. And you've seen that, you know, it constantly today, you know, the effects checking the Labour soft on crime, all the surprising statistics that show they're not, you know, despite, you know, rampant street crime and ram raids and violence occurring in malls and shops all around the country. Oh, no, we're just imagining that, you know, the police minister is still gaslighting us. And, you know, Jenny Anderson's got to get an honourable mention because she was the gaslighter of the week last week. She can't win it this week, but we can give her an honourable mention for it. OK. All right. Moving on. At last I'm seeing the WHO come up in things. Is Winston starting to wake up to the bigger picture? Well, at least I'm glad we've got one politician out there who is highlighting exactly what's going on at the WHO. I mean, really, when you I've been combing through those any documents that give us information on what they're planning. And really, if New Zealand signs onto this, we're done. We're totally done because it's such a smacking of our freedoms. And that that piece that was in stuff, Katie Kenny title, know the WHO isn't about to deprive New Zealand of its sovereignty. Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. And I mean, you know, I've been. What's his name? Beautiful. Love him to pieces. Layton Smith on his podcast had on Dr. David Bell, who's a senior scholar at Grandstone. Oh, yeah, I had him, too. Yeah, he's really cool. Oh, I miss that. Paul, he's been down in the who for a long time. He's seen it from the inside. So he knows what he's talking about. But I mean, basically, he lays out that the proposed international health regulations, which are the amendments, reverse the whole understanding of having to work within the framework work of the Universal Human Rights Declaration taken it out. Yes, so, for instance, where it reads an article three under principles, the implementing implementation of these regulations shall be with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons. There's now a big line through that phrase. And it now reads the implementation of these regulations shall be based on the principles of equity, inclusivity and coherence. So I mean, that is completely don't even know what it means. Well, I mean, well, nobody does equity, inclusivity and coherence means whatever they want it to mean. But the underlying equality of individuals is removed and the rights become subject to a status that's determined by others based on a set of criteria that those others get to define. He goes on and says states will accept the who is the authority in international public health emergencies, elevating it above their own ministries of health. Well, I mean, hello. Hello. Yeah. I mean, we've actually lived through this because this is what we got under covid. We know that just under was sort of, you know, saluting all the time the overseas supernatural supernatural bodies. But it's absolutely chilling. And of course, David Bell also mentions that unsurprisingly to observers of the covid-19 response, these proposed restrictions on individual rights under the DG's discretion include freedom of speech. The who will have the power to designate opinions or information as misinformation or disinformation and require country governments to intervene and stop such expressions and dissemination of ideas they don't like. This will run up against national constitutions like the US Constitution, but will be a boon to dictators and one party regimes. And it's, of course, as we've said, incompatible with the universal declaration of human rights. But these are no longer considered the guiding principles for the who. So if they're not going with if they're not guiding principles anymore, you know, those little pesky things for human rights, this is full blown dictatorship. And of course, it's not just health. That's how they're going to sell it. They are hugely involved in climate change and health related issues to climate change, whatever they are. So it's chilling around. Can I be a conspiracy theorist for a moment? I want to see what you think about this. There's that RFP for what the disinformation project is kind of written for them. So there's that we found out about that last week. And that's only for three weeks that runs and then then they do the work. The Free Speech Union leaked supposedly embargo documents, which were released anyway, which talks about the new censorship regime, let's say. So there's that. And then there's this. It's all coming together quite nicely, isn't it? Well, I don't think it's a conspiracy. We talked about this, you know, I think two weeks ago when we see the difference between a conspiracy theory and factors three weeks, it's running it about that. It's two weeks, actually. Two weeks. You know, there are conspiracies. I'm sorry, there's conspiracy theories, but there are real conspiracies. They go on all the time. I don't know why people. But these are all the bits you need. A vision to the term conspiracies. These are all the peace parts you need to make all this work. But the reason why they call us conspiracy theorists or that, you know, we believe in these conspiracies, it's going back to that same argument. What we're going to do is we're going to derive those people. We're going to other them. We're going to silence them by ridiculing them. These are this is all the playbook that Yosef Goebbels wrote that Adolf Hitler imposed. And, you know, some of this who stuff when you read it, you know, we were discussing this yesterday, Olivia, it reads like the one C conference. It does read like the one C conference, you know, and where they all get together and create this corporate vision that we're going to do all of these things. And countries like New Zealand that don't have a written constitution where human rights are abrogated on a seemingly daily basis by the police, by the government. We saw this with the mandates with we've got a Bill of Rights Act that's toothless and meaningless. And when you actually said, no, actually, you know, I've got a right to refuse that. And they said, well, it's good, but you're not going to have a job. Tough shit. Those human rights were trampled by the government. The media joined in parroting their lines and walloping anybody who stood up for those human rights. And the police showed that their respect for the law is scant at best. And we the pandemic showed us that it doesn't take very long to move us to a totalitarian environment where people who speak up are silenced and abused and demonised and segregated and and it just carries on like that until somebody actually does something about it. But unfortunately, Kiwis are so laid back. They're they're well, they wouldn't do anything like that to us, would they? Also, what they did, they didn't do it to us. Well, I know they did. But that's what people kind of think. They wouldn't do that to us. Did you did you catch that interview? James Corbett did with RFK Junior, where and it's in his book as well. They drilled these a pandemic multiple times, CIA, all of these different bodies. And the drills were not about how to manage health so much as how to take control of the media and pivot all these Western democracies into authoritarian regimes. So, I mean, well, they did it, didn't they? They've done it. And I think that's that's the hardest thing is seeing those different niches in humanity that have been covered up with affluence. And, you know, the people who burn witches at the stake is still right there. The witch finder generals are still there. And it runs on euphemisms. You know, there's euphemisms for everything that's ugly and inhumane. I mean, every time we stood up during the covid pandemic for our Bill of Rights or made noises about it, we were the response was always, I said, you're perfectly OK with killing grandma. I think they really believe that, though, and putting that up as a kind of mission statement. That's just a way to get people again to do what you want. And that's a way to apply. Well, yeah, they knew that, too. I mean, Kirsten Murphock wrote submission to Parliament. This is she's the democracy NZ candidate for Tauranga. I know personally very. Just studious lady and does dots rise and crosses a tease. Smart lady. Yeah. And, yeah, they they knew, even as they were doing the two shots for summer, and that it didn't stop transmission, that the best way to get people to take it was to say it was going to stop transmission. Which we know it was a lie. It was a lie. We knew they were lying. Even as I said it. Bison, you go a line at the one Z conference at the one Z conference, which was what? Reinhardt, Hadrick, Adolf Lakeman, Wilhelm Helm, Stuckart, who wrote all the Nuremberg race laws, you know, those kinds of men getting together and drinking champagne and eating canapes as they talked about the final solution and very civilized tones, of course. They kept talking about evacuation, the evacuation of Jews from Europe. That was the euphemism. But, of course, it meant extermination. And even Stuckart, who wrote the Nuremberg race laws, had an issue about just exterminating women and children. He wanted them sterilized. He wanted to sterilize sterilized. You know, and he basically made a bit of a plea down that line because he felt that you would end Jews in Europe if you could just sterilize them and then do it by the law. Because, of course, that altered the laws to not include Jews anymore. And Hadrick turned around and said, we will not sterilize every Jew and wait for them to die. We will not sterilize every Jew and then exterminate the race. That's farcical. Dead men don't hump. Dead women don't get pregnant. Death is the most reliable form of sterilization. Put it that way. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Look, this must be Winston's opportunity. Cam, you can speak to this probably. Yeah, I think I think Winston's poise to launch. He's he's, of course, not going to do what David Seymour is doing directly attacking the National Party. David Seymour can't attract any votes off labor or the Greens. So he has to attack the National Party. But the problem with David Seymour's strategy is it doesn't grow the pie. Winston has got a viable strategy to play the center. Or, in fact, he's probably sent to right, given how left wing Luxon has taken the National Party. So he can actually still appeal, though, to those center voters in that voted labor at the last election. We were looking at Christopher Luxon and going, sorry, and there's a whole lot of women out there would look at Winston and go, well, he's got a full head of hair, snappy suits, dresses really well. Oh, he's definitely an old handsome fox. Yeah, he's a sort of the silver fox. And they'll say, oh, you know, he's a bit of a rascal and a scallywag. But, you know, the things he's saying, you know, I agree with that. You know, he's he's attacking this woke stuff, you know, and any and all Winston has to do is ride that wave all the way to the election and we could be looking at an upset. How big of an upset, potentially? Well, right now I'm sitting at about three and a half to four and a half. The campaign hasn't got started. A traditional election campaign would see him, you know, move over that five percent, but nationals just not firing. And we're seeing them in the polls. They're just static. There's not growing that that that list of that vote. You know, actors doing incredibly stupid things at the moment, poaching MPs coming out with a whole lot of cockamamie statements. David Seymour just looks super silly as in lightweight. No one's interested, mate. No one cares, mate. No one cares, mate. Yeah. And it's just dismissive. He he he's an awful politician, really. And he's he's another one of these people who's so convinced of his own brilliance and that he's the smartest man in the room. But he doesn't realize that he's the only man in the room. Where did he get those elderly women bodyguards from? No idea. I know the ones you mean. Oh, my God. I thought we were going to give Seymour a guest later. Oh, yeah. I thought it's on. It's on. Let's do that now. Should we award it now? It seems we mentioned the cost. Well, surprise now. I don't want those women coming round in my house. They ruin it. Probably typical. Those women reminded me of the Harry Enfield ladies. You know, young man. Young man. Come inside, young man. I'll show you. I mean, they were serious. Serious hearing, you know, threat of the tone, the tone. And the I mean, Seymour's come out of this article, right? That he that was published on the platform. This is he's so desperate to win the freedom vote, or at least, you know, milk votes from there. We see him. We see him. We see him. And he goes a year after the violent breakup of the anti-mandate protests. There is a long tale of division and resentment. The easy answer is to dismiss the protest, judging it by its worst members. That wouldn't that would ignore many other discontented, but peaceful New Zealanders who were there and those who supported him. But at the protest, remember that he was saying things like there's no political benefit in appealing to that group of people outside Parliament. It is a couple of hundred voters no one wants. He was more than a couple of hundred. The days I was there was the age. Well, me too. But and, you know, calling us crazies and stragglers and pro. This is this. This is the same guy who said, suggested that buses go around door to door, dragging people out and injecting them. Yeah. And he, you know, he likes to boast at the moment that he didn't vote for the COVID-19 Emergency Act. And then he goes and made all those suggestions about telling tell unvaccinated front line, M.I.Q. staff that they haven't got the jab by this Sunday. Don't come in on Monday. And then and then he makes this furious. He constantly makes this claim that I was speaking to the leaders of the protest organization, the organization. Bullshit, David, you're gaslighting us. That's why you're gaslighter of the week this week. Do we have an actual physical award that we can send through? I think we should get one. I mean, how do we go back to the job? Well, it should be a little A.G. Jar like, you know, gaslight, fart in a jar, because that's what he is. And, you know, he he never met any of the leaders. You know how I know that? Because I know who they are and they didn't meet him. No, he didn't meet with organizers. That's a lie. He met with one fruit loop, who is the sole prowailing lobbyist in New Zealand, who is quite strange. And a couple of his cronies are in backbenches and everyone else carried on working around them. There was certainly nobody there from the Freedom and Rights Coalition. There was nobody there from Voices for Freedom. No, no Laten Baker. No Laten Baker. He met with no one of any import. That thing that you read out, Olivia, that sounds like desperation to me. Desperation is a stinky phone. Because because I mean, he's really making the case that he was this great bridge between the protesters in and in Parliament. Yeah, I know he goes on and says, but the overall majority of protesters were peaceful people who were simply and justifiably hurt. But the schoolgirls couldn't get down the street. No one could get into the office building and you couldn't find a park. Yeah, that's bollocks because I wasn't saying anything that nice about us. That's bollocks. Because when I was there, the schoolgirls were wondering through the whole thing. And apparently they came for the food. I was told they came and I remember sitting with a whole bunch of marries and hippies and done done. And the girls were on their way to school wearing their masks. And the guys, they weren't being mean to them. They would say, hey, I can't see your pretty smile under your mask. And you see these girls, you know, you could see underneath, they were actually smiling at the comment and a little bit shy. But they were it was done kindly. It was done sweetly. It was done humanely, any kind of heckling that went on about masks. So it was it was a well organized protest. There was even if you dropped a piece of paper, a lollipaper or a cigarette, but somebody would say, hey, hey, could you pick that up, please? Oh, yeah, there's a bit over there. It was well organized. The only time that it turned into carnage was when the police turned up and turned on violence and nobody has said that. Nobody in the media said, well, actually, they were peaceful until the police turned up. Then the police started whacking people and then and the police started smashing their laptops, ripping out their tents. But I mean, I don't I don't know about you. But if someone's going to smash my laptop, I'm going to get very upset. Yeah, the area disappeared real quick was that the police had used those area denial weapons, you know, whether it was the LRAD or whatever they call it. Yeah, Sonic, you've never heard anything more about that. But here's the other thing. Do you remember they used them? You remember the claims that were issued constantly, you know, are the police with acid thrown in their face? Next minute, there's the video of the police sergeant spraying his own people. Spraying his own pepper spray with pepper spray, right? Then there was I know they've got pitchforks. Yeah, there's weapons. Well, they trashed that whole place, right? Where was the you know, when the police raid a gangpad and a drug house, they line up all the cash and all the drugs and all the guns and all the ammunition, they publish all these photos of these. Look what we discovered. Did you see any of that after that? Where was the pitchfork? Did that just miraculously disappear up a policeman's ass? And they blasted Chantel in the face with a fire extinguisher. Yeah, how's that? That's on camera. That's toxic. That's toxic crap. No police officer has been charged. Have you ever seen the police turn up to a gangpad? So harmed as they did to that group of protesting Kiwis? Never, you know, and they were deploying, you know, actually grenade launchers, right? They had grenade launchers, the H&K grenade launchers that they fought. Yeah, that's how you fight. They call them sponge rounds, right? Those sponge rounds. That's a euphemism. They are hard plastic. They're solid plastic. They hurt, but they're delivered out of a grenade launcher. And the grenade launcher the police own and they've got plenty of. I know because I've got an OIA that tells me how many they've got. There's a 40 millimetre grenade launcher, standard military equipment. And they were deploying those and and shooting people with these sponge round. And they really hurt those things, too. They hit them to dairy owners. Yeah. OK, so guess of it. Gaslighter of the week. Gaslighter of the week has to be David Seymour and Jenny Anderson, an honourable mention. And the next week, I'm going to look into how we can get a physical award made up. Yeah, let's just start sending them to me. I'll tell you what we could do. Probably find some awards on Aliexpress or something for a dollar because that's about all they're worth. Pam, what about on Paul's show? Lindsay did his perigo perspectives and will Ryan got visited by the police and they told him to leave Seymour alone. Honestly, well, apparently they met up in a restaurant and according to Lindsay, I mean, you know what Lindsay said, you know, that was a coincidence. Yeah, no, we'll tell me that it was a coincidence. OK, there you go. Yeah, I mean, Auckland is not a big city. It's a tiny city and there are only so many restaurants in Ponsonby and and and Epsom. But no, it was a and we wouldn't lie about that. But Seymour obviously got the cops to pay a visit. And tell him not to. And I'm sorry, he's running for office. We are allowed to go along to any public speech. No one cares, mate. No one, you know. No one cares about you, mate. Get back on track, David. Go away. Get back on track. Everyone seems to be done with democracy. But, you know, you used to be able to heckle a politician and get a better response than the police showing up at your door. You haven't you haven't earned your political creds if you haven't been to a Labour Party meeting and Eden electorate in the eighties and got yourself bashed for heckling. You know, you haven't lived and that's happened. And you learn that you learn how to heckle at meetings. And, you know, what will Ryan was doing at that meeting when he was going, you know, no one cares, no one cares. That's just childish. But he didn't seem too aggressive. No, he was not aggressive. I mean, if that's aggressive, you should. Well, he was aggressive. He was coming out with. I don't think he was aggressive at all. He was assertive and assertive and and use and he speaks beautifully. His question was well formulated. It was a question we all wanted an answer on. Actually, I think Will did a great public service and showing up to that. People, David, at that. OK, and time is a little tight. So we've got to really spool through the next ones real quick to wind it up. So Simon Wilson busted for lying about Luxon's North Shore meeting and getting fact checked. The fact checker gets fact checked. It's just a nasty little communist, isn't it? He just makes stuff up to suit his political agenda, publishes it in the Herald gets fact checked. You know, if someone actually produced a video and audio of the meeting proven to be alive, the Herald to their credit and I really struggled to say that. But they actually they actually corrected the article and put a little rider at the top of it. But, you know, Simon Wilson's political prognostications are appalling. And, you know, if he says something, if you take the opposite of that, you'll probably be right. Now, he was predicting a landslide for whoever stood against Wayne Brown, whatever his name was from South Auckland. If he's got us. Oh, that's right. You know, and and he just got cleaned out in the left wing, got cleaned out. And that's because these people have an agenda. They're not actually journalists. They're not actually reporters. They have an agenda and their agenda is to screw up conservatives. And they live by that. So it was good to see him get his comeuppance. All right. And to finish up on a Palmjit Palmer switches to act. Well, I've only got one thing to say about that. The National Party has been very, very quiet for a good reason. They're glad to see the back of a party. No, I yeah, I don't. I think we just need we need a clean out. Yeah, we need to clean out. And, you know, what we sort of alluded to before about, you know, be good, not just to be talking about what's wrong or talking about what's in the news, but talking about what would New Zealand look like ideally and because you never see those those conversations and never see them. You mean the reason that I think it's easy to sound nasty is because there are real impacts on saying an education systems world class when it's, you know, 55 percent of kids who get to it are enumerate and illiterate. You know, those kids, some of a lot of those kids have gone to jail. They haven't bad outcomes for their kids. These people who are sitting in there and pretending that, you know, it's all an accident are evil and it's the banality of evil. We, you know, we keep coming back to. Yeah, we do. All right. Well, there goes another one. You know what it is, Marty? It's lying as a way of life, you know? I mean, we know politicians lie and or get me when show me when he doesn't. Yeah. But now it's become this entrenched. Lying is a way of life and building careers around it. And it's so it's just awful to watch. You look at Jacinda Ardern, she started her political career as prime minister by saying that she's never told a lie in politics. Well, that was a lie. That was that was the first one that was double down, double down. All right. There goes another one. Longish again, but fun and I think entertaining and informative. I want to thank Kam Slater, Olivia Pearson and Marty Gibson again for being part of our panel. I'll get that award made up. I'll probably send out a few options for consultation on design and we can sort of have a, you know, some sort of consensus on that. And then we'll start sending them out to the mail to the gas to the gaslet. Because well, thank you, Paul. Again, I'll deliver them in person. I'd love that to be great. You're going to have to film that, though. Yeah, of course. We can run little snippets, gaslighter of the year. Yeah. And you can present them like, you know, an award ceremony type thing. I'll go and look at it and see if I can find an award with a cigarette lighter or something. Yeah, something something gassy. What about a noose? Oh, a nurse. The nurse or a noose? A noose. No, it's a nurse. It's like the nurse that's going to get everyone back on track. A back on track. And on that note, we'll say goodbye. Have a great weekend, everybody. And we'll talk again next Friday here at RCR. All right. RCR with Paul Brennan, Reality Check Radio.